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Toto - Holy War

posted 2015-06-05T21:53:50+00:00

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BrianTheDrummer

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BrianTheDrummer 2015-06-05T21:53:50+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on donderdag 20 augustus 2015 at 2:10:28

Artist: Toto
Title: Holy War
Tags: collab marathon A Mystery XIV Steve Lukather David Paich Porcaro Joseph Williams Keith Carlock Shannon Forrest David Hungate
BPM: 150
Filesize: 12490kb
Play Time: 05:18
Difficulties Available:

Dead Wrong (4,41 stars, 1055 notes)

Download: Toto - Holy War
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Collab with an awesome mapper called A Mystery.
Storyboard by me.
Beware, the end is noticeably harder.

Last edited by BrianTheDrummer 2015-08-21T21:16:01+00:00, edited 43 times in total.

Bara-

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Joined April 2013

Bara- 2015-06-07T13:59:51+00:00

Mod as requested via PM

[Insane Collab]
I think the name Collab is good enough, considering it's for approval and doesn't need to say which diff name (You can even use a custom name, like Holy Collab
The SB for the kiai (BG) is a little off, it twists a little, try to make them the same

00:11:286 (1) - Feels a little boring, I think XoXXX (X is note) feels better, or try to make the slider feel more special
00:24:086 (1) - ^^
00:32:485 (3,5) - Kind of a bad overlap, the idea is good, but such sliders only work if they are 1/1 (this is 1/2), the blanket is fine, but you should move the end so they don't overlap anymore
00:51:885 (3,5) - Slight overlap, perhaps stack them (or move (5 more away)
01:02:184 (6) - It's not good to silence this sliderend. You may silence it, but then there MUST be an ausible sliderslide (IIRC, sliderend on soft is Always silent, so add an audible sliderslide for this)
01:41:483 (2,3) - I'm no fan of this stack, to me, it plays kinda bad, move (3) to 360:248 for example and it plays much better
02:31:481 (4) - Make this 1/4 short, so it end on a white tick (give the end a clap). Then add a note/slider at 02:31:781, this feels better compared to the music
03:32:279 (5,6,7,8,9) - The finishes here feel really awkward, please only have them at the start of (9), not in the stream
04:02:477 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This part feels heaviliy undermapped. The guitars form a strong sound, so map them like a stream (too bad I can't hear whether it's 1/3, 1/4 or even 1/6)
04:53:675 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - I think it's better if you blanket all these circles with the sliders
05:18:671 (7) - Why not make this a 1/2 slider (the finish holds on for 1/2 beat)

Great map!
I don't really like the stacks, but that's just personal taste (so I kept them out of the mod (with the exception of one)
This is all I could find

Edit: I'm also worried about the sliders which starts at red ticks and end at white ones, as they feel terrible compared to the beat (but they do follow vocals)
I'd say you should ask a BN/QAT about this as it feels weird >.<

Good luck!!

aigoh

398 posts

Joined February 2014

aigoh 2015-06-08T01:37:04+00:00

Great map

returning the great, helpful mod from A Mystery!

[Insane Collab]

00:11:086 (6,1) –00:23:886 (4,1) - ctrl+G for better rhythm? I see that you guys started long sliders where there is strong guitar or cymbal sound. Don’t forget to fix hitsound if you apply this mod!
01:51:483 (3,4,1) –this felt cramped because of reduced distance. How about spreading out like this? http://puu.sh/igtul.jpg
02:06:882 (3) –doesn’t look good. I suggest just using a straight or Bezier slider.
02:31:081 (2,3,4) – thought rhythm could improve. try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/igrkv.jpg
02:46:481 (1,2,3) –doesn’t look neat when playing. Move 02:47:081 (2) – to 441,95 and 02:47:681 (3) –to 472,374, so that it looks like this? http://puu.sh/igscg.jpg what i did was make a triangle and then scale 1.2x, rotate -15, then fit the slider tails there.
02:52:681 (7,1) – make into slider?
02:59:081 (5,1) –make into slider, and start singles from 02:59:481 (2) -. I think this will present the guitar sound more clearly.
03:18:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/igsyJ.jpg
03:51:144 (4) - 03:51:411 (1) –these sliders start earlier than the guitar, so I suggest checking the timing again.
03:30:080 (3,4) - volume was too low for enough feedback, plus there was no hitsound. I didn't really know if I hit that correctly. So add drum clap to head, reverse arrow, and add drum finish to tail?
03:32:279 (5,6) - change to drum clap?
03:49:677 (1,2,3) - I think it will be more fun if the siders started where the guitars do. http://puu.sh/igu6n.jpg

This is what I could find. Sorry it's so short;;

Good luck!!

