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BTS - Spring Day

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Shmiklak
Elite Storyboarder
3,218 posts
Joined January 2015
Shmiklak
HabiHolic
5,372 posts
Joined October 2012
HabiHolic
보고싶다~~ 보고싶다~~
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
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TitleUnicode:봄날
Artist:BTS
ArtistUnicode:방탄소년단
Creator:Cerulean Veyron
Version:Lock's Extreme
Source:
Tags:K-pop Kpop You Never Walk Alone BigHit Entertainment 빅히트엔터테인먼트 Bangtan Boys Rap Monster 

Jungkook Suga Jimin J-Hope V Jin 랩몬스터 진 슈가 제이홉 지민 뷔 정국 Extended Wings Trilogy Repackaged 

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sry im busy in rl ;-;

i'll finish it before august
Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron
@UnLock- 시간을내어

네가 짱이야! 당신은 할 수 있어
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
고마워
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
yeah im lazy mapper

feel free to slap me ;-;

Im so sorry's Extreme
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Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron
Never mind how long you've mapped a neat GD~ it was worth waiting after all.

Alright, I copied hitsounds and added you on tags. I believe the set is ready for some mods to be applied c;
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
Huh?
mindmaster107
710 posts
Joined August 2016
mindmaster107
Here from M4M.
My map repeated: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/647724

I can't play the insane one sorry.

[Highest diff]
The map's difficulty doesn't feel balanced. The kiai doesn't vary much in intensity, and yet you have 01:28:718 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) in the middle of 01:32:082 (1,2,3,4) and other low intensity slider patterns. From silencing the song, I can't see these sections ever representing the same phrase of the song. I understand you want build up, but consider what you are building up from. Grand changes like this can only happen if the song changes the same way.

I see this is one of the first Extra difficulties you have ever made, and I will give you a run down of what changes from Hard to Extras.
Spacing matters alot more. What I mean by this is since you have been given the leniency of spacing by raising SR, you need to be able to manage spacing effectively in both a micro and macro scale. You suffer with both micro and macro spacing issues.

The example mentioned before I decided to write this captures what I mean. Each section of the song needs to be mapped similarly. This is even enforced by the ranking criteria.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Avoid major composition differences in similar sections of a song. The basic spacing and rhythm should be similar, while patterning can vary. This ensures that rhythm and intensity in all similar sections reflect a song similarly.
what this means is while you can vary to reflect the song, please don't use 1/4 jumps after playing mostly sliders on white ticks when the song only builds slightly.

The other type of spacing is on the macro scale. This one is more subjective, which means I can't pull examples without using massive selections. What this means is in different sections of a song, concepts need to change. Unlike hard difficulties though, extra difficulties need to be VERY distinct in their changes. This can be spike in circle density, spacing, or technical ability. There is no way of doing this, but your current map's kiai feel boring and underwhelming compared to the song's spike on volume and instruments. The kiai doesn't have enough rhythm density to support emphasis through rhythm (which you would be used to mapping hard diffs), which is why you need to rethink spacing, and use different concepts for the kiais.

Below are specific problems. I did not mention all of them, on the idea that you will understand what to do now.

00:17:222 (1,2,3,4) - I am confused with which instrument you are following for spacing. If you were following vocals, then why is 2 spaced the same? If you were not following vocals, what were you following? I understand the slider's usage, but I would think deleting 3, and stacking 4 under 2 would do a better job. This uses the slider as sudden movement, to express the song.
00:22:269 (9) - It is clear you are following drums from the bit before this. Then why is the percussion covered by slider tail? Remember, tails are way less important than heads to players, so should only cover sounds of lower intensity.
00:28:577 (5) - This slider cuts through a very important sound. This overrides the benefit of an extended slider.
00:30:260 (4) - I don't think the slider has the potential to represent this sound. Since your spacing and slider shapes are already solid, maybe flip the slider or something to make this slider awkward to play.
00:33:764 (1) - Again, there seems to be nothing here to indicate spacing of this caliber.
00:35:166 (6) - I would recommend representing this with two circles. A slider can't capture it's intensity.
Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron

mindmaster107 wrote:

Here from M4M.
My map repeated: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/647724

I can't play the insane one sorry.

[Highest diff]
The map's difficulty doesn't feel balanced. The kiai doesn't vary much in intensity, and yet you have 01:28:718 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) in the middle of 01:32:082 (1,2,3,4) and other low intensity slider patterns. From silencing the song, I can't see these sections ever representing the same phrase of the song. I understand you want build up, but consider what you are building up from. Grand changes like this can only happen if the song changes the same way.

I see this is one of the first Extra difficulties you have ever made, and I will give you a run down of what changes from Hard to Extras.
Spacing matters a lot more. What I mean by this is since you have been given the leniency of spacing by raising SR, you need to be able to manage spacing effectively in both a micro and macro scale. You suffer with both micro and macro spacing issues.

The example mentioned before I decided to write this captures what I mean. Each section of the song needs to be mapped similarly. This is even enforced by the ranking criteria.

Ranking Criteria wrote:

Avoid major composition differences in similar sections of a song. The basic spacing and rhythm should be similar, while patterning can vary. This ensures that rhythm and intensity in all similar sections reflect a song similarly.
what this means is while you can vary to reflect the song, please don't use 1/4 jumps after playing mostly sliders on white ticks when the song only builds slightly.

The other type of spacing is on the macro scale. This one is more subjective, which means I can't pull examples without using massive selections. What this means is in different sections of a song, concepts need to change. Unlike hard difficulties though, extra difficulties need to be VERY distinct in their changes. This can be spike in circle density, spacing, or technical ability. There is no way of doing this, but your current map's kiai feel boring and underwhelming compared to the song's spike on volume and instruments. The kiai doesn't have enough rhythm density to support emphasis through rhythm (which you would be used to mapping hard diffs), which is why you need to rethink spacing, and use different concepts for the kiais.

Let's start this out this way, from one thing to another,

First of all, consistency in-between patterns and note density can be an objective thing to do and I do understand the song track's dense sections like the build-ups or the regular verses changing itself from a measurable time. But the more I keep doing it just for the sake of following one thing of the song, the repetitive it can possibly be based on the emphasis and intensity. So, making the difficulty itself being "too balanced" can also be as repetitive as just using one kind of distance spacing or jumps. This is an extra difficulty, it needs more interesting stuff than the usual lower difficulties. A variation can also be important if things go out of hand, or the structures are way less interesting in playing, or whatsoever. It's possible that you could make a few bit of difficulty spikes since the song is basically slow, which means a bigger distance spacing and jumps are quite necessary if it were to map for the level of difficulty and the range of difficulty spread set. This is my only best option to emphasize objects over the high notes and greater intensity of the song track, especially the choruses.

Speaking about that criteria you mentioned, "Avoid major composition differences in similar sections of a song". I actually did not made a gigantic difference in-between similar sections, not even the majority of it. I mean, you could've looked thorough over 01:11:895 - & 02:41:615 - (the chorus verse), or 01:02:923 - & 02:32:643 - (the build-up verse). So based on distance spacing, I've mostly used 1.5x spacing in each minor notes like the 1/4 or 1/2 which shows their own track befitting the density. The downbeats like the long white ticks, and maybe every third ticks of sections, have bigger spacing over them to "represent the same phrase of the song". And for the chorus or jump streams parts, it is as well used quite much frequently to actually bond emphasize the drums on the song track, but aside from spacing and pattern consistency. Enforcing me to "rethink the spacing" would actually make things more worse than "improving it" for the sake of setting up the exact intensity between the objects in the map with the song track similarity or whatever. And as for the other sentence that the rule says, "This ensures that rhythm and intensity in all similar sections reflect a song similarly"; This is actually the purpose I'm technically trying to do through the whole difficulty. Reconsidering what you've said about the note density, distance spacing, and all those emphasis stuffs... I guess you kinda rushed yourself or have some low attention span for checking things off deeply before issuing a feedback. I can merely see that it's a misinterpret towards the difficulty's structure and curve level.

Just for your information, this isn't one of the first extra difficulties I've mapped so far. I've quite understood how they're mapped and played, so that should also be a thing of experience with mapping such hard difficulties over and above five stars based on star rating and difficulty level. And don't think about me mapping this just for some pp easy gain or some other of those trash, which I don't blame you for misapprehending this matter of question. Structures aren't actually that questionable or seriously against any criteria to be honest, it's just a debatable thing. But we might need to see what others think about this top difficulty. I might get some testplayers' feedbacks, and I'll decide if I would ever do such decisions to create an impact on the mapset.

Below are specific problems. I did not mention all of them, on the idea that you will understand what to do now.

