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B1rd
I posted some Donald Trump memes in Tuuba ITT, a couple people got offended because they needed a "recuperate" from Donald Trump winning, and so the server owner elected to make the forum a safe space and to delete my posts, so I left. Even though I was one of the first people who came up with the idea of having the new forum so we wouldn't have to suffer under capricious unilateral decision making of moderators.

Oh and I remember, you were one of the two people calling for a safe space.
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

I posted some Donald Trump memes in Tuuba ITT, a couple people got offended because they needed a "recuperate" from Donald Trump winning, and so the server owner elected to make the forum a safe space and to delete my posts, so I left. Even though I was one of the first people who came up with the idea of having the new forum so we wouldn't have to suffer under capricious unilateral decision making of moderators.

Oh and I remember, you were one of the two people calling for a safe space.

tbf you kept provoking other people and literally couldn't help yourself from just following the rules that you'd been told to go by.

respecting other people's wishes is the absolute basics of socialising, if you can't do that at least at some level, you're doing something wrong. It seems like you wanted tuuba to be the same as 4chan, but there's a big difference between those two websites- don't compare them just because you like how 4chan does things
Tupsu

B1rd wrote:

I posted some Donald Trump memes in Tuuba ITT, a couple people got offended because they needed a "recuperate" from Donald Trump winning, and so the server owner elected to make the forum a safe space and to delete my posts, so I left. Even though I was one of the first people who came up with the idea of having the new forum so we wouldn't have to suffer under capricious unilateral decision making of moderators.

Oh and I remember, you were one of the two people calling for a safe space.
your only removed posts were those where you provided fanart of me and granger
your precious and beloved trump memes are still right there, look https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?pid=35791#p35791
stop trying to pretend like your punishment wasn't caused by you being a dickwaffle directly at other people
t. the "server admin" who is currently discussing this matter with me and like four other OT regulars

ps. the fact that 'politics should be in GD' is not enforced in these forums is the main reason keeping me away from here
B1rd

Tupsu wrote:

your only removed posts were those where you provided fanart of me and granger
your precious and beloved trump memes are still right there, look https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?pid=35791#p35791
stop trying to pretend like your punishment wasn't caused by you being a dickwaffle directly at other people
t. the "server admin" who is currently discussing this matter with me and like four other OT regulars

ps. the fact that 'politics should be in GD' is not enforced in these forums is the main reason keeping me away from here
Copy pasting your avatar isn't "fanart"

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.

He elected to make the forum a safespace, violate the general and all-purpose nature of ITT, and try to segregate discussion, which as I have already stated in detailed arguments, doesn't work when you have such a small community.

And I should remind you that there were people who found you obnoxious, but neither me nor anyone else called for you to have your posts deleted or anything along that nature, did we?


DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

tbf you kept provoking other people and literally couldn't help yourself from just following the rules that you'd been told to go by.

respecting other people's wishes is the absolute basics of socialising, if you can't do that at least at some level, you're doing something wrong. It seems like you wanted tuuba to be the same as 4chan, but there's a big difference between those two websites- don't compare them just because you like how 4chan does things
I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".

Respecting people's wishes is a two-way street. I'm not going to suddenly stop posting memes about one of the biggest events of the decade or be cordoned off to a containment zone because a couple of people didn't like it. Most people didn't care/supported Trump so there was no justification to ban it. Unlike what you say, there was a general expectation of free discussion and laissez-faire moderation, because one of the main reasons the forum was founded in the first place was because of overbearing moderation here. I thought that we would have a democratic way to sort out Tuuba policy. But no, I learned the hard way that that you can't trust anyone with power unless you have a physical stake in it yourself.

There's always going to be a degree of drama and personality clashes in any online community. In instances like this, having the administrator take sides is not productive.
Tupsu

B1rd wrote:

Copy pasting your avatar isn't "fanart"
yes, but "insulting edit" doesn't quite have the same vibe to it

B1rd wrote:

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.
yes, you've exposed the vile IppE and his secret plan all along - he was just trying to amass a harem of cute girls by acting as the true and noble white knight and handing out coloured flairs on an internet shitposting forum
at least IppE is capable of drawing basic logical conclusions, which you've failed to prove thus far both in this friendly discussion and in those of our past

see, herein lies the difference between us two: I know where to stop
after I was called out by both administration and other users, I stopped bullying boat, and I'm currently even giving him a second chance that he really doesn't particularly deserve with secret santa :)

B1rd wrote:

He elected to make the forum a safespace, violate the general and all-purpose nature of ITT, and try to segregate discussion, which as I have already stated in detailed arguments, doesn't work when you have such a small community.
ah, yes, the fabled tuuba safe space with its politically correct swastikas, constant jew and kebab removal jokes, and - what's this here?

