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O2i3 - TSLove [OsuMania]

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Maxus
Nomination Assessment Team
1,238 posts
Joined May 2014
Maxus

Litharrale wrote:

You're absolutely correct in the fact that repeating patterns for extended periods are boring. But not only does that only apply for boring patterns (which this map has practically none of), it also only applies if those boring patterns go on for a long time. By your logic, most stream maps in standard are boring. Who wants to play freedom dive? It's just a lot of the same pattern over and over but with things slightly moved around.

The example you gave

there's 5 kiai part which last for 1:30 with constant repetitive music
>Which last for 1:30

That's longer than this entire song! The kiai section in TSLove lasts for 21 seconds and has 9 SV changes and no generic boring patterns. You're saying this is enough for someone to get bored and not want to play the map?

No. You're saying that repeating this but ctrl-H'd for the second kiai is unacceptable. Why? SDVX commonly (as in almost all songs) will repeat sections but flipped. Why do they do this? It's because going 1-2-3-4 is not the same as going 4-3-2-1. It presents a different challenge since humans don't learn a skill backwards when they learn it forwards. How well can you speak english in reverse?

So does this mean that the new change is bad? Of course not. It means that what it was before was fine and all you did was nitpick problems.
Having a 1-3-2-4 pattern repeat for a minute then ctrl-H it for the next minute is a problem. What this map was, wasn't a problem.


might as well use qualification machine
At least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.
tbh the fact that you said FD STD is boring without variation is just prove that you just assuming thing without even try to understand and looking at the map itself.. a complete shame.
also i love how you compared with maps from 2012 and other modes which is off topic with mania.

How about if i'd say, Isn't the shorter the song, the less time for you to showed what you are capable of showing in front of audience (player) then? especially in rythming song game like what you said :/ ... you have to look it from timing comparison instead of numeric direct number .. (300 second with 90 second in marathon is equal to 90 : 21 in this map, which if you divide the marathon version one, will be 90: 27 . which is still longer number increment. Thus proving again that my argument basically even stronger with the fact lol.) Oh, and btw , I also just wanna say the example of the map that can utilize the variation in a great way lmao. don't be nitpicky with what you want to answer :p
I wanna say for first, I didn't say Ctrl+H things are always unnacceptable by any means, it is something that you can use if you know the precise moment where you can use it. but not when it's the entire kiai where you can precisely do other things to change that. ohh, and your analogy doesn't makes sense and invalid for reverse english since we practically almost never speak language in reverse while when we playing a pattern, we are confronted with the reverse pattern everyday.

Isn't modding about improving the map which is based on the fact from the pattern that the mapper map him/herself? Just because it is fine in following music wise, doesn't mean that it isn't improvable by having the pattern something different , I don't see the reason to reject more diverse pattern that still complementing the song.. it would be really awkward if you insist of having the same pattern when you know things can be better..

At least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.
At least I took my time to care improving maps instead of just blatantly complaining about other things lol.

And also, you practically saying that "It's fine to have pattern like this, no need to change this because it's fine" all along without considering that modding is about improving, which is a shame though... Now it just feels like you try to put blame on me by putting the words in my mouth and defending the pattern that can be improvable. Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
Ilham
Global Moderator / Elite Nominator
683 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Ilham
umm, just to make the things up. at the first time I hear the repeating part, I, myself, really want to make a variant pattern in it, but the density itself doesn't support my wish. and tbh I also wondering to use more LN in the pattern, in the two of kiai. but there were some claps that should must be reduced 1 note that I don't know whether it's okay to break the consistency or not. and so on Maxus came with his explanation, I also play pporse's salvation. and really, it's a good map with various pattern. so that I want to push this map with current pattern. unless someone came up and "explain" to me another way to improve this map. thanks for all who support this beatmap!

Maxus wrote:

Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
uwu
Surono
7,195 posts
Joined November 2013
Surono

Maxus wrote:

Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
*sniff*.. when people give something that is actually good and makes happy, but nowadays??? uhh why this happens lel. just sad

*EDIT:
lah, kata2 yg gw quote udah dipertamax om baim anjai wkwkw., baru beberapa detik tad pulak wkwkkw (rip telat post)
Litharrale
705 posts
Joined August 2013
Litharrale

Maxus wrote:

Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
Just because I criticized you doesn't mean I'm salty or hating lmao

smh thin skinned BNs
Ilham
Global Moderator / Elite Nominator
683 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Ilham

Surono wrote:

*EDIT:
lah, kata2 yg gw quote udah dipertamax om baim anjai wkwkw., baru beberapa detik tad pulak wkwkkw (rip telat post)
om baim lel
Syadow-
Beatmap Nominator
1,514 posts
Joined October 2013
Syadow-
Rame uwu
W Kira ada byk mod lel v:
Oss for fun owo
Surono
7,195 posts
Joined November 2013
Surono

Ilham wrote:

om baim lel

ASTAGA KURANG AQUA GW!!