BrianTheDrummer

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Topic Starter

BrianTheDrummer 2015-06-08T11:20:04+00:00

baraatje123 wrote:
Mod as requested via PM

[Insane Collab]
I think the name Collab is good enough, considering it's for approval and doesn't need to say which diff name (You can even use a custom name, like Holy Collab Yeah, Mystery and I already agreed that Insane Collab doesn't sound very good and creative. We will probably use a custom name, we just have to think of a good one.
The SB for the kiai (BG) is a little off, it twists a little, try to make them the same Do you mean that they are not exactly the same? If so, it's supposed to be like that. If I directly copy the SB from the kiai time it sometimes gets overlapped a lot by objects, so at some parts I changed it.

00:11:286 (1) - Feels a little boring, I think XoXXX (X is note) feels better, or try to make the slider feel more special
00:24:086 (1) - ^^
00:32:485 (3,5) - Kind of a bad overlap, the idea is good, but such sliders only work if they are 1/1 (this is 1/2), the blanket is fine, but you should move the end so they don't overlap anymore I agree on that, just making it blank looks much better.
00:51:885 (3,5) - Slight overlap, perhaps stack them (or move (5 more away) Fixed
01:02:184 (6) - It's not good to silence this sliderend. You may silence it, but then there MUST be an ausible sliderslide (IIRC, sliderend on soft is Always silent, so add an audible sliderslide for this)
01:41:483 (2,3) - I'm no fan of this stack, to me, it plays kinda bad, move (3) to 360:248 for example and it plays much better Fixed
02:31:481 (4) - Make this 1/4 short, so it end on a white tick (give the end a clap). Then add a note/slider at 02:31:781, this feels better compared to the music Indeed it does, Fixed!
03:32:279 (5,6,7,8,9) - The finishes here feel really awkward, please only have them at the start of (9), not in the stream They actually don't sound bad to me due to them having a drum sampleset and therefore matching the drums. The only one which is a real finish is the sliderstart of 9.
04:02:477 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - This part feels heaviliy undermapped. The guitars form a strong sound, so map them like a stream (too bad I can't hear whether it's 1/3, 1/4 or even 1/6) Yes they do, but I'm afraid that mapping the guitar is pretty much impossible. It's neither 1/3, 1/4 or 1/6 and I think it even changes speed, so I decided to use bigger jumps instead since this is impossible to map.
04:53:675 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - I think it's better if you blanket all these circles with the sliders Yes that looks much better, Fixed!
05:18:671 (7) - Why not make this a 1/2 slider (the finish holds on for 1/2 beat) To me it sounds better the way it is.

Great map!
I don't really like the stacks, but that's just personal taste (so I kept them out of the mod (with the exception of one)
This is all I could find

Edit: I'm also worried about the sliders which starts at red ticks and end at white ones, as they feel terrible compared to the beat (but they do follow vocals)
I'd say you should ask a BN/QAT about this as it feels weird >.< It actually sounds pretty good to me, especially for a song which puts a lot accents on off-beats.

Good luck!! Thanks!

Thanks for the mod

Ninja Bunny wrote:
Great map Thanks!
returning the great, helpful mod from A Mystery! Thanks Mystery for suggesting this map on your M4M!!
[Insane Collab]
00:11:086 (6,1) –00:23:886 (4,1) - ctrl+G for better rhythm? I see that you guys started long sliders where there is strong guitar or cymbal sound. Don’t forget to fix hitsound if you apply this mod!
01:51:483 (3,4,1) –this felt cramped because of reduced distance. How about spreading out like this? http://puu.sh/igtul.jpg That's much better, fixed!
02:06:882 (3) –doesn’t look good. I suggest just using a straight or Bezier slider.
02:31:081 (2,3,4) – thought rhythm could improve. try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/igrkv.jpg Baraatje was ahead of you, he already suggested to change this I prefer his suggestion though.