B1rd wrote:

And I should remind you that there were people who found you obnoxious, but neither me nor anyone else called for you to have your posts deleted or anything along that nature, did we?
you mean aside from earlier this year when boat called for me to be banned and then publicly verbally attacked me, earning him a several month cooldown with severely restricted permisisons? yeah, nah, never happened

I can't be fucked to pick through the rest of your shit, sorry love
we are also breaking the one golden rule of this thread, so here's some enjoyable media which I enjoy for everyone else to watch while this blows over
B1rd

Tupsu wrote:

yes, you've exposed the vile IppE and his secret plan all along - he was just trying to amass a harem of cute girls by acting as the true and noble white knight and handing out coloured flairs on an internet shitposting forum
at least IppE is capable of drawing basic logical conclusions, which you've failed to prove thus far both in this friendly discussion and in those of our past

see, herein lies the difference between us two: I know where to stop
after I was called out by both administration and other users, I stopped bullying boat, and I'm currently even giving him a second chance that he really doesn't particularly deserve with secret santa :)

ah, yes, the fabled tuuba safe space with its politically correct swastikas, constant jew and kebab removal jokes, and - what's this here?

you mean aside from earlier this year when boat called for me to be banned and then publicly verbally attacked me, earning him a several month cooldown with severely restricted permisisons? yeah, nah, never happened
How am I supposed to know what happened several months after I left, genius? And go figure that Trash Boat is the one to suffer repercussions for "verbally abusing" you. Oh it must have be so terrible for you to suffer the online outburst of one mentally challenged individual whom you bullied for an extended period of time. Go have a cry.

No, it's you and IppE who are unable to create any logical conclusions, or come up with any arguments to justify your actions besides "m-muh feelings". Don't try to shift things around and make them out to be something else, the entire incident was centred around being able to post memes and jokes in ITT. It wasn't about me "hurting your feelings" or "going too far". The fact that you still have "political" content like stupid edgy jokes is just another example of your inconsistency when it comes to the "rules", in that you can have all the political bullshit you want, just as long as it isn't about Trump and as long as it doesn't offend a certain vocal minority group.

The "rules" are tantamount to "do what I say, don't say anything I don't want you to say or say anything that my arbitrarily decided in-group doesn't want you to say". There is no impartiality, there is no objective criteria or ruleset which creates an environment which is to the benefit of the majority, only a stupid little autocracy in which the few remaining members can have their circlejerk after they have long driven everyone else away.
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".
Why did you "need to verify them"? You don't post CP to verifying that posting that isn't okay, lol. Just admit that you made poor judgement and screwed up instead of reframing it like you had a good reason to go against what a staff member was telling you to do.
B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

B1rd wrote:

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".
Why did you "need to verify them"? You don't post CP to verifying that posting that isn't okay, lol. Just admit that you made poor judgement and screwed up instead of reframing it like you had a good reason to go against what a staff member was telling you to do.
You really don't have any idea what happened to be able to make any conclusive judgements on the issue.
DaddyCoolVipper
I've seen the posts myself, though. You were acting like an ass in a small community, what do you expect?
B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I've seen the posts myself, though. You were acting like an ass in a small community, what do you expect?
That's just a gross oversimplification and misinterpretation of the events. I might explain everything to you except I've done it a lot of times already, and I know you're strongly anti free speech anyway.
DaddyCoolVipper

B1rd wrote:

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I've seen the posts myself, though. You were acting like an ass in a small community, what do you expect?
That's just a gross oversimplification and misinterpretation of the events. I might explain everything to you except I've done it a lot of times already, and I know you're strongly anti free speech anyway.
I just think you've misunderstood the nature of forums in general. "Free speech" doesn't exist, and other websites aren't the same as 4chan. I know you strongly value the anonymity and culture that 4chan provides, but it just doesn't work the same way when everyone socialises with their own identities.
B1rd

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

I just think you've misunderstood the nature of forums in general. "Free speech" doesn't exist, and other websites aren't the same as 4chan. I know you strongly value the anonymity and culture that 4chan provides, but it just doesn't work the same way when everyone socialises with their own identities.
And it wasn't even about "me being an ass" (which is completely subjective, btw). The reason was literally because I was posting Trump memes, not directed at anyone, and a vocal minority were complaining about their safe space was being invaded and that certain forms of politics be banned from Tuuba's ITT. That is why I mocked those two and they definitely deserved it.

