LiSA - Brave Freak Out -TV ver.- · forum

_DT3

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-03-07T16:21:36+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Monday, December 25, 2017 at 12:01:48 PM

Artist: LiSA
Title: Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Source: クオリディア・コード
Tags: Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single ShogunMoon Astarte Mir LCFC LowComboFC Plaudible Lasse A_r_M_i_N Armin Kibbleru
BPM: 205
Filesize: 16704kb
Play Time: 01:27
Difficulties Available:

A r M i N's Belief (5.91 stars, 405 notes)
Another (5.16 stars, 380 notes)
Collab Normal (2.23 stars, 185 notes)
Kibb's Extra (5.86 stars, 420 notes)
Lasse's Insane (4.64 stars, 372 notes)
LCFC's Hyper (3.71 stars, 294 notes)
Mir's Advanced (2.92 stars, 224 notes)
Plaudible's Insane (4.24 stars, 323 notes)
Shogun's Easy (1.69 stars, 121 notes)

Download: LiSA - Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Download: LiSA - Brave Freak Out -TV ver.- (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Season 1: Opening | Ending
Season 2: Opening | Ending
Season 3: Opening | Ending

Easy - by ShogunMoon

Normal - by Astarte + _DT3

Hard/Advanced - by Mir | LowComboFC

Insane - by Plaudible | Lasse | _DT3

Extra - by A r M i N | Kibbleru

Deleted Expert - by Evanescent-

Last edited by _DT3 2017-12-25T11:02:31+00:00, edited 72 times in total.

allein

Beatmap Nominator

826 posts

Joined March 2015

allein 2017-03-07T16:23:38+00:00

wip

Lasse

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Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-03-07T22:53:23+00:00

http://puu.sh/uyIT9/8df6d25b15.zip
4.64
not having any kiai set was intentional
will probably copy over hitsounding from another diff later

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-03-08T13:24:03+00:00

Updated with Lasse's and LCFC's diffs!

Shocola

287 posts

Joined July 2015

Shocola 2017-03-11T03:46:19+00:00

hyper and insane have no video. kds pls

xD

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-03-11T18:43:04+00:00

[-Chocola-] wrote:
hyper and insane have no video. kds pls

xD

Aaaaaa

A r M i N

1,305 posts

Joined October 2014

A r M i N 2017-03-11T19:39:03+00:00

gud shit man

Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

5,846 posts

Joined August 2013

Kibbleru 2017-03-12T09:19:35+00:00

hey can u increase my diff's stack leniency? it was from lasse's diff so its really low rn

also if u want u can think of some custom diff name for my diff, up to u.

_DT3

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Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-03-12T10:25:52+00:00

Kibbleru wrote:
hey can u increase my diff's stack leniency? it was from lasse's diff so its really low rn

also if u want u can think of some custom diff name for my diff, up to u.

Oky, gonna do with the next update

Lasse

osu! Alumni

3,644 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-03-12T11:00:40+00:00

seems like my combocolors ended up on all diffs, cute

hitsounded my diff (just copied kibb's with some changes) and fixed some things
http://puu.sh/uFlrB/11dcb40970.zip
should be my last update until this gets mods
(add a silent soft-sliderslide22.wav for me, I forgot..)

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-04-01T13:15:32+00:00

Sorry for the long wait, but I updated now!
Changed Kibbleru's Diffname No it's not referencing anything and lowered stack leniency
Added Lasse's Update and Hitsounds and updated Evanescent's Expert

Nowaie

1,021 posts

Joined December 2014

Nowaie 2017-04-14T17:58:16+00:00

Some irc with turtle

20.04 _DT3: Ey o/
20.05 DTM9 Nowa: aye
20.06 _DT3: Would you quickly be able to check an Extra, I am not too confident with it :c
20.08 DTM9 Nowa: Yea
20.08 DTM9 Nowa: I'll just update sofia quickly
20.08 _DT3: The Big Cat gave an update? :o
20.10 DTM9 Nowa: done
20.10 _DT3: Oky
20.10 *_DT3 is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1236254 LiSA - Brave Freak Out -TV ver.- [Extra]]
20.10 _DT3: Also after that can I do a quick IRC with you on osu!favorites lol
20.11 DTM9 Nowa: I still have an essay to do
20.11 DTM9 Nowa: so i don't really have time for mods
20.12 DTM9 Nowa: Is there something specific in the extra that'd need chacking
20.12 _DT3: Then I'll just mod it on the forum
20.13 _DT3: Just if it doesn't seem somewhat "random"
20.13 _DT3: I feel like there isn't exactly a specific style used
20.14 _DT3: (Thing is, I'm thinking of remapping it cause of that, but dunno if I should really be doing it)
20.14 DTM9 Nowa: 00:18:486 (1,3) - There is small stuff like this, where the head of 3 is kinda covered by the other slider
20.15 DTM9 Nowa: 00:34:015 - Ignored a drum beat 
20.16 DTM9 Nowa: 00:33:489 (3,4,5) - The 5 here doesn't really feel like it'd represent the sound it's mapped on properly (too small spacing)
20.17 DTM9 Nowa: 00:40:841 (1,1,1) - Little bit randomly dense NCing
20.17 _DT3: Oops
20.17 _DT3: Think it will be readable though?
20.17 DTM9 Nowa: Which one?
20.18 _DT3: The triplet
20.18 _DT3: Like, it's similar to 00:38:891 (1,2,3) -
20.18 DTM9 Nowa: umh
20.18 DTM9 Nowa: Just NCing the first one should do the thing
20.18 _DT3: Oky
20.19 DTM9 Nowa: if all of them are NCd that usually implies that you changed the BSD
20.19 _DT3: Oh yeah
20.21 DTM9 Nowa: Any reasons to the smaller spacing here 00:46:543 (1,2,3) - 
20.22 DTM9 Nowa: The song just seems to be hyping up so small spacing... idk
20.23 _DT3: I wanted to make the player feel the contrast to 00:46:093 (1,2,3) - which seemed notably more intense imo (but to keep it a bit harder I used linear spacing)
20.26 DTM9 Nowa: 00:48:493 (1,2,3) - I'm kinda concerned as most of the players play this kind of patterns as pretty much "hold notes" (they don't move at all) the slider leniency in the tailpoint of the slider only covers a small amount of the intital head
20.27 DTM9 Nowa: Well there isn't really anything wrong with them (so you can just go and say "oh dear, i hope an object in a game didn't hurt your feelings") so they should be just fine
20.27 _DT3: Ok
20.27 _DT3: I did test it, it seemed fine to me but I'll se what others might think
20.27 _DT3: *see
20.29 _DT3: If you hit it very close to the bottom, you might get a 100
20.30 DTM9 Nowa: Yea ik
20.30 _DT3: But if you hit it in the center it's a 300 which is what most players would do I think
20.31 DTM9 Nowa: yea
20.32 DTM9 Nowa: 00:49:543 (1) - rankable but only barely
20.33 _DT3: Ye
20.34 DTM9 Nowa: 00:59:146 (1) - I don't know how well does the curve work here as the next objects are here 00:59:596 (2,3,4) - 
20.35 _DT3: I'll curve it more outwards
20.35 DTM9 Nowa: 01:00:346 (1) - The map seems to suddenly end here, maybe you could continue little bit further as a lot of the mp3 is still unused :^)
20.35 _DT3: :^
20.36 _DT3: Think the Extra is fine though?
20.36 DTM9 Nowa: yea
20.36 _DT3: O
20.38 _DT3: So, no remap? :o
20.38 DTM9 Nowa: Unless you insist to
20.39 DTM9 Nowa: not needed
20.39 _DT3: Oky
20.39 _DT3: Oh also
20.39 _DT3: Think the SV is fine?
20.40 DTM9 Nowa: Fits to an energic song
20.40 _DT3: Oky
20.41 _DT3: Thank youuuu

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-04-26T20:11:30+00:00

did some changes

SPOILER

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
ArtistUnicode:LiSA
Creator:_DT3
Version:Kibb's Belief
Source:クオリディア・コード
Tags:Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single
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_DT3

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Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-05-01T22:52:01+00:00

Updated!

DeletedUser_3821342

DeletedUser_3821342 2017-07-03T10:23:11+00:00

SPOILER

M4M from the queue. Only gonna mod finished/finalized diffs.

[General]

Video file isn't being used for some of the diffs. Also the video quality is pretty shit. Try get someone to encode a better one for you if you don't know how. ezek and Shad0w1and are both really good at it.

[Kibb]

00:38:291 (1,2,3,4) - I don't see what would call for such intensity between the (3) and (4). I see this bit of the music as setting up the song to transition into the next calmer section by kind of resetting the energy from the last verse with the lowering muted bass tones. I think you should reflect that by creating a pattern here that uses low spacing and subtle movement to force the player to reset their momentum.
00:38:291 (1,2) - 00:38:891 (1,2) - You could solve your problems here by just going "git gud n lern 2 reed" that's up to you but I think a little consistency couldn't hurt especially with the higher tempo of the song. It gets difficult to distinguish 1/2 from 1/4 just with AR for faster songs like this. Either manual stack all the 1/2 notes in the song so they don't look the same as 1/4 notes or lower the stack latency some more till 1/2 notes don't stack.
00:46:093 (1) - 00:46:543 (1) - 00:46:993 (4) - In terms of movement you could do more to express these vocals along side following the drums. Atm like you're just flinging your mouse from side to side for this pattern which isn't enough for me. I think it would be better if you were to use this or something like it that puts emphasis on the vocal hits with repetition or something else that causes jerky momentum resets.
01:03:797 (6,1) - 01:06:348 (6,1) - Compared to other instances of this pattern these ones have lower spacing that break momentum when there isn't anything to express in the music by doing so. The second one especially.

[A r M i N]

00:00:482 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm curios, why this rhythm? Are you trying to put emphasis on the pitch changes in the snares? If you are then could you maybe not have a slider for the (3) or do something a bit more different for (4,5) cause the pitches pair the later 2 while the first is on it's own.
00:32:739 (1) - Need more emphasis through angles for this slider cause of the vocal like you have for 00:34:840 (5,1) - . Movement between from the (4) before it into itself is too smooth.
00:38:666 (2,4) - These don't exist. And rhythm wise the transition from the stream into the 1/1 notes is more natural with 1/2 notes at the end if you delete these.
01:16:700 (5,6,7) - Why do you think that's appropriate here? What is there to express by breaking the movement from before with co-linear jumps? Only thing I can think of is vocals but if it is that then I think replacing the (5,6) with a slider would be more appropriate. Breaking movement with linear jumps is more appropriate when there's a sound on EACH object the vocals only land on the (5) and possibly the (6) if you want to map the guitar passively and express the vocals "hold" feel.

[Evanescent]

00:24:487 (1,2) - Maybe Ctrl+G these cause atm cause for these 00:24:187 (5,1,2) - the movement is like a down stroke and then a sharp jump in the general direction opposite to where you were going and then down again which doesn't really fit the music here. Stuff here should be subtle and smooth.
00:31:689 (1) - Ctrl+H would be nicer cause it's a bit more smooth, momentum from the previous objects is making the mouse want to veer off to the left and slightly downwards but to hit the (1) the player needs to move upwards at right angles to that which is a little clunky for these sounds. Ctrl+H just turns that clunkyness into a more clockwise rotational movement while still emphasizing the vocals.
00:48:193 (1,2,3,4,1) - Would be better in this kind of area of the screen cause you continue the jump pattern with the head of the stream which doesn't cause and weird deceleration that wouldn't be fit for the music.
00:58:996 (6,1) - The vocal on the (1) is really prominent you need more emphasis on that through spacing and angles. Rotated 180 and put in the lower middle of the screen is a suggestion.

