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Fursum

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Fursum 2017-09-21T14:32:30+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 8:39:47 PM

Artist: Rezonate
Title: The Journey
Tags: saturnalize coconut milk 4some chill vocals Austin Rafuse Lauren Neate
BPM: 125
Filesize: 8585kb
Play Time: 05:03
Difficulties Available:

The Destination (3.49 stars, 719 notes)

Download: Rezonate - The Journey
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Collab with 4some and coconut milk

Rezonate Maplist

Rebirth

Canvas

The Phoenix

collab parts

00:01:994 - 4some
02:10:634 - coconut milk
02:41:354 - 4some
03:26:474 - coconut milk
04:13:514 - 4some

Metadata stuff

https://www.soundcloud.com/monstercat/04-rezonate-the-journey
https://www.beatport.com/track/the-jour ... ix/5102818
http://music.monstercat.com/track/the-journey
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/prelu ... d806305956
put the vocalists in the tags

laziest marathon map

thank voli and cv

Last edited by Fursum 2018-02-24T16:19:29+00:00, edited 34 times in total.

Fursum

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Fursum 2017-09-24T14:40:10+00:00

dear saturnalize
pls finish ur part
sincerely, ur friedn

Seolv

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Seolv 2017-10-11T14:19:11+00:00

M4M

The Destination

00:13:274 (3) - Spacing too big
00:43:754 (4) - Spacing too small
02:07:994 (3) - The sound on the arrow is stronger than the sound where the slider began, unrankable
03:15:434 (5,6) - This should be equal spacing
03:29:114 (3) - This flow is kinda uncomfortable, place it somewhere else
I don't get why you didn't map the last 30 seconds, either map it or cut the mp3 to make the file smaller and faster to download

Fursum

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Fursum 2017-10-11T20:22:44+00:00

[ L u k a s ] wrote:
M4M

The Destination
00:13:274 (3) - Spacing too big
00:43:754 (4) - Spacing too small
02:07:994 (3) - The sound on the arrow is stronger than the sound where the slider began, unrankable
changed but why is it unrankable03:15:434 (5,6) - This should be equal spacing i think the emphasis is fine regarding the vocals and not just the percussion, plus its the start of a new measure so the jump on the triple supports the emphasis on it. I don't get why you didn't map the last 30 seconds, either map it or cut the mp3 to make the file smaller and faster to download i still use more than 85% of the map even with the intro gap also cant really cut the piano part without losing the approval length or being really awkward unless i add like a white noise

Zelzatter Zero

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Zelzatter Zero 2017-10-19T16:16:07+00:00

Hi M4M
[General]
Why did you think AR9 is good for Hard diff? AR7 is better.
[The Destination]
00:09:434 (4,5) - Add blanket.
00:10:634 (5,7) - ^
00:57:194 (5,1) - ^
00:57:194 (5,2) - Make this symmetrical. (after you do the previous mod)
02:04:634 (6,1) - Add blanket
ok thats it

