1. SPEKTRE (7.06 stars, 1784 notes)

1. 00:15:850 (2) - why not like 00:18:032 (2,3) - would make sense to have it that way from the beginning instead of just starting in the middle of it
2. 00:27:168 (1,2) - bit of a general note for the part, you often just skip these 1/4 while mapping the majority of them, so it might be odd to just not be playing them whenever. i'd advise mapping all the occasions
3. 01:07:123 (1,1) - how about making those a tick longer and leaving a little gap to the next object. because 01:07:395 (2,2) - don't have a drum on them like 01:06:850 (3,2,2) - all do. would be nice to differentiate like that.makes for a more interesting rhythm too
4. 01:14:895 (2) - lower spacing to 1 and keep it the same as is to 3 for better contrast. otherwise everything seems mushed together without emphasis on anything (here it works kinda 01:16:259 (4) - )
5. 01:24:032 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the spiral could really look better, especially the first half of it
6. 01:28:667 (1,2) - this one is so much heavier than it's preceeding two counterparts, but it's mapped the same way. might want to do something fancier. one way to do the section would be with a rhythm like http://puu.sh/vSNDD/f29740337e.jpg . also the reverse you have there atm is utterly pointless since it has no realy follow up or concept to it. or at least i don't see it. along with that rhythm some spacing and flow choices may also vary, up to you. similar things also apply to the second part of the section
7. 02:03:985 (1) - a lot of these start early. i think you might need 1/12 snap to get these down properly
8. 02:19:667 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i see how you use a messy style for most of the map, probably due to the song's nature. but i think going orderly in this part might be a nice contrast and befitting of the accurately hitting goth instrument in it
9. 04:09:573 (1) - make this two circles to emphasise the drum kicks as you use to for the rest of the part and maybe do womthing like http://puu.sh/vSOy7/1e65fc80dd.jpg on 04:09:846 (2) - for the same reason (in 04:11:210 (1) - this pattern too). imo that makes for a more interesting rhythm and doesn't just blend over the different kinds of sounds as much because now eveything just kinda plays the same in those patterns
10. 04:12:437 (2,1) - would suggest making two longer and just adding a note after it like http://puu.sh/vSOFZ/715b9be6ab.jpg . reason being emphasis of drums and the held sound as well as differentiation of 04:12:573 (1) - from 04:12:710 (2,3,4) -
11. 04:19:528 (1) - make it a single, on the other 1/4 sliders here you actually have distinct 1/4 sounds, so making this the same is not representative
12. 04:27:300 (5,9,5) - these are drum kicks rather than the sounds that make up the rest of the streams, those even take a break on the kicks. so instead of just slapping one stream over it, i'd recommend doing something with either sliders or varying spacing for them. small split streams can work for example. http://puu.sh/vSOZk/924e6a1d59.jpg would be one way with the white ones maybe having a slower sv or coming from a different direction and havinga red anchor

Deramok wrote:

m4m as requested. i assume the old kiai thing is just there for preservation.

