Kayano Ai - Oracion(TV-Size) · forum

Fatfan Kolek

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2014-07-14T23:34:45+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Montag, 8. September 2014 at 15:52:23

Artist: Kayano Ai
Title: Oracion(TV-Size)
Source: ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
Tags: -Bakari- KSHR CloudSplash16 Umi No Game No Life ngnl
BPM: 166
Filesize: 13033kb
Play Time: 01:27
Difficulties Available:

Bakari's Easy (1,52 stars, 107 notes)
Cloud's Hard (3,32 stars, 245 notes)
Hard (2,75 stars, 207 notes)
Insane (4,1 stars, 280 notes)
KSHR's Normal (1,95 stars, 135 notes)
Umi's Insane (4,29 stars, 295 notes)

Download: Kayano Ai - Oracion(TV-Size)
Download: Kayano Ai - Oracion(TV-Size) (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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3rd [Best of 2014 #394]

Bakari's Easy - By -Bakari-

KSHR's Normal - By KSHR

Hard - By Fatfan Kolek

Cloud's Hard - By CloudSplash16

Insane - By Fatfan Kolek

Umi's Insane - By Umi

Last edited by Fatfan Kolek 2015-02-01T22:14:23+00:00, edited 39 times in total.

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2014-07-17T19:25:30+00:00

Here's my diff and hitsounds: https://www.mediafire.com/?la40rlgmc7dhtdq
(I hope it's not too hard...)

riffy

osu! Alumni

8,060 posts

Joined December 2010

riffy 2014-07-20T16:47:44+00:00

code

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[Editor]
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Title:Oracion(TV-Size)
TitleUnicode:オラシオン(TV-Size)
Artist:Kayano Ai
ArtistUnicode:茅野愛衣
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:Bakari's Easy
Source:ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
Tags:-Bakari-
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Replaced a few patterns, fixed some weird things

Secretpipe

3,316 posts

Joined December 2012

Secretpipe 2014-07-20T22:35:41+00:00

Yo !
Have a mod !

[General]

Fix AiMod stuff

[Bakari's Easy]

00:00:699 (1) - Add a clap at the end of the slider ?
00:19:494 (1,2,3,4) - I'd make a square
00:46:241 (2) - I'd NC here for keep NC consistent.
00:54:192 (1) - I'd Ctrl+H and then Ctrl+G , it fits better
01:01:060 (2,2) - I'd stack these notes !
01:28:530 - I can hear a beat here ! Add a note ?
Pretty nice diff overall

[KSHR's Normal]

00:51:301 (1,2) - I find that transition a bit weird ! Maybe do a blanket ?
00:55:638 (3,4) - Same here ! A bit weird readeable for a Normal imo.
00:55:638 (3,4) - I'd add a clap here !
01:07:205 - Same as above !
01:18:771 (3,4) - Same as 00:51:301 (1,2) -
01:24:192 - I'd add a clap here !
1 or 2 pattern are weirdly made but the diff is amazing ! Good job !

[Cloud's Hard]

00:14:976 - I'd add a note here ! It wont be overmapped
00:20:217 (3,4,5,6) - I'm sure you can improve the shape ! You can make a square !
00:26:000 (3) - Weird readable imo. I'd Ctrl+g but it'll be too hard for an Hard! Find a solution ?
00:44:253 (6,8) - That overlap! I find it fine but still try to space it
01:06:662 - You can add a note here !
01:14:976 (2,4) - I'd stack these notes !
Awesome flow ! Good job !

[Insane]

I found nothing o.o
Amazing job Nutella-kun !

An amazing mapset ! Every diff looked fine !
Good luck and have a star~

Meg

1,617 posts

Joined August 2012

Meg 2014-07-21T02:12:38+00:00

sorry~ I was sleeping when gave your chat

this map looks fun \:D/
good luck~

kirinokirino

354 posts

Joined June 2011

kirinokirino 2014-07-21T14:38:54+00:00

M4M throught #ModReqs.
My map Drax - Happy Happy Christmas
beforehand, sorry.

Easy
00:53:108 (4) - 2 grid down, also 00:55:638 (3) - x:304 y:112. Then 00:56:723 (4) - x:252 y:348. (with that, distance between these objects 00:52:024 (2,3,4) - nicier)
01:04:313 (3,4,5,1) - would be nice to have clean part of pentagon there.

SPOILER

for that, 01:05:036 (4) - x:132 y:28 | 01:05:397 (5) - x:80 y:100 | 01:05:759 (1) - x:136 y:172 and 01:06:662 (6) - place like that, so keep perfect blanket.

SPOILER

01:14:433 (1,2) - comparing these sliders, second slider looks really bad. (at least for me) can you please make 01:14:433 (1) - stright line with starting point at x:336 y:212 and ending at x:256 y:216?
In general, mappers should be more based on vocal in easier difficulties, I think.