Rieri

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Joined December 2014

Rieri 2017-10-29T22:01:51+00:00

irc

16:28 *ProEzreal is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1419986 Rezonate - The Journey [The Destination]]
16:28 Fursum: oh sure
16:29 ProEzreal: im going to make general comments because the map itself doesnt look too bad
16:29 ProEzreal: and point out examples in your map
16:29 ProEzreal: is that okay?
16:29 Fursum: alright
16:29 Fursum: oh wait i forgot it was a collab
16:29 Fursum: lol
16:29 ProEzreal: ohhhhhh
16:29 ProEzreal: LOL
16:30 ProEzreal: so
16:30 ProEzreal: which parts are yours?
16:30 ProEzreal: nvm
16:30 ProEzreal: i found it
16:30 Fursum: everything except kiai and 03:42:794 - 04:13:514 -
16:30 Fursum: that section
16:31 ProEzreal: okay
16:31 ProEzreal: so first of all
16:31 ProEzreal: blankets
16:31 Fursum: dem
16:31 ProEzreal: some are off, so check all of it and sorta polish the map
16:32 ProEzreal: 00:11:354 (7) - here, I would make it flow the other way, make the slider point downwards
16:32 ProEzreal: it gives good flow and since you have that circular flow going on for the last couple of sliders
16:32 ProEzreal: it would be nice to continue it
16:33 Fursum: i broke it just before as well tho
16:33 Fursum: 00:09:434 (4) - here
16:33 Fursum: that section doesnt have much circular flow going on as well
16:33 ProEzreal: this isnt that big imo because it connects nicely unlike the awkward flow on 00:10:634 (5,6,7) - 
16:33 Fursum: so i guess i can break the whole pattern
16:34 Fursum: hmm what about the stack?
16:34 Fursum: nvm i have 00:08:714 (2,3) -
16:34 ProEzreal: you can leave the stack, just point the slider down or something like that
16:34 Fursum: i guess i can do the other way
16:34 Fursum: and break the other circular flows
16:35 Fursum: cause that suits the section better
16:35 ProEzreal: alright
16:36 ProEzreal: and for calm sections like this, i prefer having distance snap on on most cases
16:36 ProEzreal: 00:08:714 (2,3,4) - like here
16:36 ProEzreal: the distance isnt equal
16:37 ProEzreal: you dont always have to keep the distance equal but for adjacent placement, it's nice to keep equal distance
16:37 ProEzreal: 00:09:434 (4,5) - this is fine cuz its intentionally placed like this
16:37 Fursum: yeah visual spacing applies for that
16:39 Fursum: hmm i need to spare some time to sort out them
16:39 ProEzreal: 00:59:114 (5,1) - uhm this is very misleading in terms of rhythm
16:40 ProEzreal: people could think there's a 1/4 gap in between, not a 1/2
16:40 Fursum: wdym
16:40 Fursum: oh
16:40 Fursum: i had some testplayers, they didnt seem to have much trouble
16:41 ProEzreal: i get that you're trying to differentiate the missing instrumentals
16:41 Fursum: as the rythm is the same all the time and ar is higher
16:41 Fursum: for the bpm
16:41 ProEzreal: I still think it's better to keep it definite instead of ambiguous
16:41 ProEzreal: so a solution to that could be stacking it on the end of the slider
16:41 Fursum: so, full stack?
16:42 ProEzreal: or you could just give a bit more space to keep it from overlapping
16:42 Fursum: got it
16:43 ProEzreal: 01:28:394 (1) - feels like this would stump me while playing but
16:43 ProEzreal: your choice i guess
16:43 Fursum: hmm, manual stack?
16:44 ProEzreal: uhm, either different placement or just leave it
16:45 ProEzreal: 01:56:174 (3) - I'm not sure why this is snapped to 1/8, you can still represent the vocals by placing it on the downbeat
16:46 Fursum: feels weirder imo
16:46 Fursum: cause there are no instruments for feedback
16:46 ProEzreal: well you can extend the slider then
16:48 Fursum: sure
16:48 ProEzreal: welp
16:48 ProEzreal: it is your choice
16:49 ProEzreal: skipping kiai
16:49 Fursum: okay
16:50 Fursum: tho if you want i can convey
16:50 ProEzreal: i made a seperate section on the post
16:51 ProEzreal: ill post the irc we are doing right now and the other parts
16:51 Fursum: sure that works
16:52 ProEzreal: 03:32:234 (5,6) - pairs like these would look better when they're the same shape or they lose meaning
16:52 ProEzreal: it feels random
16:53 Fursum: oh thats the collab as well
16:53 ProEzreal: ah
16:53 ProEzreal: okay
16:53 Fursum: 04:13:514 - ends here
16:55 ProEzreal:  04:25:034 (4,5) - consistency 04:26:954 (1,2) - 
16:55 ProEzreal: 04:28:154 (5) - keeping red nodes on the center helps with aesthetics
16:55 Fursum: oh
16:55 Fursum: yea
16:55 ProEzreal: but i guess it depends on the person though
16:56 ProEzreal: if you find it appealing to you, you can leave it
16:56 ProEzreal: 04:32:714 (1,2) - 
16:56 Fursum: well they are meant to be asymmetrical
16:56 ProEzreal: oh
16:56 ProEzreal: well then that's fine
16:56 ProEzreal: So a general tip when mapping, plan out certain patterns first
16:56 ProEzreal: like the 3/4 circle thing
16:57 ProEzreal: if you're gonna stack it, keep it stacked, if not, keep consistency with it
16:57 Fursum: ah, which one again
16:57 Fursum: o okay
16:57 ProEzreal: like 04:32:714 (1,2) -
16:57 Fursum: that one
16:58 ProEzreal: yea because sometimes you stack it and sometimes you dont
16:58 Fursum: yep stacked all
16:58 ProEzreal: unless you have a clear meaning or intention on them
16:58 ProEzreal: its always good to keep consistency
16:59 ProEzreal: alright
16:59 ProEzreal: i think that's it
16:59 ProEzreal: i like the song
16:59 Fursum: alright thanks :p

other parts.

02:25:154 (4,5) - either stack this or give more space. make it definite
03:32:234 (5,6) - pairs like these seem random and they lose meaning, make the sliders identical.
04:12:794 (3) - same thing here

cool song, good luck

Saturnalize

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Saturnalize 2017-10-30T15:27:23+00:00

uncomfy: moved, should be better now
stack or no stack: no stack and separated a bit so it looks more visible
slider consistency: ok

https://saturnalize.s-ul.eu/IMUWhfb8.osu

Cerulean Veyron

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Cerulean Veyron 2017-11-01T19:26:08+00:00

4mode

[- -

The Destination - -]

