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Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on July 1, 2017 at 12:28:45 AM

Artist: xi
Title: Glorious Crown
Source: maimai PiNK
Tags: freedom dive rsi haruto logic agent hobbes2 atsuro snownino_ haruto_aizawa
BPM: 225.5
Filesize: 6108kb
Play Time: 01:57
Difficulties Available:
  1. Atsuro's Extra (5.75 stars, 645 notes)
  2. Easy (1.83 stars, 166 notes)
  3. FOUR DIMENSIONS (7.66 stars, 1157 notes)
  4. Haruto's Normal (2.32 stars, 178 notes)
  5. Hobbes2's Insane (4.69 stars, 444 notes)
  6. Logic's Hard (3.46 stars, 317 notes)
  7. NiNo's Extra (6.91 stars, 1004 notes)
Download: xi - Glorious Crown
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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New mp3 January 21.

Hitsounds: Kalibe
Easy: Monstrata
Normal: Haruto
Hard: Logic Agent
Insane: Hobbes2
Extra (5.5 star): Atsuro
Extra2 (6.5 star): SnowNino_
FOUR DIMENSIONS: Monstrata
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Venix
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Venix
first
Chalwa
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Chalwa
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SnowNiNo_
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
2,106 posts
Joined April 2013
SnowNiNo_
fk lemme do the extra thx
_Meep_
1,707 posts
Joined April 2014
_Meep_
can I do a hard/hyper? ;o have an almost re-qualified hard gd

edit: cant cuz it went to 3.7 alr >_>
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Mun
468 posts
Joined July 2015
Mun
oh wow you finally decided to upload your first map! #sobrave
Wh1teh
237 posts
Joined May 2013
Wh1teh
Why are all the trills on ring fingers man. You shouldn't start out with the hardest diff if you aren't familiar with the game...
Anyway, if you're interested in a 4K gd I have one http://osump.net/mapsets/578d5f85536740 ... 5979c2be89
But please dude reconsider the way you approach mania, there's no way you'll make a good 7* diff without any experience.