Normal
2 years ago I would diffinitely hate this due to lack of connection between music and map
00:39:735 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - the part I liked, everywhere else I'd mapped diffirently.
sorry, cant help

Hard
awesome map, gj!
00:06:482 (4) - can you replace this with 00:07:566 (7) - copy of that slider, turned by 180 degrees?
00:09:735 (5) - replace with copy of 00:09:373 (4) - that slider, flipped horizontally and turned by 5 degrees? If yes, you can make 00:10:458 (7) - this slider like

that

00:18:590 (8) - there is no sound on slider's end, but there is sound on it's center. And also it's downbeat slider. So maybe do it like that?

SPOILER

00:36:843 (1) - 1 grid right
00:37:927 (4) - replace with copy of 00:37:385 (2) - that slider, flipped vertically and moved 1 grid down.
01:01:783 (7,8) - not nice. Maybe like that?

SPOILER

01:01:783 (7) - x:490 y:80, end - x:411 y:112; 01:02:144 (8) - copy of previous slider, turned by 120 degrees and moved to x:464 y:248

Insane
hitsounds and flow are bad.
I cant see any structure at all.
so, all I can suggest is to delete last slider.
btw, good blankets, but I dont care (becouse cant see any structure at all)

riffy

osu! Alumni

8,060 posts

Joined December 2010

riffy 2014-07-21T17:12:53+00:00

All the hitsound-related part will be fixed and probably rehitsounded later.

Secretpipe wrote:
[Bakari's Easy]
00:00:699 (1) - Add a clap at the end of the slider ?
00:19:494 (1,2,3,4) - I'd make a square wanna keep it this way since it flows better to me
00:46:241 (2) - I'd NC here for keep NC consistent. Consistency? What consistency? According to my pattern there shouldn't be any NC
00:54:192 (1) - I'd Ctrl+H and then Ctrl+G , it fits better I would prefer to keep it this way, it seems to flow better, imo
01:01:060 (2,2) - I'd stack these notes ! the stack wouldn't be visible and same again, flow becomes unpleasant if I move (2)
01:28:530 - I can hear a beat here ! Add a note ? I tried to be consistent with Normal here
Pretty nice diff overall

andrei7 wrote:
Easy
00:53:108 (4) - 2 grid down, also 00:55:638 (3) - x:304 y:112. Then 00:56:723 (4) - x:252 y:348. (with that, distance between these objects 00:52:024 (2,3,4) - nicier) fixed that
01:04:313 (3,4,5,1) - would be nice to have clean part of pentagon there.
SPOILER
for that, 01:05:036 (4) - x:132 y:28 | 01:05:397 (5) - x:80 y:100 | 01:05:759 (1) - x:136 y:172 and 01:06:662 (6) - place like that, so keep perfect blanket.
SPOILER
no for these two, I feel like it is out of my style and doesn't really work here

01:14:433 (1,2) - comparing these sliders, second slider looks really bad. (at least for me) can you please make 01:14:433 (1) - stright line with starting point at x:336 y:212 and ending at x:256 y:216? fixed that with my own idea
In general, mappers should be more based on vocal in easier difficulties, I think. I have a few arguments agains this, we can discuss that in-game if you'd like to

code

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Thanks for the mods, guys!

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2014-07-21T18:57:09+00:00

Secretpipe wrote:
[Cloud's Hard]
00:14:976 - I'd add a note here ! It wont be overmapped I prefer to keep empty beat to make (4) feel stronger.
00:20:217 (3,4,5,6) - I'm sure you can improve the shape ! You can make a square ! I don't think this matters...
00:26:000 (3) - Weird readable imo. I'd Ctrl+g but it'll be too hard for an Hard! Find a solution ? I think it's readable.
00:44:253 (6,8) - That overlap! I find it fine but still try to space it I think it's ok. I want to keep (6) (9) blanket, and also (8) leadin into (9), so there's not much room to move things around.
01:06:662 - You can add a note here ! Same as before.
01:14:976 (2,4) - I'd stack these notes ! I think the flow is better the current way.
Awesome flow ! Good job !

andrei7 wrote:
Hard
awesome map, gj!
00:06:482 (4) - can you replace this with 00:07:566 (7) - copy of that slider, turned by 180 degrees? It doesn't matter.
00:09:735 (5) - replace with copy of 00:09:373 (4) - that slider, flipped horizontally and turned by 5 degrees? If yes, you can make 00:10:458 (7) - this slider like I like it the way it is.
that
00:18:590 (8) - there is no sound on slider's end, but there is sound on it's center. And also it's downbeat slider. So maybe do it like that? Nah, I'm following the electric bass for this, since it has a special rhythm there.
SPOILER
00:36:843 (1) - 1 grid right meh... it doesn't make a difference, but changed for equal spacing.
00:37:927 (4) - replace with copy of 00:37:385 (2) - that slider, flipped vertically and moved 1 grid down. No, I think it's fine the way it is.
01:01:783 (7,8) - not nice. Maybe like that? I think it's fine as it is. This change would make the spacing between (6,7) too big imo, and I think the current positioning flows better.
SPOILER
01:01:783 (7) - x:490 y:80, end - x:411 y:112; 01:02:144 (8) - copy of previous slider, turned by 120 degrees and moved to x:464 y:248

Thanks for mods.
Also fixed a few minor things on my own.

