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AU - Rochill Tarmination(9 Voice Edit) [Taiko]

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OnosakiHito
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OnosakiHito
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 at 22:44:21

Artist: AU
Title: Rochill Tarmination(9 Voice Edit)
Source: 東方Project
Tags: rotter tarmination sampling masters MEGA Taiko no Tatsujin cirno tomboyish girl in love
BPM: 200
Filesize: 4601kb
Play Time: 01:46
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2,42 stars, 264 notes)
  2. Inner Oni (4,73 stars, 720 notes)
  3. Kantan (1,75 stars, 160 notes)
  4. Muzukashii (2,81 stars, 398 notes)
  5. Oni (3,73 stars, 572 notes)
  6. Ura Oni (abekobe) (4,73 stars, 720 notes)
Download: AU - Rochill Tarmination(9 Voice Edit)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Another ROTTERDAM Set. Yes, I really like this song. Mapped Inner Oni for over a year. Ura is the reversed Inner.
  1. sampling masters MEGA - Rotter Tarmination
  2. AU - Rotterdam Cirno
  3. Mahi feat. Hirune - ROTTER TAIYOSHINKO
  4. Cirno-don by Guinsilva
Used qoot8123's abekobe converter to make Ura difficulty.

Music: https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11835043
AU's website: http://au25.web.fc2.com/otoyugi2.html
Last edited by OnosakiHito , edited 26 times in total.
Kurokotei
Featured Artist
1,648 posts
Joined June 2010
Kurokotei
Hi Ono! Here is the mod you requested in-game!

[General]

  1. add to tags "rotter" since the original song is Rotter Tarmination (and not Rotterdam Tarmination lol)
  2. why 40 for the BG? it's placed wrongly imo
  3. Preview point is wrongly snapped, resnap it please

[Kantan]

  1. 00:00:893 (1) - why no finisher here as you did in Muzu and Oni?
  2. 00:12:893 (2) - D? It will help to mark the beginning of a new part in the song
  3. 00:32:093 (1) - ^
  4. 00:21:293 (1) - d? to be consistent with other patterns
  5. 00:51:293 (1) - D? same reason as other Ds
  6. 00:56:093 (10) - why is this note the only one which isn't D lol
  7. 01:00:893 (1) - D?
  8. 01:10:493 (2) - ^
  9. 01:36:893 (4) - ^

[Futsuu]

  1. 00:00:893 (1) - same as Kantan
  2. 00:02:993 (1) - is this K really needed? doesn't emphasize anything imo
  3. 00:05:393 (2) - ^
  4. 00:05:093 (1) - ew non-monochromatic 1/2s in a Futsuu at this BPM
  5. 00:07:793 (1) - same as 00:02:993 (1) -
  6. 00:12:893 (1) - D?
  7. 00:23:243 (2) - ew, is this note really needed? might be a bit hard for a Futsuu imo
  8. 00:28:043 (7) - ^
  9. 00:32:093 (1) - D?
  10. 00:32:843 (3,1) - change to kk? it's easier and it also fits the song
  11. 00:37:643 (3,1) - ^
  12. 00:42:443 (2) - delete? it's not really needed imo
  13. 00:47:243 (7) - ^
  14. 00:51:293 (1) - D?
  15. 01:00:893 (1) - K?
  16. 01:05:243 (6) - delete? you didn't used a k here in the previous pattern
  17. 01:09:293 (1) - k? to be consistent with previous patterns
  18. 01:11:243 (1) - delete? dk is a bit hard imo
  19. 01:11:993 - add k here? to be consistent with the next pattern
  20. 01:13:643 (1) - delete?
  21. 01:16:043 (1) - ^
  22. 01:16:793 - add a k here to be consistent with the previous pattern?
  23. 01:17:693 (1) - to 01:19:943 (2) - are you serious, seems WAY too hard for a Futsuu
  24. 01:29:243 (1,2,3,1) - seems a bit hard for a Futsuu imo, delete 2 and 3?
  25. 01:34:643 (1,2,3,1) - ^
  26. 01:36:893 (2) - to 01:46:493 (1) - is this a Muzu *runs*

[Muzukashii]

  1. 00:12:893 (1) - D? (I think I'm saying D too much in this mod lol)
  2. 00:40:043 (5) - move to 00:39:893 - ? to be consistent with previous patterns
  3. 00:51:293 (2) - D?
  4. 01:00:893 (2) - ^
  5. 01:07:193 (2) - k? to be consistent with 01:02:393 (1) -
  6. 01:21:293 (11,12,13,14) - why are these notes not snapped to 1/3? it's fine for a Muzu imo
  7. 01:36:893 (1) - D?
  8. 01:42:893 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this 1/2 stream seems pretty long, try to cut it somewhere? (01:43:943 (2) - delete this note for example)

[Oni]

  1. 01:19:043 (2,3,4,1) - why 1/6 here? there isn't any 1/6 in the song here
  2. 01:19:643 (1,2,3,1) - ^
  3. 01:22:493 - where is my usual Rotterdam Techno slowdown? :(

That's all, good luck for rank! :D
OnosakiHito
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6,812 posts
Joined March 2010
Topic Starter
OnosakiHito
SPOILER

Sayaka- wrote:

Hi Ono! Here is the mod you requested in-game!