00:17:222 (1,2,3,4) - I am confused with which instrument you are following for spacing. If you were following vocals, then why is 2 spaced the same? If you were not following vocals, what were you following? I understand the slider's usage, but I would think deleting 3, and stacking 4 under 2 would do a better job. This uses the slider as sudden movement, to express the song. This is indeed following the vocals, because the dense feel of it sounds pretty much the same, and doesn't actually sound like the intensity increases overtime. Well, only until the next downbeat of course but not here. So which means, the notes itself are already representing the song correctly or even sufficiently.
00:22:269 (9) - It is clear you are following drums from the bit before this. Then why is the percussion covered by slider tail? Remember, tails are way less important than heads to players, so should only cover sounds of lower intensity. You think I'm that amateurish when it comes to creating rhythm compositions? I did clearly heard the drums on the background music on the song track. But most of all, I don't always follow a ton of percussion and hi-hats when there are vocals and prominent beats that's actually worth clicking with a slider head or a simple circle, and the lower beats or background music can have it with slider tails.
00:28:577 (5) - This slider cuts through a very important sound. This overrides the benefit of an extended slider. Whereas this part that I mapped through here is mainstreaming the vocals, mostly. By saying "mostly" meaning that not all instruments can be followed from one thing to another. But technically you can focus more notes with clearer, much more important, and audible beats rather than following for the background music.
00:30:260 (4) - I don't think the slider has the potential to represent this sound. Since your spacing and slider shapes are already solid, maybe flip the slider or something to make this slider awkward to play. Mmmm At least I could give this one slight flip a try, not sure if it'll end up great.
00:33:764 (1) - Again, there seems to be nothing here to indicate spacing of this caliber. a
00:35:166 (6) - I would recommend representing this with two circles. A slider can't capture it's intensity. Fine, whatever you say.
Made several tweaks of the other similar parts further on. Thanks for looking over my top difficulty, really needed it.
I'll try my best to mod yours back asap!
MBomb
MBomb
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timemon
Beatmap Nominator
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Joined November 2012
timemon
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[General]
Combo Color 3 is a bit too orange (like idk the color is too intense compared to other combo colors) due to low lum, try using 160+ lum to fit with other colors

[Beginner]
00:53:951 - the break is different from other diffs made by you

[Average]
03:26:475 - this section is awkward to play for beginners I suggest you make rhythm like this one 03:27:596 (2,3) - into a 3/4 slider with a reverse (use 1/4 divisor) It gets worse at 03:32:082 (2) - the map is empty while the vocal is active

[Hyper]
00:21:708 (6,7,8) - 3 1/4 after a slider with 1/4 gap can be misleading to play I think it's better to space out the 00:21:989 (8) - slider out from the other 2 circles (It's from a different sound after all) The map is slow enough that every 1/4 can be treated like 1/2
00:31:942 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - I think the rhythm choice here is a bit messy, 00:32:082 (3) - doesn't receive enough emphasis. Make it a 1/4 slider maybe
02:37:128 (1,2) - I think it's better to spread this out as it's still 1/4 gap like others, can be confusing to read

[Kawa's Extreme]
This is a weird naming convention

00:53:951 (10) - You forgot to NC here as you did on other parts same for 03:17:503 (7) -
01:50:306 (5) - slider ends on a strong sound, you can just map this as 2 circles
03:47:503 (2) - Awkward note placement, try a bit away from the slider

[After Winter]
00:25:774 (6,7) - the (7) is very quiet, I suggest you combine them both as 1/2 slider
00:30:680 (5,6) - I suggest you switch the order of this two notes, I think it plays better and the slider will split the 00:31:101 (7,8,9) - away from the previous pattern which makes it stand out more
01:29:278 (7,8,9,10) - I suggest you rotate 90 degree for a better entry point of the square. the 10 will still work because it's still sharp angle away from the 1 slider

02:06:848 (6,7,8,9) - I recommend you stack the 6 under the sliderend to differentiate it from looking like a 1/4 when it's 1/1 gap
03:30:680 (7,8) - stack the 7 under 6 maybe to differentiate the gap
03:34:885 (6,7,8,9) - I suggest you NC here because it's a different pattern

Good luck
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
all fixed

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[Metadata]
Title:Spring Day
TitleUnicode:봄날
Artist:BTS
ArtistUnicode:방탄소년단
Creator:Cerulean Veyron
Version:Kawa's Extreme
Source:
Tags:K-pop Kpop You Never Walk Alone BigHit Entertainment 빅히트엔터테인먼트 Bangtan Boys Rap Monster Jungkook Suga Jimin J-Hope V Jin 랩몬스터 진 슈가 제이홉 지민 뷔 정국 Extended Wings Trilogy Repackaged Edition Kawashiro
BeatmapID:1387895
BeatmapSetID:619854

[Difficulty]
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CircleSize:5
OverallDifficulty:7
ApproachRate:9
SliderMultiplier:1.6
SliderTickRate:1

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//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Phos-
773 posts
Joined December 2012
Phos-
Hey, m4m from your queue!

[Easy]
  1. 01:17:503 (2,3) - I'd improve the flow here since (2) leads away from the head of (3). This flow break also happens to be inconsistent, as I can't find anywhere else in the kiai times where this happens.
  2. 02:01:241 (1,2) - Not a fan of the whole straight slider aesthetic. I would curve them a bit.
  3. 04:09:091 (3) - This kind of slider seems a bit out of place, and I'm not too fond of the appearance either. I would curve the first half of it upwards likethis. This way it looks nicer and it complies with many of your previous slider designs.
[Average]
  1. 01:50:026 (4,5,6) - I don't like this rhythm because you chose to emphasise the note at (5), even though there is no prominent sound there. I would remove (5) and have (6) start where that previously was. (timeline). This will still emphasise the screech sound through the length of the slider.
  2. 01:56:194 (7,1,2) - I would rearrange this so that a nicer triangle is formed from these three notes.
  3. 02:05:727 (1,2,3,4) - Even though distance snap is the same, the implied distance of (3,4) appears to be shorter than (1,2), which can get confusing to new players.
  4. 02:14:699 (1,2) - I think this kind of flow and design is in consistent compared to the rest of the map, as the sliders are unusually straight and the angles are different between the two notes. Flow is a bit off as well, as (2) goes against the trajectory of (1). I would just rework this pattern.
  5. 04:18:063 (5) - This slider has a red anchor, whilst the other short repeaters in this section have normal curves, which is a bit inconsistent.
[Challenging]
  1. 02:09:091 (4,5,6,7,8) - This rhythm feels really awkward to play because of how the player holds their click on a really weak note (02:09:232 (5) - ) and then they have to hold it in again at 02:09:652 (7) - which is an awkward distance away in the timeline. As a result of this, the player has a really weak sense of rhythm here. I think it would play better if you made 02:09:091 (4,5) - into a 1/4 repeat slider, because I feel that the notes are weak and they don't require much emphasis in the first place; and it would help distinguish the rhythm apart from 02:10:213 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - which sounds a lot different.
    (timeline)
  2. 03:11:615 (2,3,4,5) - I'd make the angles in this zig-zag pattern more consistent. (2,3,4) is at a right angle and (3,4,5) is shaped more like a triangle.
[Hyper]
  1. 02:09:792 (9) - Really not a fan of how this kick slider starts on a blue tick. Although this is where the vocal starts, it is still on a blue tick which will cause the player to lose their sense of rhythm here. I would change it so that the kick slider starts on the white tick before it instead. (timeline) The kick slider still expresses the girl's change in vocal here so I think it works good.
  2. 02:19:185 (1,2) - You should unstack these. This is the only time a stack like this appears in the map and I found it confusing to hit because I wasn't certain whether or not the note was 1/2 or 1/4 away on the timeline.
[Kawa's Extreme]
  1. 01:28:718 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - This pattern is very hard to read because you won't be able to tell where (6) is at a first glance. I think it would be a lot easier to notice if you added an NC at 01:29:278 (5) - , as it'll create a distinguishable triangle shape. This happens a few more times as well, where my suggestion still applies.
  2. 04:10:774 (5,6) - I would make these jumps as well to be consistent with all the other kiai endings.
[After Winter]
  1. 01:29:278 (7,8,9,10) - I found this square really unfitting. The 90° angles make it needlessly much more difficult to play in comparison to all the other jumps in this map. The way it's coming right after a spaced stream makes it even harder as well.
  2. 02:56:755 (4,1) - This blanket off by quite a large margin, and it can be noticed in gameplay. I would fix it.
  3. 02:58:998 (7,8,9,10) - I don't like this set of jumps, it doesn't create that nice of a pattern and the horizontal movement is too much. I think it would be a lot more fun to have a better shape here, like a star.
Overall, this map was nice. The jumps in after winter feel really satisfying to play, and I can see that most aspects of the mapset were well thought out. Good luck ~
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
all fixed

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osu file format v14

[General]
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[Metadata]
Title:Spring Day
TitleUnicode:봄날
Artist:BTS
ArtistUnicode:방탄소년단
Creator:Cerulean Veyron
Version:Kawa's Extreme
Source:
Tags:K-pop Kpop You Never Walk Alone BigHit Entertainment 빅히트엔터테인먼트 Bangtan Boys Rap Monster Jungkook Suga Jimin J-Hope V Jin 랩몬스터 진 슈가 제이홉 지민 뷔 정국 Extended Wings Trilogy Repackaged Edition Kawashiro
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Cerulean Veyron
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Cerulean Veyron

timemon wrote:

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[General]
Combo Color 3 is a bit too orange (like idk the color is too intense compared to other combo colors) due to low lum, try using 160+ lum to fit with other colors I may consider this some time later, I slightly agree with you here. But almost all colors were supposed to be a bit brighter each other, so that it wouldn't blend way too much. Noted this.

[Beginner]
00:53:951 - the break is different from other diffs made by you Okay

[Average]
03:26:475 - this section is awkward to play for beginners I suggest you make rhythm like this one 03:27:596 (2,3) - into a 3/4 slider with a reverse (use 1/4 divisor) It gets worse at 03:32:082 (2) - the map is empty while the vocal is active You do have an interesting idea here, but for once I wouldn't really thought about the drums being covered by sliders rather than being clicked. Because that way, it sounds a lot more dense and quite audible.
So replacing a rhythm from circles to one 3/4 slider might not execute the composition intended perfectly.