And yet you don't realise the nature of why the Tuuba forum was founded in the first place. That was one of the main reasons it was founded, to get away from meddling moderators who had no idea what they were doing. Free speech works fine in forums, you're exercising de facto free-speech right now by virtue of the fact that no one is repressing it. The only reason it's popular on image boards in because the anonymity protects the users and site from prosecution. It's rare of forums that you actually need moderation because forums are for the most part self-regulating. And that was definitely the case with Tuuba, it was only a couple people bitching when they could have just ignored posts they didn't like, like everyone else does, and there wouldn't have been a problem. It would have blown over in a week. But no, because some idiot decides to enforce his will upon everyone - by virtue of the fact that by chance he was the server owner - it had to cause such a drama and make me leave the server. Not because there was any vote, or consensus (by no means was I alone in my opinion), that what I was posting ought to be banned, but because one guy on the behest of a vocal minority decided it. Actions like that are completely out of place in a forum that small, and it betrayed the purpose from which the forum was founded. The need for hierarchy has an inverse relationship with the number of people in a community, and I have been a part of MMO clans with more members than that yet without any centralised governance - everything being voluntary.

Yeah, the essential reason why I wanted the community to create it's own forum is because I hate writing long, detailed posts, and then have them disappear like people taken by the fucking Gestapo in the night, then wonder if I actually posted what I thought I did, and eventually have to back up all larger posts lest they be deleted and I lose their contents forever. That's not the type of environment I ever want to be in. It's cancer. But apparently, power corrupts and you can't even trust people you know to be fair and impartial once they have it.
Aurani
Listen Bird, mate, I'm your biggest supporter and even I believe you did step over the line and from there on started victimising yourself. Just please don't go into the uncanny valley and merge your politics with the whole tuuba deal. That's why people are being like this towards you.

Yes, deleting your posts might've been an exaggeration, but that does not mean you bear no guilt, either. The only thing that happened here is a lack of communication and too much hubris.
Be a man and show some humility. Trust me, it doesn't mean you're wrong, it means you're above the pettiness and whatever display this is.
Cynplytholowazy
ITT 2: We post shit that is neither funny nor interesting
Milkshake
Green Platinum
I'm surprised that Tuuba board is still around
Tupsu

Green Platinum wrote:

I'm surprised that Tuuba board is still around
why wouldn't it be? #tuuba has been around for years and has a group of devotees around it, hence it would only make sense that a forum stemmed from that group is also fairly resilient (though I'll admit before anyone else that it's quiet in there at the moment)
I'm personally waiting for the new forum design to come out and the obvious peak in activity that will come with it - tbf that was why that forum was made in the first place, so I'm not sure why anyone'd be surprised about it being quiet in there with this place still being useable
B1rd
I wonder if it's quiet because you alienated half the userbase

hmm...
Railey2

B1rd wrote:

Free speech works fine in forums, you're exercising de facto free-speech right now by virtue of the fact that no one is repressing it.
Getting banned from a forum for voicing unpopular opinions/being annoying is not a violation of free speech, and neither is getting your posts removed. Getting arrested by the state for voicing an unpopular opinion is a violation of free speech. Forums got nothing to do with it.


B1rd wrote:

The "rules" are tantamount to "do what I say, don't say anything I don't want you to say or say anything that my arbitrarily decided in-group doesn't want you to say".
Yes, that's kind of how it works when you have a small circle of people that just want to be among themselves and aren't looking for annoying, drawn-out fights. Tuuba is a forum for said in-group. If you don't fit and constantly clash with other users, you are no longer wanted. This is no different to how it works irl, by the way. You consistently provocate people and generally act in annoying ways? Eventually you're gonna get kicked out. Would you then complain about "missing impartiality" the same way you're complaining here? Have some common sense, man.


