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LeaF - Paraclete [Osu|Taiko]

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Heyo

[Serendipity]
  1. 00:06:042 (2) - This is inaudible without the addition of whistle or changing the level of the hitsound volume, and since this is the head, I suggest to make it more audible. You can also do what your difficulty Extra has done.
  2. 00:41:899 (1,2) - You could expand the spacing here instead of 00:42:042 (2,3) - as it's pretty much the same as 00:41:327 (3,4) -.
  3. 00:54:470 (10) - Somehow I feel this slider should be moved to 00:54:613 - instead. Both noise on 00:54:042 - and 00:54:613 - are practically the same, so I was thinking a slider should follow the same beat. It just felt right too to be honest.
  4. 01:05:899 (4,5) - I highly recommend you remove the circle out of the slider's end stack. Because the slider here is short, the circle covers most of it, rendering the slider's readability difficult.
  5. 01:19:470 (9,9) - After hearing the section 01:14:327 until 01:16:613 -, the whistle on the objects mentioned doesn't sound very fitting, as both sections of streams have a very similar melody, or maybe they are indifferent, so they felt out of blue.
  6. 01:21:184 (1,2,3,4) - The beats on these objects are going pitched up (if I'm not deaf), so it kind of looks weird to see the kicksliders going down. The same is true to 01:21:756 (1,2,3,4) -, where the beats sound as if they are pitched down. Basically here, the first set of kicksliders should go up, and the second set should go down. This visually look logic with the music in my opinion.
  7. 02:02:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe reduce the spacing of this stream to make the next section 02:03:470 - stand out a bit more, since you can hear the crash? Nothing pretty much is changed during the whole stream.
[Extra]
  1. 01:13:184 (1) - lol this is almost repeated as in Serendipity.
  2. 01:19:470 (9,5) - Same thing about the hitsound in the section above.
  3. 01:21:184 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Instead of repeating the same pattern twice, why not make a pattern different from the other? Both sections (01:21:184 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:21:756 (1,2,3,4) - ) do not sound the same. The first is played in a high key, and seemly to continue the scale up. The second is played lower than the first section, while it sounds that the scale is going down here. Repeating the same pattern for two different consecutive sections doesn't fit the logic to the music. As for a suggestion you can change the second pattern and keep the first pattern, and do something like this:
  4. 01:52:327 (5) - 01:52:899 (5) - I was thinking of keeping the repeat slider pattern 01:50:327 (9,10) - and 01:51:470 (9,10) -. Having two kicksliders doesn't seem quite well in this section. I would keep the kicksliders in the section 01:53:184 -, where they really emphasize the cymbal beats as they hit much close later on. Whereas 01:52:327 (5,6) - 01:52:899 (5,6) -, the sliders (6) are not doing much to the music in my opinion.
  5. 01:55:470 (1,2,3,4,5) - The jumps are big here, compared to the other similar rhythm, and it's the only pattern with this kind of rhythm that has a spacing 5.10x in-between the jumps. It's also a little less easy to play with this kind of jumps. So, I suggest you reduce the jumps at somewhere around 3.0x ~ 3.5x, based on your other patterns.
  6. 02:14:899 until 02:18:899 - Streaming a full 4 seconds of full circle in 210 BPM is pretty intense for Extra I think. Maybe you could break the stream by adding repeat sliders, as you did in the difficulty Another.
[Another]
  1. 00:50:327 (1,2,3,4,5) - You're going a bit too far with this pattern. Since this is a 1/3 rhythm for this pattern, the spacing can be a surprise, and it looks too much for 1/3 rhythms, unlike your two other hardest difficulties where the path is pretty clear. It's also hard to play from my experience. I recommend you lower the spacing.
  2. 00:54:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same thing as above, but I feel you're going overboard for this pattern, as you have jumps that goes over 3.50x.
  3. 01:21:184 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same thing as in Extra above.
  4. 01:41:756 (1) - This is not an obligation, but the slider's end is touching the HP bar :^).
  5. 01:16:613 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:17:756 (1,2,3,4,5) - and many more - I have doubts for this kind of patterns, as you put a jump for sliders with 1/4 rhythm, which was uncommon for me. Especially 01:25:756 (1,2,3,4,5) -. So I decided to search for opinions, and here's one.
[Insane]
  1. 00:20:613 (1,2,3,4) - This is also going over the top. I don't really see them as 1/4, and the flow is not that great due to the space in-between the sliders, so it was pretty hard to pass those sliders, and I think they are too hard for Insane. I guess what you can do is to bring more close, like this:
  2. 01:56:613 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:57:756 (1,2,3,4,5) - Like in Extra, but they may be too hard for Insane?
[Feb's Hyper]
  1. 00:08:042 (1,2) - Instead of recreating the same flow like 00:05:756 (1,2) -, I was thinking if you could make something else, as both section in the music have different melodies.
  2. 00:16:613 (4,5) - Maybe make the distance more big because the scale of the key of 00:17:184 (5) - is higher than 00:16:613 (4) -.
  3. 00:26:042 (3,1) - Not much of a big deal, but the tail is touching the HP bar, so you can lower their position a bit.
  4. 01:20:042 (1,2) - I can't tell if it's a 1/2 rhythm here due to the inconsistency with the spacing 01:18:899 (1,2,3,4,1) -, so I suggest you bring the distance consistent.
The spread between Normal and Hyper doesn't look safe. In Hyper there are usage of 1/4 repeat sliders, even consecutive in 1/4 rhythms, usage of 1/3 rhythms, little jumps, and some kicksliders. While in Normal there's mainly 1/1 sliders with also 1/2 rhythms. Although you can't do much with 1/4 rhythms in easier difficulties and with a high BPM music, this feels a bit like Easy. Therefore I recommend you add a difficulty in-between to balance the spread (to be safe too).