[Hyper]
00:21:708 (6,7,8) - 3 1/4 after a slider with 1/4 gap can be misleading to play I think it's better to space out the 00:21:989 (8) - slider out from the other 2 circles (It's from a different sound after all) The map is slow enough that every 1/4 can be treated like 1/2 That's actually misleading much worse in my opinion, unstacking this to be spaced out more after the two 1/4 circles can also be quite complicating in terms of emphasis. And besides, I don't really think increasing the note density by spacing out more of these kinds of pattern makes a difference.
00:31:942 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - I think the rhythm choice here is a bit messy, 00:32:082 (3) - doesn't receive enough emphasis. Make it a 1/4 slider maybe So does that mean following vocals as well is not a thing for correlating rhythms anymore? A regular 1/4 repeated slider here won't even help the emphasis to befit the density. So a small stream like the current one should at least suffice the level of the intensity.
02:37:128 (1,2) - I think it's better to spread this out as it's still 1/4 gap like others, can be confusing to read Alright then

[After Winter]
00:25:774 (6,7) - the (7) is very quiet, I suggest you combine them both as 1/2 slider If you mean by audibility of the note being too low,
it's obviously not. Creating some collision in-between these notes wouldn't do a thing but redo the rhythm here by ignoring the potent note on the mid downbeat 00:25:914 - which is where the slider (7)'s head is. So I may keep this for that.
00:30:680 (5,6) - I suggest you switch the order of this two notes, I think it plays better and the slider will split the 00:31:101 (7,8,9) - away from the previous pattern which makes it stand out more Whatever you say
01:29:278 (7,8,9,10) - I suggest you rotate 90 degree for a better entry point of the square. the 10 will still work because it's still sharp angle away from the 1 slider Ehh, that actually reduces the intensity of the jump between circle (10) and slider (1), it was supposed to be bigger for stressing up the downbeat to represent how enforced the chorus is. So it would be best to keep the jumps at nigh great.

02:06:848 (6,7,8,9) - I recommend you stack the 6 under the sliderend to differentiate it from looking like a 1/4 when it's 1/1 gap Fine
03:30:680 (7,8) - stack the 7 under 6 maybe to differentiate the gap Would rather space them out for the emphasis than stacking notes. At least this "gap" doesn't seem be effective towards visual and visibility.
03:34:885 (6,7,8,9) - I suggest you NC here because it's a different pattern no problem

Good luck

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Hey, m4m from your queue!

[Easy]
  1. 01:17:503 (2,3) - I'd improve the flow here since (2) leads away from the head of (3). This flow break also happens to be inconsistent, as I can't find anywhere else in the kiai times where this happens. If that bothers you, fine.
  2. 02:01:241 (1,2) - Not a fan of the whole straight slider aesthetic. I would curve them a bit. Alright then, kinda agree with you here.
  3. 04:09:091 (3) - This kind of slider seems a bit out of place, and I'm not too fond of the appearance either. I would curve the first half of it upwards like this. This way it looks nicer and it complies with many of your previous slider designs. I might slightly up the curve of the slider at some point, just to make sure it'd look a little better.
[Average]
  1. 01:50:026 (4,5,6) - I don't like this rhythm because you chose to emphasise the note at (5), even though there is no prominent sound there. I would remove (5) and have (6) start where that previously was. (timeline). This will still emphasise the screech sound through the length of the slider. No prominent sound here? Even the audible downbeat on 01:51:148 -? Really? I wouldn't try mainstreaming that "screech sound" all the way, because note density should be having more notes than simply snap 1/1 by emphasizing those. But really, there are other sounds that's worth following than just one track of the music. So adding a circle here can literally be okay as long as it doesn't confuse or extent too much.
  2. 01:56:194 (7,1,2) - I would rearrange this so that a nicer triangle is formed from these three notes. A triangle, you say?
  3. 02:05:727 (1,2,3,4) - Even though distance snap is the same, the implied distance of (3,4) appears to be shorter than (1,2), which can get confusing to new players. okya
  4. 02:14:699 (1,2) - I think this kind of flow and design is in consistent compared to the rest of the map, as the sliders are unusually straight and the angles are different between the two notes. Flow is a bit off as well, as (2) goes against the trajectory of (1). I would just rework this pattern. And I think the flow proportion here isn't actually "a bit off" in perspective. I might say because of the straighten structure being way too linear, but at least it's sufficient enough to not be broken at some point. Just because the sliders are straight doesn't mean aesthetic or flow is solidly linear in patterning or so.
  5. 04:18:063 (5) - This slider has a red anchor, whilst the other short repeaters in this section have normal curves, which is a bit inconsistent. Pattern consistency shouldn't really matter the most in terms of structure, I mean like... why not do something different than repetitively sticking with just one thing? Would rather side this one with variation of patterns than keeping up the same pattern over and over.
[Challenging]
  1. 02:09:091 (4,5,6,7,8) - This rhythm feels really awkward to play because of how the player holds their click on a really weak note (02:09:232 (5) - ) and then they have to hold it in again at 02:09:652 (7) - which is an awkward distance away in the timeline. As a result of this, the player has a really weak sense of rhythm here. I think it would play better if you made 02:09:091 (4,5) - into a 1/4 repeat slider, because I feel that the notes are weak and they don't require much emphasis in the first place; and it would help distinguish the rhythm apart from 02:10:213 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - which sounds a lot different.
    (timeline) Even if the beats' soundwave in the song track is weak but presumably audible, it's always the best option to follow nearly each of the track consecutively in order. Rather than creating more repeated sliders which they cover potential landing beats, simplifying wouldn't make the composition sound that awkward. And besides, players wouldn't be that dump if they could recognize the rhythm in seconds while in gameplay. Emphasis is already balanced out and wouldn't make a difference even if I apply this.
  2. 03:11:615 (2,3,4,5) - I'd make the angles in this zig-zag pattern more consistent. (2,3,4) is at a right angle and (3,4,5) is shaped more like a triangle. That's what I was trying to do, triangle after a note~ But probably not a solid zigzag though, probably made it a bit steeper and formed a triangle pattern to not lengthen the structure progressively.
[Hyper]
  1. 02:09:792 (9) - Really not a fan of how this kick slider starts on a blue tick. Although this is where the vocal starts, it is still on a blue tick which will cause the player to lose their sense of rhythm here. I would change it so that the kick slider starts on the white tick before it instead. (timeline) The kick slider still expresses the girl's change in vocal here so I think it works good. Wouldn't be easy, but might give it a try. You just assumed one's gender :^)
  2. 02:19:185 (1,2) - You should unstack these. This is the only time a stack like this appears in the map and I found it confusing to hit because I wasn't certain whether or not the note was 1/2 or 1/4 away on the timeline. Fine, whatever.
[After Winter]
  1. 01:29:278 (7,8,9,10) - I found this square really unfitting. The 90° angles make it needlessly much more difficult to play in comparison to all the other jumps in this map. The way it's coming right after a spaced stream makes it even harder as well. That is absolutely the purpose of the jumpstream in this section! The perpendicular shape here could really do some challenge for players in order to bypass it with the intensity of the mid chorus. Rather than reducing the jumps for an easier experience would also become less interesting in some way in gameplay. So, this should be it.
  2. 02:56:755 (4,1) - This blanket off by quite a large margin, and it can be noticed in gameplay. I would fix it. This is why I hate blanketing.
  3. 02:58:998 (7,8,9,10) - I don't like this set of jumps, it doesn't create that nice of a pattern and the horizontal movement is too much. I think it would be a lot more fun to have a better shape here, like a star. Polygon patterns don't correlate here pretty much. There aren't any much to sort out best for this, but a solidly linear jumps like these would at least befit well regarding the other previous jumps.
Overall, this map was nice. The jumps in after winter feel really satisfying to play, and I can see that most aspects of the mapset were well thought out. Good luck ~
Thanks, timemon and Faded! Will mod in-return
Kawa: 업데이트 됨 >w>
SLM
462 posts
Joined February 2015
SLM
Hello, from your queue


[General]

* 04:11:334 - what is this 0.1sec kiai for? You didn't do this at 01:47:783 - here so I'm guessing it's a mistake

I've noticed some hs :

* 01:50:306 - 01:54:232 - 01:56:475 - remove whistle

* 01:51:148 - whistle

* 04:13:857 - 04:20:026 - remove whistle

* 04:28:718 - I feel like this change to drum-clap is not really needed,
Imo keeping with softclap would fit better because the music supports the exact same sound where all the other soft-claps were used.



[Kawa]

* 00:52:830 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 다른파트처럼 (02:22:549 - 라던가) NC넣어도 될것같네요

* 01:08:531 (5) - NC

* 01:38:811 - 여기를 기점으로 거리가 조금씩 주는 느낌이 있다가 01:44:979 (4,1) - 거리가 급 늘어서 좀 어색하네요

* 01:48:344 - 04:11:895 - 여기 뉴콤주기 굳이 길게 쓰신 이유가 있나요

* 02:12:035 (3,4) - 랑 02:12:456 (1,2,3) - 좀더 가깝게 둬서 02:13:858 (2,3) - 여기 강조를 좀더 살리는건 어떨까요
지금은 점프의 강도가 너무 비슷한 듯
http://puu.sh/xtUuL/4caab75efd.jpg 이정도?

* 02:19:746 (3) - 컨쥐? 갠적으로 (3)-(4) 사이 거리때문에 (3)클랩이 너무 표현이 안된거같아요

* 02:23:671 (1) - NC제거

* 02:42:736 (4,5) - 흠 블랭킷 눈에띄네요 ㅎㅎㅋ

* 02:57:316 (1) - 음 갠적으로 01:27:596 (1) - 이거랑은 다르게 화면의 거의 구석이기 때문에 거리가 좀 더 가까웟으면 싶네요

* 04:10:213 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 여기는 드럼이 없는데도 들어가있는데 비해 03:52:269 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 04:28:156 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - 여긴 힛사가 없네요



[After Winter]

* 00:26:334 (9,10) - This feels really wierd, cuz unlike 00:21:848 (7,8) - , vocal (9) is noticeably not emphasized compared to (10) - . (also you were prioritizing vocals 00:24:792 (1,2,3,4) - )
maybe 00:26:475 (10,11) - ctrl + g ? or making 00:26:475 (10,11) - this into a slider would do the work imo.

* 00:40:493 (1,2) - could have mapped more beats?
The rap density is noticeably higher than 00:36:007 (1,2,3) - or 00:38:250 (1,2,3) - therefore expecting more objects.

* 02:19:185 (1) - could have mapped with two circles?
I think it would be really nice to have these 02:19:185 - 02:19:465 - two emphasized more.

* 02:14:138 (10) - I guess this could be spaced more?
The ds decrease from 8-9 to 9-10 feels really awkward to me because I expected it to increase.