Here you even admit to being an annoying prick:

B1rd wrote:

And it wasn't even about "me being an ass" (which is completely subjective, btw). The reason was literally because I was posting Trump memes, not directed at anyone, and a vocal minority were complaining about their safe space was being invaded and that certain forms of politics be banned from Tuuba's ITT. That is why I mocked those two and they definitely deserved it.
Yeah, you being an ass is subjectiv, that's the whole point! It's subjective to THEM, so THEY removed your stuff because THEY don't want to deal with annoying shit.

But to sum this up: You broke the rules by posting politics in a place where it wasn't wanted. In other words: You were being annoying, even more so after mocking them afterwards. Now you double down on it by basically calling them all pussies who need "safe spaces" (very patronizing). Charming as always.

Are you really surprised that they wanted to get rid of you?

But this is the kicker:

B1rd wrote:

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".
who on earth does something like that? Being annoying on purpose to verify the rules, excuse me what? No wonder they deleted your shit, lol.

Do you not have any experience with RL social interaction? Are you a sociopath? What's going on here?




I really don't dislike you that much, in my book you're just one hell of a weird guy. But damn this looks like you really need to get out of your cave.
B1rd

Railey2 wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Free speech works fine in forums, you're exercising de facto free-speech right now by virtue of the fact that no one is repressing it.
Getting banned from a forum for voicing unpopular opinions/being annoying is not a violation of free speech. Getting arrested by the state for voicing an unpopular opinion is a violation of free speech. Forums got nothing to do with it.


B1rd wrote:

The "rules" are tantamount to "do what I say, don't say anything I don't want you to say or say anything that my arbitrarily decided in-group doesn't want you to say".
Yes, that's kind of how it works when you have a small circle of people that just want to be among themselves and aren't looking for annoying, drawn-out fights. Tuuba is a forum for said in-group. If you don't fit and constantly clash with other users, you are no longer wanted. This is no different to how it works irl, by the way. You consistently provocate people and generally act in annoying ways? Eventually you're gonna get kicked out. Would you then complain about "missing impartiality" the same way you're complaining here? Have some common sense, man.


Here you even admit to being an annoying prick:

B1rd wrote:

And it wasn't even about "me being an ass" (which is completely subjective, btw). The reason was literally because I was posting Trump memes, not directed at anyone, and a vocal minority were complaining about their safe space was being invaded and that certain forms of politics be banned from Tuuba's ITT. That is why I mocked those two and they definitely deserved it.
Yeah, you being an ass is subjectiv, that's the whole point! It's subjective to THEM, so THEY banned YOU because THEY don't want to deal with ASSES.

But to sum this up: You broke the rules by posting politics in a place where it wasn't wanted. In other words: You were being annoying, even more so after mocking them afterwards. Now you double down on it by basically calling them all pussies who need "safe spaces" (very patronizing). Charming as always.

Are you really surprised that they wanted to get rid of you?

But this is the kicker:

B1rd wrote:

I only provoked other people because I needed to verify the "rules".
who on earth does something like that? Being annoying on purpose to verify the rules, excuse me what? No wonder they banned you, lol.

Do you not have any experience with RL social interaction? Are you a sociopath? What's going on here?




I really don't dislike you that much, in my book you're just one hell of a weird guy. But damn this looks like you really need to get out of your cave. You got banned on fucking tuuba my man. If that's not a sign that you need to reconsider your life choices, then I don't know what is.

Your post is wrong in many areas. Read all sides, not just one PM from a biased individual.

You are wrong because

-I didn't get banned, I left
-free speech is an ideal that has more implications than only being about state protection for individuals
-there was no collective "them", my posts were deleted by one person, and there were only three people who that were being vocal against my posts. There were people that support/supported me. I was always arguing for a democratic system to decide matters instead of an autocratic system. A majority ruling on conduct I could have accepted
-there were no formal "rules" put in place. Only the server administrator saying I should do this as the drama came up but there was no mention of formal ruleset which I must obey. The suggestions of one individual, whether he owns the server or not, isn't rule of law