00:33:554 - I can really tell that the vocals certainly land on this spot of the 1/4 tick. Maybe you might wanna add a circle here in order to follow it? Might also wanna look out for the jump and distance spacing if applying or something unusual.
00:38:954 (2,4) - 00:42:794 (2,4) - I get to see complete slider overlaps regardless of the approach rate and appearance. But to assure you of something that's merely close to unrankability, there's a rule about it that should probably be unavoidable. So after reading the last sentence of the last rule, you may wanna at least try overlapping the other way around by moving or rotating, whatever ways to counter this issue.
00:52:394 (2,3,4) - I know what you're trying to intend here, but this can visually be a little tricky in distance spacing and placements of the circles on this part. I mean like, their placements are merely equal by the looks of it but the snapping is pretty different despite approach rate between these notes. I'd suggest spacing out 00:52:394 (2,3) - or keep up the anti-spacing with 00:51:914 (1,2) - .
01:08:474 (4,5) - Could actually space this out slightly around 1.8x distance spacing in order to consist with the other 1/4 slider+circle composition. Currently, it's not as dense as 01:00:794 (4,5) -, or 01:16:154 (4,5) -, or any similar parts further. Therefore, this part is the only one with the lowest intensity of the ride sounds in the song track.
01:42:794 (4) - 02:44:234 (2) - Okay so... These two repeated sliders' tail sounds on 01:43:754 - and 02:45:194 - are pretty much impeccable in audibility. They do feel that it really needs to be clickable at some point of the song track's section here having its pitch quite high, rather than just sounding similar. So maybe you could just remove the reverse arrow, and add a circle after it over these two parts.
01:56:174 (3) - Hearing this part with a lower playback rate of 50%, the vocals did not actually land on the 1/8 snapping as it is supposed to be. So how this slider started up is way too early to follow it. I would recommend moving it onward to the casual white tick on 01:56:234 -. To be honest, there are barely any 1/8 snapping over vocals in this song track.
02:02:954 (1) - What does this slider kick is suppose to follow, out of all certainty? There's actually no instruments that lands over 1/4 ticks on this particular section. So it'd be best to remove this slider kick and replace it to a singular circle. That way, the rhythm composition won't be very awkward to hear during gameplay or being offbeat.
02:28:274 (2,3) - 02:30:194 (2,3) - 02:34:034 (2,3) - 02:35:954 (2,3) - 02:37:874 (2,3) - etc.. I doubt it. I personally think this kind of circle streams don't seem right though, like you have the two 1/4 circles after these streams around a verse of the difficulty and it's definitely flawed out and not very reflective to the song track's main melody towards rhythm and structure. I would highly recommend turning these two circles in the stream into a 1/4 slider kick, and with that it would make the stream more introspective and recognizable so players don't get confused by the inaudible or low-volumes hi-hats in the background of the song track.
03:56:954 (7,8) - 04:12:314 (2,3) - What are you actually trying to follow here? Couldn't really hear any 1/4 notes, or barely hear any, around these two sections, so I don't get why would you added these 1/4 repeated sliders over the two parts. I would suggest following the deep ride sound in the song track that sounds pretty audible over these two parts, you might wanna try out something like this in a matter of rhythm composition. You can possibly try different rhythm in your way as long as this issue resolves.
04:53:354 (1,2) - 04:55:274 (2,3) - Well, what a strange overlapping between two sliders. It's not technically bad after all, but it seems really strange that even the borders of the first 4/1 sliders completely touches off each different directional curve. I'm not sure if you do really intend to keep this one up, as if this structure as well flows really weird and steep at some point.

shows promise aye. hmu for rechck or whenever the map is rdy

Fursum

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Fursum 2017-11-01T20:16:36+00:00

Cerulean Veyron wrote:
4mode

[- - The Destination - -]
00:33:554 - I can really tell that the vocals certainly land on this spot of the 1/4 tick. Maybe you might wanna add a circle here in order to follow it? Might also wanna look out for the jump and distance spacing if applying or something unusual. That would make the vocal a double, doesnt sound bad in no context however that would stand out as I tried to avoid higher density and i dont have any 1/4 actives until kiai. I initially wanted to introduce them though sticked to the 1/2s as the rythm change didnt feel like it was justified by the song, the intro is surely not the place i want to do that.
00:38:954 (2,4) - 00:42:794 (2,4) - I get to see complete slider overlaps regardless of the approach rate and appearance. But to assure you of something that's merely close to unrankability, there's a rule about it that should probably be unavoidable. So after reading the last sentence of the last rule, you may wanna at least try overlapping the other way around by moving or rotating, whatever ways to counter this issue. Added overlaps for some overlap progression (hardly) at 01:09:194 -
00:52:394 (2,3,4) - I know what you're trying to intend here, but this can visually be a little tricky in distance spacing and placements of the circles on this part. I mean like, their placements are merely equal by the looks of it but the snapping is pretty different despite approach rate between these notes. I'd suggest spacing out 00:52:394 (2,3) - or keep up the anti-spacing with 00:51:914 (1,2) - . spaced out (2,3) and stacked (1,2) more to have a little more contrast
01:08:474 (4,5) - Could actually space this out slightly around 1.8x distance spacing in order to consist with the other 1/4 slider+circle composition. Currently, it's not as dense as 01:00:794 (4,5) -, or 01:16:154 (4,5) -, or any similar parts further. Therefore, this part is the only one with the lowest intensity of the ride sounds in the song track. Kinda confused by the intensity point, the note number is the same just the spacings are different. But on the first one, theres the slider leniency that decreases the movement, second one is already on a more intense section.
01:42:794 (4) - 02:44:234 (2) - Okay so... These two repeated sliders' tail sounds on 01:43:754 - and 02:45:194 - are pretty much impeccable in audibility. They do feel that it really needs to be clickable at some point of the song track's section here having its pitch quite high, rather than just sounding similar. So maybe you could just remove the reverse arrow, and add a circle after it over these two parts. Hmm, didnt really want to do that, but i guess i can add clicks to the higher pitched reverses.
01:56:174 (3) - Hearing this part with a lower playback rate of 50%, the vocals did not actually land on the 1/8 snapping as it is supposed to be. So how this slider started up is way too early to follow it. I would recommend moving it onward to the casual white tick on 01:56:234 -. To be honest, there are barely any 1/8 snapping over vocals in this song track. The one at 01:59:654 (2) - isnt on 1/8 as well but not on the either 1/4s so i guess that one isnt much of an issue, tried to adjust the spacing on that a bit
02:02:954 (1) - What does this slider kick is suppose to follow, out of all certainty? There's actually no instruments that lands over 1/4 ticks on this particular section. So it'd be best to remove this slider kick and replace it to a singular circle. That way, the rhythm composition won't be very awkward to hear during gameplay or being offbeat. I wanted to highlight the organ thing, I was going to silence their ends tho just the circles work well enough too I guess
04:53:354 (1,2) - 04:55:274 (2,3) - Well, what a strange overlapping between two sliders. It's not technically bad after all, but it seems really strange that even the borders of the first 4/1 sliders completely touches off each different directional curve. I'm not sure if you do really intend to keep this one up, as if this structure as well flows really weird and steep at some point. idk why i kept them as well xd changed stuff

shows promise aye. hmu for rechck or whenever the map is rdy

thanks owo

Milan-

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Milan- 2017-11-01T23:33:14+00:00

ar 9 is too high for a low bpm and difficulty map, 8 or even lower sounds more reasonable