[General]

  1. add to tags "rotter" since the original song is Rotter Tarmination (and not Rotterdam Tarmination lol) that rotterdam cirno song... lol
  2. why 40 for the BG? it's placed wrongly imo bg will be changed anyway, it's just temporary here
  3. Preview point is wrongly snapped, resnap it please done!

[Kantan]

  1. 00:00:893 (1) - why no finisher here as you did in Muzu and Oni? didn't wnat to confront beginners with finisher already. Would need to add one at 00:03:293 (1) - for consistency as well, which I want to prevent.
  2. 00:12:893 (2) - D? It will help to mark the beginning of a new part in the song Same as above. But D d isn't something I like either, sound and look wise.
  3. 00:32:093 (1) - ^ ^
  4. 00:21:293 (1) - d? to be consistent with other patterns wasn't sure about it anyway, changed
  5. 00:51:293 (1) - D? same reason as other Ds that works. Fits to upcoming one and stays alone.
  6. 00:56:093 (10) - why is this note the only one which isn't D lol Due to previous d. But since it got changed, will change it as well.
  7. 01:00:893 (1) - D? I do not see it as necessary since previous part had them already.
  8. 01:10:493 (2) - ^ ^
  9. 01:36:893 (4) - ^ ^

[Futsuu]

  1. 00:00:893 (1) - same as Kantan For consistency in the d d d ddd pattern. Don't wanna have D there.
  2. 00:02:993 (1) - is this K really needed? doesn't emphasize anything imo Changed for now.
  3. 00:05:393 (2) - ^ ^
  4. 00:05:093 (1) - ew non-monochromatic 1/2s in a Futsuu at this BPM removed
  5. 00:07:793 (1) - same as 00:02:993 (1) - yes
  6. 00:12:893 (1) - D? no, as above
  7. 00:23:243 (2) - ew, is this note really needed? might be a bit hard for a Futsuu imo Well, sufficient break before that pattern. But I will think about this.
  8. 00:28:043 (7) - ^ ^
  9. 00:32:093 (1) - D? no, as above
  10. 00:32:843 (3,1) - change to kk? it's easier and it also fits the song okay
  11. 00:37:643 (3,1) - ^ ^
  12. 00:42:443 (2) - delete? it's not really needed imo same as above
  13. 00:47:243 (7) - ^ ^
  14. 00:51:293 (1) - D? Need to think about this since I like the d d d.... beat really much
  15. 01:00:893 (1) - K? ^
  16. 01:05:243 (6) - delete? you didn't used a k here in the previous pattern Rise of notes. But will see about it
  17. 01:09:293 (1) - k? to be consistent with previous patterns this was intentional
  18. 01:11:243 (1) - delete? dk is a bit hard imo like before
  19. 01:11:993 - add k here? to be consistent with the next pattern would be a too long pattern. It's already complicated because of the duplets.
  20. 01:13:643 (1) - delete? like above
  21. 01:16:043 (1) - ^ ^
  22. 01:16:793 - add a k here to be consistent with the previous pattern? ^
  23. 01:17:693 (1) - to 01:19:943 (2) - are you serious, seems WAY too hard for a Futsuu Will see if I can simplyfy it, but even though it is BPM 200, it's not restricted to u.
  24. 01:29:243 (1,2,3,1) - seems a bit hard for a Futsuu imo, delete 2 and 3? I think there is some misunderstanding about such patterns. 1/2 in Futsuu (even if it's BPM 200) is fine, as long as the patterns in general do not become too long or too complicated. While this appears to be long due to the single consistent notes, overall difficulty isn't that high, unlike parts like dk d d where I wasn't sure about it either and have to check once again.
  25. 01:34:643 (1,2,3,1) - ^ ^
  26. 01:36:893 (2) - to 01:46:493 (1) - is this a Muzu *runs* Yeah, this one I have to tune down I guess. Wil check it. lol

[Muzukashii]

  1. 00:12:893 (1) - D? (I think I'm saying D too much in this mod lol) Was intentional.
  2. 00:40:043 (5) - move to 00:39:893 - ? to be consistent with previous patterns I think I have to tune down density a bit anyway.
  3. 00:51:293 (2) - D? Simila to Futsuu. Wanted to keep that d d d consistent.
  4. 01:00:893 (2) - ^ Same like in... Kantan or Futsuu? Forgot. But want to keep it.
  5. 01:07:193 (2) - k? to be consistent with 01:02:393 (1) - oh yeah
  6. 01:21:293 (11,12,13,14) - why are these notes not snapped to 1/3? it's fine for a Muzu imo I snapped it wrong lol
  7. 01:36:893 (1) - D? no
  8. 01:42:893 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this 1/2 stream seems pretty long, try to cut it somewhere? (01:43:943 (2) - delete this note for example) cut 01:44:843 -

[Oni]

  1. 01:19:043 (2,3,4,1) - why 1/6 here? there isn't any 1/6 in the song here wow, you are right. Gonna have a rstruction soon!
  2. 01:19:643 (1,2,3,1) - ^ ^
  3. 01:22:493 - where is my usual Rotterdam Techno slowdown? :( I don't see it either (/__\)

That's all, good luck for rank! :D

Thank you for your help!
Grimbow
424 posts
Joined February 2012
Grimbow
Howdy doody o/

d - Small don (red note)
D - Big don (red note with a finish)
k - Small kat (blue note)
K - Big kat (blue note with a finish)

Black means something that I think needs changed
Orange is just a suggestion

[General]

AiMod says the maps bitrate is too high, not sure if this is still a problem when ranking things but I figure it's worth at least bringing up!