Cloud's Hard

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TitleUnicode:オラシオン(TV-Size)
Artist:Kayano Ai
ArtistUnicode:茅野愛衣
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:Cloud's Hard
Source:ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
Tags:CloudSplash16
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KSHR

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KSHR 2014-07-22T23:23:57+00:00

Secretpipe wrote:
[KSHR's Normal]
00:51:301 (1,2) - I find that transition a bit weird ! Maybe do a blanket ? Fixed
00:55:638 (3,4) - Same here ! A bit weird readeable for a Normal imo. So what is your suggestion? In my opinion, this one should be fine as it is.
00:55:638 (3,4) - I'd add a clap here ! No change since I wanna follow the bass drum by adding only a whistle here.
01:07:205 - Same as above ! Any sounds which is similar to a clap doesn't go here. No change.
01:18:771 (3,4) - Same as 00:51:301 (1,2) - Same as 00:55:638 (3,4) -
01:24:192 - I'd add a clap here ! Same as 01:07:205 - .
1 or 2 pattern are weirdly made but the diff is amazing ! Good job !

andrei7 wrote:
Normal
2 years ago I would diffinitely hate this due to lack of connection between music and map
00:39:735 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - the part I liked, everywhere else I'd mapped diffirently. I think there is just difference between my style and yours from seeing your Normal difficulty in this mapset.
sorry, cant help It's ok.

Thanks for modding, also added a clap to 00:16:060 - on my own.

To Fatfan Kolek:
Unrankable stuff you must fix ↓

Add guest mappers' names into Tags in all difficulties.
Add 1000~1500ms as audio lead in in all difficulties.

+ Stuff you should fix. ↓

Uncheck countdown in the "Design" tab of Song Setup in all difficulties. (Probably you already know why.)
Uncheck Letterbox in the "Design" tab of Song Setup in all difficulties. (This setting doesn't make sense since break times are not included.)

SPOILER

osu file format v13

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Title:Oracion(TV-Size)
TitleUnicode:オラシオン(TV-Size)
Artist:Kayano Ai
ArtistUnicode:茅野愛衣
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:KSHR's Normal
Source:ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
Tags:-Bakari-
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Fatfan Kolek

589 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2014-07-23T00:27:32+00:00

Secretpipe wrote:
[Insane]
I found nothing o.o D:
Amazing job Nutella-kun ! Thank you! <3

An amazing mapset ! Every diff looked fine !
Good luck and have a star~Thanks for this! :3

iMage-- wrote:
sorry~ I was sleeping when gave your chat

this map looks fun \:D/
good luck~ Aww, thanks!

andrei7 wrote:
Insane
hitsounds and flow are bad.
I cant see any structure at all.
so, all I can suggest is to delete last slider.
btw, good blankets, but I dont care (becouse cant see any structure at all) All needs better explanation, LOL. D:

KSHR wrote:
To Fatfan Kolek:
Unrankable stuff you must fix ↓
Add guest mappers' names into Tags in all difficulties. Fixed.
Add 1000~1500ms as audio lead in in all difficulties. Fixed.
+ Stuff you should fix. ↓
Uncheck countdown in the "Design" tab of Song Setup in all difficulties. (Probably you already know why.) Fixed.
Uncheck Letterbox in the "Design" tab of Song Setup in all difficulties. (This setting doesn't make sense since break times are not included.) Fixed.