1. 00:15:850 (2) - why not like 00:18:032 (2,3) - would make sense to have it that way from the beginning instead of just starting in the middle of it
   reason for 00:15:305 (1,2,3,4) is to establish the point of the repeats (i.e. the repeating 4 notes in the background). Afterwards, the repeats no longer follow the repeated notes exactly but the heartbeat instead.
2. 00:27:168 (1,2) - bit of a general note for the part, you often just skip these 1/4 while mapping the majority of them, so it might be odd to just not be playing them whenever. i'd advise mapping all the occasions
   specifically, i skip the 1/4 only before big beats and sliders, because I feel that playing the 1/4 there takes away from the emphasis of these fast sliders and big beats.
3. 01:07:123 (1,1) - how about making those a tick longer and leaving a little gap to the next object. because 01:07:395 (2,2) - don't have a drum on them like 01:06:850 (3,2,2) - all do. would be nice to differentiate like that.makes for a more interesting rhythm too
   your suggestion is good for differentiation, but I dont want it to be different because I want to follow the screechy noise, which almost requires clicks on 01:07:395 (2,2) -
4. 01:14:895 (2) - lower spacing to 1 and keep it the same as is to 3 for better contrast. otherwise everything seems mushed together without emphasis on anything (here it works kinda 01:16:259 (4) - )
   simply due to the rhythm difference (the kick sliders), the emphasis is different. i will tweak spacing around a bit anyway.
5. 01:24:032 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - the spiral could really look better, especially the first half of it
   i like the way it looks but i'll ask others
6. 01:28:667 (1,2) - this one is so much heavier than it's preceeding two counterparts, but it's mapped the same way. might want to do something fancier. one way to do the section would be with a rhythm like http://puu.sh/vSNDD/f29740337e.jpg . also the reverse you have there atm is utterly pointless since it has no realy follow up or concept to it. or at least i don't see it. along with that rhythm some spacing and flow choices may also vary, up to you. similar things also apply to the second part of the section
   it would make it more interesting, but I want to set the groove for the rest of the section with the same rhythm. besides, the thing i'm following is pretty same and level throughout this little bit.
7. 02:03:985 (1) - a lot of these start early. i think you might need 1/12 snap to get these down properly
   i will ask others too and then judge
8. 02:19:667 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i see how you use a messy style for most of the map, probably due to the song's nature. but i think going orderly in this part might be a nice contrast and befitting of the accurately hitting goth instrument in it
   this looks dirty in editor but plays very straightforward in game. i think its good as is
9. 04:09:573 (1) - make this two circles to emphasise the drum kicks as you use to for the rest of the part and maybe do womthing like http://puu.sh/vSOy7/1e65fc80dd.jpg on 04:09:846 (2) - for the same reason (in 04:11:210 (1) - this pattern too). imo that makes for a more interesting rhythm and doesn't just blend over the different kinds of sounds as much because now eveything just kinda plays the same in those patterns
   to some degree, i want it to. this is supposed to parallel 01:06:304 (1) - in the previous part, but be slightly different due to the new percussive rhythm. So clicking the tail might be better to express solely the drums, but slider better captures what I want out of this section.
10. 04:12:437 (2,1) - would suggest making two longer and just adding a note after it like http://puu.sh/vSOFZ/715b9be6ab.jpg . reason being emphasis of drums and the held sound as well as differentiation of 04:12:573 (1) - from 04:12:710 (2,3,4) -
    i like this; i will try to implement this.
11. 04:19:528 (1) - make it a single, on the other 1/4 sliders here you actually have distinct 1/4 sounds, so making this the same is not representative this isnt supposed to be like the other 1/4 sliders. instead, its supposed to feel like a 1/2 slider like the other 1/2 slider sounds, except cut short by the next section.
12. 04:27:300 (5,9,5) - these are drum kicks rather than the sounds that make up the rest of the streams, those even take a break on the kicks. so instead of just slapping one stream over it, i'd recommend doing something with either sliders or varying spacing for them. small split streams can work for example. http://puu.sh/vSOZk/924e6a1d59.jpg would be one way with the white ones maybe having a slower sv or coming from a different direction and havinga red anchor
    for the sake of drawing a parallel to the last time this was done, I'll keep this as is.

bit short, but i don't really know much on modding maps like this. i tred.

CucumberCuc wrote:

Hi
M4M

[SPEKTRE]
00:30:986 (3) move down give me a reason to move and i might consider. right now i think its fine as is cause distance between 00:30:850 (2,3) - is pretty consistent for similar parts across this section
00:38:077 (1,2,3) do far far from each other like make it spaced triple? or do you mean increase 00:37:668 (1,1) - this jump? either way,
i think both are consistent with what i have currently so i will keep.
01:17:623 (4,1,2) try make triangle? its a good suggestion but incredibly difficult to implement without moving a lot of stuff and remapping.
and right now, altho square doesnt look very good, i think it plays as i want to (sort of uncomfortably)
01:20:486 (4) move down again, give me a reason why. i think this is good here because moving it down would break the string between 01:19:941 (2,3,4) -
01:23:077 (2) - 01:23:759 (3) overlap pushed them slightly away to not overlap
01:44:758 maybe remove slider and do stream? from a playing perspecitve i dont want to immediately want to go from 01:44:213 (1,2,3,4) - jumps to spaced 1/3 stream (it will be pretty hard to read and hit), so i make this slider as a "buffer" or break.
01:48:576 (1,1) do far i want to make this grow smaller, so the close distance is on purpose
maybe contunie map to 05:22:935? i do not map the rest because from a playing perspective, there is no point playing this slow part after the fast, fun part. i will elaborate on why i think it is not worth mapping if you want.