#AdaAqua #EfekNyimengGanjaHalalYaituDaunSingkong
Dellvangel
1,269 posts
Joined November 2014
Dellvangel
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/5859454 denied the kds since there is no mod there and and reseted the deny to give a chance if the modder want to edit that post as a mod.
Maxus
Nomination Assessment Team
1,238 posts
Joined May 2014
Maxus

Litharrale wrote:

Maxus wrote:

Can we just stop the salt and hate here and improve the map instead? lol.
Just because I criticized you doesn't mean I'm salty or hating lmao

smh thin skinned BNs
You can't just say a map is bad because "err derr music is inherently unmappable".
At least it'd be fairer than the B4B system we have now.
Pretty sure twisting someone's words out of their mouth and complaining about the system are just a futile attempt of looking towards unneeded problem with someone lmaooo... oops, better luck next time ~

Ilham wrote:

umm, just to make the things up. at the first time I hear the repeating part, I, myself, really want to make a variant pattern in it, but the density itself doesn't support my wish. and tbh I also wondering to use more LN in the pattern, in the two of kiai. but there were some claps that should must be reduced 1 note that I don't know whether it's okay to break the consistency or not. and so on Maxus came with his explanation, I also play pporse's salvation. and really, it's a good map with various pattern. so that I want to push this map with current pattern. unless someone came up and "explain" to me another way to improve this map. thanks for all who support this beatmap!
Klo lu dh ol lg, kntak gw ddalam game ya..
Litharrale
705 posts
Joined August 2013
Litharrale
complaining about the system are just a futile attempt of looking towards unneeded problem with someone lmaooo... oops, better luck next time ~
Do you have an English translation
Ibrahim
1,191 posts
Joined July 2013
Ibrahim

Litharrale wrote:

complaining about the system are just a futile attempt of looking towards unneeded problem with someone lmaooo... oops, better luck next time ~
Do you have an English translation
lol stop this, you just spamming the trhead. it's better you talking with Maxus in personal message than here
good luck Ilham for rank~


Surono wrote:

Ilham wrote:

om baim lel

ASTAGA KURANG AQUA GW!!