Added Tags to all difficulties by myself and fixed some things on my map aswell. I'll update as soon as possible if the BSS stops being a BAKA! ;w;

Natsuki Nanaka

460 posts

Joined August 2011

Natsuki Nanaka 2014-07-28T13:23:51+00:00

from M4M pm :3

[Bakari's Easy]

00:05:036(1,2,3) - I perfer to make one slide and copy paste that slide and rotate 120 degree 2 time (120 120 120 = 360)
00:52:747(3,4) - error spacing
00:55:277(2) - forgot hs?
00:59:976(1) - Improve blanket
01:06:843(2) - ^
01:11:542(1,2,3) - ^
01:14:433(1) - soft finish better than
01:18:409(2) - another one forgot hs
01:24:192(2) - Improve blanket and forgot hs
01:25:638(3) - hs too
01:27:445(3) - ^

[KSHR's Normal]
00:25:277(1) - improve blanket

[Cloud's Hard]
00:18:048(6) - move to 356 l l 225 to make square
SPOILER
00:18:590(8) - I perfer to make this patten because 00:18:771 - snare is main beat
SPOILER
01:14:072(4) - Improve blanket
01:18:771(5) - ^

[Insane]
00:27:988(6) - I perfer to remove normal and add soft-whistle It better than
00:43:349(2) - remove whistle on head slide and add normal hs
00:46:241(2) - ^
00:46:602(3) - remove normal hs on head slide
00:54:192(1) - Improve blanket
00:54:554(2,3,4) - nazi spacing
01:05:036 - why not add some note here
01:11:542(1) - move head slide to 352 l l 208 It better blanket
01:14:433(1) - same as Easy
01:23:108(1) - Improve blanket
01:25:638(1,2,3,4,5) - what is this? plese use constant DS
01:26:000(5) - add finish, better than
01:26:723(7,8,9,10) - nazi spacing

Nice song :3

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

Joined October 2011

Cherry Blossom 2014-07-30T18:34:46+00:00

M4M
Tell me why you didn't apply my suggestions please.

Bakari's Easy

00:07:927 (3) - why isnt the same slider as 00:06:482 (2) - , you see the curves are a bit different.
00:10:819 (1,2,3) - same as ^, it might be better if you use ctrl+g and rotate to 120°, to make this pattern nicer
00:23:831 (3,4,5,1) - here you can make a better shape for a better movement, try to adjust a bit these circles, like this
SPOILER
00:39:735 (1,2,3) - here the transition is a bit messed up, why don't to make a straight line instead of this "little zigzag" movement ?
01:14:433 (1) - i'd rather add a normal finish at its beginning, you can hear a powerful note, and a normal finish hitsound can be suitable here, and you added another one here 00:51:301 (1) -

Nothing to say, this diff looks nice, solid diff.

KSHR's Normal

00:34:494 - this is weird, you didnt chose to follow vocals here because you don't want to ignore this note here 00:34:674, but the player will not really think you will follow vocals on the next pattern, and you did follow vocals. Make things consistent ?
Plus, the strong beat here 00:37:566 is ignored, for this case, following the red tick means following vocals, if you followed vocals, the slider were supposed to end here 00:37:747
00:52:024 (2) - here you used a slidertick for a clap hitsound, and here 00:54:735 (2) - you didnt, the clap is at the end, so why don't to make this
SPOILER
01:01:421 - this is the strongest and most powerful note you can hear, it surprised me, i felt it was empty here. So, it should be better if this note is mapped, even though it follows vocals.

Cool diff, things are carefully done.

Cloud's Hard

00:13:711 (1,2) - here you stacked 2 sliders, but this looks out of place, because of the fast patterns you used before, and you didnt stack here 00:15:156 (4,5) - , so make things consistent.
00:27:265 (1,2,3,4,5) - this transition looks odd imo, a triplet is difficult to handle, and there is also a jump after, this is a bit poisonous don't you think ? x), i'd rather see this note 00:27:626 (4) - with an equal distance as 00:27:807 (5) - and 00:27:445 (3) - , for a better movement.
01:25:819 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is weird, this part does not have any jumps, compared of the patterns you used before, this part does not sound calm, so adding some jumps should be fine.

This diff looks nice, i didn't really like some transitions but it's just my own opinion. Also, the jump between this diff and Normal is not natural, jumps are a bit overused, and they rather make this diff look like a soft insane.
I agree that a Hard diff needs jumps, but if you don't use them sparingly, you will make a soft insane.
Few mappers decide to make a soft-insane instead of a Hard for their mapset because they also make a Normal diff which is harder than a traditional one, but i think it was not intentional to make a soft-insane for this one, am i right ?

Insane

00:06:482 (1,2) - i don't recommend to use a 3/4 slider here, there is nothing audible on the blue tick, and a note you dodged on this red tick here 00:06:662 , so it will be rather better if you use a 1/2 slider instead.
00:10:096 (3,1,2,3) - this jump looks weird and confusing, because there is a 1/1 gap here 00:07:205 (4,1) - for the same sound, so reduce the distance between 00:10:096 (3,1) - to show there is a 1/2 gap.
00:11:903 (6,1) - same as i said before, for 3/4s, and many more.
00:16:512 (7,1) - move these objects a bit downward for a better shape.
00:23:108 (3) - i'd rather put this circle above 00:22:747 (2) - for a better flow, and zigzag movement.
00:38:831 (2,3) - i'd rather see a higher distance between these objects, you used jumps everywhere before, and this looks like an antijump for a powerful note, so it seems inconsistent.
00:49:494 (1,1) - were they supposed to be at the center ? they are not.
01:00:879 (5,6,7) - the required movement here is really hard, it is difficult to handle these notes, try something else, not a trapeze movement.
01:03:952 (6,7) - try ctrl+g here, this current pattern is really confusing imo because there is an unexpected antijump which is counter-intuitive