-00:09:434 (4) - 00:17:114 (4) - if you were trying to map vocals, i'd go with http://puu.sh/ycCUA/79b1c1a20e.jpg the vocal at the downbeat is pretty prominent
-00:35:114 (1,2) - suddenly stop mapping vocals for no reason, why ;;
-00:52:874 (3) - nc would be nice for the change in patterning
-00:59:114 (5,1) - i think i get what you try to do with this, but using the same spacing with 01:00:074 (2) - destroys the idea. try something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9448653 maybe, also you could lower the sv a bit for the combo, would fit the missing melody nice i think. same with similar stuff later
-01:27:914 (5,1) - why tho, doesnt seem to much sense with anything so far ugu
-01:39:434 (1,1) - try the other way around, circle then slider, fits way better the fast verse
-01:59:114 (1,2,3) - prioritize gameplay over random vocals snapping ;; like http://puu.sh/ycDuy/1ec77dd330.jpg sounds fitting
-02:08:714 (5) - this note feels more like a ghost note, because it just maps the initial vocal but you ignore the rest of the verse uh
-02:40:874 (5,1,1,1) - try using visual constant spacing, like http://puu.sh/ycDGZ/4531d03488.jpg . looks better tbh
-also not sure why you didnt start the nc spam from 02:40:874 (5) - , also not sure why 02:42:314 - isnt 0.75x to keep slowing down till the melody change at 02:42:794 - , also not sure why 02:43:754 (1) - isnt just a circle if you're just mapping the electronic sound melody thingy just like 02:45:194 (4) -
-03:28:394 (1) - cancel nc or add to the others later
-03:44:474 (5) - nc
-03:50:474 (1) - 2 circles would fit the intensity better as both sounds are equally important

some parts arent really consistent spacing-wise within the map, even if it's a collab, spacing should still be somewhat consistent imo. for example the kiai, where the first part uses overlapped 1/4 like 02:11:114 (2,3,4) - then the second part doesnt do that in patterns like 02:31:754 (1,2,3) - but in others do; and then you can compared to the previous section which is really calm but uses spacing like 01:55:274 (1,2,3,4) - which is rlly confusing compared to everything else uhm

Saturnalize

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Saturnalize 2017-11-02T08:33:46+00:00

Cerulean Veyron wrote:
02:28:274 (2,3) - 02:30:194 (2,3) - 02:34:034 (2,3) - 02:35:954 (2,3) - 02:37:874 (2,3) - etc.. I doubt it. I personally think this kind of circle streams don't seem right though, like you have the two 1/4 circles after these streams around a verse of the difficulty and it's definitely flawed out and not very reflective to the song track's main melody towards rhythm and structure. I would highly recommend turning these two circles in the stream into a 1/4 slider kick, and with that it would make the stream more introspective and recognizable so players don't get confused by the inaudible or low-volumes hi-hats in the background of the song track.

- link Based on the picture, the part I really want to highlight (by clicking) is the purple one.
However, since the kick is also strong enough, indicated by blue, I want to include it also as a click.
To make things less crowded, I decided to merge 02:27:914 (1,2) - as one slider because the syncopation gave by the purple note is more interesting rather than a bland click on 1/2 (ain't this a tv size, yo). Now we have the rest of planned notes, which is 02:28:274 (3,1,1) - (based on the pic alright). As mentioned before,
I want to highlight the purple note by click, and the blue kick by click too. Hence the triplet.

Assuming you feel this triplet is too sudden and overpowering the difficulty compared to the rest of the diff, 1/4 kick will not be a sufficient solution, as 02:28:514 (1) - needs to be highlighted in order to create a nice click syncopation.

Also, 02:28:274 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - (real map) are supposed to be 3 > 2 > 1 click lmao but oh well

However, to reduce the denseness of this part (which I assume the root of the problem here), I decided to merge the note mentioned into 1 1/4 slider, followed by a circle. The reason is already stated above.

03:56:954 (7,8) - 04:12:314 (2,3) - What are you actually trying to follow here? Couldn't really hear any 1/4 notes, or barely hear any, around these two sections, so I don't get why would you added these 1/4 repeated sliders over the two parts. I would suggest following the deep ride sound in the song track that sounds pretty audible over these two parts, you might wanna try out something like this in a matter of rhythm composition. You can possibly try different rhythm in your way as long as this issue resolves. - idk which ride, but hey there's electric guitar let's follow it instead

Milan- wrote:
-03:28:394 (1) - cancel nc or add to the others later - wtf is happening
-03:50:474 (1) - 2 circles would fit the intensity better as both sounds are equally important - ain't me gonna do it, the trumpet is actually playing legato, breaking it into a two independent circle would ruin the intention of the slider (following the trumpet legato). However, no normal whistle body because it's too harsh in sound.

some parts arent really consistent spacing-wise within the map, even if it's a collab, spacing should still be somewhat consistent imo. for example the kiai, where the first part uses overlapped 1/4 like 02:11:114 (2,3,4) - then the second part doesnt do that in patterns like 02:31:754 (1,2,3) - but in others do;
The parts mentioned are actually my part and here's the clarification: the overlap 1/4 occurs in the notes mentioned and the rest are due to the fact that it corporates two different sound (soft cloudy synth epi and kick). Separating these overlap will give the suggestion that the highlighting is very strong, which is not my intention. It's different compared to the latter example you pick, which corporates the same thing (brighter thick epi). In term of volume as well, they're louder as it's playing higher notes. That's why I'm giving them space, to really highlight the fact that this is the more powerful highlight.