The argument was over a specific set of political content, Trump memes, because that very specific content offended a minority of left-wingers who said they were feeling emotionally fragile because of the election, while I was feeling jubilant. I wasn't seeking to cause controversy, only share my feelings on a momentous event such as is the purpose of such forums. If Hillary had won, no doubt they would be ecstatic and be posting about it in ITT, and no doubt I would be feeling depressed, yet I wouldn't ever think to try and ban them from posting because it hurt my feelings. Just because a minority is offended by something, doesn't give said minority the right to enforce their special interests upon the majority. It's the same as you hear with the feminists constantly escalating standards of behaviour on the majority ad nauseum: trigger warnings, how men sit in trains, what people are allowed to joke about, what haircuts and Halloween costumes people are allowed to wear, et cetera. This behaviour is the very definition of a space space and I refuse to take part in a forum which institutes a safe space. The people were free to go to any other part of the forum besides a general thread specifically for general and all-purpose discussion, and I wouldn't have posted anything that offended them there. As I've pointed out many times, having a small minority of people be able to ban content they don't like is a completely illogical and dysfunctional system to put in place. If they were able to ban things that offended them, why weren't I allowed to call for bans on content they posted that offended me and other people? It's a completely logically inconsistent way to run a forum, but I have received no rebuttal to this point. It's a shining example of having a general rule (no political content) that is inconsistently applied and thus a mark of corruption in which one special interest group is allowed to oppress another group they don't like. IppE himself stated that he never was against all political content, only a certain type of political content, and the criteria that defined which political content wasn't allowed seemed to be determined solely on whether it offended a certain minority group.
To have well-functioning system of governance of any kind, it is essential to have impartiality as a corner stone, and this was not present in Tuuba.


The reason I put a provocative post - which was not just edgy and offensive, but which some Tuuba members said was funny, it was satirical and relevant - was because I don't operate in environments with threats looming above my head. I had to see whether the statements were actual threats or just suggestions, the latter of which I can respect.

I get sick of your bias against me in all matters. It is tedious. In this instance I'm right, it was nothing short of a betrayal; I helped found the forum, I donated money to help with the server costs, I was an active member who tried to contribute in the ways that I can, and I helped draft the rules and I worked in my position as a moderator as much as I could to advocate for and to maintain an environment that featured a diverse range of high-quality discussion, in which everyone's right to post was respected and which was mutually beneficial for everyone. I noted all my experiences of how forums work, how good discussions in a forum spring up and are maintained, and tried to implement that in a practical way. But it was trying to achieve that end - trying to inject some integrity into a forum rather than have it devolve in to a petty autocracy as is so common with forums and people with power in forums - that I was ousted. Indeed, maybe I can be overly-provocative at times and need to keep that in mind so I don't needlessly create an unpleasant environment for other people, but I don't take back anything I said (that I can remember), because there were indeed some whiny people who wanted a safe space and deserved to be the target of satire and banter, such as is common in any social environment. No matter which way you cut it, I'm the one who was treated unfairly here.


I implore you to read what I wrote carefully, because in this instance I'd rather not provoke antagonism but rather want to make people aware of what really happened.
DaddyCoolVipper
I feel like if you and a few other people really couldn't stand seeing certain types of posts, and conplined to the admin about it, then that admin quarantining those posts types to a particular thread is a fairly reasonable thing to do. That's all this situation was, really.


I also think you should take a step back and stop with the constant "safe space" mockery- let's not communicate in 4chan memes here, these are real people who just didn't want to see a type of content in ITT since it would often derail discussion.

Remember that "they deserved it" is entirely subjective on your end, too.
B1rd
Safe spaces are real concepts, unironically pursued by some people. Not just a 4chan meme. I've never been a poster on 4chan by the way.

I know what your position on free speech is. But I think most people would agree that generally that it's better if everyone can post something even if offends a minority group, than for every minority to be able to stifle the speech of the majority for arbitrary reasons until pretty much no one can posts about anything. How do we determine if someone is genuinely offended or not? It's arbitrary and ambiguous and not a good rule. And I'm not sure you'd be consistent about your approach on that since what the "other" group was talking about was transexual stuff, which wasn't pleasant for me and other people to listen to. If you just say that the opinion of the LGBT group has by default more importance than the conservative Christian values group, (which let's be honest, you probably would), then you're just arbitrarily favouring one group over another. And I think most people would agree that codes of conduct on speech shouldn't be based on identity politics, but rather should be universal for everyone.

Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything. People will not post in this ITT thread for a week and then complain because a couple people talked about politics in it. It's silly, really.
Tupsu

B1rd wrote:

Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything. People will not post in this ITT thread for a week and then complain because a couple people talked about politics in it. It's silly, really.