[Nwolf's Inner Oni]
  1. 00:19:827 (5) - There no piano or any kind of beat for this note, so I think don would suit better.
  2. 00:19:970 (7) - Since the piano has a higher key than 00:19:899 (6) -, how about a kat instead of don?
  3. 01:04:042 (12,13,14) - This triplet sounds really weird. I'm not sure if you intended this.
Once you have (or may not) added a difficulty, gather some mods before a recheck from me.
Feb
1 point: nah its k i think i just wanted to have the same object on that hold sound 00:05:756 (1,1) - if you look at only this one it sounds the same. just the other one has 2 objects after.
2 point: yep did sum
3 point: i don't give much about gameplay elements gggg
4 point: yep made object after slider less distance but have more distance between 01:21:613 (2,3) - still

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oh btw. i think you need to fix tags in my diff kroytz it seems like its not the same.
Nwolf

sheela wrote:

[Nwolf's Inner Oni]
  1. 00:19:827 (5) - There no piano or any kind of beat for this note, so I think don would suit better.
  2. 00:19:970 (7) - Since the piano has a higher key than 00:19:899 (6) -, how about a kat instead of don? changed both
  3. 01:04:042 (12,13,14) - This triplet sounds really weird. I'm not sure if you intended this. should've already been removed with the last .zip :c

thx

http://puu.sh/qjXub/b44dee7b6b.zip
Topic Starter
Kroytz
holy sheela wallmod ty based sheela

sheela wrote:

[Serendipity]
  1. 00:06:042 (2) - This is inaudible without the addition of whistle or changing the level of the hitsound volume, and since this is the head, I suggest to make it more audible. You can also do what your difficulty Extra has done. spacing is exact as Extra and the design is almost identical? only sound inaudible cuz of deeeez keysoundszzzzz lul. It's so early and completely not-unreadable that the similarity with hitsound and keysound -shouldnt= be a problem.
  2. 00:41:899 (1,2) - You could expand the spacing here instead of 00:42:042 (2,3) - as it's pretty much the same as 00:41:327 (3,4) -. It's the same spacing because they share the same measure.
  3. 00:54:470 (10) - Somehow I feel this slider should be moved to 00:54:613 - instead. Both noise on 00:54:042 - and 00:54:613 - are practically the same, so I was thinking a slider should follow the same beat. It just felt right too to be honest. it's rather negligible here imo
  4. 01:05:899 (4,5) - I highly recommend you remove the circle out of the slider's end stack. Because the slider here is short, the circle covers most of it, rendering the slider's readability difficult. huh, I had changed it once before but I guess I'll revert the change. doesn't seem like a big deal but I suppose so idk. overlap or stack was my idea and both are impartial to me so yeh.
  5. 01:19:470 (9,9) - After hearing the section 01:14:327 until 01:16:613 -, the whistle on the objects mentioned doesn't sound very fitting, as both sections of streams have a very similar melody, or maybe they are indifferent, so they felt out of blue. I hear louder synths here tho? without the whistles it feels awkwardly empty and too many whistles is overdoing it imo. 1/6/17 whistle felt like a decent balance to me just so that the song feels like it's still progressing rhythmically and difficulty wise.
  6. 01:21:184 (1,2,3,4) - The beats on these objects are going pitched up (if I'm not deaf), so it kind of looks weird to see the kicksliders going down. The same is true to 01:21:756 (1,2,3,4) -, where the beats sound as if they are pitched down. Basically here, the first set of kicksliders should go up, and the second set should go down. This visually look logic with the music in my opinion. If I had thought of this as I made it, I'd say it would be a good idea to follow your suggestion. I've learned since this map and have implemented that idea in later maps but rhythmically this part is split in two halves so I have two patterns of kicks sliders. and that's as close to a compromise as I'll get here without having the need to remap everything prior or later lol.
  7. 02:02:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Maybe reduce the spacing of this stream to make the next section 02:03:470 - stand out a bit more, since you can hear the crash? Nothing pretty much is changed during the whole stream. as i made this, the idea was 'this entire kiai is a stream, let it all be a stream' without much regards to splitting the kiai in half. I agree with your suggestion but instead of low ds I'd change to maybe kick sliders to increase display emphasis on the second half of the kiai but then that'd conflict with my idea of keeping it all to streams.
[Extra]
  1. 01:13:184 (1) - lol this is almost repeated as in Serendipity. I said the same to myself lol. but it's different!! xd
  2. 01:19:470 (9,5) - Same thing about the hitsound in the section above. same above
  3. 01:21:184 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Instead of repeating the same pattern twice, why not make a pattern different from the other? Both sections (01:21:184 (1,2,3,4) - and 01:21:756 (1,2,3,4) - ) do not sound the same. The first is played in a high key, and seemly to continue the scale up. The second is played lower than the first section, while it sounds that the scale is going down here. Repeating the same pattern for two different consecutive sections doesn't fit the logic to the music. tbh I think your suggestion is solid, however, doesn't make with my design really. flow-wise afterwards with your change i'd have to move later combos too much and they wouldnt work well with how my style for this. I also think that, with no offense to you, that you may be thinking a bit too much for this lol. The way I hear it is that the measure is split in half so I have two halves (two 4 circle combos) and I repeat them even though maybe it'd be a much stronger decision to follow your idea. But it's something for me to consider in future projects.
  4. 01:52:327 (5) - 01:52:899 (5) - I was thinking of keeping the repeat slider pattern 01:50:327 (9,10) - and 01:51:470 (9,10) -. Having two kicksliders doesn't seem quite well in this section. I would keep the kicksliders in the section 01:53:184 -, where they really emphasize the cymbal beats as they hit much close later on. Whereas 01:52:327 (5,6) - 01:52:899 (5,6) -, the sliders (6) are not doing much to the music in my opinion. I'll respectfully disagree with this because my idea is to INCREASE that buildup so it gradually gets more intense and builds to those kick sliders. repeat slider -> double kick slider -> four jumpy kicks is good buildup and finish. With your repeat slider idea, it might be okay too, but it doesn't give that STRONG finish I want for this section.