[Kantan]

00:52:793 (3) - Change this to a k? There's a higher pitched snare/hi-hat/synth sound where this note lands.
00:57:593 (12) - ^
01:39:293 (1,2,3,5,7) - Change these to D's? There are audible crashes where these notes land, and you have finishes on the notes at 01:45:293 (1) - and 01:46:493 (1) -. I do understand that it would make this end section a tad more difficult, especially the one at 01:44:093 (7) - since it is D d d, but I figured it was worth bringing up at the very least.

[Futsuu]

00:32:993 (2) - Change this to a d since the synth is a lower pitch here than it was on the previous note
00:37:793 (2) - ^
00:51:593 (2) - Change this to a k? For the same reason as suggested in the Kantan, there's a higher pitched snare/hi-hat/synth sound where this note lands.
00:52:793 (5,9) - Same suggestion as above, but this one might be a little awkward since it's d k d d d k d, so it comes with a lot less of a recommendation as the one above.
00:56:393 (15) - Same as the suggestion for the note at 00:51:593 (2) -
00:57:593 (18,21) - Same as above, maybe change these two to k's? I feel the d k d d k pattern fits nicely here

[Muzukashii]

00:14:393 (1,1) - Ctrl+g this doublet since the synth here gets higher in pitch instead of lower
00:19:193 (1,1) - Same as above
01:44:543 (1,1) - Possibly move these two notes a tick forward so they start when the vocal repetition thing does? The gap feels a little awkward to me currently as it stops and starts just before and just after the vocals do. If you do take this suggestion, I'd recommend changing the k to a d so it makes the last pattern smoother to play. Pic showing what I mean it to look like

The Oni looks and plays well to me! Nice mapset! :D Have a star and good luck with rank! (∩｀-´)⊃━.*･｡ﾟ
OnosakiHito
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Topic Starter
OnosakiHito

Grimbow wrote:

SPOILER
Howdy doody o/

d - Small don (red note)
D - Big don (red note with a finish)
k - Small kat (blue note)
K - Big kat (blue note with a finish)

Black means something that I think needs changed
Orange is just a suggestion

[General]

AiMod says the maps bitrate is too high, not sure if this is still a problem when ranking things but I figure it's worth at least bringing up!

[Kantan]

00:52:793 (3) - Change this to a k? There's a higher pitched snare/hi-hat/synth sound where this note lands. Could use, but it was intensional to keep the pattern simple on such high BPM.
00:57:593 (12) - ^ ^
01:39:293 (1,2,3,5,7) - Change these to D's? There are audible crashes where these notes land, and you have finishes on the notes at 01:45:293 (1) - and 01:46:493 (1) -. I do understand that it would make this end section a tad more difficult, especially the one at 01:44:093 (7) - since it is D d d, but I figured it was worth bringing up at the very least. Yes. Yes, that's not a bad idea. I'm not sure if I will really keep it, but right now it is worth changing.

[Futsuu]

00:32:993 (2) - Change this to a d since the synth is a lower pitch here than it was on the previous note For the exact same note Sayaka- said it is too hard, which I can partly agree with. 1/2 kd on a 200 BPM song can be harsh for Futsuu players if there is not enough rest. Good idea, but unfortunately, probably no use for a Futsuu. At least not in this constellation.
00:37:793 (2) - ^ ^
00:51:593 (2) - Change this to a k? For the same reason as suggested in the Kantan, there's a higher pitched snare/hi-hat/synth sound where this note lands. Same as in Kantan.
00:52:793 (5,9) - Same suggestion as above, but this one might be a little awkward since it's d k d d d k d, so it comes with a lot less of a recommendation as the one above. ^
00:56:393 (15) - Same as the suggestion for the note at 00:51:593 (2) - ^
00:57:593 (18,21) - Same as above, maybe change these two to k's? I feel the d k d d k pattern fits nicely here^ same as above, but maybe I should also add that it was intentional. In this way upcoming part is more emphasized when using kats, and I believe those dons fit for that one part pretty well, considering the beats in the song.

[Muzukashii]

00:14:393 (1,1) - Ctrl+g this doublet since the synth here gets higher in pitch instead of lower While I can understand your idea, I rather want to keep it in this way so the patterns play the same and are more in a consistent way due to how dons are placed.
00:19:193 (1,1) - Same as above ^
01:44:543 (1,1) - Possibly move these two notes a tick forward so they start when the vocal repetition thing does? The gap feels a little awkward to me currently as it stops and starts just before and just after the vocals do. If you do take this suggestion, I'd recommend changing the k to a d so it makes the last pattern smoother to play. Pic showing what I mean it to look like I like that. This is good. Applied.

The Oni looks and plays well to me! Nice mapset! :D Have a star and good luck with rank! (∩｀-´)⊃━.*･｡ﾟ
Even though I declined most of your points, overall the mod was actually good. You had some reasonable ideas which has been just declined due to difficulty or itentional reasons. Good.

