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[New Rule/Guideline] Tags should be used correctly

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Stefan
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Stefan
There are some recent beatmaps such as https://osu.ppy.sh/s/298996 and https://osu.ppy.sh/s/291155 (recently qualified but back in Pending) which got tags they're not really appropriate at all since Tags are used to find beatmaps to a song and/or artist. And not to work as a filter to determine training beatmaps, deathstream maps or beatmaps which can cause physical injury. The rule/guideline should describe that random tag should not be used and be removed, else it allows to put any random stuff into.

Beside of this point I want wish to include in the rule to not have typos in the tags, a known case is https://osu.ppy.sh/b/417144. The tag "kirisame" got mistyped by "kiraseme" and it got ignored while the ranking process, it got fixed by online tags but it still doesn't appear at in-game if I would search for "kirisame" but for "kiraseme". It's a really rare case but it's not written as guideline (perferably) so it should be mentioned beside of the first point.

Tags may not have typos and needs to be related to the music, either artist or song. This prevents confusion while searching for beatmaps for a specific tag. Exceptions are the usernames of Guest Mapper and/or Storyboarder and the previous username.
Bara-
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Bara-
I agree with this
Mao
Elite Mapper II
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Mao
Already discussed this with Stefan, agreeing!
Seijiro
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Seijiro
I thought mappers knew how to use them, but seeing those examples is a bit allarming: I wonder what will they put in the future if they're left like this.
Also, I'd like to point out how many people started inserting anime characters name where there is an anime ed/op. imo it's retarded: I saw a beatmap where all the 9 main characters' names where in there... Just why
I fully support this.
Raiden
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Raiden
While this should be common sense, I see no problem on this being a guideline.
Deimos
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Deimos
why would a guideline instead of a rule make more sense?

it would mean that it can be ignored when there is a valid reason, but are there any valid reasons?

A rule would fit much better for it.
Endaris
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Endaris
Maybe put the typo-thing into the overall metadata-rule.
And write a message to Mazzerin and Fort as this seems to mainly reoccur in their mapsets? hi apparition, #deathstream
Seijiro
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Seijiro
Oh, right, I forgot to say it.

Deimos wrote:

A rule would fit much better for it.
That's it.

As for the typos, seriously, it should be a general rule for everything, not just beatmap related or something. Do we really have to go that far and make a rule "to avoid typos"?

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Sieg
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Sieg
While "rsi" naming itself is an arguable choice, its a good idea to make solid tag for a really top tier hard maps.
Is there any good reasons (aside from "not really appropriate") why beatmap difficulty, nature, techniques etc. related tags should be avoided? They also help to navigate among huge database -> which is their main and only purpose.
Stefan
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Stefan

Sieg wrote:

While "rsi" naming itself is an arguable choice, its a good idea to make solid tag for a really top tier hard maps.
Is there any good reasons (aside from "not really appropriate") why beatmap difficulty, nature, techniques etc. related tags should be avoided? They also help to navigate among huge database -> which is their main and only purpose.
Instead, we could request a fix when you sort the beatmaps by difficulty since it doesn't work for a longer time.
Karuta-_old_1
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Karuta-_old_1
Also could mappers please put tv size in their tags, it is kind of disappointing to see that it is a tv size after you download it
Sonnyc
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Sonnyc
Agree with the typo stuff. It shouldn't be made and is too obvious that such mistakes shouldn't happen. T.T

Anyways personally I'd like to extend the range as
Tags must not have typos and need to be related to the mapset. This prevents confusion while searching for beatmaps for a specific tag.
It will not make adding GD mappers or old username whatsoever as an exception at first. Also so-called arbitrary/random tags caused no problem to people at all. Making a narrow restriction will only cause trouble for mappers that never existed before, and I don't think such trouble worths its value. Tags are something "optional" at the first place, so only small and commonsensed rule would rather function properly considering it's original character.

Instead of encouraging mappers to "use" more appropriate or correct tags, why trying to "restrict" some random tags that damage no one?
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Luvdic
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Luvdic
I disagree, the search engine shouldn´t be focused on finding songs, but rather beatmaps, so any keyword that might help players finding them is useful, even if the keywords are "deathstream" "training beatmap" "jump madness" "etc", since they are descriptions that could help you find the kind of beatmap that you want to play. Just remember that not everyone plays the maps for the songs, but rather because of the map itself.