#AdaAqua #EfekNyimengGanjaHalalYaituDaunSingkong
Ilham sama Ibrahim jauh ya ._.
Maxus
Nomination Assessment Team
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Joined May 2014
Maxus
a little irc
20:42 Ilham: baru cek forum o/
20:42 Ilham: irc kah?
20:43 Maxus: iy, mw skrg?
20:43 Ilham: bisa
20:45 *Maxus is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152537 O2i3 - TSLove [MXLove]]
20:45 *Ilham is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152537 O2i3 - TSLove [MXLove]]
20:46 Maxus: 00:21:880 - patternny klo diliat dsini, kayak ngrahny kekiri smua.. klo bs ad yg arahny dibikin beda
20:46 Maxus: soalny section lain pda ga gitu
20:47 Ilham: oiya
20:47 Ilham: fixed
20:48 Maxus: 00:55:447 - kurang LN buat vocal kykny dsini
20:49 Ilham: oke
20:50 Maxus: 01:03:718 (63718|3,63799|2,63880|3,63961|2) - cba bkin variasi bru? 3-4-3-4 cnthny
20:51 Maxus: 01:11:988 - 01:12:150 - kurang LN kayak 01:09:718 - 
20:52 Ilham: yup kiai 2 more fresh
20:54 Maxus: klo bs cmpurin variasiny di kiai 2 yg pattern sjenis itu 
20:54 Maxus: kiai 1 ga pa2 klo patternny sama, msih awal soalny :3
20:55 Maxus: 01:30:150 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528161 saran gw buat pianony bisa dibuat semacam trill, karena pianony jg kyk ngulang tempo melodiny
20:57 Maxus: 01:27:231 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528179 alur streamny bs dibuat kekanan, biar dpt flow counter dr pattern reverse di 01:27:718 - 
20:59 Ilham: oke, disini reverse juga 01:24:312 (84312|0) -
20:59 Ilham: tapi di campuran 1/6 sama 1/8 nya rada hard-to-hit
21:00 Ilham: 01:27:609 (87609|2,87718|3,87772|2) -
21:00 Maxus: jarakny msih 1/3 dari transisi ke reverse stream, hrsny msih ga gtu ssh 
21:01 Maxus: 01:29:664 - osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528218 ini tadi lnjutan dr yg 01:30:150 - , klo dbkin msih2 4 note stack kiri ma kanan lebih balance
21:02 Maxus: itu ja buat diff ini, overall great job!
21:02 Ilham: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528218
21:03 Ilham: biar bisa diklik :v
21:03 Maxus: iya kyk gitu wkkw, nice :3
21:05 Ilham: stacknya kubikin 3 aja kayaknya
21:05 Maxus: kyk gmn?
21:06 Ilham: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528259
21:08 Maxus: oh, ga pa2 kok 
21:08 Maxus: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528271 btw, 1 hal yg wa mw mention soal diff gap ama HD dari NM.. rip]
21:09 Ilham: 01:27:555 (87555|1,87609|2) - sama ini ku ctrl H biar ganti tangan?
21:09 Ilham: jarak 1/3 nya
21:09 Ilham: yang tadi
21:12 Maxus: ctrl+h dr SS wa ato dr pattern yg skrg?
21:12 Ilham: waduh stack ternyata
21:12 Ilham: ss mu
21:13 Maxus: di keep skrg gpp imo. ga gtu ssh sbnrny.. tp trserah..
21:14 Ilham: keep pattern sekarang aja deh ya
21:14 Maxus: oh y udh..
21:15 Ilham: mx sudah?
21:15 Ilham: update dulu kah?
21:15 Maxus: brsamaan ma NM ja dlu
21:15 Maxus: NM ad yg mw wa bcarain lg soalny
21:16 *Ilham is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1152538 O2i3 - TSLove [NM]]
21:17 Maxus: 00:00:637 - pattern awal disini pake concept kyk MX , prtamanya msih rda loyo dlu, kyk https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528356
21:17 Maxus: apply ampe 00:11:015 - biar gapny mulus antar diff
21:19 Ilham: ok applying
21:22 Ilham: 00:10:528 - ini pake note ga?
21:23 Maxus: ga ush yg itu..
21:24 Ilham: oke done
21:26 Maxus: 00:21:718 - bagi wa kiainy undermapped.. jadiny gapny ama HD kjauhan krna kiai ny 1/1 note klo HD nyampur 1/4 stream... kiainy dbkin 1/2 1/2 note kyk https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528441 biar merata spreadnya
21:28 Ilham: wah ini baru open ref ke HD keliatan kosong juga
21:32 Maxus: mkany itu yg wa mksd.. klo dr 1/1 note tiba2 lgsg 1/4 stream, u bkal dipaksa antara bkin diff baru / ngebuff NM
21:36 Maxus: 00:42:150 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528502 klo ente perhatiin di section ini, red tickny punya suara hithat khusus tersendiri, ente bisa follow itu ja ditambah ma LN buat synth.. itu juga bkin diff spreadny lebih linear
21:37 Ilham: oki
21:38 Ilham: dulu belly flopper juga disuruh simple yang novice sama zan wkwkw
21:40 Maxus: wkwkw, yg simple tp spread dr easy ke normal ke hardny ttp seimbang :3
21:43 Ilham: done
21:46 Maxus: sugesti wa yg di 00:42:150 - udah jg?
21:46 Maxus: kiai 2 jg dibkin sama biar konsisten
21:47 Ilham: udah
21:47 Ilham: kiai 2 malah yang belom wkwkw
21:47 Maxus: 00:52:528 - yg ini bkin 1/1 pattern ampe 00:57:718 - 
21:48 Maxus: kayak yg di 00:00:637 - 
21:48 Maxus: konsepny sama
21:48 Maxus: abis itu kiai 2 ama outro jg pake 1/2 1/2 , abis itu udah
21:48 Ilham: oke
21:53 Ilham: done
21:53 Ilham: EZ?
21:54 Maxus: iya
21:54 *Maxus is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180131 O2i3 - TSLove]
21:54 *Maxus is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180131 O2i3 - TSLove [EZ]]
21:54 *Ilham is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1180131 O2i3 - TSLove [EZ]]
21:55 Maxus: 00:16:204 - bkin double, finish
21:55 Ilham: added
21:56 Ilham: 00:10:528 (10528|0,10691|1,10853|2,11015|0,11015|3) - oiya ini gimana?
21:56 Ilham: 00:10:042 (10042|2) - apa ini diganti LN?
21:57 Maxus: ikutin red linenya imo
21:58 Ilham: oke di kolom 1
21:59 Maxus: [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7528683 drtd wa mkir, kra2 beginner ngehit 1/1 double bs/ga y.. hmm]
22:00 Ilham: bisa, ngefollow NM nya yang dinaikin sr nya xD
22:01 Maxus: iya, NM kan 2-1-2-1 pattern.. klo basic 2-2-2 setiap 1/1..
22:01 Maxus: tjuannya sama juga, biar spread diffny seimbang
22:02 Ilham: oke
22:02 Ilham: di pra kiai 2 juga kan?
22:02 Maxus: iya, yang 00:57:718 - ampe 00:59:988 - juga
22:03 Maxus: SRnya masih 1,45
22:03 Ilham: seep
22:04 Maxus: 00:23:664 - 00:26:258 - 00:28:853 - 00:34:042 - , dan sbagainy, bagian itu kyk ga ad pnkanan sma skli wktu musikny brhenti mendadak, mnurut wa, tiap x ad momen gitu, bkin jadi 2 note
22:05 Ilham: woke impactnya
22:09 Ilham: done btw