[Lasse]

00:15:485 (1,2) - Unlike horizontal movement vertical movement is weird. Upwards strokes are different to downwards strokes. In general I've noticed that downwards strokes feel more powerful because with downwards strokes you're contracting your muscles. Contracting is easier than relaxing so they create different feelings that are appropriate in different scenarios. Here I think the music calls for the extra power so Ctrl+G would be better.
00:25:688 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Repetition like this is very useful for generally expressing sounds that tend to have something that needs emphasis on each first note (Like you've done here 00:46:093 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - ) which I'm not seeing for the (1)s here. It just doesn't feel appropriate for these sounds that gradually get more intense. Rotating the second set of 3 notes 180 and scaling them up before putting them back in place would be something I think would fit better.

[Plaudible]

00:25:688 (1,2,3,4) - Those could be spaced more to reflect the build up. Bit underwhelming atm.
00:07:383 (5,1) - Maybe stack the (1) on the 5 instead? I get the movement but it's just the slider's more suited to accepting clockwise motion into it as opposed to anti-clockwise movement. Stacking just eliminates that and makes it snappy.

[LCFC]

00:07:083 (3,4) - That would be a better rhythm cause then you'd be actively mapping vocals
00:30:939 (2,3) - That's pretty easy to mistake for a 1/2 gap cause of the rhythm density in this section.
00:29:288 (1,2,3,4,5) - Ok so you've essentially switched to mapping the guitar here because it gets a bit prominent but you should stick it through with the (4) and (5) as well by continuing to map it actively. I see why you switched to the vocals again but the transition is clunky cause you're switching between 2 different elements really abruptly in the space of like 3 beats. It just more natural this way cause there's less music element transitions.

Mir's diff looks fine to me.

_DT3

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Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-07-06T19:17:27+00:00

This is not dead x)
I'm just slow af, thanks btw! (Will get to your map tmr)

C00L

1,078 posts

Joined September 2014

C00L 2017-09-17T12:58:39+00:00

:b:iscord mod
So @_DT3 00:23:287 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - these don't really make sense with the others since previous ones were like small spacing transitioning to the bigger spacing, 00:28:988 (1,2,3) - you could increase spacing on stuff like this to underline the higher intensity vocals that that pattern offers, something that 00:28:688 (1,2,3) - doesnt offer. 00:31:389 (5) - I don't understand why you sometimes place the really high dominant vocals on stuff like slider ends or under stacks sometimes, but i guess thats subjective cuz you're following the drums, still really noticable whilst playing making it feel a bit underwhelming. Sliders like 00:38:891 (1) - don't require a third red anchor inbetween the top and bottom btw to work, see if you delete this https://puu.sh/xBRJy/fc5b2f29e0.png the slider will look no different. 00:48:193 (4) - spacing p low compare to stuff like 00:47:893 (2) - which doesn't have neither snare or vocal on it yet it's higher, makes the (4) not seem special or emphasised at all, even though it offers quite a lot of possible feedback. I like those sliders here 00:48:493 (1,1,1) - they're pretty cool. 00:51:794 (4,5) - Now the biggest issue is stack representation, you represent stacks as 1/2 gaps sometimes (like there) and sometimes as 1/1 gaps like 00:53:594 (2,3) - here, the stacks don't really follow any sort of pattern as to how they're placed but sometimes they are stacks and sometimes they aren't. Stuff like keeping a stack for a 1/1 gap and doing something like 01:02:597 (4,1) - this for example would make the gameplay far more readable. If not even slight differentiation amongst them would make a difference like slightly overlaping the 1/1 gap or vice versa.

it has p cool ideas the map
like 00:11:134 (1,2,3) - for example

_DT3

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Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-09-17T13:27:52+00:00

C00L wrote:
:b:iscord mod
So @_DT3 00:23:287 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - these don't really make sense with the others since previous ones were like small spacing transitioning to the bigger spacing, 00:28:988 (1,2,3) - you could increase spacing on stuff like this to underline the higher intensity vocals that that pattern offers, something that 00:28:688 (1,2,3) - doesnt offer. 00:31:389 (5) - I don't understand why you sometimes place the really high dominant vocals on stuff like slider ends or under stacks sometimes, but i guess thats subjective cuz you're following the drums, still really noticable whilst playing making it feel a bit underwhelming. Sliders like 00:38:891 (1) - don't require a third red anchor inbetween the top and bottom btw to work, see if you delete this https://puu.sh/xBRJy/fc5b2f29e0.png the slider will look no different. 00:48:193 (4) - spacing p low compare to stuff like 00:47:893 (2) - which doesn't have neither snare or vocal on it yet it's higher, makes the (4) not seem special or emphasised at all, even though it offers quite a lot of possible feedback. I like those sliders here 00:48:493 (1,1,1) - they're pretty cool. 00:51:794 (4,5) - Now the biggest issue is stack representation, you represent stacks as 1/2 gaps sometimes (like there) and sometimes as 1/1 gaps like 00:53:594 (2,3) - here, the stacks don't really follow any sort of pattern as to how they're placed but sometimes they are stacks and sometimes they aren't. Stuff like keeping a stack for a 1/1 gap and doing something like 01:02:597 (4,1) - this for example would make the gameplay far more readable. If not even slight differentiation amongst them would make a difference like slightly overlaping the 1/1 gap or vice versa.

it has p cool ideas the map
like 00:11:134 (1,2,3) - for example

Thanks C00L!
To sum it all up, I changed the stack placement in the kiai to be more appropriate
00:23:287 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Not really sure what you mean here, I think it's appropriate to use this pattern and spacing here since this part has only sliders and differentiates like that from the rest
00:31:389 (5) - Yeah, following drums here, following the vocals is obvious whenever it's followed though
The anchors, yeah... xd
00:48:193 (4) - I do think it's emphasized enough by the placement here, the vocal intensity is at it's lowest there hence the spacing
00:28:988 (1,2,3) - I'd rather keep the transition consistent all over since those are just lead-in vocals to the next part anyways

Also changed 00:25:688 (1,2,3,4) - after a suggestion from ~~rizen~~ a q p w

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-09-17T17:18:18+00:00

shieet it's back (will reply to yoges' mod later)

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-09-22T23:32:26+00:00

mod from queue

[General]
I dislike having the soft-hitclap30 or normal-hitclap30, they are far too loud compared to the songs snares, I suggest either changing them or removing the hitsound at all.
Confused to hitsounding choices, you have hitsounds on custom 30 and custom 1 to be rather similar, I suggest arranging all difficulties to be identical without excess copy pasted hitsounds. Except GD's that really have prominent different hitsounding. I noticed the similarities between kibb and armin here.

[kibb]
00:06:333 - to about 00:13:985 - The section is started with plenty of suggestions that the vocals will be the main thing followed in it 00:06:333 (1,2,1) - by making all of these as sliders, so assumed it will be based on doing that throughout the section like here 00:09:483 (3,1) -
00:07:308 (5) - overmap
00:08:133 (1,2,3) - little weird that only here the triple is curved while the rest are all straight
00:08:733 (1) - Too little spacing, it is given 0 emphasis, neither is this repeated in the section as a structure, so I recommend not doing unconventional emphasis unless a section is based on that.
00:24:787 (2) - since the 1/4 guitar or whatever it is still lingers, I suggest making this into 3/4 too, and for a reason two 3/4's and two 1/2's, a conventional patterning style musically and in osu! mapping ;d
00:26:138 (4) - this breaks the impact on the guitars that suggest an increase of intensity, I don't think you should dismiss the intensity that drastically from previous jumps, and should rather consider increasing.
00:34:240 (2,3,4) - is this done with the intention of variety, because I really prefer the guitar/drum following done earlier 00:29:889 (4,5,6) -
00:36:490 (1,2,3,4,5) - Drums or vocals, 00:36:940 (2) - as you started following vocals in the first grouping, this ends on a really important sounding vocal, therefore nullufying their intensity and abruptly switching to drums that don't have a strong first note to start its patterning. I strongly suggest either make the later slider into 2 circles, you can make the second circle a slider if you want to follow vocals.
00:56:445 (5,6,7) - i suggest lowering this spacing and make the vocals more pronounced 00:56:895 (1,2) - , lisa made my ears bleed, thanks. The guitar to me sounds chill compared to strongly impactful vocals really soon. 00:56:445 (5,6,7) - if anything compare it to 01:06:048 (4,5,6) -
00:57:796 (7) - really don't see a reason for big spacing from a 1/4 slider jump.
01:03:947 (1) - pretty chill spacing for a earbleed vocals, I like you, just wish that the rest of entire of map was even more chiller if it should stand this way ;d

[a r m i n]
00:01:213 (3,4) - Don't really like these being soft, they're clear drum hits and should also be drums or normal idk
00:01:506 (1) - this looks like it is unsnapped in the new timing line, I believe this to be unrankable.
00:06:333 - seems like you have two inhereting points here
00:06:333 (2) - I suggest giving this one more emphasis, it is really impactful compared to other cymbal/guitar sounds.
00:10:534 (3) - suggest in making this a triple, its a drum roll afteroll xd
00:19:536 (1,3,4) - a bit confused as to why are you switching from drum (questionable following) to 00:22:087 (1,3) - vocals here
00:26:288 (1,1) - pattern seems perfectly fine without these being NCed.
00:32:664 - could use this note, its a snare or something.
00:34:540 (4,5,1) - small suggestion, but giving them big spacing would be dope, since the snares are different than the rest, and it sounds louder with the guitar backing it up strongly. I'd give special notice to this.
00:35:890 (4,5) - you could make this into 4 circles since every note is either a kick or a snare, and would prepare the players for the jumps to come.
00:38:666 (2,4) - these seem to be overmapped, therefore I suggest to make the notes on white/red ticks into kickslider to follow the nature of 1/4, without feeling like overmap.
00:47:293 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - little confused to why is the intesity dropping here in the map, its lower than when it started.
00:53:144 (1) - strong guitar cymbal kick gets less spacing, and simply flow than random 00:52:994 (5) - snare, I don't suggest that.
00:54:045 (4) - not sure what is this following when the vocal hit is here 00:53:895 (3) -
00:57:045 (2) - earbleed vocals given 0 emphasis :V
00:58:396 (2) - also no need to make this 1/1 when it doesn't follow vocals, + it ends on a rather strong beat that could be made to use to emphasize the last jumps before the section ends.
00:58:621 - what is this inheriting point doing here
01:03:947 (1) - earbleed vocals again 0 emphasis ;v
01:05:147 (1) - in order to keep the cymbal guitar hits the most emphasized, you could give this an red anchor not make it go off screen with given bigger spacing.
01:06:498 (1) - impactful head and sliderend, I recommend to make it into 2 circles, otherwise I don't really understand why is it a slider, when you usually follow vocals with sliders like here 01:06:798 (2) -
01:07:023 - 01:05:823 - random inheriting points, there are even more stray green lines, revisit and delete.
01:16:850 (6) - instead of giving this low spacing (since it has a kick on it, I suggest not to) I suggest giving this one instead 01:16:550 (4) - since its just a hithat, the only exception in the jump pattern of not being a kick or snare.