02:46:481 (1,2,3) –doesn’t look neat when playing. Move 02:47:081 (2) – to 441,95 and 02:47:681 (3) –to 472,374, so that it looks like this? http://puu.sh/igscg.jpg what i did was make a triangle and then scale 1.2x, rotate -15, then fit the slider tails there. Looks much better like this, fixed! And thanks for coordinates.
02:52:681 (7,1) – make into slider?
02:59:081 (5,1) –make into slider, and start singles from 02:59:481 (2) -. I think this will present the guitar sound more clearly.
03:18:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/igsyJ.jpg Fixed.
03:51:144 (4) - 03:51:411 (1) –these sliders start earlier than the guitar, so I suggest checking the timing again.
03:30:080 (3,4) - volume was too low for enough feedback, plus there was no hitsound. I didn't really know if I hit that correctly. So add drum clap to head, reverse arrow, and add drum finish to tail? The volume was indeed too low, but I fixed it with using inheriting points and changing the volume for 3 and 4.
03:32:279 (5,6) - change to drum clap? Yes!
03:49:677 (1,2,3) - I think it will be more fun if the siders started where the guitars do. http://puu.sh/igu6n.jpg

This is what I could find. Sorry it's so short;; Don't be sorry, this was very helpful! Thanks for the mod

Good luck!! Thanks! And thank you very much for the star

This should be everything from my parts. Thanks again for the mods!

A Mystery

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Joined April 2013

A Mystery 2015-06-08T11:54:57+00:00

~~Will check this afternoon~~

baraatje123 wrote:
Mod as requested via PM

[Insane Collab]

00:11:286 (1) - Feels a little boring, I think XoXXX (X is note) feels better, or try to make the slider feel more special - I made this slider a little more creative, also changed rhythm
00:24:086 (1) - ^^
01:02:184 (6) - It's not good to silence this sliderend. You may silence it, but then there MUST be an ausible sliderslide (IIRC, sliderend on soft is Always silent, so add an audible sliderslide for this) - Uhm the problem is that there is nothing audible in the music for the slider-end, thus it would be weird to give it a sound. Will ask for more opinions on this.

Great map!
I don't really like the stacks, but that's just personal taste (so I kept them out of the mod (with the exception of one)
This is all I could find

Edit: I'm also worried about the sliders which starts at red ticks and end at white ones, as they feel terrible compared to the beat (but they do follow vocals)
I'd say you should ask a BN/QAT about this as it feels weird >.<

Vocals>background music. A map would become pretty boring and repetitive if I were to map every basskick and snare. I hate things like offbeat sliders, but when they fit the vocals it sounds perfect to me.

Good luck!!

Ninja Bunny wrote:
Great map
returning the great, helpful mod from A Mystery!
[Insane Collab]
00:11:086 (6,1) –00:23:886 (4,1) - ctrl+G for better rhythm? I see that you guys started long sliders where there is strong guitar or cymbal sound. Don’t forget to fix hitsound if you apply this mod! - I agree, never thought about doing this until Baraatje's mod as well.
02:06:882 (3) –doesn’t look good. I suggest just using a straight or Bezier slider. - Changed slider shape
02:52:681 (7,1) – make into slider? - I wouldn't know why though
02:59:081 (5,1) –make into slider, and start singles from 02:59:481 (2) -. I think this will present the guitar sound more clearly. - I see what you mean, however, I don't like ignoring the chord change on the downbeat there.
03:18:480 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/igsyJ.jpg
03:51:144 (4) - 03:51:411 (1) –these sliders start earlier than the guitar, so I suggest checking the timing again. - Well there isn't much else to do. I think this is timed well enough, as a guitar that is not tuned doesn't always play perfectly on the rhythm.
03:49:677 (1,2,3) - I think it will be more fun if the siders started where the guitars do. http://puu.sh/igu6n.jpg - Hmm I kinda like that, I will think about it because the current rhythm is fine as well imo

This is what I could find. Sorry it's so short;;

Good luck!!

Thanks Baraatje en Bunny for the very useful mods!