Recheck everything, map seems to be fine, so I'll bub it :D
Good luck Ilham and Syadow!
Syadow-
Beatmap Nominator
1,514 posts
Joined October 2013
Syadow-
Weee dah bub v:
>w< thx mas dikon
Ilham
Global Moderator / Elite Nominator
683 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Ilham
little peropero change on NM qwp
Fontes
110 posts
Joined August 2016
Fontes
Its fun map. good luck !
Ilham
Global Moderator / Elite Nominator
683 posts
Joined August 2013
Topic Starter
Ilham

Fontes wrote:

Its fun map. good luck !
thank you for the support! also thanks to dkingo for the star :3
Critical_Star
Beatmap Nominator
1,210 posts
Joined December 2013
Critical_Star
some suggestion before qualify

NM
00:36:474 - how about add another note here? would be nice to catch the vocal here too
00:46:204 (46204|1,46853|3,47015|2,47177|0) - suggestion > http://puu.sh/uYRGR/ad906fa2ef.png
00:59:015 (59015|2,59177|1,59339|0,59339|3,59501|2,59664|1,59826|2,59988|3,59988|0,60150|1) - was thinking u could use mirror previous pattern variation here > http://puu.sh/uYRKx/35ad0f7f7a.png
01:07:609 - 01:17:988 - same idea like before if u accept
01:19:934 - suggest to add a note here, i see u did catch the sync sound here like 01:20:258 (80258|0) -
01:33:393 (93393|2,93393|3) - i guess u would'nt need a double here

Sya's HD
00:17:826 (17826|0,17826|3,17988|1,17988|2,18150|0,18150|3,18312|2,18312|1,18474|3,18474|0,18636|2,18636|1,18799|0,18799|3) - it suddenly feel a little off here compared to your previous pattern variation, i suggest to rearrange them like your previous part.
00:59:339 (59339|0,59339|3,59501|1,59501|2,59664|3,59664|0,59826|2,59826|1,59988|3,59988|0,60150|2,60150|1) - consider to variate them too like your my suggestion ^
01:30:636 (90636|3,90691|2) - it is correct but i will suggest to make them 1/4 for better playability. what do you think?

MX
00:40:204 - till 00:40:528 - and 01:21:393 - till 01:22:042 -
does these sv are necessary? because i don't really feel what is the effect for >:(
basically it just sound the same with other in chorus part and this sv feel a little sudden
still play fine for me but it just a little odd
Syadow-
Beatmap Nominator
1,514 posts
Joined October 2013
Syadow-