[evanescent]
00:29:889 (3) - don't recommend ending it on what it ended right now at all. Sounds really important.
00:31:089 (3,4) - not realizing what is being followed here at all, I suggest following the vocal layer as it is the only one really noticeable.
00:37:090 (3,4) - everything is alternating between kicks and snares, yet you map them the same way as done earlier in the section with more chill rhythms, I suggest making more of this into circles.
00:43:017 - really loud drumhit here, please do not ignore it.
00:50:744 - sorry but I just don't the rhythm here. I'm not sure what is being followed, you're using sliders for random snares and random beats, not on prominent vocals or guitar layers. 00:51:794 (5) - example you use a slider here where the sliderend also has a prominent vocal
00:52:394 (3) - this is following a bland snare, when there are prominent vocals on its end
00:52:694 (4) - this is being a slider, when it has a strong sliderend kick
00:54:045 (4) - you can either follow this guitar here, a little noticeable or 00:54:345 - the vocals here for a slider. The problem is not that you're following snares, but that it is done inconsistently, sometimes not given snares a slider. Which becomes really confusing to what are sliders actually being used for.
00:54:645 (1) - not to mention this skipping a snare, it seems like utter chaos
00:56:895 (3) - this ending on an earbleed vocal. Etc, I will stop modding the rest since I think you got the point that I don't understand what is going on, and the problem is if I don't with looking at the map in depth, how are the players supposed to?

Anyways thanks for tricking me, dt3, GD's have nothing really special, no interesting spacing usages, aesthetical concepts, unusual rhythm usage that makes sense in a way etc. But guess I liked the song kinda xd

Last edited by MaridiuS 2017-09-24T13:34:35+00:00, edited 4 times in total.

bite you death

Nomination Assessment Team

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bite you death 2017-09-23T11:44:06+00:00

add gders' names to tags

_DT3

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Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-09-23T11:59:10+00:00

bite you death wrote:
add gders' names to tags

Will do

MaridiuS wrote:
Anyways thanks for tricking me, dt3, GD's have nothing really special, no interesting spacing usages, aesthetical concepts, unusual rhythm usage that makes sense in a way etc. But guess I liked the song kinda xd

Tbf, you took the less interesting ones imo (no offense guys) but thanks for modding them anyway!

MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-09-24T19:26:12+00:00

_DT3 wrote:
bite you death wrote:
add gders' names to tags
Will do

MaridiuS wrote:
Anyways thanks for tricking me, dt3, GD's have nothing really special, no interesting spacing usages, aesthetical concepts, unusual rhythm usage that makes sense in a way etc. But guess I liked the song kinda xd
Tbf, you took the less interesting ones imo (no offense guys) but thanks for modding them anyway!

idk if top 3 diffs are the least interesting, something is off xd

_DT3

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Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-09-24T19:32:22+00:00

MaridiuS wrote:
idk if top 3 diffs are the least interesting, something is off xd

Well imo, the insanes have more focus on movement which really sticks out in gameplay, they are more interesting for me imo

Evanescent-

285 posts

Joined April 2014

Evanescent- 2017-09-24T19:45:37+00:00

Comparing to my recent style of mapping I guess my style has changed a lot, I'm considering a remap but will focus on the mods as well.

Placeholder here (Holy shit I haven't been here for a long time)

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-09-24T20:00:59+00:00

fix

SPOILER

osu file format v14

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A r M i N

1,305 posts

Joined October 2014

A r M i N 2017-09-24T20:40:56+00:00

No way, the set is done
Gonna reply tomorrow

Yamicchi

1,175 posts

Joined May 2015

Yamicchi 2017-09-25T11:36:35+00:00

[Easy]
• 00:43:092 (7) - 2/1 slider works better as the beat here is 3/4, using 1/1 to represent it is kinda awkward to hear
• 00:48:943 (2) - 2 circles?
• 00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - I personally prefer this rhythm choice you had on 01:00:346 (1,2,3,4,1) - tbh, it sounds much better than this one
- Patterns are fine, I just don't feel interested in the rhythm choice
[Normal]
• 00:00:482 (1,3) - these represent similar sounds so I think (1) works better as 1/1 slider
• 00:22:687 - as you're not skipping the drum, doing it here would make such a huge confusion.
• 00:46:093 (1) - 01:10:699 (2) - these touched HP bar uwu
[Advanced]
• 00:15:485 - eh why you made this unclickable though ;w;
[Hyper]
• Why not Hard lol
• 00:30:939 (2,3) - You're using stacks for 1/2 lately, the 1/1 stack might be inconsistent and also confusing. If you wanna introduce the concept, a better way is to make the next object a slider or some sort

Wew good luck uwu sorry for short mod

TheKingHenry

1,665 posts

Joined October 2014

TheKingHenry 2017-09-27T14:27:49+00:00

Hello mod from my queue~

Another

00:05:132 (1,2,3) - now that you are following the bass, maybe add that one circle at 00:05:883 - too? Kinda makes no sense otherwise not following it properly since bass is the only one you have there
00:48:043 (3,4) - alternatively this is too low spacing or 00:48:193 (4,5) - this is too high spacing. If you are going along with the lowering intensity with 00:48:043 (3,4) - then 00:48:193 (4,5) - is too high spacing and if you want to keep the jumps going then 00:48:043 (3,4) - is too low (that being said, in this case 00:48:193 (4,5) - would still be fairly high spacing though)
00:59:146 (6,1) - tune the stack so that these are stacked instead of 00:59:146 (6,3) - ? I know the automatic thingy makes it difficult but it doesn't change the fact that this looks fucked up

Evanescent's Expert

00:02:732 (1,2) - fix blanket
00:03:932 (1,6) - stack?
00:07:083 (3,1) - tbh this blanket could use tuning too
00:54:645 (1) - not looking too good, the head half curve isn't even (kinda looks sharp too) and the tail half is straightening towards the end. Just example, many other wave sliders kinda gave me the here and there impression as well
01:08:898 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - don't feel like the case of emphasising vocals makes sense here like it did last time undermapping stuff at 00:28:688 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - like, I find it kinda funny how you are undermapping here when we have proper stuff like this but then there are like couple dozen triples on places where I don't think exists any ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
01:17:600 (2,4) - stack?

A r M i N's Extra

00:07:533 (1,4,5) - would look better if you'd adjust it so that the one stacking 00:07:533 (1) - is 00:08:208 (4) - not 00:08:283 (5) -
00:15:185 (1,2,3,4,1) - curve looks broken

Kibb's Belief

00:08:133 (1) - I don't think this NC is necessary, the last measure was only 1 NC too.
00:09:934 (1,2,3) - I'd NC the 3 instead of the current 1, would make more sense to NC the white tick instead of prioritizing the triple (it's not like it has similar emphasis as 00:11:134 (1) - for example does anyways) You actually did it at 00:31:539 (3,4,1) - for example
00:31:989 (3,1) - fix stack
00:38:891 (1,2,3) - I think these would be better off as smth like 00:01:982 (2,3,4) - to properly differentiate from the triples before and during the section
00:44:592 (2,1) - fix stack
00:57:345 (3,4,5,6,7) - now just noticed, are there more of stuff like this that isn't in the music? Also could blanket 00:57:645 (6,1) - tbh

Good luck!

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-09-28T17:15:30+00:00

TheKingHenry wrote:
Hello mod from my queue~
Another
00:05:132 (1,2,3) - now that you are following the bass, maybe add that one circle at 00:05:883 - too? Kinda makes no sense otherwise not following it properly since bass is the only one you have there I added a 1/2 slider which works just as well, I'd need to move stuff around too much with the hitcircle imo
00:48:043 (3,4) - alternatively this is too low spacing or 00:48:193 (4,5) - this is too high spacing. If you are going along with the lowering intensity with 00:48:043 (3,4) - then 00:48:193 (4,5) - is too high spacing and if you want to keep the jumps going then 00:48:043 (3,4) - is too low (that being said, in this case 00:48:193 (4,5) - would still be fairly high spacing though) The spacing of (4) and (5) is fine imo, the hitcircles are one of the highest spaced (if not the highest) in the map, which I wanted to accomplish for the sake of much emphasis. I did however fix the spacing between (3) and (4) since C00L mentioned it too.
00:59:146 (6,1) - tune the stack so that these are stacked instead of 00:59:146 (6,3) - ? I know the automatic thingy makes it difficult but it doesn't change the fact that this looks fucked up Tbh, I did notice that, however I think it ties in with the overlapped 1/1 stacks just fine so I'll leave it for now
Good luck!

Yamicchi wrote:
[Normal]
• 00:00:482 (1,3) - these represent similar sounds so I think (1) works better as 1/1 slider ~~For Astarte~~ Nah, I think differentiating between the pitches is good
• 00:22:687 - as you're not skipping the drum, doing it here would make such a huge confusion. I'd rather not add a beat there for emphasis to the next note
• 00:46:093 (1) - 01:10:699 (2) - these touched HP bar uwu It's not that significant and I don't think it's really unrankable (idk tho) so I'll leave it for now

Thanks both of you! Updated with Kibb's, waiting on the others~

Last edited by _DT3 2017-10-28T12:19:28+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

Minorsonek

402 posts

Joined December 2014

Minorsonek 2017-09-29T13:24:12+00:00

hi, m4m with my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/661244

Another

00:01:858 - unsnapped slider end
00:03:857 - unused green line
00:13:534 (1,1) - fix blanket
00:15:485 (1,2) - i would suggest to do a jump here for better emphasition for the strongest sound (something like https://i.imgur.com/YKFuMAu.png), but its up to you, not necessary
00:32:739 (1,2) - blanket is so weird here, fix it
00:36:490 (1,2) - overlap this like 00:37:691 (1,1) -
01:09:498 (1,2) - if u did my previous suggestion
01:25:552 (1,5) - blanket is few pixels off

Lasse

00:01:832 - unused greenline
00:27:713 - ^
01:18:801 (6) - sound changes here, i would add at least NC

Evascenemenescement

00:03:932 - is the same sound as 00:01:506 - so whats the reason to map it differently?
00:06:333 (1,5) - blanket
00:07:083 (3,1) - blanket
00:12:334 (1,4) - blanket
00:29:288 (1,4) - blanket
00:30:489 (1,2) - blanket (this one is really off)
00:33:940 (1,5) - blanket (again, really needs fix there)
00:35:140 (1,3) - blanket
00:36:490 (1,1) - you could blanket it easily, whats the reason not to?
00:46:243 (2,2) - these two is stacked, so stack with 00:48:193 (1) - this one too
00:50:744 (1,3) - blanket
00:58:996 (6,1) - blanket
01:02:147 (1,6) - blanket (bad one)
01:24:352 (1,2) - blanket
01:26:453 (2,1) - blanket (bad one)

blankets with () need to be fixed, but normal blankets are just if you wanna be pixel perfect (for ranked quality i think its necessary)

Armin

00:03:932 (1,5) - you stacked here on last note, so 00:10:084 (1,4) - stack it with last note too
00:16:085 - 00:17:135 - what are these green lines for?
00:55:095 (4) - weird overlap with 00:42:642 (2) - 00:43:542 (1) - , stack it if possible
01:09:949 - up to 01:14:750 - is slow part and sound is calm, why kiai time here?
01:27:803 (1) - i would suggest to remove NC and add 01:27:953 (2) - NC here

Kibb

00:01:213 (2,1) - if you copy 00:00:994 (8,1) - and rotate it by 80 degree, you can see overlap isnt consistent and two sliders dont overlap with themselves perfectly (https://i.imgur.com/oA5VGlH.png)
00:13:084 (6,1) - blanket isnt perfect here
00:30:639 (7,1) - ^
00:33:639 (4,1) - looks kinda weird to be overlapped by this triple in unconvetional way
00:41:591 (2,3,4) - i would stack this at the end of 00:40:541 (8) - (or at head if you want, looks bad right now)
00:57:645 (6,1) - blanket
01:00:271 (4,1) - ^
01:05:147 (1,2) - blanket
01:16:700 (6,3) - stack it
01:18:801 (5,1) - stack
01:26:603 (6,1) - blanket
01:27:953 (1) - you can do some volume manipulation like in previous diffs

That's it, i dont see any major problems in this mapset since it was modded quite a few times, mostly aesthetics things that can improve map only a little bit.