Thank you for your suggestions!
Love
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Love
Old IRC Log from 5 days ago
2015-05-21 11:40 Love: so yeah, what's up?
2015-05-21 11:42 OnosakiHito: In case the song doesn't bother you too much, would you mind to give me some opinion about the spread and difficulty?
2015-05-21 11:42 OnosakiHito: ACTION is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/676252 AU - Rochill Tarmination (9 voice edit) [Kantan]]
2015-05-21 11:42 OnosakiHito: Just a quick review. Nothing big.
2015-05-21 11:42 Love: o
2015-05-21 11:44 Love: general?
2015-05-21 11:45 OnosakiHito: Yep.
2015-05-21 11:46 OnosakiHito: I think the difficulty in all diffs should be fine, since the BPM is pretty high. But still, I wasn't sure if this is really justfied.
2015-05-21 11:46 OnosakiHito: Which why I'm here now.
2015-05-21 11:46 OnosakiHito: is*
2015-05-21 11:46 Love: it's only 200 really
2015-05-21 11:46 Love: you have excessive breaks which is good for what you're doing
2015-05-21 11:46 Love: for Kantan at least
2015-05-21 11:47 Love: my only problem would be to move 00:02:993 (1) - to 00:02:693 - for a little consistency
2015-05-21 11:47 Love: or start off a little bit slower
2015-05-21 11:47 OnosakiHito: Oh.
2015-05-21 11:48 OnosakiHito: Wait, you are right.  I didn't used that afterwards either. Changed lol
2015-05-21 11:48 Love: XD
2015-05-21 11:48 Love: also
2015-05-21 11:49 Love: since this part here 00:51:293 - 
2015-05-21 11:49 Love: it changes a bit
2015-05-21 11:49 Love: so, maybe remove 00:52:793 (3) - and 00:57:593 (12) - 
2015-05-21 11:49 Love: creates a nice break rhythm there
2015-05-21 11:50 Love: and maybe, if you'
2015-05-21 11:50 Love: you're up for it, add a silent spinner that ends on 01:50:093 - 
2015-05-21 11:51 Love: for all diffs
2015-05-21 11:57 Love: and yeah, just a little touch ups in the futsuu and it'll be even better :P
2015-05-21 11:58 Love: and muzu
2015-05-21 11:59 OnosakiHito: Spinner might be not a bad idea. Will check that.
2015-05-21 11:59 OnosakiHito: And I think I might delete thosenotes in Kantan you suggested.
2015-05-21 11:59 OnosakiHito: little touch ups? What's that? :D
2015-05-21 11:59 Love: few changes, additions and deletions
2015-05-21 12:00 OnosakiHito: Oh
2015-05-21 12:00 OnosakiHito: Yeah, I think so too.
2015-05-21 12:02 OnosakiHito: That helped me already a lot. Thanks!
2015-05-21 12:02 Love: yupyup :P
2015-05-21 12:02 Love: if you want I can point out a few suggestions
2015-05-21 12:02 OnosakiHito: Would gladly hear them.
2015-05-21 12:03 OnosakiHito: Seems like someone wants kudosu. /0/
2015-05-21 12:03 Love: XD
2015-05-21 12:03 Love: futsuu first :P
2015-05-21 12:04 Love: 00:02:093 (4) - delete this and move 00:02:993 (1) - to 00:02:693 - 
2015-05-21 12:05 OnosakiHito: Applied.
2015-05-21 12:06 Love: 00:23:243 (2) - Move this back 1/2 to keep it simple
2015-05-21 12:07 Love: unless
2015-05-21 12:07 Love: you want to keep the vocal
2015-05-21 12:07 OnosakiHito: Was also worried about the having no breaks.
2015-05-21 12:07 Love: true
2015-05-21 12:07 Love: then yeah, nvm that :P
2015-05-21 12:07 Love: remove 00:28:793 (2) -  though
2015-05-21 12:08 OnosakiHito: Though, I probably have to think about it anyway, since Sayaka and other people said it might be too much for Futsuu on BPM 200.
2015-05-21 12:08 OnosakiHito: Removed. Both ways have kinda a similar effect, but in this way it is becoming easier.
2015-05-21 12:09 Love: yeah :P
2015-05-21 12:09 Love: lets move back a little to 00:21:743 (2,3) - 
2015-05-21 12:09 Love: these 2 can be removed for a 4/1 pause
2015-05-21 12:09 Love: and 00:16:943 (2,3) - 
2015-05-21 12:09 Love: since you have pretty dense parts these wouldn't matter anyways
2015-05-21 12:09 Love: just help the player relax a bit
2015-05-21 12:11 OnosakiHito: Agree. Removed.
2015-05-21 12:11 OnosakiHito: I guess same goes for the upcoming K K K K
2015-05-21 12:12 Love: and as a little added touch, add finishers on the notes after the pause such as 00:17:693 (1) - 
2015-05-21 12:12 Love: otherwise they're fine as d
2015-05-21 12:13 OnosakiHito: At the same time let me ask, Muzukashii, at same timeline, I could delete notes like 00:41:243 (3) - , so spread would be better, not?
2015-05-21 12:13 Love: that could work :P
2015-05-21 12:13 OnosakiHito: Will rather keep d since I'm someone who dislikes finishers at the beginning of a stanza. To me they... rather finish a stanza. lol
2015-05-21 12:13 Love: alright lol
2015-05-21 12:13 Love: I'll keep that in mind :P
2015-05-21 12:14 Love: so, I'll just paste a list of the K--Ks that are left
2015-05-21 12:14 OnosakiHito: ok
2015-05-21 12:15 Love: 00:36:143 - 00:40:943 - 