Also feels like you approach mania mapping the same way as std works. You shouldn't leave out notes arbitrarily, like here 00:17:972 - . If there's a logic behind it, then it might be fine, but I don't see many of these sections follow any sensible layering pattern.
Venix
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Venix
I think I can make 6,5* :3
yetii
175 posts
Joined August 2015
yetii
boop
just some iirc stufs
01:05 Monstrata: sure xD
01:05 Yetified: thats actually pretty easy
01:05 Monstrata: oh huh
01:06 Yetified: those are jumptrills
01:06 Monstrata: then idk why the map went from 7 stars to 8.95 tbh lol
01:06 Yetified: yea thats what i said before xD
01:06 Yetified: pp pattern
01:06 Monstrata: those jump trills looked nice so i did them. xD
01:06 Monstrata: ah
01:06 Monstrata: lol
01:07 Yetified: but it doesnt really fit the beat tbh
01:09 Yetified: the first one atleast
01:09 Monstrata: ah
01:09 Monstrata: okay i can understand the first one tbh
01:10 Monstrata: 01:47:972 (107972|1,107972|0,107972|2) - is the same as the ones on the right
01:10 Monstrata: so the drums that land on white/red ticks don't get any special emphasis
01:10 Monstrata: in comparison to blue tick
01:10 Monstrata: i was thinking of doing ladders or something for the left hand
01:10 Monstrata: for 01:47:906 -
01:10 Monstrata: that measure
01:11 Yetified: yea
01:11 Monstrata: so theres some difference in playing between left/right, with the chords emphasizing the drums
01:11 Monstrata: would that work?
01:12 Yetified: it might work if done properly
01:12 Yetified: u could also do a chordstreasm maybe but that doesnt really fit too well into the rest of the song
01:12 Yetified: chordstream*
01:12 Monstrata: hmm
01:13 Monstrata: yea ive been spamming ladders and stuff tbh lol maybe i shojld try other patterns too haha
01:15 Yetified: u could do somthing like the ending of this map
01:15 *Yetified is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/948777 xi - Ascension to Heaven [Elysium]]
01:15 Yetified: it sounds really similair
01:16 Yetified: u can take a llok on how he patterns streams aswell
01:16 Monstrata: hmm ill check it out
01:16 Yetified: i think the way he maps is basicly what you try to do but perfected already
01:18 Monstrata: ic ic xD yea ill ask jinjin later when i see him around haha
01:18 Yetified: yea he's the king of 7k mapping :P
01:19 Yetified: ill stick to getting more obvious stuff out of the way ^^
01:19 Yetified: like this jack 01:10:301 (70301|4,70301|2,70301|0,70389|3,70389|6,70389|0) -
01:20 Yetified: wot
01:20 Yetified: how did it copy that again
01:20 Yetified: 00:57:019 (57019|1) - THIS
01:21 Yetified: 01:43:316 (103316|6,103383|6) - whew
01:23 Monstrata: ah
01:23 Monstrata: lol
01:23 Monstrata: deleted
01:24 Yetified: also 01:43:316 (103316|6,103383|6) - here you here like two drup beats but they are not emphasized at all
01:24 Yetified: drum*
01:24 Yetified: might be tricky to fit them in tho
01:25 Yetified: because
01:25 Yetified: 01:43:316 (103316|6,103383|6) -
01:25 Yetified: here 00:24:358 (24358|0,24757|4,24757|5,24757|2,24890|0,24890|4,24890|6) -
01:25 Yetified: fuck my copy paaste is so shit
01:25 Yetified: attempt 2:
01:26 Yetified: 00:22:629 (22629|6,22695|1,22695|5,22762|0,22762|4) - here you didnt put any emphasis on the drums to keep the stair going
01:26 Monstrata: yea
01:26 Yetified: 00:24:358 (24358|0,24757|2,24757|4,24757|5,24890|4,24890|6,24890|0) - but here you did
01:26 Monstrata: ah ic
01:26 Yetified: i guess thats kinda for transition reasoning
01:27 Yetified: but those thing are better to be the same
01:27 Monstrata: yeai see wha tyou mea
01:27 Monstrata: added a chord there
01:28 Yetified: also before 00:20:101 (20101|0,20633|2,20633|6,20633|1) - you hear like a bursty sound, but no notes
01:29 Yetified: not sure what the best way is to map it, but there should be somthingthere im pretty sure
01:30 Yetified: 00:29:680 (29680|3,29746|1,29813|0,29813|4,29879|1,29879|5,29946|6,29946|2,30012|5,30012|0,30079|4,30079|1,30145|2,30145|5,30212|1,30212|0,30212|4,30212|6) - i dont really understand why you did this :s
01:33 Yetified: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7078485 somthing like this might sound better but patterns are just an example]
01:34 Monstrata: yea idk
01:34 Monstrata: i think that parts unnecessarily dense tbh
01:34 Monstrata: xD
01:34 Yetified: yea those stairs dont really have a reason to be there
01:36 Monstrata: oh
01:36 Monstrata: i like those 1/8
01:36 Yetified: u can use em quite a bit troughout this map
01:36 Yetified: plenty of 'burst' sounds
01:37 Yetified: but dont overdo it xD
01:37 Monstrata: hmm
01:37 Monstrata: but i should use them as stairs right?
01:37 Yetified: yea
01:37 Monstrata: okay xD
01:37 Yetified: unless u want to break some fingers
01:38 Yetified: well there might be other ways to do em but i don't really know specifically
01:38 Yetified: mr jinjin might
01:38 Monstrata: ye
01:38 Monstrata: xD
01:41 Yetified: btw
01:41 Yetified: about the brackets stuff
01:41 Yetified: i think its okay to have [13] first and 2 after
01:41 Yetified: but avoid
01:41 Yetified: 2 first and [13] second
01:41 Yetified: thats really nasty stuff
01:44 Monstrata: ah
01:44 Monstrata: ok ok
01:44 Monstrata: ty for the help btw :D
01:44 Monstrata: uh post this log in thread for kds if you want lol
01:44 Monstrata: i gotta run and do something now, but thx agin xD
01:45 Yetified: um sure :), no prob btw, i had an exam today and thisputs my mind at ease kinda xD
01:45 Yetified: so im glad to be of some help
dionzz99
677 posts
Joined April 2013
dionzz99
rip i was gonna ask for applying my already made 4k mania diff for this song (which is 5,76 star)
and rip i don't have any ranked beatmaps....
rip.
Atsuro
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Joined January 2013
Atsuro
Can i make an extra?
Monstrata
Elite Mapper: Aspirant
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Monstrata
@Atsuro - you fine with 5.5 star? i'll get nino to do 6.5 star extra

@ people complaining about mania, this is a wip lol
Logic Agent
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Joined April 2015
Logic Agent
y'know he definitely said it's a work in progress. how about instead of being so aggressive toward someone with inexperience, you take the time to explain your thoughts in a neutral way. just because he's a good mapper in standard doesn't mean he has nothing to learn or should immediately be a great mania mapper.