UndeadCapulet

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Joined April 2013

UndeadCapulet 2015-06-11T18:54:26+00:00

Sorry for the wait >.<'

From my queue:

General

Is the word "Dead" supposed to be lingering until the end of the kiai in your sb? It's not consistent right now, making me think one of these things is an error. If you do want it lingering, I'd suggest also have "Wrong" linger, since that's the difficulty name it'd be a stronger effect imo

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Dead Wrong

00:46:485 (3,4) - Rather cramped
00:57:685 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - My problem with this is that it's causing everything from 00:58:885 (1) - onwards to feel like an echo of the first pattern, which is not what is actually happening in the song. Your pattern is causing "Relax" to feel weaker than the prior echoed "running". A pattern along the lines of this will fit better while still giving off the parallel effect you're hoping to achieve. (Applies to all similar areas)
01:23:084 (5,1) - Swap NC, starting with the vocal makes more sense
01:23:884 (2,3,4) - The parallel lines here are cool and all, but they're disjointed from 01:23:084 (5,1) - , which have the exact same vocal structure. I think you should do something else.
04:05:677 (1) - Could use a larger SV drop imo, to like .9x or something
05:06:075 (7,1) - The 1/2 jumps before this were pretty involved, this could easily come across as also being 1/2, you should rearrange things so these are stacked or overlapped in some way (it'd also produce a nicer effect, doesn't make much sense to be moving your cursor this much when 7 was an obvious finisher and everything has quieted down a ton).
05:08:871 (1,2) - I think it'd be nicer if this were a 1/1 slider.
05:17:671 (1,2,3) - This could use some tweaks, up to this point the synths were really prevalent in your rhythm choice, but here they feel really weak.
05:18:071 (3,4,5,6,7) - I get you want to stack this with the previous stream, but things are much louder here than earlier and yet 3 and 4 have a smaller DS, rework this part.

Good luck!

BrianTheDrummer

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Topic Starter

BrianTheDrummer 2015-06-11T21:38:13+00:00

UndeadCapulet wrote:
Sorry for the wait >.<'

From my queue:

General
Is the word "Dead" supposed to be lingering until the end of the kiai in your sb? It's not consistent right now, making me think one of these things is an error. If you do want it lingering, I'd suggest also have "Wrong" linger, since that's the difficulty name it'd be a stronger effect imo Yes, it's supposed to be like that. In the current sentence, "dead" just says how wrong he was. I would like to refer to its original definition: death, by making it appear longer and by itself. Especially because this song tells that war doesn't have good consequences, but bad consequences instead. With the worst and most common being: "Death". If I would add "Wrong", it would have the exact same definition and "dead" wouldn't stick out as much as it did before.
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Dead Wrong
00:46:485 (3,4) - Rather cramped Changed this pattern
00:57:685 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - My problem with this is that it's causing everything from 00:58:885 (1) - onwards to feel like an echo of the first pattern, which is not what is actually happening in the song. Your pattern is causing "Relax" to feel weaker than the prior echoed "running". A pattern along the lines of this will fit better while still giving off the parallel effect you're hoping to achieve. (Applies to all similar areas) We both like this idea, but for some patterns it's difficult to apply this and still make the pattern play well or look good. I used this at most of my patterns, except for one.
01:23:084 (5,1) - Swap NC, starting with the vocal makes more sense Fixed
01:23:884 (2,3,4) - The parallel lines here are cool and all, but they're disjointed from 01:23:084 (5,1) - , which have the exact same vocal structure. I think you should do something else. I used this idea later in the song, and I would like to have some variation, so I keep it like this.
04:05:677 (1) - Could use a larger SV drop imo, to like .9x or something I prefer to keep it like this.
05:06:075 (7,1) - The 1/2 jumps before this were pretty involved, this could easily come across as also being 1/2, you should rearrange things so these are stacked or overlapped in some way (it'd also produce a nicer effect, doesn't make much sense to be moving your cursor this much when 7 was an obvious finisher and everything has quieted down a ton). Yeah, it's much better to stack them. Fixed!
05:08:871 (1,2) - I think it'd be nicer if this were a 1/1 slider. I prefer to keep it the way it is
05:17:671 (1,2,3) - This could use some tweaks, up to this point the synths were really prevalent in your rhythm choice, but here they feel really weak. Made this a stream as well.
05:18:071 (3,4,5,6,7) - I get you want to stack this with the previous stream, but things are much louder here than earlier and yet 3 and 4 have a smaller DS, rework this part. Increased the DS.
Good luck! Thanks!