* 02:58:998 (7,8,9,10) - This is a huge difficulty spike.
Not only because of the distance,
All other patterns (01:09:652 - 01:28:718 - 01:46:662 - 02:04:605 - and etc..) can be played with alternate,
but this is not, due to its snappy flow. (and the massive distance considering small cs)
Same with 03:16:942 (7,8,9,10) -
7 - 8 can be alternated while 8 - 9 - 10 - can't be
(Theoretically they can be alterenated, but it would require a different level of skill to alternate these snappy - spaced streams)

* 03:30:680 (7,8) - I wish these two to be expressed differently from (5,6)s, since the sound difference is very noticable
http://puu.sh/xtVjT/cce614b3fd.jpg possibly sth like this?

* 04:27:035 (1) - move a bit down for aesthetic reason? 04:26:475 (4) - 's tail and 04:27:035 (1) - body are too close



lol this took some time.
That's all from me, GL!
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro

SLM wrote:

[Kawa]

* 00:52:830 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - 다른파트처럼 (02:22:549 - 라던가) NC넣어도 될것같네요 - 00:18:063 (1) - 여기부터 00:53:951 (10) - 여기까지는 뉴콤 주기 그대로 유지하고 싶네요

* 01:08:531 (5) - NC

* 01:38:811 - 여기를 기점으로 거리가 조금씩 주는 느낌이 있다가 01:44:979 (4,1) - 거리가 급 늘어서 좀 어색하네요 - 거리는 비슷비슷하게
주고 있는데요? 아마도 거기 흐름이 조금 직선으로 가는 느낌이 있어서 그렇게 느끼실수도 있는데 거리 자체는 눈에 띌 정도로 크게 준건 아니네요

* 01:48:344 - 04:11:895 - 여기 뉴콤주기 굳이 길게 쓰신 이유가 있나요 - 키아이가 끝나서요. 그리고 노래가 늘어지는 느낌도 있고 무엇보다
01:48:344 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 여기랑 01:52:830 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - 여기로 비교해보시면 알겠지만 이렇게 나누는 편이 노래와 어울린다고 생각해요.

* 02:12:035 (3,4) - 랑 02:12:456 (1,2,3) - 좀더 가깝게 둬서 02:13:858 (2,3) - 여기 강조를 좀더 살리는건 어떨까요
지금은 점프의 강도가 너무 비슷한 듯
http://puu.sh/xtUuL/4caab75efd.jpg 이정도? - 필요 없을것 같은데요? 02:12:456 (1,2,3,4,5) - 이미 여기서 거리를 꽤 줄여뒀기
때문에 02:13:578 (1,2,3) - 여기의 점프가 강조되고 있다고 생각해요.

* 02:19:746 (3) - 컨쥐? 갠적으로 (3)-(4) 사이 거리때문에 (3)클랩이 너무 표현이 안된거같아요 - 3-4의 보컬소리를 강조하기 보다는 여기를
지금처럼 적당한 거리로 두고 02:20:306 (1) - 이거를 강조하려고 했어요

* 02:23:671 (1) - NC제거 - 차라리 다른 두군데에다 넣었어요

* 02:42:736 (4,5) - 흠 블랭킷 눈에띄네요 ㅎㅎㅋ - 전 눈에 안띄네요 ㅎㅎ

* 02:57:316 (1) - 음 갠적으로 01:27:596 (1) - 이거랑은 다르게 화면의 거의 구석이기 때문에 거리가 좀 더 가까웟으면 싶네요 - 저는 갠적으로 지금도 상관없는것같아요

* 04:10:213 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - 여기는 드럼이 없는데도 들어가있는데 비해 03:52:269 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 04:28:156 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - 여긴 힛사가 없네요

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Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron

SLM wrote:

Hello, from your queue


[General]

* 04:11:334 - what is this 0.1sec kiai for? You didn't do this at 01:47:783 - here so I'm guessing it's a mistake It's intentional, though. The kiai time here represents one of the intense amplified downbeat of the whole song track, impacts just like the rest of the kiai time. It's as well sound really similar to each verse as well, so it's worth pulling out this for the kiai fountain.

I've noticed some hs :

* 01:50:306 - 01:54:232 - 01:56:475 - remove whistle Okay

* 01:51:148 - whistle

* 04:13:857 - 04:20:026 - remove whistle

* 04:28:718 - I feel like this change to drum-clap is not really needed, owps, nice catch
Imo keeping with softclap would fit better because the music supports the exact same sound where all the other soft-claps were used.



[After Winter]

* 00:26:334 (9,10) - This feels really wierd, cuz unlike 00:21:848 (7,8) - , vocal (9) is noticeably not emphasized compared to (10) - . (also you were prioritizing vocals 00:24:792 (1,2,3,4) - )
maybe 00:26:475 (10,11) - ctrl + g ? or making 00:26:475 (10,11) - this into a slider would do the work imo.
The two notes on 00:26:334 (9,10) - does emphasize impartially accordingly to that as well. In the other hand, the distance spacing is as well balanced with these two parts cohesively as you could possibly see it. I might assume it's the visual patterns that closely to confuse in between those, but it's literally distinguishable that it's a consistent emphasis.

* 00:40:493 (1,2) - could have mapped more beats?
The rap density is noticeably higher than 00:36:007 (1,2,3) - or 00:38:250 (1,2,3) - therefore expecting more objects.
Might add more notes if the rap really asks for more objects... therefore, note density increases.

* 02:19:185 (1) - could have mapped with two circles?
I think it would be really nice to have these 02:19:185 - 02:19:465 - two emphasized more.
I don't really think two circles would fit best for this concept, it might be because the vocals kinda cracked out... probably near offbeat of course. So A slider would help out filling the rhythm composition here.

* 02:14:138 (10) - I guess this could be spaced more?
The ds decrease from 8-9 to 9-10 feels really awkward to me because I expected it to increase.
Uhhh... those three notes are already spaced out huge. Most likely over 3x or maybe 4x possibly. The intensity of the mephasis here is already amplified with these notes, so making the jump bigger would technically create more difficulty spike than the jumps in every choruses.

* 02:58:998 (7,8,9,10) - This is a huge difficulty spike.
Not only because of the distance,
All other patterns (01:09:652 - 01:28:718 - 01:46:662 - 02:04:605 - and etc..) can be played with alternate,
but this is not, due to its snappy flow. (and the massive distance considering small cs)
Same with 03:16:942 (7,8,9,10) -
7 - 8 can be alternated while 8 - 9 - 10 - can't be
(Theoretically they can be alternated, but it would require a different level of skill to alternate these snappy - spaced streams)
Those jumps are one of the biggest objectives of this difficulty. It's not like I wanted to make this as the hardest one by throwing jumpy stuff around it, but it's actually representing how strong those drums are in every chorus. As being said, anyone can alternate or not over these sections whether they could try out the "different level of skill" than just casually play for pp or for some weird reason. The circle size is intended for the patterns to look aesthetically more appealing than using bigger sizes of circles. I hope this elaborates enough for you.

* 03:30:680 (7,8) - I wish these two to be expressed differently from (5,6)s, since the sound difference is very noticable
http://puu.sh/xtVjT/cce614b3fd.jpg possibly sth like this?
If it's for the overlap, maybe I'd give it try!

* 04:27:035 (1) - move a bit down for aesthetic reason? 04:26:475 (4) - 's tail and 04:27:035 (1) - body are too close
The pattern is wholly spaced with 1.2x distance spacing. But will move it a little bit downward, yeah.


lol this took some time.
That's all from me, GL!
Placeholding the response, will get into it asap when i'm done at work
Thanks for the mod! I'll make sure to mod yours in return!
makisokk
928 posts
Joined August 2013
makisokk
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makisokk
928 posts
Joined August 2013
makisokk
Hello from your que
M4M
I hope I will at least help
[General]
  • fix bitrate audio
[beginner]
  • 00:13:577 (1,1) - spiner recovery 4 white bits
    03:33:204 (1,1) - ^
    00:42:736 (3) - hmm, the fold should be exactly on a white tick?
    01:14:138 (3) - hmm, I think that the fold should be here 01:14:699 - or here 01:14:979 - , and here 01:14:419 - there is no sound at which it is possible to make a fold
    01:20:867 (1) - Also with this slider, 01:21:288 - there is no sound that can be expressed with the help of the fold
    01:26:475 (2) - Flip this slider, and do it like this?
    02:57:316 (3) - ctrl+J? i think it's looks better
[Average]
  • 00:13:577 (1,1) - i think it's normal, spiner recovery 2 white bits
    lul, it's all in this diff
[Hyper]
  • Clear for me
[Kawa's Extreme]
  • 01:29:419 (2,4) - for better play, i think need unstack?
    02:58:997 (1,4) - ^?
[After Winter]
  • looks nice for me, but very overmapped)
sorry, can't say more
Good luck with mappset
Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron

makisokk wrote:

Hello from your que
M4M
I hope I will at least help
[General]
  • fix bitrate audio I can recall the audio bitrate of the mp3 file is absolutely fine, especially with the minimum kbps possible.
[beginner]
  • 00:13:577 (1,1) - spiner recovery 4 white bits I personally think this time period of recovery after spinner is fine. Low BPM/OD and difficulty specific like this part allow newbie players to hold still for at least ~30% of the spinner and still get a 300, so an extra time after the spinner isn't really necessary.
    03:33:204 (1,1) - ^ ^
    00:42:736 (3) - hmm, the fold should be exactly on a white tick? Uhh, I don't know what you mean by "fold" but yeah sure.
    01:14:138 (3) - hmm, I think that the fold should be here 01:14:699 - or here 01:14:979 - , and here 01:14:419 - there is no sound at which it is possible to make a fold There's nothing impossible just to leave the red node to verbally "emphasize" the song. And it shouldn't always be mapped by it's beat even if it's highly audible. I would actually say that I've kept it this way for the structural flow and composition of aesthetics, rather than just one sound. At least the patterning here doesn't really affect the gameplay in my opinion.
    01:20:867 (1) - Also with this slider, 01:21:288 - there is no sound that can be expressed with the help of the fold ^
    01:26:475 (2) - Flip this slider, and do it like this? I've probably tried similar to that, sure.
    02:57:316 (3) - ctrl+J? i think it's looks better Well, flipping this did not really flow nicely towards the next circle on 02:58:998 (4) - at some point. I might keep this until then.
[Average]
  • 00:13:577 (1,1) - i think it's normal, spiner recovery 2 white bits It is a normal difficulty, but an alternative difficulty name. And also,
    the issue for the spinner is the same thing as before. So the reason will be up there.
    lul, it's all in this diff The response of the spinner recovery applies to all as well.
[Hyper]
  • Clear for me okay
[After Winter]
  • looks nice for me, but very overmapped) What makes it overmapped? o.o
sorry, can't say more
Good luck with mappset
Helped just a little bit, so... That's not a problem~ Thank you for the mod! I might mod yours back in the mean time ;3/
Pulse
257 posts
Joined April 2015
Pulse
hey, m4m!