B1rd wrote:

I wonder if it's quiet because you alienated half the userbase

hmm...
:)
B1rd

Tupsu wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything. People will not post in this ITT thread for a week and then complain because a couple people talked about politics in it. It's silly, really.

B1rd wrote:

I wonder if it's quiet because you alienated half the userbase

hmm...
:)
Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.
abraker

B1rd wrote:

Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything.
Feels like a challange.

Let's to turn this thread in a counting thread.
Alexkuzi
abraker is a furry lover! :oops:
DaddyCoolVipper

abraker wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Also, it's impossible to derail ITT. It's a general topic for everything.
Feels like a challange.

Let's to turn this thread in a counting thread.

Why would you pick the most boring possible subject for a derail? Kys
Alexkuzi
[lucky:1337]Nintendo Switch!!![/lucky:1337] HEY ABRAKER! You're A Furry lover!
abraker

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

Why would you pick the most boring possible subject for a derail? Kys
death to ITT2

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Alexkuzi

abraker wrote:

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

Why would you pick the most boring possible subject for a derail? Kys
death to ITT2

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Railey2

B1rd wrote:

Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.
Yeah, if you open a thread and see two pages of politics in a clearly heated discussion, the probability of you dropping a lighthearted comment inbetween is exactly the same as if you open a thread where everyone is just chatting away, light-heartedly. I don't think so.

Don't pretend like politics doesn't alienate a good part of the userbase, and I'm not arguing that we should stop going on about politics, but at least be honest here.


ANYWAY

I get it, you feel like you got treated unfairly, and maybe that is true or maybe it is not. I can't really tell, as I'm not willing to go on tuuba to check, but I can tell you one thing: Your attitude is off the fucking rails. That's what my post was mainly about, whether or not you were treated unfairly on tuuba, you CLEARLY have a lot to sort out regardless. If you ask me, you need to spend some more time with people and learn how to get along instead of reading questionable articles about macroeconomics and systems of governance.

I am sure that this issue was something that could have been figured out with some PMs (the right PMs), but instead you do this:

B1rd wrote:

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.
Do you listen to yourself sometimes? Jesus Christ man.

Tuuba is just a small forum with people that try to get along, yeah? Meanwhile, this is what you have to say about it:

B1rd wrote:

To have well-functioning system of governance of any kind, it is essential to have impartiality as a corner stone, and this was not present in Tuuba.
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: You're living in your own crazy world. Step out of it sometime, see that whoever you're talking to is a person as well. Sometimes they get annoyed, sometimes they lash out, and if you treat them well they will probably get along with you.

Not everything has to be seen through the lense of theoretical, detached and convoluted sociological theory. Just try to be a bit more normal, yeah?
abraker
b1rd should make his own forum
FuZ
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Alexkuzi

abraker wrote:

b1rd should make his own forum
Abraker Is A Furry Lover confirmed!!! 8-)
B1rd

Railey2 wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Yes, by the mere act of posting something we're oppressing other people and stopping them posting about what they want to post about, exactly the same as banning people and deleting posts. Right. Impeccable logic.
Yeah, if you open a thread and see two pages of politics in a clearly heated discussion, the probability of you dropping a lighthearted comment inbetween is exactly the same as if you open a thread where everyone is just chatting away, light-heartedly. I don't think so.

Don't pretend like politics doesn't alienate a good part of the userbase, and I'm not arguing that we should stop going on about politics, but at least be honest here.


ANYWAY

I get it, you feel like you got treated unfairly, and maybe that is true or maybe it is not. I can't really tell, as I'm not willing to go on tuuba to check, but I can tell you one thing: Your attitude is off the fucking rails. That's what my post was mainly about, whether or not you were treated unfairly on tuuba, you CLEARLY have a lot to sort out regardless. If you ask me, you need to spend some more time with people and learn how to get along instead of reading questionable articles about macroeconomics and systems of governance.

I am sure that this issue was something that could have been figured out with some PMs (the right PMs), but instead you do this:

B1rd wrote:

I realise that IppE never cared about being consistent with his rules, all he wanted to do was white knight and "protect" the precious snowflakes you and Granger from the danger of memes and mockery because obviously you can't handle it. Although, obviously when you attack and insult Trash Boat, that's a different story because people don't like Trash Boat? You fucking hypocrite. Go back to your hole. IppE has degree of logical retardation on the level of feminists, and that's apparent from having discussions with him. He doesn't have the mental faculties needed to be in charge of anything.
Do you listen to yourself sometimes? Jesus Christ man.