I didn't really like this diff, there is nothing unrankable or tricky, but the major issue is that there are objects which are randomnly placed just for the sake of blankets and visual, and this is not really a good deal because it forces you to use a random spacing and ruin the flow, in few cases.
They are few weird jumps/antijumps that make this diff even difficult to read, and not comfortable to play, and few transitions which can be improved to make this diff more attractive and funny.

Umi's Insane

COUCOU UMI
/me runs

Bref, je t'ai prévenu qu'il y aura beaucoup de rouge de ta part, donc je vais un peu limiter la casse en argumentant chaque choses...

00:13:350 (5) - pourquoi pas faire un courbe avec ce slider ? ça reste dans la "continuité" de ton pattern grâce à ce slider 00:12:627 (2) - , puis un courbe donne un meilleur flow qu'un slider droit, pour introduire le prochain slider, dans le cas de ce pattern.
00:31:602 (2,3,4,5) - ce jump est plus ou moins mal fait, pas par la forme mais par le movement, je veux dire, ça force le joueur à faire des mouvements circulaires alors que ce jump a plutot une forme de rectangle.
Donc ce que je te propose de faire, c'est tout simplement de manipuler un peu le ctrl+g ou refaire le jump pattern pour faire en sorte qu'il n'y ait plus trop de mouvements circulaire qui sont plus ou moins, dur à faire. Et qu'il y ait plutot des mouvement en zigzags etc. si tu vois ce que je veux dire.
00:41:361 (2,3) - ici tu peux faire quelque chose de mieux élaboré (ouai j'ai pas précisé pour les patterns précédent mais ça sentait le rouge incoming), tu as la possibilité de faire quelque chose de + "doux" du genre quelque chose comme ça
SPOILER
01:22:566 (4,5) - ici le stack rend mal le pattern, durant tout le kiai time tu as mis des jumps partout, et j'ai l'impression qu'en voyant ce stack, ça n'a pas sa place ici, pourquoi pas refaire des jumps comme tu le faisais pour les patterns précédents ?
01:27:445 (1) - cette note est autant puissante que 01:27:626 (2) - , donc il serait plus logique s'il y aurait une plus grande distance entre ces 2 notes là 01:27:084 (5,1) - pour mieux mettre en valeur les deux dernières notes.

Bref, je vais pas te le cacher, comme le dirait rezoons c'est du tv size mapping ftw !!!!
Bref srsly, la diff est sympa à jouer et se joue plus ou moins bien, mais y'a beaucoup de choses maladroitement faits et qui ne sont pas très beau à voir, donc cette diff devrait être + polished, mais depuis un bail, l'esthétisme n'est pas Umi /me runs
Sinon, j'ai eu ma dose de tv size pour aujourd'hui.

I hope it was useful
Good Luck.

Fatfan Kolek

589 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2014-07-30T19:36:33+00:00

Insane

00:06:482 (1,2) - i don't recommend to use a 3/4 slider here, there is nothing audible on the blue tick, and a note you dodged on this red tick here 00:06:662 , so it will be rather better if you use a 1/2 slider instead. Fixed.
00:10:096 (3,1,2,3) - this jump looks weird and confusing, because there is a 1/1 gap here 00:07:205 (4,1) - for the same sound, so reduce the distance between 00:10:096 (3,1) - to show there is a 1/2 gap. Fixed.
00:11:903 (6,1) - same as i said before, for 3/4s, and many more. Fixed.
00:16:512 (7,1) - move these objects a bit downward for a better shape. Fixed.
00:23:108 (3) - i'd rather put this circle above 00:22:747 (2) - for a better flow, and zigzag movement. Fixed.
00:38:831 (2,3) - i'd rather see a higher distance between these objects, you used jumps everywhere before, and this looks like an antijump for a powerful note, so it seems inconsistent.Fixed.
00:49:494 (1,1) - were they supposed to be at the center ? they are not.Fixed, lol.
01:00:879 (5,6,7) - the required movement here is really hard, it is difficult to handle these notes, try something else, not a trapeze movement. For me personally it plays quite good. I have nothing bad to say about this pattern, so I keep it! :3
01:03:952 (6,7) - try ctrl+g here, this current pattern is really confusing imo because there is an unexpected antijump which is counter-intuitive Fixed.