[Challenging]
  1. Maybe AR or some two structures should be revised. AR seems too low for the pattern that you're following in some parts, and it probably makes everything looks so confused for newer players:

    00:31:942 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - This overlap definitely will confuse players with that AR, low spacing and rhythm, since that's a unusual rhythm for newer players
    02:05:727 (1,2,3,4) - It begins to be confusing on 02:09:091 (4), and tis will extend until the break if the player can't recover, which is difficult if he's not used to this density

[Hyper]
  1. 01:11:054 (3) - Maybe these note could be whistle'd too. I get why (3) and (4) aren't hitsounded, but the 50% makes it plays like there's almost no sound. Hitsounding both notes doesn't sounds great but whistle (3) would help on audible feedback
  2. 02:21:428 (1,2) - Almost the same, but vol. here is louder, so it already helps a lot
[Kawa's Extreme]
  1. 00:35:306 (7) - Shouldn't have a whistle like 00:42:035 (7) and 00:48:764 (6)?
  2. 01:07:409 (1) - Maybe this slider could be a little up and left. It seems too close from 01:06:848 (3,4,5).
  3. 02:10:774 (3) - I think that this slider isn't well positioned in relation to (2). Do you think that you can improve that?
  4. 04:10:073 (4) - This note seems overdone for what the map is. The map doesn't give enough ground to the player expect this note right on the end of the map
[After Winter]
  1. 02:07:970 (1,2,3,4) - Could be spaced like 02:05:727 (1,2,3,4). Such spacing doesn't play well imo
  2. 02:58:998 (7,8,9,10) - It seems WAY too spaced to me. This part isn't that spaced on first and fifth kiais, why it is on this one?
good luck!
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro

Pulse wrote:

[Kawa's Extreme]
  1. 00:35:306 (7) - Shouldn't have a whistle like 00:42:035 (7) and 00:48:764 (6)?
  2. 01:07:409 (1) - Maybe this slider could be a little up and left. It seems too close from 01:06:848 (3,4,5). - Not close to me and anyway it doesn't touching 345 so it seems np
  3. 02:10:774 (3) - I think that this slider isn't well positioned in relation to (2). Do you think that you can improve that?
  4. 04:10:073 (4) - This note seems overdone for what the map is. The map doesn't give enough ground to the player expect this note right on the end of the map

makisokk wrote:

[Kawa's Extreme]
  • 01:29:419 (2,4) - for better play, i think need unstack? - No, not for better play. and it still easier than top diff's stream. it seems fine about difficulty and playability.
    02:58:997 (1,4) - ^? - ^

Kawashiro, the Level 4 Backpack in PUBG
osu file format v14

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Creator:Cerulean Veyron
Version:Challenging
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_orange
440 posts
Joined September 2015
_orange
m4m from your queue

[Beginner]

  • *01:25:353 (1,2) - This looks a bit awkward, could you angle it a bit so it looks better
[Challenging]
  1. 01:23:110 (1,2,3,4) - 01:25:353 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't these rhythms be switched? the second rhythm is more dense and fit for the louder part which is the first bit. You did this in the After Winter diff and the second half of the kiai too. If you take this suggestion make sure to change these ones too 02:50:587 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 03:46:662 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) -
[Hyper]
  1. 01:47:222 (4,5,6,7,1) - Why is this one an angled stream when the others are all round?
  2. 01:41:054 (1,2,3,4) - I'm prepared for you to reject this, but I think it would be better if this was a different rhythm than these. 01:43:297 (1,2,3,4) - 01:38:811 (1,2,3,4) - Like in the Challenging diff, you had 01:42:176 (3) - this as two circles, which does a good job of separating the stronger vocals from the weaker ones. Applies to every other similar part in the diff
  3. 03:09:652 (3,4) - Switching between angled and curved between two similar sounds looks a bit weird. 04:03:484 (3,4) - this is better though bc of the different vocal on 4
[Extreme]
  1. 01:04:465 (2,3,4) - Rhythm should be switched
  2. 01:29:559 (3,4,1) - Could you change this so that 1 gets more emphasis than 4? same for second and third kiai
  3. 01:40:493 (4) - Make this curved so it matches with 3
  4. 03:27:596 (4,5,6) - Really minor but could you make these even?
  5. 04:28:998 (1) - It would be cool if this were a 1/2 slider instead
[After Winter]
  1. 01:29:278 (7) - 01:47:222 (7) - NCs on stuff like this? I think the kicks are a good reason to NC, especially on the h
  2. 02:33:484 (4,5) - really looks like a 1/4 gap bc of this 02:33:063 (2,3) -
  3. 02:40:213 (7,2) - You're hiding the arrow, might be a problem?
  4. 04:28:998 - add a note here it works better imo
Didn't find a lot of problems, gl!
Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron
o holy shoot

Pulse wrote:

hey, m4m!

[Challenging]
  1. Maybe AR or some two structures should be revised. AR seems too low for the pattern that you're following in some parts, and it probably makes everything looks so confused for newer players:

    00:31:942 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - This overlap definitely will confuse players with that AR, low spacing and rhythm, since that's a unusual rhythm for newer players I don't really expect players that "new" would ever necessarily play this difficulty due to note density and structure. And because of the "overlap" you called here, it doesn't actually create a collision to players in just to confuse players. From the distance, the approach rate does look low,
    but bypassing this won't literally be that much hard to recognize the stack in this particular pattern.
    02:05:727 (1,2,3,4) - It begins to be confusing on 02:09:091 (4), and tis will extend until the break if the player can't recover, which is difficult if he's not used to this density Nearly the same reasoning as above. But technically, I've quite done a lot of those compositions consistently. So rather making it being said than done, the density is merely equal to the first verse of the some as well. So I guess the structuring of approach rate and patterns are quite a contradictory. Might keep it for now.

[Hyper]
  1. 01:11:054 (3) - Maybe these note could be whistle'd too. I get why (3) and (4) aren't hitsounded, but the 50% makes it plays like there's almost no sound. Hitsounding both notes doesn't sounds great but whistle (3) would help on audible feedback Might only add the whistle on (3) because the hi-hats after that note completely fades out until the chorus drops. But yeah, applied.
  2. 02:21:428 (1,2) - Almost the same, but vol. here is louder, so it already helps a lot a
[After Winter]
  1. 02:07:970 (1,2,3,4) - Could be spaced like 02:05:727 (1,2,3,4). Such spacing doesn't play well imo You could actually hear the intensity difference between those two parts. The first one is loud and worthy enough to make a bigger distance spacing, and the next one turned a little lower... You might know how it basically sets out the emphasis based on spacing and such. Probably one of the reasons I tried out varying it.
  2. 02:58:998 (7,8,9,10) - It seems WAY too spaced to me. This part isn't that spaced on first and fifth kiais, why it is on this one? Well,
    fine. Whatever you say. Will nerf it slightly at some point.
good luck!

_orange wrote:

m4m from your queue

[Beginner]

  • *01:25:353 (1,2) - This looks a bit awkward, could you angle it a bit so it looks better Fine.
[Challenging]
  1. 01:23:110 (1,2,3,4) - 01:25:353 (1,2,3,4,5) - Shouldn't these rhythms be switched? the second rhythm is more dense and fit for the louder part which is the first bit. You did this in the After Winter diff and the second half of the kiai too. If you take this suggestion make sure to change these ones too 02:50:587 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - 03:46:662 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Well, the compositions around here are almost a precise composition for rhythms like these in those parts. The little difference that the two circles being more dense than the previous is that the intensity measured over the 4th or 3rd loud part of the base. Which can be said that the "second rhythm" you mentioned actually befits the substances of the rhythm on both the song track and the objects itself.
    Emphasis is what I planned for here. So I'd like to keep it for a bit of variation.
[Hyper]
  1. 01:47:222 (4,5,6,7,1) - Why is this one an angled stream when the others are all round? Because mapping out a sort of variation is eminence.
  2. 01:41:054 (1,2,3,4) - I'm prepared for you to reject this, but I think it would be better if this was a different rhythm than these. 01:43:297 (1,2,3,4) - 01:38:811 (1,2,3,4) - Like in the Challenging diff, you had 01:42:176 (3) - this as two circles, which does a good job of separating the stronger vocals from the weaker ones. Applies to every other similar part in the diff Well if it's alike the Challenging diff, then the previous reasoning applies here too.
  3. 03:09:652 (3,4) - Switching between angled and curved between two similar sounds looks a bit weird. 04:03:484 (3,4) - this is better though bc of the different vocal on 4 I've somehow done that a lot around these parts in the difficulty. Even though there weren't a lot of changes on vocals or other background instruments in the song track. I may have heard it differently towards the song track or something weird over it, but it doesn't really predict the structures as perfect as it is supposed to be rather than mapping patterns for the soundwaves without emphasis or density.
[After Winter]
  1. 01:29:278 (7) - 01:47:222 (7) - NCs on stuff like this? I think the kicks are a good reason to NC, especially on the h Hmm alright, I might add them out due HP rate is a little high on this difficulty.
  2. 02:33:484 (4,5) - really looks like a 1/4 gap bc of this 02:33:063 (2,3) - But there is a literal difference between those notes based on the distance spacing. So visually, it can be highly noticeable despite approach rate of the difficulty, and players are able to recognize this rhythm composition a lot more better.
  3. 02:40:213 (7,2) - You're hiding the arrow, might be a problem? Due to high approach rate, the circle (7) disappears right after the reversed slider stream shows up on time and during gameplay rather than editor. I guess it's absolutely a "no problem".
  4. 04:28:998 - add a note here it works better imo I don't really feel like adding a circle here would work best for rhythm and following something out of the song track. But since the sound wave lands indirectly around this corner of the red tick, I don't think adding a casual circle over it would do its job well. So I might keep this a little blank for the ending note.
Didn't find a lot of problems, gl!
Thanks both of you! Sorry for the really late response, forgive me ;n;;;