Lasse

osu! Alumni

3,644 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-09-29T14:52:06+00:00

Yoges: first thing makes it pretty lol to read and plays worse overall, current movement works fine as it's a noticeable change
remade the other pattern cause idk why it was mapped in groups of 3 to begin with

Minorsonek: ruins the pattern that was mapped to the consistent drumroll

thanks!

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Title:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
TitleUnicode:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
ArtistUnicode:LiSA
Creator:_DT3
Version:Lasse's Insane
Source:クオリディア・コード
Tags:Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single ShogunMoon Astarte Mir LCFC LowComboFC Plaudible Lasse Evanescent- A_r_M_i_N Armin Kibbleru
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_DT3

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_DT3 2017-09-30T17:03:56+00:00

Minorsonek wrote:
hi, m4m with my map: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/661244

Another
00:01:858 - unsnapped slider end It's kinda hard to fix, would need to edit the next slider too then
00:03:857 - unused green line Removed
00:13:534 (1,1) - fix blanket
00:15:485 (1,2) - i would suggest to do a jump here for better emphasition for the strongest sound (something like https://i.imgur.com/YKFuMAu.png), but its up to you, not necessary I'd rather keep the stack, it feels more emphasizing here
00:32:739 (1,2) - blanket is so weird here, fix it
00:36:490 (1,2) - overlap this like 00:37:691 (1,1) - It's pretty similar though o.o
01:09:498 (1,2) - if u did my previous suggestion This one I'd rather not because of meaning to completely stack it
01:25:552 (1,5) - blanket is few pixels off

I'll try to fix the blankets if they don't require moving around too much

That's it, i dont see any major problems in this mapset since it was modded quite a few times, mostly aesthetics things that can improve map only a little bit.

Thanks for modding! Updated with Lasse's diff
Will get to modding yours asap

Mir

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Mir 2017-09-30T19:33:13+00:00

SPOILER

21:03 _DT3: Hey o/
21:03 Mir: hiya
21:03 _DT3: Do you have some time for an opinion on a diff?

21:03 Mir: sure
21:04 *_DT3 is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1415712 LiSA - Brave Freak Out -TV ver.- [Another]]
21:04 _DT3: I remapped it for the 4th time lool
21:04 _DT3: I'm not so sure with it since I tried to do sth different
21:08 Mir: i hate the 1/2 slider ends that are silenced
21:08 Mir: they throw me off so much
21:08 _DT3: Wait which ones are
21:08 _DT3: Or do you mean the 3/4
21:08 Mir: wait they're not even 1/2
21:08 Mir: i read them as 1/2 all the time
21:08 Mir: probably why they felt so bad
21:08 _DT3: Haha lool
21:09 Mir: 00:28:988 (1,2,3) - two kicksliders would be nicer
21:09 Mir: 00:29:288 (1,2) - makes this easier to hit and more emphasis on it too
21:09 Mir: plus two vocals there
21:09 _DT3: Ok will do that
21:09 _DT3: C00L pointed that out too
21:10 Mir: 00:46:093 (1,2,3) - these feel pretty lame tbh
21:10 Mir: snares and kicks aren't rly differentiated
21:11 Mir: 00:52:094 (1) - this screams two circles and feels really weird as a slider
21:11 Mir: if ur following vocals 00:52:544 - should be a click too
21:11 _DT3: True, there are two kicks there
21:12 _DT3: Well that is a no tho
21:12 _DT3: Meant to alternate to instruments
21:12 Mir: apply all to 00:56:895 (1) - and whatnot
21:12 Mir: ok fair it's not a major thing cuz snare on head anyways
21:12 Mir: 00:57:195 (2,3,4) - weird cuz vocals emphasize red and 00:57:495 (3) - has a slider for two kicks too
21:13 Mir: just overall kinda awkward rhythm there imo
21:14 Mir: 01:03:497 (3,4,1) - implies vocals but 01:04:247 (2,3,4) - doesn't follow vocals
21:14 Mir: made me go ?_?
21:14 _DT3: Oops yeah forgot to fix that
21:16 Mir: 01:20:751 (6,1,2) - i dont rly like this rhythm either hmm
21:16 Mir: 01:20:601 (5,6) - should be a slider if you don't want to follow guitar
21:16 Mir: 01:20:901 (1,2) - then circles here cuz you hitsounded kicks on all of those
21:17 Mir: 00:01:506 (1) - also you can extend this to00:02:132 -
21:19 Mir: also use sv .565 to get it to snap to the red
21:19 _DT3: Oky
21:19 Mir: or you can snap to 00:02:282 -
21:20 Mir: in which case you need to edit the .osu or use a taiko sv
21:20 _DT3: I think the red tick snap there is more appropriate
21:20 Mir: fair
21:21 _DT3: Oh about this rhythm here again 00:52:094 (1) -
21:21 _DT3: Would it be fine to leave it as a slider maybe?
21:21 Mir: why
21:23 _DT3: To emphasize the white ticks, it feels more appropriate to me since the jump patterns with 3 or more clickable objects are supposed to emphasize the stronger sounds
21:23 _DT3: E.g. 00:51:794 (4,5,1) -
21:23 _DT3: Which is supposed to emphasize 00:52:094 (1) -
21:23 Mir: just space the white tick more?
21:24 Mir: you have a stack with 4,5 anyways
21:24 Mir: 1 is gonna be emphasized either way
21:24 Mir: even if it's two circles
21:24 _DT3: Imo then 00:52:394 (2) - will be emphasized
21:24 _DT3: Since it would be the end of the jump pattern
21:24 Mir: it has a snare on it doesn't it? does it not deserve that emphasis
21:25 _DT3: I don't think I empasize the snares unless they really do stick out
21:25 Mir: if you're gonna switch to drums after anyways it seems even more appropriate to emphasize that note
21:25 _DT3: *emphasize
21:26 _DT3: Hmm
21:28 _DT3: Gotta think about that one, if I change all of the two-kick 1/2 sliders into hitcircles it's too much jump spam x)
21:28 _DT3: But I'll consider it
21:28 Mir: it's 5.25* :l i don't think jump spam really matters + anime
21:28 Mir: ya thats all from me then
21:28 _DT3: Do you think it was fine though?
21:29 Mir: not a fan of the rhythm as i already mentioned
21:29 Mir: i feel like
21:29 Mir: either focus drums or vocals
21:29 Mir: but the way you switch feels really weird
21:29 Mir: not sure why but it does
21:31 _DT3: I'll see if I can do anything about it
21:31 _DT3: What about the visual organisation?
21:31 Mir: looked good
21:32 _DT3: Oky
21:32 _DT3: THanks!
21:32 _DT3: If you want you can post
21:32 Mir: oh goodie kds

talked bout another

LowAccuracySS

605 posts

Joined October 2015

LowAccuracySS 2017-10-02T13:02:02+00:00

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MaridiuS

879 posts

Joined June 2014

MaridiuS 2017-10-02T23:50:28+00:00

A r M i N wrote:
No way, the set is done
Gonna reply tomorrow

8 days later...

Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2017-10-06T21:43:16+00:00

i remapped it lol but idk if hs it's fine (i copy paste them from Sho's Easy)

shogun's easy

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_DT3

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Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-10-07T21:41:26+00:00

Updated!

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-08T08:06:14+00:00

Sorry for the late reply, I fixed the point yoges mentioned 00:29:288 (1,2,3,4,5) - here

I believe 00:30:939 (2,3) - this gap is readable as this is practically a mini insane, a player of this skill should be able to read this smoothly, and it's not that it's inconsistent as it isn't the only time it's seen lol

diff

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timemon

Beatmap Nominator

1,307 posts

Joined November 2012

timemon 2017-10-12T13:48:36+00:00

[Evanescent's Expert]
00:38:291 (4,5) - you could space out the circle more I think, the spacing is quite low
01:09:048 (3,4,5) - try kicksliders instead? to catch all those 1/4 sound

01:11:824 (8) - why a triplet, I dont hear anything on blue tick

01:13:850 (2) - could fix this visual

01:23:152 (2,3) - ctrl+G this rhythm, the strong sound deserves to be a slider and it fits better I believe

01:27:653 (6,7) - I think the spacing here is too big tbh

[Another]
00:38:891 (1) - the second reverse is quite unexpected,

00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - you are following the vocal here why suddenly switch to the instrument at 00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) -

00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - ctrl+G this rhythm will work better in my opinion, all vocal will be clickable, while instruments will be passively mapped
same applies to 00:56:895 (1,2,3,4) - and so on

01:19:551 - is this kiai section even needed? I feel like it's not really there compared to the preview

[A r M i N's Extra]
seems to be fine

gl

DeletedUser_423548

DeletedUser_423548 2017-10-14T18:27:27+00:00

m4m
General

Please apply video to all diff if this map is ready
Please uncheck widescreen support

Shogun's Easy

00:22:687 (4,5) - I think the 1/1 slider is better
00:28:688 (2,3) - I think that there is no problem if the sound is emphasized like this
00:31:689 (5) - Add NC
00:35:590 (3,3) - Why not stack?
01:17:901 (2) - I think two circles
01:08:298 (2,3) - just like here

Collab Normal

00:20:136 (4) - This sound suddenly picked up a vocal and it is very incongruous
00:20:286 - It is better to start from here
00:22:687 - Why not pick up the sound?
00:26:888 (1) - Remove NC
00:46:093 (1) - Offscreen
01:17:600 (2) - If you pick up a vocal 01:17:751 - it is starting from here

Mir's Advanced

00:01:067 (3) - I think the circle is better because the last sound of return is so conspicuous 00:01:360 - this
00:13:234 (3,1) - Is overlap inevitable?
00:10:834 (3,1) - like this
00:13:985 (2) - 00:15:635 (3) - stack miss?
00:25:688 (1,2) - I feel uncomfortable in the rhythm
I think the rhythm of the image is good Image
00:42:792 (1) - Remove NC 00:43:092 (2) - Add NC
01:07:548 (1,2) - The slider is close and it looks very bad

LCFC's Hyper

00:43:092 (1) - I'm pretty much emphasizing the song so how about making SV faster?
00:46:093 - ^
01:13:249 (4,1) - You had better leave it a bit.
01:13:549 (1) - 01:12:799 (2) - stack?