Only abuse I see with tags is how some mappers fill the tags with words that does not help at all in finding the beatmap (as in filling tags with all main characters of an anime, who uses this to search beatmaps anyways?) And even then, it harms no one
Stefan
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Stefan

Sonnyc wrote:

Anyways personally I'd like to extend the range as
Tags must not have typos and need to be related to the mapset. This prevents confusion while searching for beatmaps for a specific tag.
That would mean it still allows to use let's say "jump map" as Tag since the mapset contains a difficulty with very strong jumps. And that's not the intention in a music game.

Xanandra wrote:

Just remember that not everyone plays the maps for the songs, but rather because of the map itself.
Some are doing it wrong.
Sieg
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Sieg
as I see this:
Tags are supposed to give information about a whole beatmap not only about a song. Since this is not a musical player but the rhythm game your intensions maybe in searching for a particular gameplay. I don't see why beatmap specific tags should be disallowed. Why people can't categorize content by gameplay?
Lust
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Lust
t/288347

My opinion remains unchanged
Deimos
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Deimos
Metadata must be consistent across all difficulties. This is to ensure that searching is consistent and clean across a mapset.

using terms to describe a difficulty like "deathstream, jump", w/e may work for marathon maps with only one diffculty, but that won't work for mapsets with multiple difficulties

not all diffs in a mapset have deathstreams, not all diffs in a mapset have jumps, especially Easy and Normal
Luvdic
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Luvdic

Deimos wrote:

Metadata must be consistent across all difficulties. This is to ensure that searching is consistent and clean across a mapset.

using terms to describe a difficulty like "deathstream, jump", w/e may work for marathon maps with only one diffculty, but that won't work for mapsets with multiple difficulties

not all diffs in a mapset have deathstreams, not all diffs in a mapset have jumps, especially Easy and Normal
How about GD´s then? Not all guest mappers participates in all difficulties.

In any case, what´s more important is that if words such as "deathstream" etc are to be used as tags, then modders should make sure that the map are going to be known for whatever description they are giving in the tags
Myxo
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Myxo
There is no reason to be too picky about tags. Let mappers add whatever they want when they think players might search for it, as long as it relates to the song / to the map / to the mapper (for example mapper's old usernames, names of GDers, deathstream, etc). More tags are better than less tags.

There are two things that should be avoided imo:

1) Inappropriate tags (swearwords, insults etc, you know what I mean)
2) Tags that may actually be searched for but will give a wrong impression of a map (for example if I add deathstream tag to my E/N mapset)

Otherwise I would be lenient here, seemingly "unnecessary" tags don't hurt anyone, and one day someone might search for it regardless.
Wafu
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Wafu

Desperate-kun wrote:

There is no reason to be too picky about tags. Let mappers add whatever they want when they think players might search for it, as long as it relates to the song / to the map / to the mapper (for example mapper's old usernames, names of GDers, deathstream, etc). More tags are better than less tags.

There are two things that should be avoided imo:

1) Inappropriate tags (swearwords, insults etc, you know what I mean)
2) Tags that may actually be searched for but will give a wrong impression of a map (for example if I add deathstream tag to my E/N mapset)

Otherwise I would be lenient here, seemingly "unnecessary" tags don't hurt anyone, and one day someone might search for it regardless.
I can pretty much agree on this. Tags are for searching, thus anything what you'd search for could be a tag, apart from duplicates with title, artist, source etc.
For a deathstream as a tag, it's fine if the map contains the deathstream, if not, it's not needed. What Deimos said is just putting tags to separate difficulties, which is not needed, you search a map that contains the deathstream or the GD mapper - I am pretty sure you will know which difficulty you are looking for. If someone who is looking for deathstream gets easy difficulty shown, he can be pretty sure there may not be a deathstream and will just use the harder difficulty.

As long as tags are correct and related to map/song/mapper, it's imo completely fine to have freedom in usage of tags.
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