if anything you should be glad that someone like Monstrata is trying to branch out into something new, but instead you want to attack him because he's dipped his toes into something unfamiliar. it's not even remotely closed to being ready for rank yet (the spread, that is) so calm down.

or whatever
cyprianz5
249 posts
Joined February 2013
cyprianz5
i think in mania its better to put some single "long" sliders on less intensive part instead of making break there
Halogen-
Former osu!mania 4K Champion: 2015
574 posts
Joined September 2009
Halogen-

rozenryza wrote:

@Logic Agent, my point is this isn't like standard where a two start player can push out great beatmaps. 7k charting always requires years of experience playing. ALWAYS. monstrata will not be an exception, if he wants this ranked it'll turn into another fucked up collab ranked because of who he is and how inexperienced the osu community is with 7k charting.

this isn't hostility, it's trying to tell Monstrata he can't meme his way up the mania ranks unless he takes two years off osu to play o2jam or bms and learns how a chart should play. every revision this chart has feels like nothing more than a thin coat of paint on an already ruined wall.

edit: his "see you in the ranks" attitude makes me angry, too. he knows this will be ranked, and i do too. maniera got ranked, i'm pretty sure this will too. i am not lying when i say this is the worst map i have ever played. get ready to hear MJ and jakads sigh as they log into Ripple because crap like this gets ranked while great stuff goes unnoticed?

Ripple is popular among mania users because efforts are put into dumps like this while completed mapsets sit in queue till they rot in the graveyard or the creator abandons the game after two years of waiting.
i'd just like to come in here and say that i've been playing VSRGs for a very long time, and i know that my 7K experience is lacking for certain, but i also know that there are a lot of players that can legitimately come in and serve as consultants/mediums of assistance if i were to make a difficult 7k chart. saying that you need to "take two years off" to play the game is absolutely fucking ridiculous. you should be ashamed of making a comment that closed-minded.

with that being said: Monstrata - I do hope that you take the time to consult higher-end 7K players and listen to their opinions (and justifications for why things should be done a certain way). as someone who is drifting into making content in other modes as well, I definitely understand the desire to want to get a feel for something different. We ran into each other when you were piecing this map together, and exchanged a few words/terminologies - i feel like with some guidance, you could legitimately get somewhere with this. I'll also say: don't automatically assume you'll get to rank with the current state of your map as well: "see you in the ranked section" could certainly come across as pompous.

I do hope you have fun in this process of trying to make a mania map, though.
Wh1teh
237 posts
Joined May 2013
Wh1teh
Just want to say that even with help it was a questionable idea to start off at 7-9*. It's really easy to go from challenging to awkward to bullshit in mania.
Think about it this way: you have no experience in mania charting, you create a diff that will most likely have to be recharted. Because you don't have any experience in mania charting how can you judge mods? or guest diffs? Like honestly, if you started at 4* you would have way better chances at understanding what's actually going on.

Also this

Monstrata wrote:

Open for GD's while supplies last. Please have at least 3 ranked maps if you want to map something 4 stars+
seems super hypocritical. You have 0 ranked mania maps.

On top of that you're greatly limiting the amount of good and diverse GDs. Because as it turns out, there aren't that many ranked maps compared to std, mania is still quite new and the ranking criteria are really strict.
Good amount of charters come from different games where stuff like hitsounds or full spread of diffs don't really matter, so they just never bother going for ranked. This doesn't mean that their charts are bad or that they don't have experience.
Like, what you're basically saying is that even people like Blocko or Evening couldn't submit a GD because they only have 1 ranked mapset. That is just ridiculous.
Monstrata
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Monstrata
Yea, if you can't play this diff you're just too weak.

No actually though, stop looking at this difficulty like its a final product. I'm not looking for mods. This is a diff to practice and figure out how standard conventions translate to mania.

If you actually want to be helpful, tell me what's good about this diff so I have a better baseline for what concepts to keep.

See you in the ranked section, nonetheless :D.
Wh1teh
237 posts
Joined May 2013
Wh1teh
mind addressing my comment on this?

Monstrata wrote:

Open for GD's while supplies last. Please have at least 3 ranked maps if you want to map something 4 stars+
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Monstrata
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Monstrata
Fixed~
Izzywing
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Izzywing
aw fuck i only have 4 ranked maps and 3 GDS ))::
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