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SV limit: 0.10x - 0.0x and Negative (−) SV (Osu! Mania)

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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
Current Priority: +30
Topic Starter
arviejhay
As it said in the title i request to change the SV limit.

For 0.0x SV, This can make a True stop if you use them wisely unlike 0.10x you can see that the gameplay is still running
and when you look on the timing menu, the metronome ball (i don't what it's called) stops but the sound is not,
It's like on DDR
Example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKFGOE9_7Bs




For Negative SV

Fullerene- wrote:

Negative SVs where the map scrolls backwards.
Example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7XykqvVS2I



I don't know if you guys like this request.
Feel free to throw your opinions here , it's a request
Bara-
God no
0.1x is already very slow, and 10.0x is already way to fast
Does it even ever get used?
I have NEVER seen it once, such slow/fasr speed down/up
jesse1412

baraatje123 wrote:

God no
0.1x is already very slow, and 10.0x is already way to fast
Does it even ever get used?
I have NEVER seen it once, such slow/fasr speed down/up
Just because it hasn't been used doesn't mean it can't be used. The more tools people have to more things they can create, if you disagree with what they create well that's your opinion. Mapping is subjective so some people are bound to enjoy things that you don't.
Topic Starter
arviejhay
i think like this lol
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/92807
Nanatsu

baraatje123 wrote:

God no
0.1x is already very slow, and 10.0x is already way to fast
Does it even ever get used?
I have NEVER seen it once, such slow/fasr speed down/up
if you talking about RANKED maps style, i agree it surely

however, have you played some of unranked which were accoustomed to sv? such as converted charts from o2jam ( one of mania style rhythm game )

they even used sv like 65563 bpm, 0~1 bpm to make charts cool. and its exactly damn cool if don't harm acc, combo, whatever

well, mania multiplication sv way can't make that kind of svs. so if we use bpm ways, it can cause harming timing of measure line.

remember, mapping is subjective things. and even it would be agree, the terrible sv will not apply to ranked map..
Mwallx
Support.i'm a mania mapper and i know the 0.1X it's still not slow enough for fierce svs,but i think 10x
is enough.So, just just 0.1x to 0.0x i think
Sea_Food
But what about negative SV?
Topic Starter
arviejhay

Sea_Food wrote:

But what about negative SV?
I think 0.0x SV is enough for the gameplay to stop.
I don't know if negative SVs will going to change anything
Fullerene-
Feel the Beats has negative SVs where the map scrolls backwards.

0.0x SV would be useful for making true stops instead of having to use 0.1x where it's still noticeably scrolling and would open up more options for visual effects in maps.
Topic Starter
arviejhay

Fullerene- wrote:

Feel the Beats has negative SVs where the map scrolls backwards.
LOL Now i know what is negative SVs. Still it's impossible because i think it will ruin the notes but maybe i support this one XD
LeiN-
This is good!
and I'm pretty comprehend with negative SV too. It can be used with breaktime as well.
Kamikaze
I'm all for negative sv, it can create really awesome "flashback" effects without ruining the gameplay, also supporting increased sv limits just for the sake of mapping freedom
Topic Starter
arviejhay

-Kamikaze- wrote:

I'm all for negative sv, it can create really awesome "flashback" effects without ruining the gameplay, also supporting increased sv limits just for the sake of mapping freedom
i can imagine it right now :)
Bara-
About 0.00x, how do you know it goes on?
Imo they can't be rankable, as it is nigh impossible to read it properly, rven for experienced players
It could be used for unranked maps, with no intention of ranking
Tristan97
Honestly, I think that there are mappers that can work with increased SV limits to make amazing visual effects that still work very well in gameplay. Not always necessarily rankable, but I think some people (*cough lzenxl cough*) would be able to really make some enjoyable betamaps.

Also, negative SVs sound really fun. I support them as well.
Kamikaze

baraatje123 wrote:

About 0.00x, how do you know it goes on?
Imo they can't be rankable, as it is nigh impossible to read it properly, rven for experienced players
It could be used for unranked maps, with no intention of ranking
I disagree. There are players who read note placement by listening to music and only looking on which column notes are (reading patterns by ears), and 0,0x is mostly used either for very short amount of time, for breaks, or for bigger impact on sv bumps. As for rankabilty, no one said that they should be rankable, though imo 0,00 could go through if used wisely
LeiN-
zeroclover
for mania, sv 0 or -0 is cool stuff

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/225639

i did like this before :)
Bara-
Time for some Technical explanation why this Can't really happen, unless it needs to get a completely change of the .osu file

A red Line uses the following code (Just an example)
1788,389.61038961039,4,2,1,100,1,0
1788-->Offset
389... --> 10000/BPM --> Bpm=154
4-->4/4 Timing set-up
2-->Red line (I think, but not sure)
1-->Custom Hitsoundset used
100-->Hitsounds Volume
1-->Hitsounds type (Normal(0), Soft(1) and drum(2))
0-->Kiai activated or not


A green line uses the following code (Just an example)
14645,-100,4,1,1,100,0,1
14645-->Offset
-100-->-100/SV change (1.0) If this number gets positive, it'll display 1.00x
4-->4/4 Timing setup
1--> Greenline (I think)
1-->Custom hitsoundset used
100-->Hitsounds Volume
0-->Hitsounds type (Normal(0), Soft(1) and drum(2))
1-->Kiai activated or not

Any positive number in a green line at the "-100" spot will make it crash
Also 0 or -0 will make it crash

Edit: If the 1/2 DO mean red/green line, this should be able to get achieved, but if it's not, then tere is no way to do this, as a Positive number at the "-100" spot then means BPM, and a negative number means SV change

Also, 30.0x is actually achievable

Change the -100 to -100/30-->3.333

I am fine with 0.01 as minimum (Whis is possible to get by using -10000 at the "-100" spot) , but lower is actually not achievable, as that can then also be used for standard maps, which can cause real weird stuff
zeroclover
mapper can do anything they want baratje

i can make freezing note before in std , even backward note effect in std (but still using SB stuff to do it)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/69803 - sv in std like this (backward approach circle)
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/42267 freezing note, yeah

i support this feature because is fking damn cool
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