That's all I could find in the best of its knowledge

cool map and music ^o^

qwr wrote:

misc complaints and carping

00:43:668 (1) - this part is too tiring for my poor fingers (it's not even the most intense part)
i want ur fingers to feel raw just like a snare after this section xd
01:07:532 (3,1) - slightly bothers me for no reason but S Y M M E T R Y tho
01:30:485 (3,1) - random jump?
my intnetion was to make every grouping of 3 distinct for parts like these, and this was my method of accomplishing it. i might just make this connected tho, let me think about it
01:32:122 (3,1) - I think should be closer this jump is gud imo
01:38:940 (3,1) - not as bad as the last jump but still annoys me same as before, i'll consider
01:53:940 (3,1) - too much direction change I think based on testplays ive witnessed, it seems fine (and its a big emphasis too)
02:01:599 (4,1) - but why cause fuk ur combo :^)
Also the whole ghosty section is mapped with groupings of 4 and idk if that's actually the harpsichord melody (hard to hear) this part seems to play by groups of 2, which i did, and to a lesser degree groups of 4
03:12:302 (1,2) - mmm I love me some symmetry glad u lik
04:01:939 (1) - why sharp angle change for the extra umph
05:11:480 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I think it's too hard but maybe not this has the same distance as the previous sliderjump distances, and even if you think every is too intense, maybe it is. but i think this is the best way to represent this section, which for some reason is mono-intensity (not increasing in intensity) yet somehow needs to be very intense

It may seem like my criticism is random and it kinda is so take it with a grain of salt that I can't even play this bpm

1. I think your timing offset may be 5-10 ms too late. It's noticeable in the following sections: 01:31:667 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 01:36:031 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 01:40:394 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - , especially when you listen on 25%.
2. 00:25:668 (1) - you could move this note to snap with 00:24:578 (2) -
3. The note density of the first 2 intense sections (starting 01:01:123 - and 01:27:304 - ) is skewed towards the left side of the screen. That is, there seems to be way more going on on the left half.
4. For the section starting 01:05:486 - and ending 01:18:032 - , I would recommend lowering the volume on all slidertails that aren't mapped to anything in the BGM,
   (which is all the kicksliders as well as some of the longer ones too), or switching to a softer custom sampleset. It's labour intensive but it typically demonstrates higher map quality
5. There are a few stacked timing points (red and green at the same time) which have different volumes. I don't know if you can get disqualified for that but honestly I would just fix it so that some random BN doesn't try to pull some shit. Here's a list: 01:27:304 - 02:02:213 - 02:19:667 - 02:35:485 - 04:03:301 - 04:48:028 - 04:48:300 - 04:50:209 - Just bring the red line to the same volume as the green line, nothing actually changes
6. In general I'd say you need some more hitsounds, as I didn't really notice any while playing. Maybe a custom snare and a kick as they are quite common for dubstep type maps. Maybe not in the section with all the triplets but for sure in other intense sections
7. You could snap 01:56:895 (3) - with 01:57:849 (1) - (and shift the whole pentagon pattern 01:57:849 (1,2,3,1,2) - )
8. 02:23:212 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - You could create a triangular pattern here so that each arm is rotated by 120 (basically just move 02:23:894 (4) - down a little)
9. If 02:41:211 (2) - was snapped with 02:39:848 (3) - you could create a cool "going back on previous notes" effect
10. 03:38:484 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Not really sure why the last three notes here don't follow the same curve as the previous notes
11. 04:03:301 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I think a triplet pattern here would be more intuitive since the player hears the triples in the music start near the end of 04:02:211 (1) - this long slider. Putting a 1/4ths might be a bit confusing
12. 04:04:391 (1,1,1) - I recommend quietening these slidertails since the music isn't that loud here
13. 04:31:391 (1,1) - restack these 2 sliders, they are off by a bit
14. 04:34:937 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think this bit would look better if manually stacked into a curve
15. 04:51:503 (2,3) - Restack these 2
16. 05:13:117 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Same thing with the triplet pattern here as with 04:03:301 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -
17. It feels like you have a bit too much kiai. It seems that excluding a few breaks the entire back half is kiai'd. I feel that 04:03:301 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -this stream in particular doesn't deserve a kiai, and apart from this section starting at 04:39:301 - which is clearly the climax, maybe choose one other section to accentuate. Especially since you use 5 very dark combo colors and one really light one, the overuse of kiai can be a bit blinding
18. 05:14:207 (2) - NC here?
    