2015-05-21 12:15 Love: guess it was just those 2
2015-05-21 12:15 Love: lol
2015-05-21 12:17 OnosakiHito: Yep. Deleted.
2015-05-21 12:17 OnosakiHito: Deleted also 00:41:393 -
2015-05-21 12:18 Love: :D
2015-05-21 12:19 Love: so what did you do about the doubles? 00:42:443 - 
2015-05-21 12:19 Love: just thinking about it?
2015-05-21 12:21 OnosakiHito: I think I will just delete it.
2015-05-21 12:21 Love: alright
2015-05-21 12:21 Love: that's fair XD
2015-05-21 12:22 OnosakiHito: But I do believe for that, I have also to do some deletions in Muzu.
2015-05-21 12:22 OnosakiHito: Really dense when looking at it.
2015-05-21 12:22 Love: yup lol
2015-05-21 12:22 Love: though, this next part
2015-05-21 12:22 OnosakiHito: 00:47:393 (1,1,1,2,1,2,1) -
2015-05-21 12:22 Love: I have an idea
2015-05-21 12:22 OnosakiHito: oh, same like kantan :D
2015-05-21 12:22 OnosakiHito: Yes?
2015-05-21 12:22 Love: 00:51:293 - 
2015-05-21 12:22 Love: just to make it noticiably harder
2015-05-21 12:23 Love: with 1/1s, go: d - d - d d d d d then leave a 4/1 break
2015-05-21 12:23 Love: then repeat on 00:56:093 - 
2015-05-21 12:24 OnosakiHito: Done. Just left note 00:59:093 -
2015-05-21 12:25 Love: alright
2015-05-21 12:25 OnosakiHito: In this way, the end of this part is more clear.
2015-05-21 12:25 OnosakiHito: As if the K would stand alone there.
2015-05-21 12:25 OnosakiHito: I mean, affiliation of the K would be more clear when keeping that don.
2015-05-21 12:25 Love: :D
2015-05-21 12:25 OnosakiHito: In Kantan I deleted these notes 00:43:793 -
2015-05-21 12:26 OnosakiHito: 00:47:993 -
2015-05-21 12:26 OnosakiHito: since Futsuu provides it already.
2015-05-21 12:26 Love: alright :P
2015-05-21 12:26 Love: aaand
2015-05-21 12:26 Love: lets get to the denser parts
2015-05-21 12:26 OnosakiHito: ok
2015-05-21 12:26 OnosakiHito: Which diff? Futsuu?
2015-05-21 12:26 Love: yeah
2015-05-21 12:27 Love: I'll just note some deletions
2015-05-21 12:27 OnosakiHito: ok
2015-05-21 12:28 Love: 01:17:843 - 01:19:043 - 01:19:343 - 01:19:943 - 
2015-05-21 12:31 OnosakiHito: dispite last kat, i deleted all.
2015-05-21 12:31 OnosakiHito: Sayaka mentioned this, too.
2015-05-21 12:31 Love: alright
2015-05-21 12:31 Love: and then uh
2015-05-21 12:32 Love: I'll note 2 deletions for the first kiai just to show how much of a change only 2 added notes from kantan->futsuu can be :P
2015-05-21 12:32 Love: 01:22:943 (1,1) - 
2015-05-21 12:32 Love: and 01:26:543 (1,1) - 
2015-05-21 12:33 Love:  since 01:24:743 (2,3) - are both new notes
2015-05-21 12:33 Love: they make quite a noticable difference
2015-05-21 12:34 OnosakiHito: Hm. Kinda missed what you wanna tell me with this. lol
2015-05-21 12:34 OnosakiHito: I delete those two notes in futsuu, and when comparing with Kantan I will see....?
2015-05-21 12:34 Love: these 01:24:743 (2,3) - 
2015-05-21 12:34 Love: are added
2015-05-21 12:34 Love: and are quite noticable from the kantan
2015-05-21 12:35 Love: iirc
2015-05-21 12:35 OnosakiHito: WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME
2015-05-21 12:35 OnosakiHito: HELP ME GOD
2015-05-21 12:35 Love: LOL
2015-05-21 12:35 OnosakiHito: Haha
2015-05-21 12:36 Love: with the kats removed, it's a bit easier and has better breaks
2015-05-21 12:36 OnosakiHito: ooooh
2015-05-21 12:36 Love: but you can notice the difference with the notes that 
2015-05-21 12:37 Love: are added
2015-05-21 12:37 OnosakiHito: Yeah
2015-05-21 12:38 OnosakiHito: The thing is now, that spread could become quick big.
2015-05-21 12:38 OnosakiHito: because Muzu contains a lot of notes, too. And Oni too.
2015-05-21 12:39 Love: true, but some of these are a bit like muzu patterns XD
2015-05-21 12:39 OnosakiHito: hmmmm, true, too.
2015-05-21 12:39 OnosakiHito: I will see about these what I can do.
2015-05-21 12:40 OnosakiHito: Will have to do some changes in Muzu anyway. With these, I will continue with Futsuu then.
2015-05-21 12:41 Love: and yeah, the rest will be fine besides the other kats on that kiai
2015-05-21 12:42 Love: as in 01:30:143 (1,1) - 01:30:143 (1,1) - 
2015-05-21 12:42 Love: oops
2015-05-21 12:42 Love: 01:33:743 (1) - 
2015-05-21 12:44 OnosakiHito: Yep
2015-05-21 12:45 Love: and uh, how long will you be here?
2015-05-21 12:45 OnosakiHito: Will go quick to eat something. But I will be here until I sleep.
2015-05-21 12:46 Love: alright
2015-05-21 12:46 Love: I'll be back :P
2015-05-21 12:46 OnosakiHito: alright.
2015-05-21 12:46 Love: we'll return to the muzu
2015-05-21 12:46 OnosakiHito: o7
2015-05-21 14:47 OnosakiHito: If you want you can put the IRC log into the thread.
2015-05-21 14:48 Love: yeah, I'll mod the rest of the map XD