Plaudible's Insane

00:07:533 (1,1) - stack miss?
Wow Good map!

~~I will write a continuation.~~

Lasse's Insane

nothing

Another

00:46:993 (4) -00:48:193 (4) - Add NC?
01:19:551 (1,2,1) - stack miss?
01:27:653 (6,7) - I think that it is better not to stack because the end of the song is so intense

Evanescent's Expert

00:03:932 (1,6) - stack miss?
00:28:988 (5) - Add NC?
00:38:291 (4,5) - I think that it is better to leave a little distance
This distance suddenly becomes smaller so I think the player is hard to react
00:45:793 (3) - I think that it is better to leave one circle by placing a circle
00:44:592 (1) - like this
01:00:346 (1) - Offscreen
01:04:547 (4,1) - stack miss?
01:09:123 - Since there is sound also here, it is better to stream
01:11:149 (5) - Add NC?

A r M i N's Extra

00:15:185 (1,2,3,4,1) - The shape looks strange
00:14:885 (1,2,3,4,1) - It is better to clean it like this
01:08:748 (2,2) - How about stack?
01:09:048 (2,2) - like this
01:18:801 (5) - Add NC?

Kibb's Belief

nothing

Good luck!

Last edited by DeletedUser_423548 2017-10-15T05:38:06+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-14T18:33:30+00:00

Yasaija 714 wrote:
LCFC's Hyper
00:43:092 (1) - I'm pretty much emphasizing the song so how about making SV faster? I don't think it's worth emphasizing, if it was a higher diff I'd probably take it into account though
00:46:093 - ^ ^ + it has less intensity than above soo
01:13:249 (4,1) - You had better leave it a bit. I don't understand
01:13:549 (1) - 01:12:799 (2) - stack? it looks too cluttered

thank

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-10-14T19:19:33+00:00

timemon wrote:
[Another]
00:38:891 (1) - the second reverse is quite unexpected, There is enough time to notice it imo

00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - you are following the vocal here why suddenly switch to the instrument at 00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - In the kiai I switch the instruments I'm following every measure (vocal <-> drums) so that it doesn't get too monotonous

00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - ctrl+G this rhythm will work better in my opinion, all vocal will be clickable, while instruments will be passively mapped
same applies to 00:56:895 (1,2,3,4) - and so on Ties in with the explanation above, also it's like this so that the clickable stuff doesn't overlap with the vocals too much

01:19:551 - is this kiai section even needed? I feel like it's not really there compared to the preview I think this has been pointed out before, removed them in Normal too

Yasaija 714 wrote:
m4m
General
Please apply video to all diff if this map is ready Oh yes thanks for reminding me ^^
Please uncheck widescreen support Not necessary but I'll fix it
Collab Normal
00:20:136 (4) - This sound suddenly picked up a vocal and it is very incongruous
00:20:286 - It is better to start from here Agree
00:22:687 - Why not pick up the sound? As mentioned the sudden snares at 00:22:087 (3,4) - feel more emphasized like that imo
00:26:888 (1) - Remove NC Yep, thanks ^^
00:46:093 (1) - Offscreen I think you mean it touches the hp bar but that's fine too I think (Astarte's)
01:17:600 (2) - If you pick up a vocal 01:17:751 - it is starting from here ~~Astarte's~~ Nvm was mine anyways, but it's clear that the instruments are being picked up there
Another
00:46:993 (4) -00:48:193 (4) - Add NC? Seems kinda redundant because the next note is NCd too
01:19:551 (1,2,1) - stack miss? Would rather keep the triangle 01:20:301 (3,4,5) -
01:27:653 (6,7) - I think that it is better not to stack because the end of the song is so intense Yep agree
Good luck! Thanks!

Neoskylove wrote:
Q

[Another]
00:08:733 (1,2) - I think this 3/4 beat looks not so good since you didn't try it well. I can make it overlap less
00:48:193 (4) - Nc here? See above
01:12:949 - I suggest adding beat here Hmm, why?

[Normal]
Add video
00:05:132 - I think this part looks strong, so I think this part should be clickable. ~~Astarte's~~ Works fine on the slidertail since a hitcircle there is too much and he wanted to make the other things clickable
00:46:093 (1) - try to avoid overlap with HP bar As above I guess
01:09:648 - Add beat here? looks strong bear imo. ~~Also Astarte's~~ Helps to emphasize imo
01:23:152 (4,6) - blanket? Not that noticeable

GL Thanks!

Thanks everyone! Will also reply for A r M i N's Extra soon because he actually asked me a long time ago lmao
Also update everyone with the video!

Last edited by _DT3 2017-10-28T12:22:44+00:00, edited 3 times in total.

Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2017-10-14T20:01:46+00:00

Yasaija 714 wrote:
m4m

Shogun's Easy
00:22:687 (4,5) - I think the 1/1 slider is better wanted to emphasis drums
00:28:688 (2,3) - I think that there is no problem if the sound is emphasized like this
00:31:689 (5) - Add NC
00:35:590 (3,3) - Why not stack?
01:17:901 (2) - I think two circles
01:08:298 (2,3) - just like here

No reply mean fixed ~

Thanks for modding!

o

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Affirmation

2,548 posts

Joined March 2015

Affirmation 2017-10-17T06:57:05+00:00

Q

[Another]
00:08:733 (1,2) - I think this 3/4 beat looks not so good since you didn't try it well.
00:48:193 (4) - Nc here?
01:12:949 - I suggest adding beat here

[Normal]
Add video
00:05:132 - I think this part looks strong, so I think this part should be clickable.
00:46:093 (1) - try to avoid overlap with HP bar
01:09:648 - Add beat here? looks strong bear imo.
01:23:152 (4,6) - blanket?

GL

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-10-25T05:16:52+00:00

i hate lisa

General
Check AI mod
something is telling me 199.95 bpm can't be right, can you check with someone who times stuff well
00:28:088 (1) - timing is off here

Shogun's Easy
00:28:088 (1,2,3,1) - Can you polish this so that the angles between the objects are the same
00:48:493 (1) - Make this slider different to the previous ones, much stronger sounds but same shape. Rotate it or add a slider node for emphasis.
01:14:450 (4) - the heck are you using distance spacing for

Collab Normal
01:27:503 (6,7) - yeah don't do that on normal, just delete 01:27:803 (7) -
seems fine

Mir's Advanced
00:06:783 (3,4,5,1,2,3) - Using six 1/2 sliders doesn't follow the many rhythm changes. Either add a 1/1 slider, a reverse 1/2, circle or something else for variety like other sections.
01:09:648 (4,1) - Angle between these is a bit too sharp, move 1 left a bit

LCFC's Hyper
00:28:988 (4) - Can you move this so it's closer to the tail of 3, would make it clearer that it's a 4x repeat and not 3x.
00:30:939 (2,3) - Since you're using 1/1 stacks quite frequently, I'd suggest to lower stack leniancy just so there's a visual difference to the 1/2 stacks.
00:47:293 (1,2) - Would look more interesting if it wasn't 100% copy paste of 00:46:093 (1,2) - , rotate or ctrl G + J would be better
01:23:002 (6,7) - Don't stack these since there's a finish on the second circle, movement would emphasise it better. Could stack 7 on 1 instead but that feels weird. (eg. 00:51:794 (4,5,1) - 00:52:844 (4,5,1) - stuff like that where you contrast low movement to emphasise non-stacked objects)

Plaudible's Insane
00:30:339 (5,1) - I think this would flow better if distance here was larger, maybe move 1 right. I prefer having larger distances on downbeats and this distance is smaller so that's an opinion.
01:09:648 (2) - remove finish
01:15:200 (2,3) - 01:15:800 (4,1) - Pretty small distance for a 1/1, would suggest to increase distance so it doesn't get read as a 1/2

Lasses Insane
00:00:482 (1,2,3,4) - lmao
00:34:540 (1) - Can you fix this overlap, just drag this slider so it snaps to the head, then rotate it -1 degrees on selection center.
01:13:099 (1,2,3) - Would prefer larger spacing so it's clearer this is 1/2 and not 1/4

Another
00:17:135 (1) - This is 1/6
00:27:488 (3,4,1) - Clean this up so it's straight
Starting around 20 seconds, the left side is almost totally ignore. You could put a couple objects on that side to use the playfield a bit more
00:55:395 (4,1) - Distance is really small here, compare to 01:02:597 (4,1) - & 00:57:796 (4,1) -
For 1/1 sliders used in the kiai, six in a row are all vertical. If you could make one horizontal that would add some variety

Evanescent's Expert
Hitsounds are often lacking, just using snares isn't enough and soft-hitnormal plays too often. Add some kicks, finishes and stuff.
00:00:482 (1) - Where are the hitsounds :blobsweats:
00:21:486 (3,4,5) - uh what happened here, 3,4 are jumps with no sound and the drum kick is on the tail of 5. It's inconsistent with 00:20:286 (3,4,5) -
00:40:316 (3) - 00:42:417 (5) - No need for triplet emphasis on a low intensity section
00:46:993 (1,2,3,4,1) - This is overmapped, no audible sounds for a stream
Ok what are you following in the kiai
00:52:394 (3,4) - 00:54:195 (5) - Vocals are on tails and are not followed
00:54:645 (1) - Vocals are is followed and drum is only mapped to slider tick
Following one idea or the other is fine, but you're switching between the two a lot. This is a very general thing that applies to most of the diff
00:57:796 (6) - 01:02:597 (2) - A sound this strong should not be on the tail.
00:58:096 (1) - 01:02:897 (3) - There is no sound here.
01:04:847 (5,1) - Distance here is too small with a strong sound, and contrasts with 01:06:048 (4,5) - which only has a snare but is much harder to play.
01:08:898 (1) - How this was mapped at 00:59:596 (2) - is completely different, try and make them more consistent with each other. You could map both and be fine with spread since there's so many diffs
01:23:002 (1,2,3) - 2 is a strong sound, but the distances of 1,2,3 are pretty much the same. Decrease the distance to 3 else 2 is under emphasised.
01:23:752 (5) - Just rotate this CCW a bit, 5,6 is pretty big jump

Armin's Extra is sick

Kibb's Belief
00:16:085 (1) - hitsound is too much aaa, decrease volume or change sample
00:27:788 (4,1) - Increase distance between these a bit for better leniency to next pattern
01:06:498 (1) - That's a bit close to 6, maybe put the slider head in the center of the triangle, or closer to 4/5

Set looks fine, but I'm not a fan of Evanescent's diff. There's a lot of questionable parts that ignore large downbeats or important sounds and prioritise sounds that don't exist. Call me back once that's been fixed

Lasse

osu! Alumni

3,644 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-10-25T09:00:24+00:00

fixed the overlap thing
other one is fine to read imo, the part uses really low base spacing and the spacing also makes it easy to read it correctly from approach circles
changed like 2 ncs and reduced hp to be more fitting with the other diffs
thank

https://0paste.com/16831.txt

Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2017-10-25T11:02:29+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
i hate lisa

Shogun's Easy
00:28:088 (1,2,3,1) - Can you polish this so that the angles between the objects are the same
00:48:493 (1) - Make this slider different to the previous ones, much stronger sounds but same shape. Rotate it or add a slider node for emphasis.
01:14:450 (4) - the heck are you using distance spacing for fuk

All fixed ~

Thanks for modding!

blub

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Tags:Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single ShogunMoon Astarte Mir LCFC LowComboFC Plaudible Lasse Evanescent- A_r_M_i_N Armin Kibbleru
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lcfc

813 posts

Joined October 2015

lcfc 2017-10-25T12:20:46+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
LCFC's Hyper
00:28:988 (4) - Can you move this so it's closer to the tail of 3, would make it clearer that it's a 4x repeat and not 3x. I think players of this skill level can easily read that, I mean I'm a player of that skill level anyway :d
00:30:939 (2,3) - Since you're using 1/1 stacks quite frequently, I'd suggest to lower stack leniancy just so there's a visual difference to the 1/2 stacks. best suggestion so far, I'm a dumb folk
00:47:293 (1,2) - Would look more interesting if it wasn't 100% copy paste of 00:46:093 (1,2) - , rotate or ctrl G + J would be better hell yea
01:23:002 (6,7) - Don't stack these since there's a finish on the second circle, movement would emphasise it better. Could stack 7 on 1 instead but that feels weird. (eg. 00:51:794 (4,5,1) - 00:52:844 (4,5,1) - stuff like that where you contrast low movement to emphasise non-stacked objects) Actually, I think stacking it on 1 is quite fine, I don't wanna have them all spaced

Thank you!