Thank you for your mod

A Mystery

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A Mystery 2015-06-14T22:04:22+00:00

@UndeadCapulet fixed your second suggestion. After discussing with Brian about what you actually meant I decided to change it

RzHr

267 posts

Joined July 2013

RzHr 2015-06-27T10:54:09+00:00

M4M

Great Map...
I'm not sure with my mod now. just hope this mod helped

Death Wrong

- 00:37:285 (3,4) - Blanket
- 00:47:885 (8,1) - ^
- 00:51:285 (1,3,5,3,5,2) - ^ with 00:54:085 (5) -
- 01:15:284 (1,3,4) - ^
- 01:33:683 (3,1,2,1) - ^ with 01:34:483 (1) -
- 01:38:683 (3,1) - ^
- 01:49:683 (3) - stack it with 01:49:283 (2) - tail?
- 01:56:283 (4,4,7) - Blanket?
- 02:33:681 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - why don't make it same like before? .-. little awkward to play, imo
- 03:15:280 (1,1) - Blanket properly
- 04:27:876 (5) - stack?
- 04:31:075 (5) - change into 1/4 slider? will sounds better imo...
- 04:35:476 (4) - stack with 04:33:876 (5) - ?
- 04:57:675 (3,1) - Blanket?
- 05:16:571 - add HC? or make 05:16:671 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - a continuous stream? .-.

Heanday

521 posts

Joined December 2012

Heanday 2015-06-27T16:32:30+00:00

M4M with* A Mystery

[Dead Wrong]

A Mystery :

00:17:686 (1,2,3) - You can impove this patern like that => http://puu.sh/iEGmt/806078d5f2.jpg
02:59:281 (1,2,3,4,5) - I personnaly don't like this uhh, it doesn't play well ! This one was better => 04:41:076 (1,2,3,4) -
04:31:075 (1) - NC here sounds better
04:36:876 (5,6,7) - What about try to reduct the spacing here ( 1.1 ) http://puu.sh/iEUBM/a1d126be53.jpg ( just a suggestion )

Brian :

02:28:482 (1,2,3,4) - Hard to read and hard to play, you should rework them ( try ctrl J & H http://puu.sh/iEGLu/fe4f6dad87.jpg )
02:31:481 (4,5) - You try to trap everyone ? :p " I know ! I know ! You are ! You are ! Trying to shock me ...
02:31:481 (4) - Whistle
02:38:481 (1) - ^
04:02:477 (1) - / 04:05:677 (1) - : I'm sad, the solo is so good, why you skip it ?
05:07:071 (3,5,7) - You should NC here ( S.V change )

Good song, good lyrics, good map, good mapers, gogo guys :]

Last edited by Heanday 2015-06-27T20:01:22+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

BrianTheDrummer

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Topic Starter

BrianTheDrummer 2015-06-27T17:57:06+00:00

RzHr wrote:
M4M
Great Map...
I'm not sure with my mod now. just hope this mod helped

Death Wrong
- 00:37:285 (3,4) - Blanket Fixed
- 00:47:885 (8,1) - ^ ^
- 00:51:285 (1,3,5,3,5,2) - ^ with 00:54:085 (5) - Fixed most of them
- 01:15:284 (1,3,4) - ^ Fixed
- 01:33:683 (3,1,2,1) - ^ with 01:34:483 (1) - ^
- 01:38:683 (3,1) - ^ ^
- 01:49:683 (3) - stack it with 01:49:283 (2) - tail? I prefer to keep it like this
- 01:56:283 (4,4,7) - Blanket?
- 02:33:681 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - why don't make it same like before? .-. little awkward to play, imo Changed it into something else
- 03:15:280 (1,1) - Blanket properly Fixed
- 04:27:876 (5) - stack?
- 04:31:075 (5) - change into 1/4 slider? will sounds better imo...
- 04:35:476 (4) - stack with 04:33:876 (5) - ?
- 04:57:675 (3,1) - Blanket?
- 05:16:571 - add HC? or make 05:16:671 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1,2,3,4,5) - a continuous stream? .-. Added a note at - 05:16:571 -, if that's what you meant. I didn't make a complete stream though since I want to keep the accents for the synthesizer.

GL

Thanks for your mod

A Mystery

868 posts

Joined April 2013

A Mystery 2015-06-27T18:23:39+00:00

@RzHr No change: the first stack was intentional, the second one is not visible when playing (and barely in the editor). The blanket looks fine to me and it's also hard to see!
Thanks for the suggestions though

@Heanday Will check when Brian did

BrianTheDrummer

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BrianTheDrummer 2015-06-27T19:17:43+00:00

Heanday wrote:
M4M will A Mystery

[Dead Wrong]

A Mystery :