So, I see you've touched up the map at bit more, I'm loving the spread more, but I'm sure you can add a bit more to the Oni and change that to an Ura Oni and squeeze another Oni in between that. I don't want the Oni to change much as it is unless it gets harder, cause at the state it's in, I love it. Lemme know when you're ready for a recheck. :P
OnosakiHito
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As Love proposed, I added a new Oni and change some things in the IRC before. Yet, I would still like to look through the spread and make sure it fits since personally I'm still not statisfied and think it needs some slight refinement. Also, I added a new BG (took me some time! So happy I found it ) and changed the mp3 from 203kbits to 192kbits. Somehow forgot about that.

Oh, and maybe some significant change I should mention too:
Update: 13.07.
Kantan HP: 8
Futsuu HP: 7
Muzu HP: 7
Oni HP: 6
Inner/Ura HP: 6

I want to get myself rid of the old HP system, since (as many people mentioned before) it doesn't make much sense on its current state. Lower diffs can be passed by only hitting about 20% or less of the whole map, which an higher HP can prevent. Current set I use is approximately in the need of 50% note hits to gain 50% of the drain bar(maybe a tiny less), which in my opinion seems to be reasonable. Maybe for higher diffs this might appear a bit harsh, sic lower players might fail a lot of times. Maybe reducing the HP a bit because maps are becoming harder and have more notes might be appropriated.


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Self notes for me

(Muzukashii) 00:41:393 ~ 00:50:093 - less notes for spread
(Muzukashii) 01:20:093 - Changed 1/4 dons with a slider for better spread
(Futsuu) 00:51:293 - Added more notes for better spread
HashishKabob
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[Kantan]
00:14:387 - Maybe add kat here?
00:19:187 - Kat here?
00:38:387 - Kat here?
^^^I personally like the sound this beat makes with the added kat, otherwise it sounds too bland to me.^^^

01:25:637 - Unnecessary finisher here: there is no underlying beat for it other than vocals, which in my opinion do not (usually) need any kind of emphasis.
01:32:837 - Same as above.


[Futsuu]
00:23:237 - I would move this don back to 00:23:087 only because it feels forced to make this pattern this way.
00:27:887 - Same as above.
00:54:887 - 00:56:087 : All these notes could be kats, just to add a bit of variation to this segment.
01:05:687 - Personal preference that this be a don as well. It sounds and plays better.
01:37:637 - Add don here?


[Muzukashii]
00:05:387 - This finisher feels forced and unnecessary.
00:46:487 (1,1,1) - Change to dkdk like in your previous pattern at 00:41:687 : it works so much better than this.
01:05:087 - Change to don.


[Oni]
00:01:112 - Remove this unless you decide to follow this pattern type through with kats at:
00:01:487 - 00:01:712 - 00:01:937 - 00:03:887 - 00:04:337 - 00:04:712 - 00:06:287 - 00:06:512 - 00:06:737 - 00:08:687 - 00:08:912 - 00:09:137
^^^This is a simple enough pattern for Oni and very acceptable for the map so far. There would be nothing wrong (in my opinion) if you use this kat pattern. If not then I would remove all the following kats:
00:01:112 - 00:03:512 - 00:05:912 - 00:08:312
^^^It does not sound right, and it plays awkwardly.

00:16:787 - Nothing wrong with adding another Finisher here if you want.
00:21:587 - And here^
00:24:287 - Change to don?
00:24:587 - Change to don?
00:29:087 - Don?
00:29:387 - Don?
01:19:637 - Add don?
01:19:937 - Add kat?
01:22:187 - Add a 3-plet 1/4th ddd beat?
01:24:587 - Add kat.
01:25:037 - Add kat.
01:25:637 - I still don't like this (preference). Either remove the entire kat/finisher, or keep it. Up to you.
^^^ It's fine, I'm just being crazy.

01:25:937 - Add don/kat.
01:33:137 - Add don/kat.


[Inner Oni]
00:12:887 - Finisher.
00:21:137 - Add kat.
00:21:137 - Add kat.
00:29:987 - Don? (it fits your kd dk pattern in the previous notes at 00:28:712 )
00:35:537 - Add kat.
00:40:337 - Add kat.
00:49:187 - Don? (same as 00:29:987 )
00:57:137 - Add kat.
01:06:137 - Exchange this kkk pattern for a ddd pattern at 01:06:287 : it carries the off-beat of the music better here.
01:44:087 - Change to simple ddkkddk. This pattern is the only complex pattern you have in this whole map and it doesn't fit.


[Ura Oni]
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OnosakiHito
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HashishKabob wrote:

SPOILER
[Kantan]
00:14:387 - Maybe add kat here? No kat since the new stanza starts here. Adding one might sound odd.
00:19:187 - Kat here? ^
00:38:387 - Kat here? ^
^^^I personally like the sound this beat makes with the added kat, otherwise it sounds too bland to me.^^^

01:25:637 - Unnecessary finisher here: there is no underlying beat for it other than vocals, which in my opinion do not (usually) need any kind of emphasis. Wasn't sure about it before. Changed.
01:32:837 - Same as above. ^


[Futsuu]
00:23:237 - I would move this don back to 00:23:087 only because it feels forced to make this pattern this way. Changed
00:27:887 - Same as above. Changed
00:54:887 - 00:56:087 : All these notes could be kats, just to add a bit of variation to this segment. I must say, I like that. Fits with the last K finisher.
01:05:687 - Personal preference that this be a don as well. It sounds and plays better. Since I go strictly to the vocal here, I will leave this.
01:37:637 - Add don here? Didn't want to make it harder as it alread is.