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Mir 2017-10-26T21:39:58+00:00

did those and some more changes like adding some stacks and ncs

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Plaudible

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Joined September 2015

Plaudible 2017-10-26T22:03:51+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
Plaudible's Insane
00:30:339 (5,1) - I think this would flow better if distance here was larger, maybe move 1 right. I prefer having larger distances on downbeats and this distance is smaller so that's an opinion. Mainly got this from vocal intensity, the strong sounds and drums on the circles before are more important, and this I wanted to kinda sit back in terms of emphasis since it's weaker, just being a downbeat alone isn't enough imo
01:09:648 (2) - remove finish it's in most diffs afaik, you don't mention it in all o-o if you still want it changed though @dt3 pls fix
01:15:200 (2,3) - 01:15:800 (4,1) - Pretty small distance for a 1/1, would suggest to increase distance so it doesn't get read as a 1/2 fixed

thx sinnoh <3

upd00t

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_DT3

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_DT3 2017-10-27T21:53:53+00:00

Replies for A r M i N (and missed ones by Plaudible)

Yoges wrote:
[A r M i N]
00:00:482 (1,2,3,4,5) - I'm curios, why this rhythm? Are you trying to put emphasis on the pitch changes in the snares? If you are then could you maybe not have a slider for the (3) or do something a bit more different for (4,5) cause the pitches pair the later 2 while the first is on it's own. Do agree here, gonna change the patterning a bit
00:32:739 (1) - Need more emphasis through angles for this slider cause of the vocal like you have for 00:34:840 (5,1) - . Movement between from the (4) before it into itself is too smooth. It does sound weaker than the other one tbh, so I think that this pattern works just fine too
00:38:666 (2,4) - These don't exist. And rhythm wise the transition from the stream into the 1/1 notes is more natural with 1/2 notes at the end if you delete these. I think it helps emphasize the (1) more personally
01:16:700 (5,6,7) - Why do you think that's appropriate here? What is there to express by breaking the movement from before with co-linear jumps? Only thing I can think of is vocals but if it is that then I think replacing the (5,6) with a slider would be more appropriate. Breaking movement with linear jumps is more appropriate when there's a sound on EACH object the vocals only land on the (5) and possibly the (6) if you want to map the guitar passively and express the vocals "hold" feel. Kinda agree here but I think that this pattern works better: A slider would ruin motion here quite a bit, even if emphasis here is fitting (although emphasis with the slider would be wrong to me imo), I can't think of a pattern that would exactly fit the condidtions

[Plaudible]
00:25:688 (1,2,3,4) - Those could be spaced more to reflect the build up. Bit underwhelming atm. Structure is more important here imo
00:07:383 (5,1) - Maybe stack the (1) on the 5 instead? I get the movement but it's just the slider's more suited to accepting clockwise motion into it as opposed to anti-clockwise movement. Stacking just eliminates that and makes it snappy. Meh, might have some truth to it, would be inconsistent with how other similar patterns are emphasized and stacking for those is not fitting imo

MaridiuS wrote:
[a r m i n]
00:01:213 (3,4) - Don't really like these being soft, they're clear drum hits and should also be drums or normal idk Tested it beforehand tbh but didn't blend in well with the other hitsounds
00:01:506 (1) - this looks like it is unsnapped in the new timing line, I believe this to be unrankable. Fixed
00:06:333 - seems like you have two inhereting points here Oops, fixed
00:06:333 (2) - I suggest giving this one more emphasis, it is really impactful compared to other cymbal/guitar sounds. Fixed
00:10:534 (3) - suggest in making this a triple, its a drum roll afteroll xd Yeah, done xd
00:19:536 (1,3,4) - a bit confused as to why are you switching from drum (questionable following) to 00:22:087 (1,3) - vocals here Not sure either but gonna leave it because I can't find another suggestion
00:26:288 (1,1) - pattern seems perfectly fine without these being NCed. Agree
00:32:664 - could use this note, its a snare or something. Don't hear anything there o.o
00:34:540 (4,5,1) - small suggestion, but giving them big spacing would be dope, since the snares are different than the rest, and it sounds louder with the guitar backing it up strongly. I'd give special notice to this. Yep, increased spacing for (5)
00:35:890 (4,5) - you could make this into 4 circles since every note is either a kick or a snare, and would prepare the players for the jumps to come. Feels a bit weird with the rather calm vocals imo, gonna leave this
00:38:666 (2,4) - these seem to be overmapped, therefore I suggest to make the notes on white/red ticks into kickslider to follow the nature of 1/4, without feeling like overmap. As above
00:47:293 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - little confused to why is the intesity dropping here in the map, its lower than when it started. It feels fine when the density in rhythm gets increased, it feels harder to play but I can increase the pattern as a whole (increased to 5.85 lmao)
00:53:144 (1) - strong guitar cymbal kick gets less spacing, and simply flow than random 00:52:994 (5) - snare, I don't suggest that.
00:54:045 (4) - not sure what is this following when the vocal hit is here 00:53:895 (3) - Looks like vocal pitch is being followed here too I think, can be fixed in the future though
00:57:045 (2) - earbleed vocals given 0 emphasis :V I think I fixed it
00:58:396 (2) - also no need to make this 1/1 when it doesn't follow vocals, + it ends on a rather strong beat that could be made to use to emphasize the last jumps before the section ends. I think he wanted to emphasized the vocals more like that, it pauses before the spaced hitcircles here 00:58:846 (3,4) -
00:58:621 - what is this inheriting point doing here Copied over from hitsounds, removed tho xd
01:03:947 (1) - earbleed vocals again 0 emphasis ;v Same as above
01:05:147 (1) - in order to keep the cymbal guitar hits the most emphasized, you could give this an red anchor not make it go off screen with given bigger spacing. Yep, should be fixed
01:06:498 (1) - impactful head and sliderend, I recommend to make it into 2 circles, otherwise I don't really understand why is it a slider, when you usually follow vocals with sliders like here 01:06:798 (2) - Gonna leave for now because I'm unsure whether Armin would want to fix this, gonna be fixed ofc if mentioned again
01:07:023 - 01:05:823 - random inheriting points, there are even more stray green lines, revisit and delete. I'll delete all you point out, but tbh it's not necessary
01:16:850 (6) - instead of giving this low spacing (since it has a kick on it, I suggest not to) I suggest giving this one instead 01:16:550 (4) - since its just a hithat, the only exception in the jump pattern of not being a kick or snare. As in Yoges' mod

Yasaija 714 wrote:
m4m

Plaudible's Insane
00:07:533 (1,1) - stack miss? Won't be recognizable anyways, I think it's fine
A r M i N's Extra
00:15:185 (1,2,3,4,1) - The shape looks strange
00:14:885 (1,2,3,4,1) - It is better to clean it like this Cleaned
01:08:748 (2,2) - How about stack? Gonna leave for now, unnecessary
01:09:048 (2,2) - like this
01:18:801 (5) - Add NC? Yep
Good luck!

Sinnoh wrote:
i hate lisa

General
Check AI mod Fixed
something is telling me 199.95 bpm can't be right, can you check with someone who times stuff well Believe it or not everything lower sounds too late and 200 already sounds too early later on lmao
00:28:088 (1) - timing is off here Agree, I have a timing I think could work, gotta ask for opinions tho

Collab Normal
01:27:503 (6,7) - yeah don't do that on normal, just delete 01:27:803 (7) - Replaced with a repeat slider
seems fine

Another
00:17:135 (1) - This is 1/6 It actually is snapped the following way: Head lands on the red tick, repeat lands on the last purple tick and end on the white tick (that's how it is for me at least). Playing that would feel weird so I simplified in a comprehensible way, Lasse did too. I can however make it consistent with Lasse's diff
00:27:488 (3,4,1) - Clean this up so it's straight Wanted to represent the 1/1 with a similar pattern as 00:05:132 (1,2,3,4,5) -
Starting around 20 seconds, the left side is almost totally ignore. You could put a couple objects on that side to use the playfield a bit more Heh yeah, was like that in a previous map of mine, I guess I do tend to place stuff on one side. However, I wouldn't want to ruin patterning with that so I'll leave it
00:55:395 (4,1) - Distance is really small here, compare to 01:02:597 (4,1) - & 00:57:796 (4,1) - It is the weakest one tbf, the stack on the tail is enough imo
For 1/1 sliders used in the kiai, six in a row are all vertical. If you could make one horizontal that would add some variety Again, I kinda do agree but the patterning takes priority for me since it is a big part of the map, as stuff is fine without moving it around, I'll leave these things

Set looks fine, but I'm not a fan of Evanescent's diff. There's a lot of questionable parts that ignore large downbeats or important sounds and prioritise sounds that don't exist. Call me back once that's been fixed

Thanks everyone for modding! Did some self-fixes too and will update everyone's diffs! Waiting on a response from Evanescent- and Kibbleru
Edit: Updated everyone's diffs and replied for Astarte since he's busy in the previous mods! Still waiting on Evanescent- ...

Last edited by _DT3 2017-10-29T15:21:09+00:00, edited 2 times in total.

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-10-27T22:51:08+00:00

fix all from sinno

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_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-10-29T14:00:05+00:00

Ok since stuff got cluttered, I want to make an extra post for the updates:

-Updated everyone's diffs
-Replied for Astarte, Armin and Plaudible's missing mods
-Deleted Evanescent's diff after asking him what he would want to do with the diff
-Did some self-modding and fixes on Another and A r M i N's Extra
-Changed HP Drain and OD a bit to match the spread
-Other fixes on placement and rhythm
-Added a timing diff, gotta get confirmation for it
-Also deleted soft-hitwhistle11, dunno what it was doing there

Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-10-31T14:54:43+00:00

Bubbled!