@Kawa u gave me the wrong diff update lol xd
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro
wtf
Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro

_orange wrote:

[Extreme]
  1. 01:04:465 (2,3,4) - Rhythm should be switched
  2. 01:29:559 (3,4,1) - Could you change this so that 1 gets more emphasis than 4? same for second and third kiai - I dont think it need. 1 is already strong enough
  3. 01:40:493 (4) - Make this curved so it matches with 3
  4. 03:27:596 (4,5,6) - Really minor but could you make these even? - I don't think it's minor
  5. 04:28:998 (1) - It would be cool if this were a 1/2 slider instead - No, background music is stop at 04:28:998 (1) - here so map should stop here.
Maybe No problem this time ;3
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Fursum
523 posts
Joined August 2014
Fursum
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hp is kinda high for top diff as it is an alternatey map, maybe you could turn them down for 0,5 or 1

[After Winter]

00:17:222 (1,2,3,4) - I'd map this as a spaced double, the sounds don't snap very well and this is the very first pattern. So a simpler thing to set up the map as an alternate would do better.

00:26:624 - Actually this sound plays much better when it is mapped as a 1/2 slider, the sound on 1/4 is barely audible so it does feel off when playing it as a circle, and the extended slider helps highlighting the vocal.

00:27:877 - You had lots of vocals mapped as doubles, so this vocal on the slider end feels awkward.

01:11:334 (5,1) - This is very misleading, it only makes sense if you'd consider this as a 1/4 gap because of the buildup and the shrinking pattern. Maybe stack it under the last note idk.

02:13:017 - The skipped vocal isn't good cause you focused on vocals a lot in this section. The 1/4 slider could start at the red tick instead. Also helps contrasting the patterning with the next bit of vocal at 02:13:157 - where another vocalist gets introduced.

02:37:269 (2) - This note feels unnecessary, its the end of a previous vocal with a slight peak, and feels overmapped a bit cause it carries intensity over a verse.

02:41:194 - This could be mapped, maybe you wanted to highlight the vocal gap but i think the gap after 02:41:334 (1) - note is enough for that.

03:32:923 - This gap feels unnatural, you probably missed it tho if it was intentional, as the map focuses on vocals a lot this break isnt very fitting if you wanted to highlight the break of instruments.

Overall the alternate bits were fine to play but most of the time they felt overmapped and couldnt really get feedback through the song.
Kiai slider shapes and sometimes their flow were kinda random. You could argue that the lyrics are different each verse but i think it would be better if it had a similar structure level to the alternate bits.

To give an honest opinion, Kawa's diff would probably do better as a top diff.
I don't get why the set is very 1/4 heavy regarding hyper and challenging as well :/
You could probably get away with having very minor 1/4's on challenging and some more on hyper, tho they feel overcrowded right now.
Rin Desu
275 posts
Joined March 2013
Rin Desu
Hello ;)
here are my suggestions for your mapset!:

General:
Kawa's Extreme ends on 04:28:998 - all other diffs end on 04:29:278 (1) -

Beginner:

00:13:577 (1) - i saw somebody mentioned and u replied but imo this is to short. Nobody stops the spinner before it isnt done
02:02:362 (2) - rotate it a bit so that the slidertail leads directly into the 3
02:10:213 (1) - mhh i guess you tried to represent that voice part here but 02:12:456 (2) - has more intense stuff going on and in comparasion 02:12:456 (2) - looks boring and that doesnt make sense imo
02:50:587 (1,2) - blanket?
03:06:288 (3) - maybe take another shape, looks a bit odd xD like a little wave,curved one with the curve on the bottom or take a more obvious one like this : 03:51:148 (3) -
03:57:316 (4,1) - blanket

Average:

00:13:577 (1) - Spinner again too short imo
01:09:652 (5,6) - blanket
01:57:877 (3,4) - blanket
04:01:802 (7,1) - that overlap looks odd

Challenging:

03:30:680 (5) - should be a double, sliderend clickable

and yeah for this difficult im not a friend of these long combo chains like : 00:30:680 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - or 02:09:091 (4,5,6;...) its long and confusing for new player. I guess they need some sort of break. From a mapping perspectives its good and you reflected that song good but for a player on this level its overwhelming.

Hyper:

00:21:989 (8) - sliderend should be a click like you did here: 00:17:783 (4,1) -
00:26:475 (9) - here too
03:37:129 (4,5,1) - thats an untypical movement in your map, make the angle more sharp

and yeah its ok that you dont stack but if you make overlaps you should stick with one kind to be consitent, now they are different and kinda random imo.


But i like that diff very much!

Had a look in the other two diffs too.

for your last diff i cant say sth about that huge jump pattern but imo such sliderspam like for example: 02:00:120 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1) or 01:13:577 (5,1,2,3,4,1) - - feels a bit off. The vocals support here many more and to justify this diff i would recommend you to make it more difficult balanced . For me it seems like the only big difference between your highest diff and the Gd is the intensity of the buildupsections and spacing ;/

oh and i guess there i sth wrong with the ncs on the GD: 03:29:278 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,1) -
i played the Gd it was rly nice!

hope you get something useful out of this
have a nice day and good luck! :)
Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron

Fursum wrote:

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hp is kinda high for top diff as it is an alternatey map, maybe you could turn them down for 0,5 or 1 Probably added several new combos to prevent harsh reduction of the HP, yet it still high which is not even enough? I understand how that most players aren't used to this high HP, but the difficulty it suppose to be very tough as a top difficulty, no? So instead, having a little high HP might be necessary.

[After Winter]

00:17:222 (1,2,3,4) - I'd map this as a spaced double, the sounds don't snap very well and this is the very first pattern. So a simpler thing to set up the map as an alternate would do better. I don't really get you by "the sounds don't snap very well" as if you're talking about the objects or the timing itself. However, I doubt doubling the distance spacing here wouldn't be the best idea to broaden the pattern because yeah, it is the first pattern. So for its sake, I shouldn't let this be too hard for players to start off with random jumps or whatso.

00:26:624 - Actually this sound plays much better when it is mapped as a 1/2 slider, the sound on 1/4 is barely audible so it does feel off when playing it as a circle, and the extended slider helps highlighting the vocal. Alright, mapped out something here just a little bit.

00:27:877 - You had lots of vocals mapped as doubles, so this vocal on the slider end feels awkward. But it is not excessively amplified as 00:28:017 -, which the vocals sounds pretty diverse. So doubling would actually be worse.

01:11:334 (5,1) - This is very misleading, it only makes sense if you'd consider this as a 1/4 gap because of the buildup and the shrinking pattern. Maybe stack it under the last note idk. Hardly misleading, and it's probably noticeable though regarding the approach rate and new combos/placements.
Stacking it behind the condensing pattern's last note technically makes it more confusing because of the beat snapping. So I may need to keep this for a little longer.

02:13:017 - The skipped vocal isn't good cause you focused on vocals a lot in this section. The 1/4 slider could start at the red tick instead. Also helps contrasting the patterning with the next bit of vocal at 02:13:157 - where another vocalist gets introduced. Hmm Alright, did something here too~

02:37:269 (2) - This note feels unnecessary, its the end of a previous vocal with a slight peak, and feels overmapped a bit cause it carries intensity over a verse. I still do believe this should be followed at some point, even if it's just some random voice crack or something. Ignoring it can make the rhythm composition be a little awkward to hear if this were to be removed or replaced as a slider. So calling it "unnecessary" is not an understatement.

02:41:194 - This could be mapped, maybe you wanted to highlight the vocal gap but i think the gap after 02:41:334 (1) - note is enough for that. But to be very honest, there isn't any kinds of track to be heard in that part right after the hi-hat streams. They fade out instantly until these sudden 1/2 drums come up, which makes this gap a blank. Although to make a good use of this blank is to increase the distance spacing for some bits of motion. So yeah, I don't think continuously highlighting this area can be that important.

03:32:923 - This gap feels unnatural, you probably missed it tho if it was intentional, as the map focuses on vocals a lot this break isnt very fitting if you wanted to highlight the break of instruments. And adding such notes here might also sound unfitting as well. Because the vocals doesn't seem to be on beat at that moment where the instruments break off until the build up. I probably tried before if I remember correctly, but the snapping of the vocals here doesn't seem right at that point. So it'd be best to keep this at a little break for players on gameplay.

Overall the alternate bits were fine to play but most of the time they felt overmapped and couldnt really get feedback through the song.
Kiai slider shapes and sometimes their flow were kinda random. You could argue that the lyrics are different each verse but i think it would be better if it had a similar structure level to the alternate bits.