00:17:686 (1,2,3) - You can impove this patern like that => http://puu.sh/iEGmt/806078d5f2.jpg
02:59:281 (1,2,3,4,5) - I personnaly don't like this uhh, it doesn't play well ! This one was better => 04:41:076 (1,2,3,4) -
04:31:075 (1) - NC here sounds better
04:36:876 (5,6,7) - What about try to reduct the spacing here ( 1.1 ) http://puu.sh/iEGLu/fe4f6dad87.jpg ( just a suggestion ) I'm afraid you used the wrong puush here

Brian :

02:28:482 (1,2,3,4) - Hard to read and hard to play, you should rework them ( try ctrl J & H http://puu.sh/iEGLu/fe4f6dad87.jpg ) Genius
02:31:481 (4,5) - You try to trap everyone ? :p " I know ! I know ! You are ! You are ! Trying to shock me ... Why don't you easily scare? Changed the patterns.
02:31:481 (4) - Whistle Noooo, how did I miss this one? Pretty sure this must be the only one I forgot...
02:38:481 (1) - ^ Nevermind
04:02:477 (1) - / 04:05:677 (1) - : I'm sad, the solo is so good, why you skip it ? I also love the ending, but I'm afraid that it's impossible to map correctly. When you play it on slow speed you can hear that it's not just 1/4 streams or a different kind of stream. Lots of people requested me to map this though so I will keep this in mind.
05:07:071 (3,5,7) - You should NC here ( S.V change ) Fixed!

Good song, good lyrics, good map, good mapers, gogo guys :]

Thank you very much for your mod!

I don't have a lot of time now, so I will fix the storyboard which is covered by objects due to the changes later.

A Mystery

868 posts

Joined April 2013

A Mystery 2015-06-28T11:43:03+00:00

Heanday wrote:
M4M with* A Mystery

[notice][Dead Wrong]

A Mystery :

00:17:686 (1,2,3) - You can impove this patern like that => http://puu.sh/iEGmt/806078d5f2.jpg - Done that, also changed the next slider
02:59:281 (1,2,3,4,5) - I personnaly don't like this uhh, it doesn't play well ! This one was better => 04:41:076 (1,2,3,4) - - Tried to make something similar
04:31:075 (1) - NC here sounds better - Hmm I really like the current comboing because of the "double" downbeat. The stream is part of the previous pattern in the song.
04:36:876 (5,6,7) - What about try to reduct the spacing here ( 1.1 ) http://puu.sh/iEUBM/a1d126be53.jpg ( just a suggestion ) - I think this spacing works out just as well

Good song, good lyrics, good map, good mapers, gogo guys :]

Thanks for modding!

Heanday wrote:
04:02:477 (1) - / 04:05:677 (1) - : I'm sad, the solo is so good, why you skip it ?

Well here is what it kinda would look like:

The problem is, that the guitar does not play exactly on the beats, and if we were to map it to what we are hearing, it would be a ton of 1/6 with some 1/4 in the middle. The only solution is to spam sliders because 1/6 streams would really kill the difficulty curve and does not fit the map.

@Brian je kunt al met de storyboard verdergaan, die info staat in the .osb dus dat maakt voor de .osu niks uit.

repr1se

482 posts

Joined May 2014

repr1se 2015-06-30T19:31:29+00:00

Mod4Mod from t/254808/start=180

01:02:084 (5,6) - sounds better without the 5, and having 6 extended to where 5 was
01:08:484 (5,6) - ^
02:53:881 (4) - Move to x:128 y:144
04:41:676 (4) - Feels too far away from the other notes
04:43:276 (3,4,5) - Consider making spaces more even, considering 04:42:476 (1,2)
02:18:482 (5,6,1,2) - Doesn't flow as well as the others, like 02:11:482 (2,3,4,5)

Overall thoughts:
Very good beat placement. I like the hitsounding as well. Good luck!

A Mystery

868 posts

Joined April 2013

A Mystery 2015-07-01T17:43:18+00:00

Repr1se wrote:
Mod4Mod from t/254808/start=180

01:02:084 (5,6) - sounds better without the 5, and having 6 extended to where 5 was - I don't want to ignore the vocals
01:08:484 (5,6) - ^
02:53:881 (4) - Move to x:128 y:144 - That makes no difference
04:41:676 (4) - Feels too far away from the other notes - Fixed this slightly
04:43:276 (3,4,5) - Consider making spaces more even, considering 04:42:476 (1,2) - It's to emphasize the vocals, but I see your point. I'm going to keep it this way because it's not awkward to play or anything
02:18:482 (5,6,1,2) - Doesn't flow as well as the others, like 02:11:482 (2,3,4,5) - Also fixed slightly

Overall thoughts:
Very good beat placement. I like the hitsounding as well. Good luck!