We deleted some unused hitsounds, fixed timing points, changed bg to jay peg, and removed a 1/12 snap

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-11-19T07:51:05+00:00

Can I get the metadata

Kibb
00:37:090 (3,2) - might as well stack them
01:17:600 (2,3,4,5) - rhythm is a bit weird imo since 01:17:901 - 01:18:201 - has pretty strong downbeats.

ar0
00:07:533 (1,3) - fix blanket
00:57:946 (1,2,4) - this looks pretty bad tbh
01:27:203 (1,1,1) - no need to NC spam
01:27:953 (2) - NC this
This should be cs4 tbh, 3.8 feels really awkward due to some spacings. Feels like you mapped with cs4 then made it bigger...
00:26:888 (1,2) - 00:28:688 (1,2,3) - etc looks bad

Another
00:48:193 (4) - NC

Normal
00:22:387 - use a 1/1 slider instead, it is too empty now
00:24:487 - circle

Also use a higher cs for easy because some notes almost overlapped.

m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/643391

Shunao

1,906 posts

Joined February 2016

Shunao 2017-11-19T15:11:07+00:00

i think 3.3 it's fine

s

osu file format v14

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AudioLeadIn: 0
PreviewTime: 49919
Countdown: 0
SampleSet: Soft
StackLeniency: 0.7
Mode: 0
LetterboxInBreaks: 0
WidescreenStoryboard: 1

[Editor]
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BeatDivisor: 4
GridSize: 4
TimelineZoom: 1.8

[Metadata]
Title:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
TitleUnicode:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
ArtistUnicode:LiSA
Creator:_DT3
Version:Shogun's Easy
Source:クオリディア・コード
Tags:Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single ShogunMoon Astarte Mir LCFC LowComboFC Plaudible Lasse Evanescent- A_r_M_i_N Armin Kibbleru
BeatmapID:1415713
BeatmapSetID:582520

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:2
CircleSize:3.3
OverallDifficulty:2
ApproachRate:3
SliderMultiplier:0.8
SliderTickRate:1

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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
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Xinnoh

Elite Mapper

1,962 posts

Joined April 2014

Xinnoh 2017-11-19T15:20:01+00:00

metadata

_DT3

1,403 posts

Joined October 2015

Topic Starter

_DT3 2017-11-19T16:00:20+00:00

Got some other metadata:
http://www.lxixsxa.com/disco/archive/?SVWC-70183

It's from LiSA's own website so I think that it's official too

Then ofc Sinnoh's metadata: https://www.aniplexplus.com/itemzCousYJk

sahuang wrote:
Can I get the metadata ^

Another
00:48:193 (4) - NC I've explained this before and my reasoning is that it wouldn't be consistent with 00:46:993 (4) - , which is essentially the same as the hitcircle

Normal
00:22:387 - use a 1/1 slider instead, it is too empty now Fine, so many people complained about it now I understand your concern and I'll fix it. Did sth else here though to follow vocals then
00:24:487 - circle Also did sth different but it's less empty now

m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/643391

Thanks sahuang! Updated with Shogun's Easy~
Waiting for Armin and Kibbleru

A r M i N

1,305 posts

Joined October 2014

A r M i N 2017-11-19T16:36:55+00:00

sahuang wrote:
Can I get the metadata

ar0
00:07:533 (1,3) - fix blanket
00:57:946 (1,2,4) - this looks pretty bad tbh I wasn't really sure what you didn't like about it so I replaced it with this: https://puu.sh/ypl8w/c1f55f1854.jpg ^^
01:27:203 (1,1,1) - no need to NC spam
01:27:953 (2) - NC this
This should be cs4 tbh, 3.8 feels really awkward due to some spacings. Feels like you mapped with cs4 then made it bigger... okay ^^
00:26:888 (1,2) - 00:28:688 (1,2,3) - etc looks bad spaced it more ^^

m4m https://osu.ppy.sh/s/643391

Fixed all thanks <3

@DT3 Vergiss nich die HS wieder drauf zu machen weil ich was geändert habe ^^

osu file format v14

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TitleUnicode:Brave Freak Out -TV ver.-
Artist:LiSA
ArtistUnicode:LiSA
Creator:_DT3
Version:A r M i N's Extra
Source:クオリディア・コード
Tags:Qualidea Code OP Opening Risa Oribe Tomoya Tabuchi Koichiro Takahashi 10th Single ShogunMoon Astarte Mir LCFC LowComboFC Plaudible Lasse Evanescent- A_r_M_i_N Armin Kibbleru
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Kibbleru

osu! Alumni

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Joined August 2013

Kibbleru 2017-11-20T00:55:01+00:00

fix first one.
second one i was intending to follow vocals o-o, rhythm sounds pretty natural for me

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_DT3

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_DT3 2017-11-20T17:29:36+00:00

Ok updated!
A r M i N's Extra is now harder than Kibb's Belief SR-wise so I have to rename both diffs lmao

Please re-download for that reason!

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A r M i N 2017-11-20T19:59:00+00:00

kool i am belief now

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sahuang 2017-12-09T03:20:46+00:00

Good for rebubble

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Xinnoh 2017-12-09T03:29:27+00:00

probation is more of a hindrance to mappers than the bn

bite you death

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bite you death 2017-12-09T13:06:59+00:00

what happened here

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DeRandom Otaku 2017-12-09T14:38:28+00:00

bite you death wrote:
what happened here

probation happened

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sahuang 2017-12-11T13:24:54+00:00

DeRandom Otaku wrote:
bite you death wrote:
what happened here
probation happened

q

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-11T14:13:33+00:00

Thanks a lot, sahuang and Sinnoh!

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Astarte 2017-12-11T16:37:24+00:00

Woohoo!

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Gz!!

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Grats

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Congratulations!

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-12T15:17:08+00:00

hi
your another diff could use a bit of work imo.

first off:
ar 9.4 feels very unfitting, it is too high. currently the object density is ridiculously low, there is like 1 or 2 things on screen at most points. it just feels like playing whackamole since there are no recognizable patterns; there are never any other things on screen to create a relationship. i suggest an ar between 9 and 9.3 instead. same thing for top diffs tbh, but it's particularly bad here because you use a lot of sliders so the object density is quite low relative to armin and kibb.

second:

your kiai rhythm feels like it doesn't really take into account the variations in vocal rhythm in the song.

here's what i mean:
00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are all mapped to vocals. however, at 00:52:244 - the vocal very clearly switches to the red tick. this is not reflected in your clicking rhythm at all since you now have a bunch of vocals on slider ends. I suggest a rhythm like http://puu.sh/yEP5c/b7d9233986.jpg this in order to highlight the offbeat vocals a bit more. atm they are pretty much ignored in favor of background drum stuff which is subpar since the vocals are much more prominent.

00:54:345 - same idea here, the vocals are quite strong and on the red ticks but the drums are given priority instead which feels rather unsatisfactory in gameplay.

00:56:895 (1,2) - this is even worse, there is a really loud vocal climax here, 00:57:045 - is super strong, but it is completely ignored
01:01:697 (1,2) - here you can see the vocal goes up in density, but again this is not really communicated to the player in any way since you copy pasted the rhythm from the first half.

yea basically, i think only following the white tick drums and ignoring all the vocal variations is not a good way to go about representing the most important part of the song which isn't the background drum beat but rather the more prominent vocal melody that has variations and offbeat based rhythm.

Mir

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Mir 2017-12-12T15:33:29+00:00

adding onto nao's post above, it doesn't even follow the drum variation properly since 1 and 3 of each 00:54:495 (1,2,3) - pattern have double drums on them which could be represented with circles better, or just following the vocals.

I talked to you about this rhythm like 2 months ago too... admittedly I wasn't as caring about it back then but I wish you would have actually taken it into account (also i didn't notice this was qualified so pls dont blame me with "why didnt u mod before qualify you were on the set!" tbh i forgot about this set lol)

also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something

01:09:949 - 01:14:750 - should this really be kiai still tho? seems not as intense and more like an intermission between the second and last chorus bit

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T15:57:38+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
hi
your another diff could use a bit of work imo.

first off:
ar 9.4 feels very unfitting, it is too high. currently the object density is ridiculously low, there is like 1 or 2 things on screen at most points. it just feels like playing whackamole since there are no recognizable patterns; there are never any other things on screen to create a relationship. i suggest an ar between 9 and 9.3 instead. same thing for top diffs tbh, but it's particularly bad here because you use a lot of sliders so the object density is quite low relative to armin and kibb. Could agree to this but imo lowering the AR does not make too much of a difference. I'm willing to fix this in case of a DQ but I'm not just DQing this for that sake

second:

your kiai rhythm feels like it doesn't really take into account the variations in vocal rhythm in the song.

here's what i mean:
00:50:744 (1,2,3,4,5) - these are all mapped to vocals. however, at 00:52:244 - the vocal very clearly switches to the red tick. this is not reflected in your clicking rhythm at all since you now have a bunch of vocals on slider ends. I suggest a rhythm like http://puu.sh/yEP5c/b7d9233986.jpg this in order to highlight the offbeat vocals a bit more. atm they are pretty much ignored in favor of background drum stuff which is subpar since the vocals are much more prominent.

00:54:345 - same idea here, the vocals are quite strong and on the red ticks but the drums are given priority instead which feels rather unsatisfactory in gameplay.

00:56:895 (1,2) - this is even worse, there is a really loud vocal climax here, 00:57:045 - is super strong, but it is completely ignored
01:01:697 (1,2) - here you can see the vocal goes up in density, but again this is not really communicated to the player in any way since you copy pasted the rhythm from the first half.

yea basically, i think only following the white tick drums and ignoring all the vocal variations is not a good way to go about representing the most important part of the song which isn't the background drum beat but rather the more prominent vocal melody that has variations and offbeat based rhythm.

Ok, I know about the fact that I switch between instruments every measure in the kiai but I actually have a reason for that: Every time I switch from the instruments to the vocals back again (e.g. 00:53:144 (1) - 00:55:545 (1) - 00:57:946 (1) - etc.) I wanted to highlight the stronger vocals/the ones that land on finishes. This is best achieved imo by switching to the vocals when it actually seems necessary to make them stand out from the previous measure. Also, the strong vocals on the measures with the instruments are mapped on the white tick anyways (like 00:56:895 (1) - 00:52:094 (1) - )

Mir wrote:
adding onto nao's post above, it doesn't even follow the drum variation properly since 1 and 3 of each 00:54:495 (1,2,3) - pattern have double drums on them which could be represented with circles better, or just following the vocals.