I didn't really like this diff, there is nothing unrankable or tricky, but the major issue is that there are objects which are randomnly placed just for the sake of blankets and visual, and this is not really a good deal because it forces you to use a random spacing and ruin the flow, in few cases.
They are few weird jumps/antijumps that make this diff even difficult to read, and not comfortable to play, and few transitions which can be improved to make this diff more attractive and funny.

Can't agree more honestly. I mapped this for the sake of "style" and I haven't thought much about it playwise. Fortunately you gave me this mod and I improved it a lot now with suitable jumps and better patterns flowise. I beg you to recheck it, so that we maybe can discuss more! :3 Thank you so far, Great Mod!

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2014-07-30T20:02:46+00:00

- N a n a k a -

- N a n a k a - wrote:
[Cloud's Hard]
[*]00:18:048(6) - move to 356 l l 225 to make square No.
SPOILER
[*]00:18:590(8) - I perfer to make this patten because 00:18:771 - snare is main beat I prefer to match electric bass here
SPOILER
[*]01:14:072(4) - Improve blanket ok.
[*]01:18:771(5) - ^ ok

Cherry Blossom

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Cloud's Hard
00:13:711 (1,2) - here you stacked 2 sliders, but this looks out of place, because of the fast patterns you used before, and you didnt stack here 00:15:156 (4,5) - , so make things consistent. Sure, I guess I'll change that.
00:27:265 (1,2,3,4,5) - this transition looks odd imo, a triplet is difficult to handle, and there is also a jump after, this is a bit poisonous don't you think ? x), i'd rather see this note 00:27:626 (4) - with an equal distance as 00:27:807 (5) - and 00:27:445 (3) - , for a better movement. The jump was intentional for emphasis of that accented beat, but I suppose the movement was awkward, so I've reduced it.
01:25:819 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - this is weird, this part does not have any jumps, compared of the patterns you used before, this part does not sound calm, so adding some jumps should be fine. Lack of jumps here is for extra contrast from 01:23:650 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) since this part (1,2,3,4,5,6) is much smoother in the music.

This diff looks nice, i didn't really like some transitions but it's just my own opinion. Also, the jump between this diff and Normal is not natural, jumps are a bit overused, and they rather make this diff look like a soft insane.
I agree that a Hard diff needs jumps, but if you don't use them sparingly, you will make a soft insane.
Few mappers decide to make a soft-insane instead of a Hard for their mapset because they also make a Normal diff which is harder than a traditional one, but i think it was not intentional to make a soft-insane for this one, am i right ? I know this is harder than a typical Hard, but I think that this fits the difficulty spread, as both Insane maps in this set are quite hard. The diff above this one has a lot of difficult reading/flows, so I think this Hard is a reasonable fit.

Thanks for modding!

Cloud's Hard

osu file format v13

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TitleUnicode:オラシオン(TV-Size)
Artist:Kayano Ai
ArtistUnicode:茅野愛衣
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:Cloud's Hard
Source:ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
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Darcsol

277 posts

Joined January 2010

Darcsol 2014-08-01T05:40:08+00:00

M4M request

[General]

This mapset is comprised of guest diffs. Is there a reason for it?
(Optional) I recommend finding a creditless video for it. I doubt there's any out there, but my option is there.
1. (Optional) 01:14:253 - I personally would move the preview point to 00:51:120 .

[Bakari's Easy]

Nothing wrong here. Good diff.

[KSHR's Normal]

Nothing wrong here, but beats like 00:06:482 (1) - 00:20:578 (2) - are barely in the playing field. Not a problem, but it's something to watch out. Good diff though.

[Cloud's Hard]

This diff feels a lot harder than it should be. Maybe it's just me.
1. 01:23:650 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - While I personally don't have a problem playing this part, majority of hard diffs don't cover up approaching sliders underneath other sliders. I highly recommend making them more visible. This is okay in more insane diffs, but not hard diffs.

[Insane]

This diff has no downtime. Even in an insane diff like Umi's, there are moments where you can easily hit some beats before reaching a difficult part. Maybe it's just me, but it's something to consider.
A lot of jumps felt awkward and confusing because how objects were placed. It kills pacing and the flow feels nonexistent. You mentioned "style" in your response from the other modder. I like to hear your definition of "style", because it might hamper the potential of this diff.
There are a lot 3/4 objects in this diff. The majority of them are redundant and makes the diff unnecessarily more difficult. I highly suggest removing the majority of them.
1. 00:06:482 (1,2) - The (2) is closer to (1) than (3). Spacing?
2. 00:07:205 (4) - Is there a reason why this slider is shaped like that? You only done this three more times throughout the map: 00:57:807 (3) - 01:12:988 (2) - 01:14:433 (1) - It doesn't fit and it's unnecessary. I recommend making the sliders curved.
3. 00:10:638 (1,2) - Either remove the (2) circle or add two circles at 00:07:747
4. 00:16:602 - It's jarring that throughout this part, the pacing increases from the beginning. It doesn't feel right, as this is the most calming part of the song.
5. 01:25:638 (1,2,3,4) - This stream looks awkward. Realign them?
6. 01:27:807 (2) - This slider is unnecessary. Remove it for consistency with the other diffs.