Thanks for the mod! next time read the rules ;_;

For brian

osu file format v14

[General]
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PreviewTime: 79984
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TitleUnicode:Holy War
Artist:Toto
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Creator:BrianTheDrummer
Version:Dead Wrong
Source:
Tags:A Mystery XIV Rock Steve Lukather David Paich Steve Porcaro Joseph Williams Keith Carlock
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Spayyce

693 posts

Joined December 2013

Spayyce 2015-07-04T13:58:39+00:00

-throws star at face-

-throws mod-

[General]

BPM: Why is it 150.005? Isn't it just 150?
Folder: Clean
Offset: Good

04:44:875 - Roughly here, the lyrics where they repeat themselves on the story surely should be in brackets? (It's a bit nit-picky but :3)

[Dead Wrong]

00:16:087 (1) - Perhaps make this a 1/1 slider, I think the song prolongs enough to warrant such.

00:38:487 (1) - Why not try and blanket the note, it would create a better flow imo.

01:40:887 (1,2) - I would blanket the end of slider 2 with slider 1 to create a nicer effect.

01:50:287 (5,1) - ^^

02:49:687 (1,3) - Try something like this? (But put note 2 somewhere with better flow, the picture is just an example)

Blanket

03:15:287 (1) - I would curve the second curve less harshly by doing this:

Curve

03:23:287 (1,3) - I would create a slider blanket for consistency and a nice flow from the previous slider.

05:05:275 (3,4,5,6,7) - You have an excellent opportunity at a star pattern here :3

Nice beatmap, very unique and creative with a strong song.

A Mystery

868 posts

Joined April 2013

A Mystery 2015-07-04T14:49:20+00:00

[ Space ] wrote:
-throws star at face-

-throws mod-

[General]
BPM: Why is it 150.005? Isn't it just 150? - The downbeat offset started to go pretty far off near the end, so we had to change it this way
Folder: Clean
Offset: Good
04:44:875 - Roughly here, the lyrics where they repeat themselves on the story surely should be in brackets? (It's a bit nit-picky but :3)

[Dead Wrong]

00:16:087 (1) - Perhaps make this a 1/1 slider, I think the song prolongs enough to warrant such. - I didn't want both the snare and the guitar note to have a slider end, so that's what the 1/2 slider is for. I will consider it though, because I like both ideas

02:49:687 (1,3) - Try something like this? (But put note 2 somewhere with better flow, the picture is just an example) - Well yeah that is why I avoided the blanket. It will not play as well as you might think, because finding a right spot for (2) without breaking the current DS is impossible
Blanket

03:15:287 (1) - I would curve the second curve less harshly by doing this: - I changed the entire shape there, but yeah you were right
Curve

03:23:287 (1,3) - I would create a slider blanket for consistency and a nice flow from the previous slider.

05:05:275 (3,4,5,6,7) - You have an excellent opportunity at a star pattern here :3 - But that doesn't allow for different distances, which is kinda my intention. I see your point though, it would indeed be the right opportunity.

Nice beatmap, very unique and creative with a strong song.

Thanks for modding!

Brian

osu file format v14

[General]
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Artist:Toto
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Creator:BrianTheDrummer
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Tags:A Mystery XIV Rock Steve Lukather David Paich Steve Porcaro Joseph Williams Keith Carlock
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BrianTheDrummer

102 posts

Joined February 2013

Topic Starter

BrianTheDrummer 2015-07-04T16:41:42+00:00

[ Space ] wrote:
-throws star at face- Thank you very much! *-*

-throws mod-

04:44:875 - Roughly here, the lyrics where they repeat themselves on the story surely should be in brackets? (It's a bit nit-picky but :3) I've seen it before on lyrics videos, but personally I don't think it will fit here.

[Dead Wrong]

00:38:487 (1) - Why not try and blanket the note, it would create a better flow imo. Yeah, the curve is now too much angled. Moved 2 to the right.

01:40:887 (1,2) - I would blanket the end of slider 2 with slider 1 to create a nicer effect. I prefer the way it plays and this way I can also create a jump from 1 to 2.

01:50:287 (5,1) - ^^ I'd rather not use too much jumps here though, so I decided to keep this one.

03:23:287 (1,3) - I would create a slider blanket for consistency and a nice flow from the previous slider. Done /o/

Nice beatmap, very unique and creative with a strong song.