I talked to you about this rhythm like 2 months ago too... admittedly I wasn't as caring about it back then but I wish you would have actually taken it into account (also i didn't notice this was qualified so pls dont blame me with "why didnt u mod before qualify you were on the set!" tbh i forgot about this set lol) Dw lol, I would never actually say sth like that and I don't blame you for forgetting xd

also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place This is pretty subjective imo but I know where you're coming from. The 1/4s were highlighted with the drum samples. If I hitsound those notes on 1/4 too, it sounds really obnoxious imo

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something It's only used 4 times... o_o. The whoosh compliments the stronger notes imo

01:09:949 - 01:14:750 - should this really be kiai still tho? seems not as intense and more like an intermission between the second and last chorus bit It has a similar instrumental/musical structure as the kiai, I think it's fine to use there

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams

I understand your opinion guys and am definitely open for discussion. I do think that my reasoning is fine though

Mir

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Mir 2017-12-12T16:04:10+00:00

_DT3 wrote:
Ok, I know about the fact that I switch between instruments every measure in the kiai but I actually have a reason for that: Every time I switch from the instruments to the vocals back again (e.g. 00:53:144 (1) - 00:55:545 (1) - 00:57:946 (1) - etc.) I wanted to highlight the stronger vocals/the ones that land on finishes. This is best achieved imo by switching to the vocals when it actually seems necessary to make them stand out from the previous measure.

i.. can't agree with this. What you actually do is confuse the player because they expect to follow vocals and then a generic rhythm that doesn't really follow anything gets thrown in and actually puts more emphasis on itself than the vocals due to this, which goes directly against what you're trying to achieve. The player will more likely think "why am I not playing these vocals the pattern before was following them" so this kind of just works against the player in every way.

I understand you want to highlight the vocals but doing that with patterning or emphasis would be a lot nicer than if you did it with rhythm because in some songs changing the rhythm like this ends up ignoring so much else that would make sense to play.

Mir wrote:
also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place This is pretty subjective imo but I know where you're coming from. The 1/4s were highlighted with the drum samples. If I hitsound those notes on 1/4 too, it sounds really obnoxious imo I don't see how it could sound obnoxious when it's part of the song?? that doesn't really seem like a good reason tbh lol, if they're too loud or something you can lower the sample volume or the volume of that part? I really really really don't think leaving these as 1/2 is a good idea

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something It's only used 4 times... o_o. The whoosh compliments the stronger notes imo maybe i exaggerated lel, but i think starting it at the start of the kiai sections only put even more emphasis on the whole section and if you put another in the middle of the second it kinda loses value if that makes sense

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams
I understand your opinion guys and am definitely open for discussion. I do think that my reasoning is fine though

Fair, I'll discuss. Let's see where this goes.

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-12T16:20:10+00:00

Yes, I will comment some more probably tomorrow or late tonight.

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T16:20:27+00:00

Mir wrote:
_DT3 wrote:
Ok, I know about the fact that I switch between instruments every measure in the kiai but I actually have a reason for that: Every time I switch from the instruments to the vocals back again (e.g. 00:53:144 (1) - 00:55:545 (1) - 00:57:946 (1) - etc.) I wanted to highlight the stronger vocals/the ones that land on finishes. This is best achieved imo by switching to the vocals when it actually seems necessary to make them stand out from the previous measure.

i.. can't agree with this. What you actually do is confuse the player because they expect to follow vocals and then a generic rhythm that doesn't really follow anything gets thrown in and actually puts more emphasis on itself than the vocals due to this, which goes directly against what you're trying to achieve. The player will more likely think "why am I not playing these vocals the pattern before was following them" so this kind of just works against the player in every way.

I understand you want to highlight the vocals but doing that with patterning or emphasis would be a lot nicer than if you did it with rhythm because in some songs changing the rhythm like this ends up ignoring so much else that would make sense to play.
I think that the player is actually going to think "this note is actually following the vocals again, it must seem important!". It also gets highlighted by a spacing increase too so a player will definitely be able to feel the impact of those vocals. Also, about the thing being confused (might sound a bit lame lol), if it lingers throughout the whole section, the player gets used to it (especially due to the repetitiveness of the rhythm) and it doesn't put too much emphasis on the concept like that

also: 00:59:446 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - why on earth is this 1/4 stream hitsounded with 1/2???? like in the topdiff 00:59:146 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - this gets very very obviously incomplete and really doesn't represent this stream in the song at all. this happens at 01:08:898 (1,2,1,2,1) - as well and pretty much 00:28:688 (1,2,3,1,2) - everywhere 00:38:291 (1,2,3,4,5) - there's 00:14:885 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -a 00:04:532 (3,4,5,6) - stream and seems very unfitting. I would actually recommend doing something about this, strongly recommend. It feels very out of place This is pretty subjective imo but I know where you're coming from. The 1/4s were highlighted with the drum samples. If I hitsound those notes on 1/4 too, it sounds really obnoxious imo I don't see how it could sound obnoxious when it's part of the song?? that doesn't really seem like a good reason tbh lol, if they're too loud or something you can lower the sample volume or the volume of that part? I really really really don't think leaving these as 1/2 is a good idea Well maybe obnoxious was the wrong word lol. I meant more like overpowering the song and that's definitely I don't want to do that. The hitsounds now really compliment the stuff going on in the 1/4 imo and finding another less strong hitsound where the 1/4s would be hitsounded would be too underwhelming for me

imo this 01:05:147 - whistle thing? the loud one not the finish, seems a bit spammed overall. I'd use it less on every finish spot and more on notable changes in the song sections, like at the start of kiais or something It's only used 4 times... o_o. The whoosh compliments the stronger notes imo maybe i exaggerated lel, but i think starting it at the start of the kiai sections only put even more emphasis on the whole section and if you put another in the middle of the second it kinda loses value if that makes sense Definitely can agree with you here with what you mean but this is similar to Nao's point on the AR, of course it would improve things it by a little bit but as long as it's not a major flaw and it works, it's fine

i would really recommend doing something about the rhythm and hitsounding - the rhythm just frankly ignoring the song and the hitsounds sounding very incomplete on those streams

I understand your opinion guys and am definitely open for discussion. I do think that my reasoning is fine though
Fair, I'll discuss. Let's see where this goes.

Hope that did clear stuff up also if I look desperate for keeping this in qualified or some shit like that, I don't mean it lmao

Lasse

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Lasse 2017-12-12T16:27:08+00:00

I usually don't get involved in the ranking process of sets I gd on but after taking a look a the another diff

reasoning or not, I don't think it works very well here
rhythm just feels very uninuitive, it's basically impossible to figure out what you're supposed to tap to since it switches all the time, so you basically just play the map by looking at approach circles instead of listening to the song. (I personally actually did better on the map with muted audio...)

hitsounding 1/4 drums with 1/2 even though you map them as 1/4 is just really weird to play since the hitsound feedback becomes really confusing and unfitting

have to agree with the woosh sample thing sounding pretty weird and not really fitting the song (didn't have it before since it's been a long time since I last redownloaded the set), just sounded pretty annoying to me
should've probably redownloaded earlier since now it also seems like the intro until 00:06:333 - is somehow using electronic drum samples on a lot of difficulties, which sounds really out of place for this song :/

__

also rhythm and patterning on kibb's diff is really questionable in some spots, like 00:51:194 (2,3,4,5,6) - 01:00:796 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - what is the 1/2 triangle even following... your overmapped 1/4 highlights the vocal, but putting a jump onto nothing right after does the opposite and also makes it seem like things like 00:51:494 (4,5,6) - are put as a group of 3 which makes no sense with anything that's happening in the song...
the whole kiai just feels really weird to play since it's completely unclear what you're following

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T17:29:52+00:00

Ok, gonna ask for a DQ to fix the issue, already checked a new version of it with Mir and he said he was fine with it. Thanks guys!

Deif

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Deif 2017-12-12T18:21:10+00:00

Disqualified as requested by the mapper. Good luck!

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-12T19:26:45+00:00

Lasse wrote:
I usually don't get involved in the ranking process of sets I gd on but after taking a look a the another diff

reasoning or not, I don't think it works very well here
rhythm just feels very uninuitive, it's basically impossible to figure out what you're supposed to tap to since it switches all the time, so you basically just play the map by looking at approach circles instead of listening to the song. (I personally actually did better on the map with muted audio...)

hitsounding 1/4 drums with 1/2 even though you map them as 1/4 is just really weird to play since the hitsound feedback becomes really confusing and unfitting

have to agree with the woosh sample thing sounding pretty weird and not really fitting the song (didn't have it before since it's been a long time since I last redownloaded the set), just sounded pretty annoying to me
should've probably redownloaded earlier since now it also seems like the intro until 00:06:333 - is somehow using electronic drum samples on a lot of difficulties, which sounds really out of place for this song :/ I thought this was there since a while xd. I'm gonna leave the hitsounds as they are, they suit the song just fine (the woosh for the guitar for the kiais and the electronic stuff for the drums which sound a bit more intense to me than the kiai), appreciate your opinion though!

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also rhythm and patterning on kibb's diff is really questionable in some spots, like 00:51:194 (2,3,4,5,6) - 01:00:796 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - what is the 1/2 triangle even following... your overmapped 1/4 highlights the vocal, but putting a jump onto nothing right after does the opposite and also makes it seem like things like 00:51:494 (4,5,6) - are put as a group of 3 which makes no sense with anything that's happening in the song...
the whole kiai just feels really weird to play since it's completely unclear what you're following

Gonna ask Kibbleru to reply to his stuff but I did some fixes:
I changed the rhythm of 00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - 00:56:895 (1,2,3,4) - 01:01:697 (1,2,3,4) - 01:03:947 (1,2,3,4) - to match the vocals. I also changed the placement around for 00:52:094 (1,2,3,4) - 01:01:697 (1,2,3,4,5) - to emphasize the following 1/1 slider with the 'abuse' of slider leniency. Spacing of 01:03:947 (1) - and 00:56:895 (1) - have been made bigger for better emphasis. Also changed AR and made some self-modding, thanks again!

Kibbleru

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Kibbleru 2017-12-13T05:22:58+00:00

don't really know what i was thinking either when i made this. forgot

~~ill fix it tomorrow~~

fixed here

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Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-14T02:46:30+00:00

ping me when you update i guess, i dont see any changes..? not really looking to kill the set so yea

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-14T06:38:04+00:00

Naotoshi wrote:
ping me when you update i guess, i dont see any changes..? not really looking to kill the set so yea

Dw, just didn't update yet, will do when I arrive from school

Nao Tomori

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Nao Tomori 2017-12-14T16:09:55+00:00

he pinged me and its ok

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-12-25T09:33:52+00:00

no kd obviously

recheck for another
00:56:595 (4,5,1) - Would just nerf this a bit, 01:03:497 (3,4,1) - is easier since there's a slider rather than two circles.
01:10:399 (2,3) - maybe change rhythm here since vocal is followed everywhere else, maybe use 1/2 slider on 01:09:949 (1) - and move 01:10:399 (2,3) - back by 1/2
+ overlap is pretty inconsistent with how rest of this was mapped, would just avoid

will bub after change since nao approves

_DT3

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_DT3 2017-12-25T10:38:51+00:00

Sinnoh wrote:
no kd obviously

recheck for another
00:56:595 (4,5,1) - Would just nerf this a bit, 01:03:497 (3,4,1) - is easier since there's a slider rather than two circles. Would rather not, distance between the two is similar anyway + density is higher on the first one anyway
01:10:399 (2,3) - maybe change rhythm here since vocal is followed everywhere else, maybe use 1/2 slider on 01:09:949 (1) - and move 01:10:399 (2,3) - back by 1/2
+ overlap is pretty inconsistent with how rest of this was mapped, would just avoid I changed rhythm but left an overlap, similar stuff is in the map too

will bub after change since nao approves

Thank

Xinnoh

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Xinnoh 2017-12-26T13:03:10+00:00

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