[Umi's Insane]

This is what an insane diff should be. No problems here. Fun too.

My pet peeve is the Insane diff. I might do a follow up post to check how things are going. For now this will do.

Happy mapping

Fatfan Kolek

589 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2014-08-01T12:08:05+00:00

Darcsol wrote:
M4M request

[General]
This mapset is comprised of guest diffs. Is there a reason for it? Uuuhm, dunno. D: Maybe because I'm lazy or so.
(Optional) I recommend finding a creditless video for it. I doubt there's any out there, but my option is there.

(Optional) 01:14:253 - I personally would move the preview point to 00:51:120 . No. The current preview point is better in my opinion. :3
[Insane]
This diff has no downtime. Even in an insane diff like Umi's, there are moments where you can easily hit some beats before reaching a difficult part. Maybe it's just me, but it's something to consider. Fixed.
A lot of jumps felt awkward and confusing because how objects were placed. It kills pacing and the flow feels nonexistent. You mentioned "style" in your response from the other modder. I like to hear your definition of "style", because it might hamper the potential of this diff. Mmh, honestly.. I don't really know my own definition of style. I guess it's like blanking or using the same spot from notes which are used before.
There are a lot 3/4 objects in this diff. The majority of them are redundant and makes the diff unnecessarily more difficult. I highly suggest removing the majority of them. Well, they're following the voice and I placed them from slider to slider only. So, this isn't a big deal imo. D:

00:06:482 (1,2) - The (2) is closer to (1) than (3). Spacing? Fixed.
00:07:205 (4) - Is there a reason why this slider is shaped like that? You only done this three more times throughout the map: 00:57:807 (3) - 01:12:988 (2) - 01:14:433 (1) - It doesn't fit and it's unnecessary. I recommend making the sliders curved. Does it really matter? D: Before modding this difficulty consisted of curvy sliders only. Not a single red note were used. But I'm ok with the outcome now and I leave it this way since it doesn't affect gameplay or anything.
00:10:638 (1,2) - Either remove the (2) circle or add two circles at 00:07:747 No change, because I'm not sure about both options lol. Personally I like how it plays at the moment.
00:16:602 - It's jarring that throughout this part, the pacing increases from the beginning. It doesn't feel right, as this is the most calming part of the song. Ok, I see, tried to fix it.
01:25:638 (1,2,3,4) - This stream looks awkward. Realign them? No, the spacing is supposed to be lower on the curve to make it easier to play it.
01:27:807 (2) - This slider is unnecessary. Remove it for consistency with the other diffs.This is mentioned so often, but I wanna keep it please. ;w;

Cherry Blossom

3,185 posts

Joined October 2011

Cherry Blossom 2014-08-01T12:31:07+00:00

Quick recheck on Insane as requested, no kd please.

You ignored few strong beats.

00:44:072 (1) - here, you missed this stong beat here 00:44:253, it should be audible for your hitsounding pattern.
00:55:096 (4) - here too ^
01:12:988 (2) - same as ^ for 01:13:168
01:18:229 (3) - same as ^ for 01:18:409
01:03:952 (6,7) - this is a bit messed up here, i think the clap was supposed to be here 01:03:952 (6) - ?

Fatfan Kolek

589 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2014-08-01T13:29:26+00:00

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Quick recheck on Insane as requested, no kd please.

You ignored few strong beats.
00:44:072 (1) - here, you missed this stong beat here 00:44:253, it should be audible for your hitsounding pattern. Fixed.
00:55:096 (4) - here too ^ Fixed.
01:12:988 (2) - same as ^ for 01:13:168For me following the voice here is more important, so I keep my current pattern. :3
01:18:229 (3) - same as ^ for 01:18:409 ^
01:03:952 (6,7) - this is a bit messed up here, i think the clap was supposed to be here 01:03:952 (6) - ? Fixed.