and then you can compared to the previous section which is really calm but uses spacing like 01:55:274 (1,2,3,4) - which is rlly confusing compared to everything else uhm - fursum what do you do

https://saturnalize.s-ul.eu/yPnAUt4d.osu

Fursum

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Topic Starter

Fursum 2017-11-02T13:32:44+00:00

Milan- wrote:
ar 9 is too high for a low bpm and difficulty map, 8 or even lower sounds more reasonable 8

-00:09:434 (4) - 00:17:114 (4) - if you were trying to map vocals, i'd go with http://puu.sh/ycCUA/79b1c1a20e.jpg the vocal at the downbeat is pretty prominent hmm, i dont think they are worth a click as they are more like an exhale after the vocal end, but added a slider end
-00:35:114 (1,2) - suddenly stop mapping vocals for no reason, why ;; well i didnt completely ignore the vocals, i still mapped them while having a transition to the instruments for the next section
-00:52:874 (3) - nc would be nice for the change in patterning ncd
-00:59:114 (5,1) - i think i get what you try to do with this, but using the same spacing with 01:00:074 (2) - destroys the idea. try something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9448653 maybe, also you could lower the sv a bit for the combo, would fit the missing melody nice i think. same with similar stuff later overlapped because the lack of percussion, the next note has the percussion so why not continue the pattern
-01:27:914 (5,1) - why tho, doesnt seem to much sense with anything so far ugu tried to highlight the echoing vocal
-01:39:434 (1,1) - try the other way around, circle then slider, fits way better the fast verse made the last 1/2 sliders 2 circle instead
-01:59:114 (1,2,3) - prioritize gameplay over random vocals snapping ;; like http://puu.sh/ycDuy/1ec77dd330.jpg sounds fitting ok
-02:08:714 (5) - this note feels more like a ghost note, because it just maps the initial vocal but you ignore the rest of the verse uh changed the last note to slider end
-02:40:874 (5,1,1,1) - try using visual constant spacing, like http://puu.sh/ycDGZ/4531d03488.jpg . looks better tbh yes
-also not sure why you didnt start the nc spam from 02:40:874 (5) - , also not sure why 02:42:314 - isnt 0.75x to keep slowing down till the melody change at 02:42:794 - , also not sure why 02:43:754 (1) - isnt just a circle if you're just mapping the electronic sound melody thingy just like 02:45:194 (4) - changed stuff

some parts arent really consistent spacing-wise within the map, even if it's a collab, spacing should still be somewhat consistent imo. for example the kiai, where the first part uses overlapped 1/4 like 02:11:114 (2,3,4) - then the second part doesnt do that in patterns like 02:31:754 (1,2,3) - but in others do; and then you can compared to the previous section which is really calm but uses spacing like 01:55:274 (1,2,3,4) - which is rlly confusing compared to everything else uhm adjusted some stuff, it is atleast close to equal now

thanks!

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Uraomote Error wrote:
Hi M4M
[General]
Why did you think AR9 is good for Hard diff? AR7 is better. 8 now
[The Destination]
00:09:434 (4,5) - Add blanket. now has one
00:10:634 (5,7) - ^ yes it does
00:57:194 (5,1) - ^ changed stuff so no available blanket
00:57:194 (5,2) - Make this symmetrical. (after you do the previous mod) it already is? thinkign
02:04:634 (6,1) - Add blanket ok
ok thats it

enjoy ur 2 kds kek

KazukiP

109 posts

Joined January 2016

KazukiP 2017-11-04T18:00:54+00:00

This map seems really good, honestly i personally found the approach rate quite slow lol. I would personally put it UP about 0.5 by holding shift or 1.

Lifdrasir

223 posts

Joined August 2014

Lifdrasir 2017-11-04T20:19:11+00:00

im still newbie to mods so dont expect nothing xxdxdxdxd

[The Destination]
00:08:234 (1,2,3,4,5) - What if https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471642 http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471649 to invprove flow
00:42:314 (1) - blanket
00:51:914 (1,2) - change by a slow slider? I think is kinda acc dropper
00:59:114 (5,1) - about alll parts that are like this overlap, it feels at least for me really weird, I could suggest you to look the way to make it feel better flow, since you stop there when the ryhtmic flow was equal, the distance isa the same, so is like weird sorry english xdxdxd
01:10:394 (4) - imo all those parts where kicl slider are touching the next one would feel better if is ppointin to the head or if were just triple
01:53:354 (3,1) - Hm... distance is like confusing
03:03:914 (4,1) - even if emphatize is just objetive... there are no really high volume on 03:04:394 (1) - to put a that large distance imo
03:28:394 (1,2,3,1) - I sugggest you make something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471758 leaving a break here 03:29:474 - 03:31:154 -
03:32:954 (7) - slider pointin to down?
03:51:434 (3,4,5) - oh man this is real acc dropper, could you try something different?
04:06:314 (2,3,4,5) - ^^
04:48:074 (3) - try the same effect, like overlapped as the prev slider, I think could look better
-----------------
Mod finish Hope I did help in something, if something didnt u liked dont insulte me pls, nothing offensive, wanna be bullied just because tried to mod xd
^^ not to the mapper only, to everyone