Thank you very much for your mod and the star! \:DDD/

Mint

1,607 posts

Joined February 2013

Mint 2015-07-17T22:22:38+00:00

~~Get placeholder'd~~

Hey! As your request!

You should get definitely get your timing checked by a pro. The first KIAI 'till the next red line feels really off. For the first line I got 95.

Then at 03:42:878 (10) - the stream starts to sounds really off. This could be the drummer's fault tho.

Lastly, after 03:51:144 (4,1) - things start to sound off. Listen carefully at 03:54:877 (3,4) - . These are about 15ms off.

And of course, the weird 1/3 snaps on A Mystery's part at 03:51:160 (4,1) - 03:53:493 (2,3) - .

General

* soft-hitfinish3.wav has a delay of about 5ms. Please use this file instead. http://puu.sh/j4faZ/07ab737f61.wav
* Nice SB =w=

Dead Wrong

A Mystery
* 02:12:082 (4,5) - I don't recommend stacking these. I see that you do this quite frequently just before the downbeat and I assume thats for better emphasis, but this clap sound is definitely not something you should ignore.
* 02:17:882 (2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't (2,3) be the largest jump here? The clap is on (3) and the guitar note on (4) doesn't stand out that much to me, so I wonder why (3,4)'s distance is so large

* 02:18:482 (5,6) - Same here, I don't get why you stack these when (6) is such a loud clap. This one isn't as bad as the first one since the downbeat is after this, but I highly recommend looking at your own parts once more and if you agree space some of these stacks out.
* 02:51:681 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - This is really nice!
* 03:43:075 - Green line here is unsnapped.
* 03:51:144 (4,1) - ..... well it follows the guitar i guess xd plays reaaalllyyy weird
* 03:53:477 (2) - Begins too early... you should really get this part checked.

Brian
* 00:36:885 (1) - Downbeat missing a whistle?
* 01:59:683 - Found it a bit strange to skip this clap sound to be honest... try this? http://puu.sh/j4bQB/13ebaac7a1.jpg
* 02:27:082 (7,1) - Could use more spacing imo, currently this is spaced the same as 02:26:682 (5,6) - and the cymbal on (1) is much louder than that drum on (6). Even jumps after this, like 02:28:682 (2,3) - are much bigger.
* 02:31:481 (4) - Not really sure about this slider here... suddenly ending it on the blue tick breaks polarity a bit and confused me while playing. Both clap and drum are ignored now and vocals too (if you listen closely, the 'vocal' on the blue tick is just the 's' sound from the word 'cause. The actual 'i' is snapped to 1/8). I'd just keep the rhythm simple here and use 1/2. Something like this http://puu.sh/j4cu4/a64de746cb.jpg ?
* 02:33:081 (3,4) - Not sure why you and Mystery like to stack things orz. These notes don't have the same pitch and they are both relatively strong, so could be spaced out instead.
* 02:36:081 (5) - Found this finish here a bit strange. I admit it does fit quite nicely, but even in an identical part earlier in the song itself you didn't do this.
* 02:37:081 (2,3) - Since the clap is on (3), make thethe vocal 'don't' snapped on 1/8. This one really should end on the red tick (or white tick + 1/2 note or slider)
* 02:39:681 (5,1) - No jump here on purpose? Would be nice if it was consistent with the other parts.
* 03:42:479 (6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - Something really sounds off in the middle of this stream, a bit around 03:42:878 (10) - ... Don't know if it's the timing that is off, or the drummer.
* 04:03:493 (4,5,6,1) - Would place the large jump at (4,5) instead, because of the strong cymbal at (5)
* 04:53:675 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Really amazing!
* 05:14:871 (1,2,3,4) - Would rework the rhythm here a bit if I were you. Could use a small stream or something, as the strongest 1/4 sounds, for example the clap at 05:15:371 -, are just skipped.
* 05:16:071 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Would move this a bit up, since currently it's a bit hard to predict 05:17:271 (5,1) - and 05:17:871 (5,1) - after this, because (6,1) is almost spaced the same.

I quite like this map, both your style and A Mystery's style are a bit similar.
I just found it really weird that the both of you use stacks when there are quite some noticeable/loud sounds, other than that it's great.

After getting some more opinions on timing, you can call me back \o/

sorry als dingen onduidelijk zijn het is 1:30 in de ochtend hier ;w;

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