To give an honest opinion, Kawa's diff would probably do better as a top diff. That's one harsh statement you have, I find it a lack of belief. But thanks for your feedback o/
I don't get why the set is very 1/4 heavy regarding hyper and challenging as well :/
You could probably get away with having very minor 1/4's on challenging and some more on hyper, tho they feel overcrowded right now.

Rin Desu wrote:

Hello ;)
here are my suggestions for your mapset!:

General:
Kawa's Extreme ends on 04:28:998 - all other diffs end on 04:29:278 (1) - To be fair, Guest difficulties can have different endings than the mappers' difficulties. Well, it's technically okay though.

Beginner:

00:13:577 (1) - i saw somebody mentioned and u replied but imo this is to short. Nobody stops the spinner before it isnt done Well, it's a five-seconds spinner start-up. How is that being "short" from two measures of downbeat on a slow BPM song covered with one spinner? So until 00:18:063 - ,
it is already done for.
02:02:362 (2) - rotate it a bit so that the slidertail leads directly into the 3 Alright then.
02:10:213 (1) - mhh i guess you tried to represent that voice part here but 02:12:456 (2) - has more intense stuff going on and in comparasion 02:12:456 (2) - looks boring and that doesnt make sense imo Ehh... What makes it boring and nonsense? The rapping part is not something I could follow in every easy difficulties. So it should be mapped out with long sliders if you feel by following it.
02:50:587 (1,2) - blanket? Sorry, no. I don't blanket.
03:06:288 (3) - maybe take another shape, looks a bit odd xD like a little wave,curved one with the curve on the bottom or take a more obvious one like this : 03:51:148 (3) - I might try curving the slider out more, yeah.
03:57:316 (4,1) - blanket Like I said, I don't blanket.

Average:

00:13:577 (1) - Spinner again too short imo The same thing too
01:09:652 (5,6) - blanket h
01:57:877 (3,4) - blanketm
04:01:802 (7,1) - that overlap looks odd Well, I've kinda done it for the distance spacing though. I did thought about rotating the curved-up slider a little lower, but it ruins the structural flow visually. So that's what makes it odd.

Challenging:

03:30:680 (5) - should be a double, sliderend clickable For the sake of consistency to most patterns and rhythm compositions, I haven't done a single circle-only triplets around the whole difficulty, just a ton of slider+circle layout of them. So I would rather prefer this a slider kick, so the least thing is it's still following the hi-hats on the background.

and yeah for this difficult im not a friend of these long combo chains like : 00:30:680 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - or 02:09:091 (4,5,6;...) its long and confusing for new player. I guess they need some sort of break. From a mapping perspectives its good and you reflected that song good but for a player on this level its overwhelming.

Hyper:

00:21:989 (8) - sliderend should be a click like you did here: 00:17:783 (4,1) - Not as audible as the previous vocal land, but I sort of agree partially. The thing is, I didn't really want to make more chains of circles just for the vocals. So a slider here would be somehow necessary for players to hold up for the small streams that's coming in the next few measures.
00:26:475 (9) - here too here too
03:37:129 (4,5,1) - thats an untypical movement in your map, make the angle more sharp Hmm sure thing. Even though this structure already has a very sharp angles due to it's linear flow.

and yeah its ok that you dont stack but if you make overlaps you should stick with one kind to be consitent, now they are different and kinda random imo.


But i like that diff very much!

Had a look in the other two diffs too.

for your last diff i cant say sth about that huge jump pattern but imo such sliderspam like for example: 02:00:120 (3,4,1,2,3,4,1) or 01:13:577 (5,1,2,3,4,1) - - feels a bit off. The vocals support here many more and to justify this diff i would recommend you to make it more difficult balanced . For me it seems like the only big difference between your highest diff and the Gd is the intensity of the buildupsections and spacing ;/ That is one of the point of difficulty spread gapping. The highest difficulty's intensity difference with the GD is absolutely the note density and distance spacing. To explain how that could work out, the buildup section/distance spacing on highest diff should be slightly bigger than the extreme regarding the difficulty level between Insane and Extra. As for consistency, there are similar rhythms and patterning, but that doesn't mean it should be equally balanced in difficulty. You should know the two top diffs are in total different levels.

hope you get something useful out of this
have a nice day and good luck! :)
Thanks both of you for the mod~ o//
DeRandom Otaku
2,136 posts
Joined November 2014
DeRandom Otaku
[After winter]
  1. 00:27:596 (2) - You could change this to a 1/2 slider + circle for the vocal at 00:27:877 - You did the same thing on 00:29:839 (2,3) - so yeah
  2. 01:04:605 (7) - 01:09:091 (6) - Since you are emphasizing those snare-ish sounds in this section, it would be much better to change these one into 2 circles instead because in the rest of the whole section, these sounds are clickable on every spot except for 01:04:746 - 01:09:232 - These
  3. 01:07:970 (3) - Probably split this one into a slider+circle too for consistency with 01:03:484 (3,4) -
  4. 02:05:166 (7) - NC like you did on 01:47:222 (1) - 01:29:278 (1) - etc
  5. 02:05:166 (7,8,9,10) - Also why not increase spacing on these. I mean, like in previous section the latter 4 notes had higher spacing than the first four ones to emphasize the drums getting more intense, Similar is the case here with the drums on 02:05:166 -
  6. 02:05:727 - Alright this section is my concern right now. You see the section itself in song is calm and all that but your average spacing (such as 02:05:867 (2,3) - for example) is quite big. Big spacing is fine in ex difficulties yeah But the thing i am trying to say is that as you can see the section after that at 02:14:699 - Is so much more stronger yet your average spacing on this section (such as 02:15:820 (5,6,7) - for example) is pretty much the same as what you have on the previous part which is much calmer. I would really like to see a little bit of nerf in spacing of the calm section OR a little buff in spacing of the intense section because right now there is hardly any contrast between both sections to me
  7. 02:40:493 (1,2,3) - uh this is just a suggestion but well since this is the top difficulty of the set, you can have a little bit of circle stream action going on here to spice up the gameplay even more
  8. 03:30:260 (5,6) - Uh try to not emphasize the beats here as much as 03:30:680 (7,8) - and 03:29:559 (2,3) - because the beats on 03:30:260 (5,6) - are hardly even audible while the others that i pointed out have strong drums and vocals on them
  9. 04:28:718 - Well the song actually starts to faint from 04:28:858 - the sound at 04:28:718 - is still as strong as 04:27:596 - 04:26:475 - so yeah i suggest you make this clickable as well
[Kawa]
  1. 00:27:877 (3) - i strongly recommend you do a circle + slider just like you did on 00:30:120 (3,4) - because the vocal on 00:28:017 - is pretty strong and ignoring it is really meh
  2. 01:47:222 (1,2) - The way you executed these drums at 01:29:278 (1,2,3,4) - Because at 01:47:222 - the drums get more intense and mapping them with weaker stuff is also pretty meh
  3. 03:16:942 (5,6,1) - 04:10:774 (1,2,3) - yeah same with these
[Hyper]
  1. 00:30:120 (2,3,4) - to be honest the rhythm you used earlier for these vocals ,such as at 00:27:877 (2,3) - , fits a lot better Because by making 00:30:400 - this clickable , the beat on 00:30:260 - looses the emphasis it deserves
  2. 02:21:288 (9,1) - Uh this jump is pretty evil lol. You didnt make any jump stream earlier so this could seriously catch players off guard Also on top of that i don't really think that 02:21:428 - deserves a jump or anything because you don't have any strong sound here that could use higher spacing as emphasis
  3. 02:37:128 (1,2) - sneaky combo breaker :eyes:
  4. 03:32:082 (3) - Atleast extend the slider to blue tick so it lands on a vocal, right now it feels kinda random. Or you can just end it on the yellow 1/8th tick for perfection. its just a slider end with a gap after it so even if it was an easy difficulty,i would feel safe doing that because the player doesn't need to click anything
[Challenge]
  1. 01:11:334 (4,5,1) - Since this is not the expert difficulty and 1/4 jumps don't exists here ,this is kind of a problem. 1/2 is the base rhythm in lower difficulties like these, 01:11:334 (4,5) - these actually count as jumps ,just like 1/4 notes count as jumps on the expert difficulty. So yea in this case i strongly recommend having 01:11:895 (1) - This spaced instead of stacked because well you know the note on which this is stacked on supports a much weaker sound than 01:11:895 - and thats why it should get emphasis and by stacking it, it looses a lot of emphasis because it has almost no movement from previous to this note
Lower difficulties are cool
cant wait for red wall of text :eyes:
Cerulean Veyron
2,090 posts
Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