KazukiP

109 posts

Joined January 2016

KazukiP 2017-11-04T21:01:50+00:00

Lifdrasir wrote:
im still newbie to mods so dont expect nothing xxdxdxdxd

[The Destination]
00:08:234 (1,2,3,4,5) - What if https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471642 http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471649 to invprove flow
00:42:314 (1) - blanket
00:51:914 (1,2) - change by a slow slider? I think is kinda acc dropper
00:59:114 (5,1) - about alll parts that are like this overlap, it feels at least for me really weird, I could suggest you to look the way to make it feel better flow, since you stop there when the ryhtmic flow was equal, the distance isa the same, so is like weird sorry english xdxdxd
01:10:394 (4) - imo all those parts where kicl slider are touching the next one would feel better if is ppointin to the head or if were just triple
01:53:354 (3,1) - Hm... distance is like confusing
03:03:914 (4,1) - even if emphatize is just objetive... there are no really high volume on 03:04:394 (1) - to put a that large distance imo
03:28:394 (1,2,3,1) - I sugggest you make something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471758 leaving a break here 03:29:474 - 03:31:154 -
03:32:954 (7) - slider pointin to down?
03:51:434 (3,4,5) - oh man this is real acc dropper, could you try something different?
04:06:314 (2,3,4,5) - ^^
04:48:074 (3) - try the same effect, like overlapped as the prev slider, I think could look better
-----------------
Mod finish Hope I did help in something, if something didnt u liked dont insulte me pls, nothing offensive, wanna be bullied just because tried to mod xd
^^ not to the mapper only, to everyone

You seem to know what you're talking about. If you could help at all could you give me some advice here: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1443986&m=0

Fursum

523 posts

Joined August 2014

Topic Starter

Fursum 2017-11-04T21:04:55+00:00

Lifdrasir wrote:
im still newbie to mods so dont expect nothing xxdxdxdxd

[The Destination]
00:08:234 (1,2,3,4,5) - What if https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471642 http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471649 to invprove flow thats a whole another thing to do, very far off from the structure i used for the section. I think it is fine as it is.
00:42:314 (1) - blanket how is that off xd
00:51:914 (1,2) - change by a slow slider? I think is kinda acc dropper well, the bpm is pretty low, i dont think it would cause much problems
00:59:114 (5,1) - about alll parts that are like this overlap, it feels at least for me really weird, I could suggest you to look the way to make it feel better flow, since you stop there when the ryhtmic flow was equal, the distance isa the same, so is like weird sorry english xdxdxd the music isnt quite the same as the overlapped slider doesnt have any percussion so i show it by reducing the movement same as the previous point.
01:10:394 (4) - imo all those parts where kicl slider are touching the next one would feel better if is ppointin to the head or if were just triple well i dont want any triples, the pointing to the head thing is already in the patterns, im alternating them to the rythmical structure
01:53:354 (3,1) - Hm... distance is like confusing adjusted
03:03:914 (4,1) - even if emphatize is just objetive... there are no really high volume on 03:04:394 (1) - to put a that large distance imo reduced spacing
04:48:074 (3) - try the same effect, like overlapped as the prev slider, I think could look better yea but the pitches arent the same
-----------------
Mod finish Hope I did help in something, if something didnt u liked dont insulte me pls, nothing offensive, wanna be bullied just because tried to mod xd
^^ not to the mapper only, to everyone y u scare is ok

thanks for the mod!

Log Off Now

955 posts

Joined May 2014

Log Off Now 2017-11-08T15:45:25+00:00

hi m4m from my q totally not from pm

[Destination]

00:01:994 (1) - drain t ime lol
00:13:274 (3,4) - make these parallel pls
01:06:314 (3,4) - this is the first time you use this stacking style instead of leaving (4) unstacked and looks a bit inconsistent imo, i would maybe move 01:06:554 (4) - to overlap under 01:05:834 (2) - ? idk
01:50:474 (1) - i think you could make the held note on the slider end clickable here since this you map this pitch held previously. i think a rhythm like this would fit nicely
01:53:354 (3) - similar suggestion to above, would like it if the held note was playable and a slightly faster sv slider than previous would be a nice buildup imo rhythm idea
01:55:034 (3,1) - i would have more spacing between these notes since (1) is the start of a new section and different instruments but has the smallest spacing here
02:16:874 (2,3) - subjective aesthetics are triggering me, make a blanket here pls xd
02:43:754 (3) - this feels overmapped compared to the previous time this section occured in the song since you're essentially making a sound that isn't there clickable, i would remove this circle and extend (2) to be fully 1/1
02:51:914 (1) - same comment as 01:50:474 (1) -
03:41:834 (7) - maybe nc this for the background vocal?
04:16:634 (1,2,3) - 04:24:314 (1,2,3) - spacing here seems inconsistent, same sounds and pitch both times but big difference in spacing?
04:48:554 - i would make these hihat fades clickable since it's a new sound in this section compared to the previous 2 times it occurs and also brings the note density down more gradually
04:59:594 - if you're struggling for drain time, i would actually just map the piano outro here, its in time for most of the duration so it wouldn't be that much extra timing work

cool song nice work! gl!