Thanks for rechecking! :3

Umi

2,478 posts

Joined November 2012

Umi 2014-08-01T13:59:19+00:00

Cherry Blossom wrote:
Umi's Insane

COUCOU UMI COUCOU CB
/me runs

Bref, je t'ai prévenu qu'il y aura beaucoup de rouge de ta part, donc je vais un peu limiter la casse en argumentant chaque choses...
00:13:350 (5) - pourquoi pas faire un courbe avec ce slider ? ça reste dans la "continuité" de ton pattern grâce à ce slider 00:12:627 (2) - , puis un courbe donne un meilleur flow qu'un slider droit, pour introduire le prochain slider, dans le cas de ce pattern. yup ok
00:31:602 (2,3,4,5) - ce jump est plus ou moins mal fait, pas par la forme mais par le movement, je veux dire, ça force le joueur à faire des mouvements circulaires alors que ce jump a plutot une forme de rectangle. ça devrait etre mieux now
Donc ce que je te propose de faire, c'est tout simplement de manipuler un peu le ctrl+g ou refaire le jump pattern pour faire en sorte qu'il n'y ait plus trop de mouvements circulaire qui sont plus ou moins, dur à faire. Et qu'il y ait plutot des mouvement en zigzags etc. si tu vois ce que je veux dire.
00:41:361 (2,3) - ici tu peux faire quelque chose de mieux élaboré (ouai j'ai pas précisé pour les patterns précédent mais ça sentait le rouge incoming), tu as la possibilité de faire quelque chose de + "doux" du genre quelque chose comme ça nice fixed
SPOILER
01:22:566 (4,5) - ici le stack rend mal le pattern, durant tout le kiai time tu as mis des jumps partout, et j'ai l'impression qu'en voyant ce stack, ça n'a pas sa place ici, pourquoi pas refaire des jumps comme tu le faisais pour les patterns précédents ? et ça c'est quoi 01:12:626 (6,7) - :p perso je trouve que ça se joue bien
01:27:445 (1) - cette note est autant puissante que 01:27:626 (2) - , donc il serait plus logique s'il y aurait une plus grande distance entre ces 2 notes là 01:27:084 (5,1) - pour mieux mettre en valeur les deux dernières notes. c'est parce que c'est le final donc pour le dernier jump doit etre plus important, j'ai juste un peu bougé (1)

Bref, je vais pas te le cacher, comme le dirait rezoons c'est du tv size mapping ftw !!!! t'entend quoi par tv size mapping faUdra m'expliquer un jour ~
Bref srsly, la diff est sympa à jouer et se joue plus ou moins bien, mais y'a beaucoup de choses maladroitement faits et qui ne sont pas très beau à voir, donc cette diff devrait être + polished, mais depuis un bail, l'esthétisme n'est pas Umi /me runs retire ça de suite si y'a bien quelqu'un qui s'applique pour tout ce qui est blanket stack symmetrie et possitionnement généralement c'est moi alors fuck !
Sinon, j'ai eu ma dose de tv size pour aujourd'hui.

I hope it was useful
Good Luck.

thx CB c'était c'est pas mal utile

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riffy

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riffy 2014-08-01T14:32:58+00:00

Cherry Blossom wrote:
M4M
Tell me why you didn't apply my suggestions please.

- N a n a k a - wrote:
from M4M pm :3
[Bakari's Easy]
00:05:036(1,2,3) - I perfer to make one slide and copy paste that slide and rotate 120 degree 2 time (120 120 120 = 360) I'd prefer not to. Current pattern seesms cool to me, sorry
00:52:747(3,4) - error spacing whoops
00:55:277(2) - forgot hs? I'm still re-working them @.@
00:59:976(1) - Improve blanket
01:06:843(2) - ^
01:11:542(1,2,3) - ^
01:14:433(1) - soft finish better than
01:18:409(2) - another one forgot hs
01:24:192(2) - Improve blanket and forgot hs this one is fine
01:25:638(3) - hs too
01:27:445(3) - ^

Nice song :3
Bakari's Easy
00:07:927 (3) - why isnt the same slider as 00:06:482 (2) - , you see the curves are a bit different. the difference is hard to spot, bu tokay, let's fix that
00:10:819 (1,2,3) - same as ^, it might be better if you use ctrl+g and rotate to 120°, to make this pattern nicer okay
00:23:831 (3,4,5,1) - here you can make a better shape for a better movement, try to adjust a bit these circles, like this I prefr it as they're now, sorry
00:39:735 (1,2,3) - here the transition is a bit messed up, why don't to make a straight line instead of this "little zigzag" movement ? because I wanted this zigzag movement here. I'll consider changing it, but not now, sorry
01:14:433 (1) - i'd rather add a normal finish at its beginning, you can hear a powerful note, and a normal finish hitsound can be suitable here, and you added another one here 00:51:301 (1) - I'll re-hitsound it

Nothing to say, this diff looks nice, solid diff.

Thank you for mods!

code

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Title:Oracion(TV-Size)
TitleUnicode:オラシオン(TV-Size)
Artist:Kayano Ai
ArtistUnicode:茅野愛衣
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:Bakari's Easy
Source:ノーゲーム・ノーライフ
Tags:-Bakari- KSHR CloudSplash16 Umi No Game No Life ngnl
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