[Muzukashii]
00:05:387 - This finisher feels forced and unnecessary. Well, don't have to make it that hard anyway.
00:46:487 (1,1,1) - Change to dkdk like in your previous pattern at 00:41:687 : it works so much better than this. Okay
01:05:087 - Change to don. Self preference here.


[Oni]
00:01:112 - Remove this unless you decide to follow this pattern type through with kats at:
00:01:487 - 00:01:712 - 00:01:937 - 00:03:887 - 00:04:337 - 00:04:712 - 00:06:287 - 00:06:512 - 00:06:737 - 00:08:687 - 00:08:912 - 00:09:137
^^^This is a simple enough pattern for Oni and very acceptable for the map so far. There would be nothing wrong (in my opinion) if you use this kat pattern. If not then I would remove all the following kats:
00:01:112 - 00:03:512 - 00:05:912 - 00:08:312
^^^It does not sound right, and it plays awkwardly. Dunno, maybe I just used to it too much. At some point you are actually right, but somehow I like these for some reason. While they follow partly the song, they might be still a bit odd, but might be compensated by the consistent use of the kk overall in this part?

00:16:787 - Nothing wrong with adding another Finisher here if you want. lolcubes said the same, so I will add them now.
00:21:587 - And here^ ^
00:24:287 - Change to don? Not a bad idea, had that before too, but I want to try having K for the voice.
00:24:587 - Change to don? ^
00:29:087 - Don? ^
00:29:387 - Don? ^
01:19:637 - Add don? Intentional break for the finishers.
01:19:937 - Add kat? ^
01:22:187 - Add a 3-plet 1/4th ddd beat? I'm okay with it as it is. Inner has it already.
01:24:587 - Add kat. Want to keep it in this way, so it doesn't become too hard in Oni. It's already complex anyway.
01:25:037 - Add kat. ^
01:25:637 - I still don't like this (preference). Either remove the entire kat/finisher, or keep it. Up to you.
^^^ It's fine, I'm just being crazy.

01:25:937 - Add don/kat. In this way the voice with the finisher is more emphasized.
01:33:137 - Add don/kat. ^


[Inner Oni]
Changed nothing in Inner since I had pretty much my own ideas here which I mapped 1 year on.
Finishers I tried to place as single notes and not on beginning on stanzas. And certain patterns I left as they are since -as I said- I had my own ideas aka, sometimes improvising mapping.
Overall nice suggestions. Thanks!
Yuzeyun
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[General]
You have to change the Source to 東方Project, and put Touhou to tags. New maps use this as source as it is the right name.
Metadata:
Artist : あう (As stated in his NND profile)
Title : Rochill Tarmination(⑨ Voice Edit) -> http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm11835043 (4:10 in)
On the Unicode side, you'll have to delete the space and capitalize Voice and Edit.
(you could also add the original theme name to tags but that's up to you)

[Inner Oni]
01:14:837 (4) - This might be nitpicky to you but maybe change that to kat ? This particular note has a snare going at that point as well as the next 1/2, like you seem to do at 01:17:237 (1) - . (Same goes for Oni)

There's an issue concerning spread from Muzukashii to Oni that was addressed in IRC (Note density difference is fairly large).

:V
OnosakiHito
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Changed the metadata. Totally forgot about it.
Inner Oni no change, because that was intentionally. The note at 01:14:837 is don since the pace of the sounds is lower than at 01:17:237 - . It is also a nice "rise of notes" effect which I don't want to lose.
On the other hand, I reduced the spread between Oni and Muzu at that oneplace you mentioned. Thank you!
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Unless I'm stupid I think we're gud to gou
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Thank you!
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Fun :3 and I don't even play Taiko!!1!
Can I use the cirno drum skin guy? :3
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ROCH AND ROLL

[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:59:387 (1) - d? Since it's been d on the 1/1s so far, and since there are gaps to prevent any bad flow, why not keep it steady?
  2. 00:59:987 - Add a don here since there's a big bass sound? It helps the break make more sense too (however, if you were to go this far, you'd probably want to add a katu at 00:59:537 or something).
  3. 01:22:187 (1,2,3) - This ddd makes entering this section very weird musically, but unfortunately making 01:22:487 (4) - k will make it inconsistent with later parts.. oh well.
  4. I think 01:41:687 (1,2,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,2) - and 01:42:887 (1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1) - should be switched. It just makes more sense no? The triplets give a much more... 'rising' feeling? Doubles like these seem like a step down in intensity. The problem becomes that vocals won't fit, in which case I guess it can be mapped differently if this is done.