Fursum

523 posts

Joined August 2014

Topic Starter

Fursum 2017-11-08T16:08:21+00:00

Log Off Now wrote:
hi m4m from my q totally not from pm

[Destination]

00:01:994 (1) - drain t ime lol fu c
00:13:274 (3,4) - make these parallel pls grouped 00:13:994 (4,5) - instead as they are in a different vocal sentence
01:06:314 (3,4) - this is the first time you use this stacking style instead of leaving (4) unstacked and looks a bit inconsistent imo, i would maybe move 01:06:554 (4) - to overlap under 01:05:834 (2) - ? idk hmm, i unstacked and faced the 1/4 in an irregular direction to for some transition
01:50:474 (1) - i think you could make the held note on the slider end clickable here since this you map this pitch held previously. i think a rhythm like this would fit nicely it does mess up the pattern separation a bit though, i would like to implement some doubles before the kiai though they are too irregular to consider
01:53:354 (3) - similar suggestion to above, would like it if the held note was playable and a slightly faster sv slider than previous would be a nice buildup imo rhythm idea did a similar thing like after the kiai, added sv increase to both
01:55:034 (3,1) - i would have more spacing between these notes since (1) is the start of a new section and different instruments but has the smallest spacing here changed the angle instead cuz not enough space
02:43:754 (3) - this feels overmapped compared to the previous time this section occured in the song since you're essentially making a sound that isn't there clickable, i would remove this circle and extend (2) to be fully 1/1 I'd say the higher density makes sense because of the echos and the sounds are more pronounced in that bit
02:51:914 (1) - same comment as 01:50:474 (1) - same answer :d
04:16:634 (1,2,3) - 04:24:314 (1,2,3) - spacing here seems inconsistent, same sounds and pitch both times but big difference in spacing? derped with structure kek, did the slider as 2 circles and increased spacing
04:48:554 - i would make these hihat fades clickable since it's a new sound in this section compared to the previous 2 times it occurs and also brings the note density down more gradually well its almost the same thing with after the kiai on vocal echo stuff, i already mapped it a little differently structure wise and i think the decrease is already enough
04:59:594 - if you're struggling for drain time, i would actually just map the piano outro here, its in time for most of the duration so it wouldn't be that much extra timing work will consider, havent mapped piano solos yet :d

cool song nice work! gl!

thanks for the not pm mod!

Cerulean Veyron

2,090 posts

Joined August 2012

Cerulean Veyron 2017-11-15T17:52:58+00:00

pointed few things on 4some parts, ya we gud llo

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955 posts

Joined May 2014

Log Off Now 2017-11-16T03:03:09+00:00

lets go!

Fursum

523 posts

Joined August 2014

Topic Starter

Fursum 2017-11-16T06:43:20+00:00

owo

Saturnalize

1,490 posts

Joined March 2011

Saturnalize 2017-11-16T17:08:05+00:00

Cerulean Veyron wrote:
pointed few things on 4some parts, ya we gud llo

what about MY part

Saturnalize

1,490 posts

Joined March 2011

Saturnalize 2017-11-16T17:30:40+00:00

I RECOGNIZE THIS AS DOUBLE POST. I FORGET AND I'M SORRY.

now moving on.

Lifdrasir wrote:
im still newbie to mods so dont expect nothing xxdxdxdxd

[The Destination]
03:28:394 (1,2,3,1) - I sugggest you make something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9471758 leaving a break here 03:29:474 - 03:31:154 - //moved stuffs //but there won't be any break here honey I insist
03:32:954 (7) - slider pointin to down? //this part is fucked up honestly I decided to move stuffs completely
03:51:434 (3,4,5) - oh man this is real acc dropper, could you try something different? //no
04:06:314 (2,3,4,5) - ^^ //no

Log Off Now wrote:
hi m4m from my q totally not from pm

[Destination]02:16:874 (2,3) - subjective aesthetics are triggering me, make a blanket here pls xd //(3) to curve, //and no blanket
03:41:834 (7) - maybe nc this for the background vocal? //03:40:874 (1,3) - doesn't have any so neither (7). Also, the vocal change isn't really contrast compared to snare build up.

yo y'all too nice

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Voli

811 posts

Joined April 2013

Voli 2017-11-22T11:38:21+00:00

u requested

Hitsounds

00:48:074 (1) - Starting here, I feel the normal-hitnormals are placed on the wrong ticks. The song uses them on offbeats, but you have them on the mainbeats. Ypu can however resolve this by making the hitnormal some sort of drum hitsound and adding a more ''clap'' like sound on the offbeats. Some parts feel really underhitsounded as well(ok we discussed hitsounds in game)

Map

00:17:594 (5) - how about moving this down a bit for a tad better flow, visuals and usage of space?
00:22:154 (6) - ctrl g this to maintain up/down movement? would work well for movement towards 00:22:874 (7) - too. Same goes for 00:25:994 (2) -
00:35:114 (1,2,3,4,5) - For this sequence I feel it's much better to keep following the vocals just as you did previously (00:32:234 (4,5) - etc), it's kinda weird to stop following them halfway through this part
00:43:754 (4) - how about making the overlap a bit more ''obvious"? Perhaps stack the slider on the head of 00:42:314 (1) -? Right now it's like almost fully overlapped, but not quite, which looks a bit sloppy imo, if you do it like this your intention would show in a better way.
patterns like 00:55:034 (4,5) -, 00:56:954 (4,5) - and 01:00:794 (4,5) - (basically these 1/4 slider patterns in this part) are cool but i think they would work even better if you moved them just a little bit closer to make the difference in visual distance more apparent (from the 1/2 parts). You can just do it like this, its already enough to make the difference: https://voli.s-ul.eu/YC0qeHvO.png
in the next part, 01:12:554 (5) - these are consistently spaced further than your 1/2 distance? but others are like very close to each other (01:14:234 (4,5) - ) why the huge difference?
01:24:314 (6) - 1/4 isn't necessary here i think, there aren't beats on both ticks unlike 01:23:834 (4) -
01:28:394 (1) - why is it overlapped/connected with the other slider? i think its the only occasion where this happens, i suggest separating it just like 01:32:234 (1) - etc.
01:40:154 (2) - imo this would work better if it just repeated 3 times instead of 4, the last repeat doesn't really cover anything since the sound stops at 01:40:874 - and makes the transition to 01:41:354 (3) - feel awkward
01:50:474 (1) - consider changing it to a stack of 2 notes instead? the second note has a higher pitch which would be nice if clickable too
01:54:074 (1) - nc not rly needed is it?
01:59:594 (2) - the repeat is overmapped, theres nothing here 01:59:834 -
02:51:914 (1) - same as what I said earlier (consider changing it to a stack of 2 notes instead? the second note has a higher pitch which would be nice if clickable too)
03:31:994 (3,4,5) - not rly nice to cover this under a triple when the part is so focused on those strong sounds, it kinda hinders the movement. same for 03:39:674 (3,4,5) -
these sliders 03:42:794 (1) - , 03:50:474 (1) - 04:05:834 (1) - have very strong beats on both ends, i suggest you change them to two notes instead, this feels rather underwhelming
04:42:794 (4) - the drum/clap sound stops here already so having this as part of the same triple doesn't feel quite right, perhaps remove this note and make 04:42:674 (3) - a slider instead
04:44:474 (2,3) - this completely ignores the melody here? o.o