Tuuba is just a small forum with people that try to get along, yeah? Meanwhile, this is what you have to say about it:

B1rd wrote:

To have well-functioning system of governance of any kind, it is essential to have impartiality as a corner stone, and this was not present in Tuuba.
I've said it before and I'm going to say it again: You're living in your own crazy world. Step out of it sometime, see that whoever you're talking to is a person as well. Sometimes they get annoyed, sometimes they lash out, and if you treat them well they will probably get along with you.

Not everything has to be seen through the lense of theoretical, detached and convoluted sociological theory. Just try to be a bit more normal, yeah?
Well people are certainly capable of ignoring certain posts and in Tuuba there was definitely occasions with two or more separate discussions going on in one thread. To be honest, I'm not sure if people unable to master this skill are people I care about preventing being alienated. But regardless, political discussions are few and far between and they're not stopping people from shitposting for 90% of the time. And the thing with the Tuuba community is you didn't have such a big dichotomy between shitposters/social posters and abstract economic theory posters (and that's really giving credit to the discussions we have here). We could actually have conversations about relevant and meaningful facets of daily life and the discussion was more often on a midpoint of intellectual stimulation rather than being on one of the two extremes we have here.

I'm not crazy just because I'm slightly more preoccupied with abstract ideals than normal and actually use them to influence my day-to-day behaviour rather than keeping it at the ballot box. If anything, my experiences on Tuuba just show the necessity of a solid set of ideals. Take free speech: whenever there is talk about any complicated or controversial issues, a degree of conflict is unavoidable. Thus there must be a system in place that protects the speech of the minority from the majority, i.e. free speech, so that it doesn't quickly devolve into a tyranny of the majority where dissent is not tolerated. That is true for both society and a forum where you want to have a high standard of discussion. So I think abstract ideals have a very prominent role to play in making society, internet communities or whatever a better place. Of course you can argue specifics but that's a simplified overview. And really, for tyranny to flourish it's necessary for morality, ideals and philosophy to be corrupted or for there to be a lack of those things in the first place. And you may think I'm being melodramatic by constantly bringing up tyranny, but I'm not. What I said about the necessity of ideals to ward off tyranny is true and factual, and it was less than a century ago where tens of millions of people died because of tyranny. So no, I don't think it's wrong to be concerned about abstract things, or make a big deal over seemingly small things for the sake if ideals. Just read the Gulag Archipelago.

I also don't know how you can say it's normal for people to lash out and then demonise me for getting angry. Getting angry a year after the fact isn't the reason for the problem, and regardless if I ability to post constantly relies on my ability to butter other people up, then that's a place that I don't want to be in in the first place. And maybe I'm not human enough to be able to tell, but is basically getting ejected from a community you've been part of for a number of years not a cause for someone to be angry? Just think of it as me injecting some humanity in what would otherwise no doubt be a robotic and monotonous tone. No I'm not particularly extraverted or agreeable towards other people, but not everyone needs to be. Different personalities have different pros/cons. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with me. (and trust me I have plenty of things wrong with me, but it's not in regard to what we've been talking about.)

As a last note, I've been up for a while so my posting may be somewhat more incoherent than normal.
DaddyCoolVipper
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Milkshake
listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
Alexkuzi
OOH NO!
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Milkshake wrote:

listen birdie, I guess some people here already told you that but I think you're taking this incident far too personally. I can get why you were pissed your post was deleted, but you're blowing it out of proportions. you need to choose what to spend your energy on wisely. I know many people here have bad blood with you, but I'm saying this as I feel completely neutral- this could've ended in a happier, faster and easier way. apologizing and compromising over these kind of things doesn't mean you're going back on your word, it just means you're mature enough to understand that this is petty stuff to get so, so serious about. Tuuba in the end was founded to have a chill, small community of the "oldfags" (and some newer people as well of course) and of course that this kind of drama is bound to happen because everyone knows everyone, but mate, it's been a goddamn year- that's dragging it far too much.
the funniest thing is all this was triggered by me just posting a link to the forums
I (and everyone else off tuuba as far as I can tell) really don't care about him to the degree he seems to think

anyway
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