30201102 wrote:

[Spektre]

1. I think your timing offset may be 5-10 ms too late. It's noticeable in the following sections: 01:31:667 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 01:36:031 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - 01:40:394 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - , especially when you listen on 25%.
   i disagree that timing is off, but i definitely agree that my current rhythm is off, particularly at 01:36:122 (2,3,1,2,3) - and 01:40:485 (2,3,1,2,3) - but i want to keep this constant triplets because the "correct" rhythm involves shifting both of these forward 1/12 of a beat, and thats just stupid to play rhythmically imo...
2. 00:25:668 (1) - you couldmove this note to snap with 00:24:578 (2) - done
3. The note density of the first 2 intense sections (starting 01:01:123 - and 01:27:304 - ) is skewed towards the left side of the screen. That is, there seems to be way more going on on the left half. oh looking back its definitely skewed left, but imo its not too big of a deal as there is still some spacing and movement diversity (and im also too lazy to remap... oops)
4. For the section starting 01:05:486 - and ending 01:18:032 - , I would recommend lowering the volume on all slidertails that aren't mapped to anything in the BGM,
   (which is all the kicksliders as well as some of the longer ones too), or switching to a softer custom sampleset. It's labour intensive but it typically demonstrates higher map quality this is something i'll keep in mind either when i find someone to hitsound or i actually suck it up and do em all
5. There are a few stacked timing points (red and green at the same time) which have different volumes. I don't know if you can get disqualified for that but honestly I would just fix it so that some random BN doesn't try to pull some shit. Here's a list: 01:27:304 - 02:02:213 - 02:19:667 - 02:35:485 - 04:03:301 - 04:48:028 - 04:48:300 - 04:50:209 - Just bring the red line to the same volume as the green line, nothing actually changes i'll keep this one im mind too, thx!
6. In general I'd say you need some more hitsounds, as I didn't really notice any while playing. Maybe a custom snare and a kick as they are quite common for dubstep type maps. Maybe not in the section with all the triplets but for sure in other intense sections HAHAHA... oops
7. You could snap 01:56:895 (3) - with 01:57:849 (1) - (and shift the whole pentagon pattern 01:57:849 (1,2,3,1,2) - ) this is something i chose not to snap simply because i wanted 01:57:849 (1) - to feel like it was sorta inbetween 01:57:440 (3,3) , which isnt captured by stacking.
8. 02:23:212 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - You could create a triangular pattern here so that each arm is rotated by 120 (basically just move 02:23:894 (4) - down a little)i see the triangle, and yeah i admit its more aesthetic, but i want to keep 02:23:348 (4,3,4) - align and perpendicular with 02:23:485 (1,2)
   just so it still keeps some aesthetics while still not being toooo far from 02:24:030 (1)
9. If 02:41:211 (2) - was snapped with 02:39:848 (3) - you could create a cool "going back on previous notes" effect i feel like stacking it wont have as much "movement", which i wanted to capture by this small burst section
10. 03:38:484 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Not really sure why the last three notes here don't follow the same curve as the previous notes this is what i get for eyeballing... i tried to fix a bit, but honestly while playing it shouldnt be too big even if off by this much. still touched it up.
11. 04:03:301 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - I think a triplet pattern here would be more intuitive since the player hears the triples in the music start near the end of 04:02:211 (1) - this long slider. Putting a 1/4ths might be a bit confusing triplets are easy to play, but it doesnt fit the music here. i will definitely mute that slider tail to make sure it doesnt disturb as much as it does currently tho
12. 04:04:391 (1,1,1) - I recommend quietening these slidertails since the music isn't that loud here will keep this in mind
13. 04:31:391 (1,1) - restack these 2 sliders, they are off by a bit fixed
14. 04:34:937 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think this bit would look better if manually stacked into a curve you're right. it will also fix it for any HR players too
15. 04:51:503 (2,3) - Restack these 2 fixed
16. 05:13:117 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - Same thing with the triplet pattern here as with 04:03:301 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - i would if i could, but the rhythm doesnt permit. i will muffle 05:12:026 (1) - tail tho
17. It feels like you have a bit too much kiai. It seems that excluding a few breaks the entire back half is kiai'd. I feel that 04:03:301 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -this stream in particular doesn't deserve a kiai, and apart from this section starting at 04:39:301 - which is clearly the climax, maybe choose one other section to accentuate. Especially since you use 5 very dark combo colors and one really light one, the overuse of kiai can be a bit blinding
18. 05:14:207 (2) - NC here? ok
    