    obv do opposite for abekobe www
[Oni]
  1. 00:19:037 (2) - Delete this so it's consistent with 00:13:637 (1,1,2,1,1,1) - ? It also helps not make it so similar to Inner Oni.
  2. 00:37:637 (1,1,1,2,1,1) - ^ Except here in order to not have the same patterns as before, how about dkdd kk?
  3. 01:30:137 (1,2,3,4) and 01:33:737 (1,2,3,4) - Any reason as to why these aren't 5 notes? Normally the section would start with triples, then get harder as they become 5s; but in this case it seems like they become triples for no real good reason, so either making them become 5s or keeping them all as 5s should be better. If you were looking for a 'cooldown', that's the 2 seconds they get after this kiai ends lol.
  4. 01:41:687 (2,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,2) - Similar to Inner Oni, how about swapping these so the 1/2 spam leads into the kkd triples instead? It even fits nicer imo.
  5. 01:45:887 (1,2,3,4,5) - All d? Since this part no longer sounds like 01:44:687 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these.
[Muzukashii]
  1. Finisher usage (hello 01:10:487) spikes the difficulty for Muzu players A LOT more than you'd think, but it can't be helped. I guess they can find non-200bpm maps heheh.
  2. 00:59:387 (1) - d for similar reasons to Inner Oni?
  3. 00:18:437 (1,1,1) - keep it kk so it's like the intro, and also isn't so similar to Oni?
  4. 00:37:637 (2,1,1) - ^ just assuming that drops in density should be noticeable anywhere (though I guess the absense of notes before counts, whatever lol)
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:42:287 - add k? This part sounds really off to me with those 'doubles' since it seems it just cuts off randomly.
  2. 00:47:087 - ^ it's somehow more acceptable here, but would be safer to have it both times anyways.
  3. 01:45:737 (1,1,1,1) - Instead of mapping this as if we're earlier in the song, how about ddddD or ddd D to emphasize it more? :p
[Kantan]
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OnosakiHito
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OzzyOzrock wrote:

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ROCH AND ROLL Haha, I approve.

[Inner Oni]
  1. 00:59:387 (1) - d? Since it's been d on the 1/1s so far, and since there are gaps to prevent any bad flow, why not keep it steady? While this makes sense, I still want to keep this. I think at this point it has to do with personal preference. I don't like mono colored patterns which have the same finisher colour at the end, so I often change previous note to another colour. If it should really bother, I could change it...
  2. 00:59:987 - Add a don here since there's a big bass sound? It helps the break make more sense too (however, if you were to go this far, you'd probably want to add a katu at 00:59:537 or something). No change since I want this section to end stanza wise in an even way. The vocals supports this.
  3. I think 01:41:687 (1,2,1,1,1,2,1,2,1,1,1,2) - and 01:42:887 (1,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1) - should be switched. It just makes more sense no? The triplets give a much more... 'rising' feeling? Doubles like these seem like a step down in intensity. The problem becomes that vocals won't fit, in which case I guess it can be mapped differently if this is done. Well, to be honest, while I can understand your point here, this was intentional, since I wanted to keep the alternate way from d to k. That's why I used the swapped way of what you suggest. Doubles follow that d - k too, though, might be too weird? If yes, I can try to change. Maybe I'm just too much used to this pattern in this section.

    obv do opposite for abekobe www
[Oni]
  1. 00:19:037 (2) - Delete this so it's consistent with 00:13:637 (1,1,2,1,1,1) - ? It also helps not make it so similar to Inner Oni. done
  2. 00:37:637 (1,1,1,2,1,1) - ^ Except here in order to not have the same patterns as before, how about dkdd kk? done. using dkdd kd
  3. 01:30:137 (1,2,3,4) and 01:33:737 (1,2,3,4) - Any reason as to why these aren't 5 notes? Normally the section would start with triples, then get harder as they become 5s; but in this case it seems like they become triples for no real good reason, so either making them become 5s or keeping them all as 5s should be better. If you were looking for a 'cooldown', that's the 2 seconds they get after this kiai ends lol. Oh, you are right. Instead, I just used k d ddd K on first half of kiai for a 'rise of notes' effect. If this isn't good I can change to 5 plet. Just felt like it might be to monotonically.
  4. 01:41:687 (2,1,2,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,2) - Similar to Inner Oni, how about swapping these so the 1/2 spam leads into the kkd triples instead? It even fits nicer imo. I rather wanna keep that d x d x d x d... beat, which is pretty nice imo.
  5. 01:45:887 (1,2,3,4,5) - All d? Since this part no longer sounds like 01:44:687 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - these. Like before, I try evoiding having monotonically 1/4 with finisher at the end. personal preference.
[Muzukashii]
  1. 00:18:437 (1,1,1) - keep it kk so it's like the intro, and also isn't so similar to Oni? done
  2. 00:37:637 (2,1,1) - ^ just assuming that drops in density should be noticeable anywhere (though I guess the absense of notes before counts, whatever lol) ^
[Futsuu]
  1. 00:42:287 - add k? This part sounds really off to me with those 'doubles' since it seems it just cuts off randomly. Actually, his fits nicely. So I will use that.
  2. 00:47:087 - ^ it's somehow more acceptable here, but would be safer to have it both times anyways. ^
  3. 01:45:737 (1,1,1,1) - Instead of mapping this as if we're earlier in the song, how about ddddD or ddd D to emphasize it more? :p I'm fine with both ways, so I guess I will just go for yours as d d d d K so it's kind of an abekobe pattern to previous one.
[Kantan]
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Thanks Ozzy! Hopefully it isn't a problem with Inner... as I said to someone before, I'm kinda strict about this diff. since it took me long and I had my ideas here. Though, if last pattern is a no go, I could change it of course.
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