[After winter]
  1. 00:27:596 (2) - You could change this to a 1/2 slider + circle for the vocal at 00:27:877 - You did the same thing on 00:29:839 (2,3) - so yeah I presume you actually mean by changing the slider into 1/4 a.k.a. sliderkick? pftt fine
  2. 01:04:605 (7) - 01:09:091 (6) - Since you are emphasizing those snare-ish sounds in this section, it would be much better to change these one into 2 circles instead because in the rest of the whole section, these sounds are clickable on every spot except for 01:04:746 - 01:09:232 - These Those are pretty noticeable, true you say. But replacing it over the two parts in composition and not anywhere after that, makes it seem a bit inconsistent since those snare sounds in the song track's background is very deliberated. So I'd only add circles on continuous notes landing like it's some sort of a stream, somehow referring to this 01:06:848 (5,6,7,8) - , which looks good on it's own. But overall it's nothing like the other two, and again isn't seen anywhere else.
  3. 01:07:970 (3) - Probably split this one into a slider+circle too for consistency with 01:03:484 (3,4) - Alright then.
  4. 02:05:166 (7) - NC like you did on 01:47:222 (1) - 01:29:278 (1) - etc a
  5. 02:05:166 (7,8,9,10) - Also why not increase spacing on these. I mean, like in previous section the latter 4 notes had higher spacing than the first four ones to emphasize the drums getting more intense, Similar is the case here with the drums on 02:05:166 - In my opinion, the transition on this structure doesn't really intricate that much when it comes to visual aspects in gameplay, especially spacing them out. Because of that, spacing this one out would still not actually make much of a contrast while attempting to emphasize the drums in the song track. In general, it seems pretty dainty so perhaps reducing the distance spacing here would help convey the drums and emphasis in this section more perfectly.
  6. 02:05:727 - Alright this section is my concern right now. You see the section itself in song is calm and all that but your average spacing (such as 02:05:867 (2,3) - for example) is quite big. Big spacing is fine in ex difficulties yeah But the thing i am trying to say is that as you can see the section after that at 02:14:699 - Is so much more stronger yet your average spacing on this section (such as 02:15:820 (5,6,7) - for example) is pretty much the same as what you have on the previous part which is much calmer. I would really like to see a little bit of nerf in spacing of the calm section OR a little buff in spacing of the intense section because right now there is hardly any contrast between both sections to me So, since you're implying that this part is relatively calm to you personally, just after following the drums, I don't really think randomly switching up big spacings like these could fit best on this whole new verse. I could really tell that both vocals and those calm tracks in the music change around 02:05:727 - is much stronger than 02:14:699 - in any layer, so nerfing it just for the other composition doesn't seem to make a lot of sense effectively. So instead, structures like these wouldn't affect too much over the what-so-called emphasis and might not derange it. Technically if some pattern like this is done where it isn't warranted by big spacing, it could actually misrepresent the song track and be misleading. So I think it'd be best to keep up a little more of the contradiction on this part for now.
  7. 02:40:493 (1,2,3) - uh this is just a suggestion but well since this is the top difficulty of the set, you can have a little bit of circle stream action going on here to spice up the gameplay even more finally, at least you have some senses.
  8. 03:30:260 (5,6) - Uh try to not emphasize the beats here as much as 03:30:680 (7,8) - and 03:29:559 (2,3) - because the beats on 03:30:260 (5,6) - are hardly even audible while the others that i pointed out have strong drums and vocals on them It's not that the notes are mostly following the beats over vocals. Considering that these types of soundwaves are much weaker in the song track than the previous, but at least the vocals sounds very audible and outpacing the beats you mentioned. So I think it would be best to accentuate such tracks rather than skipping them out where they could potentially have notes to follow on.
  9. 04:28:718 - Well the song actually starts to faint from 04:28:858 - the sound at 04:28:718 - is still as strong as 04:27:596 - 04:26:475 - so yeah i suggest you make this clickable as well a
[Hyper]
  1. 00:30:120 (2,3,4) - to be honest the rhythm you used earlier for these vocals ,such as at 00:27:877 (2,3) - , fits a lot better Because by making 00:30:400 - this clickable , the beat on 00:30:260 - looses the emphasis it deserves The rhythm here doesn't seem like it's needed to be closely emphasizing to nearly everything including vocals, anything in particular for sure. Let's say, 00:27:877 (2,3) - are apparently done the same way as 00:30:400 - , even though these both parts and the one you mentioned are clearly different in the song track. Similarly it actually seems like the emphasis are already taken into account in comparison as they land on different spots, yet they are still the same.
  2. 02:21:288 (9,1) - Uh this jump is pretty evil lol. You didnt make any jump stream earlier so this could seriously catch players off guard Also on top of that i don't really think that 02:21:428 - deserves a jump or anything because you don't have any strong sound here that could use higher spacing as emphasis If I'm right, I've probably did also done such small stream jump or something similar to this concept, somehow around this section. Would technically say they're these 02:07:409 (8,9) - and 02:11:755 (6,7) - etc. Wouldn't actually mind keeping this jump for the downbeat at least.
  3. 02:37:128 (1,2) - sneaky combo breaker :eyes: m
  4. 03:32:082 (3) - Atleast extend the slider to blue tick so it lands on a vocal, right now it feels kinda random. Or you can just end it on the yellow 1/8th tick for perfection. its just a slider end with a gap after it so even if it was an easy difficulty,i would feel safe doing that because the player doesn't need to click anything Might try another slider+circle transition here to alter much better than extensive sliders.
[Challenge]
  1. 01:11:334 (4,5,1) - Since this is not the expert difficulty and 1/4 jumps don't exists here ,this is kind of a problem. 1/2 is the base rhythm in lower difficulties like these, 01:11:334 (4,5) - these actually count as jumps ,just like 1/4 notes count as jumps on the expert difficulty. So yea in this case i strongly recommend having 01:11:895 (1) - This spaced instead of stacked because well you know the note on which this is stacked on supports a much weaker sound than 01:11:895 - and thats why it should get emphasis and by stacking it, it looses a lot of emphasis because it has almost no movement from previous to this note Spacing the stacked ones like was started from 01:11:334 (4,5) -, where things like that wouldn't really need to be spaced too high and positioned differently than any other, therefore I'm actually using one value of distance spacing which is 1.3x spacing gap. That means, I wouldn't add somewhat of a concept and structure to their placement. Not that it's necessary, but it wouldn't also look neater if it were to be swapping out stacks. I do know what you mean here, but it literally doesn't seem to be having such intensity even though it's just a build-up section. So basically, it's pretty drastic enough to make an emphasis on this part, so yeah. You know the drill.
Lower difficulties are cool
cant wait for red wall of text :eyes: you asked for it :eyes:
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Kawashiro
1,522 posts
Joined April 2012
Kawashiro

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

[Kawa]
  1. 00:27:877 (3) - i strongly recommend you do a circle + slider just like you did on 00:30:120 (3,4) - because the vocal on 00:28:017 - is pretty strong and ignoring it is really meh
  2. 01:47:222 (1,2) - The way you executed these drums at 01:29:278 (1,2,3,4) - Because at 01:47:222 - the drums get more intense and mapping them with weaker stuff is also pretty meh - first one is between kiai and kiai so it should keep and increase tension, but second is the end of kiai so it should reduce tension and click.
  3. 03:16:942 (5,6,1) - 04:10:774 (1,2,3) - yeah same with these - ^
cant wait for red wall of text :eyes: - there is no red wall because im not good at english lol
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296,340,250634,1,4,0:3:0:0:
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96,248,254418,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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416,360,255820,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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128,96,258063,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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388,340,260306,5,2,0:0:0:0:
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428,92,261147,1,2,0:0:0:0:
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DeRandom Otaku
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DeRandom Otaku
I am fine with those explanations. Bubbled!
Kawashiro
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kool
ZekeyHache
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ZekeyHache
hi

[General]
  1. Can you provide me your metadata source? I couldn't find it on a quick glance at the thread~
  2. 1.6mb for a bg image? That's a lot, please use this one to save more space. Quality is still good~
[Average]
  1. 00:13:577 (1) - Makes more sense if you end at 00:15:820 - (like you did in the hard diff) because the sound there is pretty strong. (the one in the easiest diff looks fine since it already ends in a stronger sound and you're not going for the first vocals)
  2. 00:33:484 (4,5,6,7) - , 01:56:194 (7,1,2,3) - these 4-object overlaps don't look appealing (imo), maybe make the patterns neater?
[Hyper]
  1. 04:25:914 (3) - maybe move it upwards like this so the transition from the previous note has a sharper angle for a more comfortable flow?
[Kawa's Extreme]
  1. 00:55:073 - , 02:24:792 - maybe use a break shortener in these places like Veyron did in the rest of his diffs? (considering you did it at 03:18:624 - )
  2. 01:29:839 (1) - I don't think it makes sense to stack this slider with (3). Since the difference in the strength of these notes is quite notable, I suggest to increase the intensity of the jump of it for a better representation/emphasis; this would be nice imo. Returning to the same spot when intensity is different is a bit odd.
  3. 02:16:241 (2,3) - This blanket could be improved
  4. 02:59:558 (1) - & 03:53:390 (1) - same as in 01:29:839 (1) -
  5. 04:08:531 (4,1) - It surprises me that you didn't use a jump between these two notes when (1) is a very strong note, it should stand out more (with a jump).
  6. 04:28:998 (1) - move it to 04:29:278 - for better emphasis in the vocals (like Veyron did in his diffs)
[After Winter]
  1. 00:39:933 (6,7) - maybe make a blanket?
Call me back if you want~
Cerulean Veyron
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Topic Starter
Cerulean Veyron

ezek wrote:

hi

[General]
  1. Can you provide me your metadata source? I couldn't find it on a quick glance at the thread~ Here's what I got; Php - Tracklist
  2. 1.6mb for a bg image? That's a lot, please use this one to save more space. Quality is still good~ The background you provided is slightly pixelated somehow. I even tried it out with my monitor screen, and it pretty much is... I will try to re-compress the current background though. Don't worry, consider this as applied ;p
[Average]
  1. 00:13:577 (1) - Makes more sense if you end at 00:15:820 - (like you did in the hard diff) because the sound there is pretty strong. (the one in the easiest diff looks fine since it already ends in a stronger sound and you're not going for the first vocals) Few also mentioned this iirc, so I guess I'll give it a try for now!
  2. 00:33:484 (4,5,6,7) - , 01:56:194 (7,1,2,3) - these 4-object overlaps don't look appealing (imo), maybe make the patterns neater? ok
[Hyper]
  1. 04:25:914 (3) - maybe move it upwards like this so the transition from the previous note has a sharper angle for a more comfortable flow? Doesn't really look comfortable to me somehow, the flux over this part isn't suppose to be that steep in angles. Although moving the slider higher up would probably make the structure look solidly perpendicular which is something that might not be the best in narrowing such flows around here. I might keep the current one for a wider visual of the pattern. Thanks for the effort!
[After Winter]
  1. 00:39:933 (6,7) - maybe make a blanket? srsly????
Call me back if you want~
ayy ttytyty ezek >w</

awaiting kawa's respond so i can updateu
Shmiklak
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wow qualified soon. cool
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Sorry guys, it seems I won't be able to qualify this map soon since I've been moved to probation. Good luck!
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