Both our maps are 7.07 stars lol 7.07 is .7 away from jackpot :'(

Kocari wrote:

Hello from modding queue



[SPEKTRE]

Could probably use 0D9 I don't see the harm in it. Especially since it's already pushed to 9 stars can do
00:25:123 (1,2) - Really does seem that you pushed SV beyond. It just doesn't seem like its proper with the music itself. Yes it does work as a whole but the SV being outlandishly high doesn't make for a clean spectacle this one is already a little nerfed (1.75 as opposed to the typical 2.0) but i'll consider nerfing it a bit more just as the first of this kind. considering 1.5 SV...
00:26:213 (1) - Probably could use a finish on sliderstart i will deal with hitsounding later... orz
00:28:123 (1,2) - Your 1/4s here is breaking the rhythm because I don't think it's necessary just to throw 1/4 in a map to help make difficulty feel like its hard.
Could've mapped it 2 different ways. To have a 4 note stream with low hitnormals so it'll blend with the music or to use this rhythm instead of the 1/4. Plus it wouldn't make sense to have these 1/4s here and then the rest of the section has regular sliders i threw this in so that 00:41:213 (1,2)
wouldnt be the first time i use kicksliders for this purpose. altho i could change both to streams, i like how the latter feels.
00:41:213 (1,2) - Same as ^ the reason this particular one is kicksliders is because i feel like it feels better to play into the rhythm that is 00:41:486 (1,2,3,1) (citations needed)
00:43:395 (1,2) - Nice this is how 1/4 should feel like to me, this sounds like the previous part, altho certainly the circumstances change that make this LOTS better as kicksliders (particularly 00:43:668 (1,2,3,4,5) up next)
00:59:486 (1) - Was this intentional? It ends on a different snap than a blue one and it doesn't align with what the others have unintentional, must have snapped to a 1/3 tick some time during mapping. fixed
01:44:758 (1) - Quite a regular slider for something with such intricate sounds while this one is crazy shaped but straight forward sounds 01:45:304 (1) -
in my mind, 01:44:758 (1) represents the one "break" the player has between these two intense-ish sections and also is pretty straightforward (im ignoring the triplets, again for transition).
meanwhile, altho 01:45:304 (1) has straightforward sound, i want it to play like what it sounds: a burst (and this was my representation of it)
04:38:482 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Intensity quite too high or jumps for what seems like low sounds in the music i will get feedback on it, but my take on it is that it isnt too intense due to easy readability (just up and down) despite relatively large distance. i will ask around.

I mean there really isn't enough to say. Some people may play it poorly because of what it is some may say its badly mapped and thus playing feels strange. I mean there isn't MAJOR MAJOR PROBLEMS It's just simple it its own way and that's the best I can tell you.

Kocari wrote:

00:26:213 (1) - Probably could use a finish on sliderstart