Critical_Star wrote:

some suggestion before qualify

Sya's HD
00:17:826 (17826|0,17826|3,17988|1,17988|2,18150|0,18150|3,18312|2,18312|1,18474|3,18474|0,18636|2,18636|1,18799|0,18799|3) - it suddenly feel a little off here compared to your previous pattern variation, i suggest to rearrange them like your previous part. ah finally someone notice this :'v i haven't idea re arranged
00:59:339 (59339|0,59339|3,59501|1,59501|2,59664|3,59664|0,59826|2,59826|1,59988|3,59988|0,60150|2,60150|1) - consider to variate them too like your my suggestion ^ // re arranged
01:30:636 (90636|3,90691|2) - it is correct but i will suggest to make them 1/4 for better playability. what do you think? maybe i'll keep, i'm afraid this get dq for this :'v ;w;
thanks cs moe
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Ilham
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683 posts
Joined August 2013
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Ilham

Critical_Star wrote:

some suggestion before qualify

NM
00:36:474 - how about add another note here? would be nice to catch the vocal here too // ok, seems good
00:46:204 (46204|1,46853|3,47015|2,47177|0) - suggestion > http://puu.sh/uYRGR/ad906fa2ef.png // yes, nice one
00:59:015 (59015|2,59177|1,59339|0,59339|3,59501|2,59664|1,59826|2,59988|3,59988|0,60150|1) - was thinking u could use mirror previous pattern variation here > http://puu.sh/uYRKx/35ad0f7f7a.png // umm in your screenshot there were (1 2 1 2) note(s) in every white tick? actually the previous one use all double.. even in EZ .w. but it kinda stacky so I rearrange instead
01:07:609 - 01:17:988 - same idea like before if u accept // like in the 1st kiai I only use on the last part, so I keep the first part
01:19:934 - suggest to add a note here, i see u did catch the sync sound here like 01:20:258 (80258|0) - // aaa there's already noted xD
01:33:393 (93393|2,93393|3) - i guess u would'nt need a double here // remove the col 4

MX
00:40:204 - till 00:40:528 - and 01:21:393 - till 01:22:042 -
does these sv are necessary? because i don't really feel what is the effect for >:(
basically it just sound the same with other in chorus part and this sv feel a little sudden
still play fine for me but it just a little odd // sorry,, removed
thank you CS 'w'
oh and one thing on MX, in the 1/6 part you mention on HD mod, I placed 1/4 in my diff accidentally xD yeah, I rearrange that part since I'm pretty sure it's 1/6 owo
Critical_Star
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Critical_Star
alrightt just last one ;)

Sya's HD
01:25:204 (85204|1,85285|3,85366|2,85447|1) - how about these part? if u want to follow the proper snap it should be 1/6
01:27:718 (87718|3,87799|2,87880|0,87880|1) - ^ since u did snap 1/6 like 01:32:420 (92420|2,92474|1,92528|0,93123|3,93177|2,93231|1) - etc so i guess it would be better to snap them right
Ilham
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syadow tell me to fix them, and fixed~
Critical_Star
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Critical_Star
alright confirmed and qualified

:)
Litharrale
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Litharrale
gratz!
Syadow-
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Syadow-
Thanks Moe >w<
gratz mastha >w<
O2i3 master = mas ilham v: wkwkw
AchsanLovers
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AchsanLovers
weee congratz :3

andaikan bisa lagi dapatin score kek gini
Ilham
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Ilham
YEAY~ CSLOVED <3

thank you <3
Arzenvald
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Arzenvald
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padahal bg nya bisa cari yg sama tapi lebih bagus :<

bg quality aside, grats!
Ilham
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Ilham

ajeemaniz wrote:

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padahal bg nya bisa cari yg sama tapi lebih bagus :<

bg quality aside, grats!
ada signature nya tu mz :<

tbh fine with the current bg o_o maybe next project
Arzenvald
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Arzenvald
bukan dq able sih cuma garis patah patah nya bikin surono menggilas :'v
Surono
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Surono
goyang patah-patah ala Anisa Bahar

Masha Allah Background qualitid intensifies, kek https://osu.ppy.sh/s/345092 map gw yg graveyred bgnya ga pecah tapi patah2 garisnya ngggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
tobat gusti.

ingat om bg menentukan ketertarikan suatu beatmap, jadi jangan disepelekan. lagu pop barat aja dikasih bg anime auto pada seneng hayo kwkwkw.
~quote of this day~


dan gratz buat mapnya ke ranked tanpa de qi!
Ilham
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Ilham
kalo bg nya hq jadi males dl om hehe
Surono
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Surono
gak lah asal ada puush buat capture sama formatnya jpg yang mau di download, as far is ayem tentrem. #menolaklupainternetindonesiaaduhcringe
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