alright, i'm popping for now mainly since i feel the hitsounds can be much more improved to accommodate the map. We've talked and you said you're willing to improve them, call me back when it's done and lets see

Saturnalize

1,490 posts

Joined March 2011

Saturnalize 2017-11-24T14:25:56+00:00

fyrsym sayd Y can change stuff about hytsound

also everythyng above of my part : ok

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Fursum

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Joined August 2014

Topic Starter

Fursum 2017-11-24T15:24:34+00:00

MariahCarey wrote:
u requested

Hitsounds
00:48:074 (1) - Starting here, I feel the normal-hitnormals are placed on the wrong ticks. The song uses them on offbeats, but you have them on the mainbeats. Ypu can however resolve this by making the hitnormal some sort of drum hitsound and adding a more ''clap'' like sound on the offbeats. Some parts feel really underhitsounded as well(ok we discussed hitsounds in game) did stuffs with coconut milk firend
Map
00:17:594 (5) - how about moving this down a bit for a tad better flow, visuals and usage of space? cant remember how they were before but i stacked ends of 00:15:914 (1,5) -
00:22:154 (6) - ctrl g this to maintain up/down movement? would work well for movement towards 00:22:874 (7) - too. Same goes for 00:25:994 (2) - ok why not
00:35:114 (1,2,3,4,5) - For this sequence I feel it's much better to keep following the vocals just as you did previously (00:32:234 (4,5) - etc), it's kinda weird to stop following them halfway through this part i couldnt work around the vocal ticks at 1/4 gaps, the second slider follows the vocal but i think it does fine regarding the transition to instruments and having a simple active rythm
00:43:754 (4) - how about making the overlap a bit more ''obvious"? Perhaps stack the slider on the head of 00:42:314 (1) -? Right now it's like almost fully overlapped, but not quite, which looks a bit sloppy imo, if you do it like this your intention would show in a better way. they were stacked at first so i put a manual stack thing for the body to show. did a half overlap now
patterns like 00:55:034 (4,5) -, 00:56:954 (4,5) - and 01:00:794 (4,5) - (basically these 1/4 slider patterns in this part) are cool but i think they would work even better if you moved them just a little bit closer to make the difference in visual distance more apparent (from the 1/2 parts). You can just do it like this, its already enough to make the difference: https://voli.s-ul.eu/YC0qeHvO.png okay
in the next part, 01:12:554 (5) - these are consistently spaced further than your 1/2 distance? but others are like very close to each other (01:14:234 (4,5) - ) why the huge difference? hmm i tried to separate the stringy sounds but i should probably space the big ones closer, the movement should be around the same on the prominent sounds now
01:24:314 (6) - 1/4 isn't necessary here i think, there aren't beats on both ticks unlike 01:23:834 (4) - the previous section has a lot of filler 1/4 sliders on stringy sounds so i think it fits well here as well
01:28:394 (1) - why is it overlapped/connected with the other slider? i think its the only occasion where this happens, i suggest separating it just like 01:32:234 (1) - etc. i tried to highlight the echoing vocal with some different movement and structure, if you have a suggestion regarding that, im open :p
01:40:154 (2) - imo this would work better if it just repeated 3 times instead of 4, the last repeat doesn't really cover anything since the sound stops at 01:40:874 - and makes the transition to 01:41:354 (3) - feel awkward theres the same note at 01:41:234 - tho, i could do a double but that doesnt really fit in a calm section, so ill probably keep it
01:50:474 (1) - consider changing it to a stack of 2 notes instead? the second note has a higher pitch which would be nice if clickable too ok i make double
01:54:074 (1) - nc not rly needed is it?yes
01:59:594 (2) - the repeat is overmapped, theres nothing here 01:59:834 - i had an offsnapped slider for the vocal, changed to a repeat slider to keep the 1/4 snapping for gameplay as milan suggested
02:51:914 (1) - same as what I said earlier (consider changing it to a stack of 2 notes instead? the second note has a higher pitch which would be nice if clickable too) yes
04:44:474 (2,3) - this completely ignores the melody here? o.o i dont get how it ignores the melody lol, the whooshes and the melody overlaps quite well or im deaf xd
alright, i'm popping for now mainly since i feel the hitsounds can be much more improved to accommodate the map. We've talked and you said you're willing to improve them, call me back when it's done and lets see

thank