  5. 01:55:470 (1,2,3,4,5) - The jumps are big here, compared to the other similar rhythm, and it's the only pattern with this kind of rhythm that has a spacing 5.10x in-between the jumps. It's also a little less easy to play with this kind of jumps. So, I suggest you reduce the jumps at somewhere around 3.0x ~ 3.5x, based on your other patterns. stronger synth here than the former combo. I think it's quite fair to play when you account for slider leniency which is really why it's spaced this way. kiai time too. idk, doesn't feel problematic.
  6. 02:14:899 until 02:18:899 - Streaming a full 4 seconds of full circle in 210 BPM is pretty intense for Extra I think. Maybe you could break the stream by adding repeat sliders, as you did in the difficulty Another. this diff is really like, the original hardest diff in which case I had this idea and I think it's pretty good for hardest diff. Serendipity is like Extra Hardest diff if that makes sense lol so that it mostly composes itself for streams as the song is mostly in 1/4. This idea carries over to Serendipity, not the other way around. I like this more than using sliders mm
[Another]
  1. 00:50:327 (1,2,3,4,5) - You're going a bit too far with this pattern. Since this is a 1/3 rhythm for this pattern, the spacing can be a surprise, and it looks too much for 1/3 rhythms, unlike your two other hardest difficulties where the path is pretty clear. It's also hard to play from my experience. I recommend you lower the spacing. You're right, I changed to two repeating sliders for this.
  2. 00:54:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Same thing as above, but I feel you're going overboard for this pattern, as you have jumps that goes over 3.50x. I agree too, I also changed to repeating sliders and different pattern.
  3. 01:21:184 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Same thing as in Extra above. Well, my idea was to make as squares really lol. Just style thing I guess. If it's something I noticed about this, its that the 2nd square needed (2,3) to be ctrl-g'd so there's that improvement I guess.
  4. 01:41:756 (1) - This is not an obligation, but the slider's end is touching the HP bar :^). that's something people care too much about that im just like eh, I map to music and design. xp
  5. 01:16:613 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:17:756 (1,2,3,4,5) - and many more - I have doubts for this kind of patterns, as you put a jump for sliders with 1/4 rhythm, which was uncommon for me. Especially 01:25:756 (1,2,3,4,5) -. So I decided to search for opinions, and here's one.
TIL this is a thing. Pretty cool forum. So let me see how to answer this: First are foremost, the synth spacing reason is for conditioning. I have weaker 1/4 spacing 01:15:470 (1,2) - because well, the music felt weaker there. And the synth stands out pretty harsh in the 1/4 area which is why I space 1/4 that way in the next combo. And it repeats in future parts so that's why I imitate that ONLY for the 1/4 synth parts. It's something small and subtle that I tried to keep consistent. Once the players reads 01:25:756 (1,2) - they know the following will be 1/4 since it's been introduced once beforehand already. As to whether or not its structure is good/bad is a different taste for everyone. Lastly for this 01:56:613 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - I had long space and short space 1/4's just for a design thing since repeating similar designs would be rather boring and the rhythm is identical enough to not confuse the player to think this should play otherwise. Also, thank you to Sonny for checking this~ In regards to how it is in Insane is for similar reasons although, not to the extreme that I show in Extra (as I believe that difficulties should introduce things early and be gradually getting harder in later diffs).

[Insane]
  1. 00:20:613 (1,2,3,4) - This is also going over the top. I don't really see them as 1/4, and the flow is not that great due to the space in-between the sliders, so it was pretty hard to pass those sliders, and I think they are too hard for Insane. I guess what you can do is to bring more close, like this: Idk about "over the top". It might be a bit more difficult (just a tiny bit) but the spacing is less than how I show 1/2 spacing. I map it like this just to give a bit more movement before heading into the stream by utilizing slider-leniency.
  2. 01:56:613 (1,2,3,4,5) - 01:57:756 (1,2,3,4,5) - Like in Extra, but they may be too hard for Insane?
The spacing is pretty fair here since slider-leniency helps the player hit the sliders in 1/4. I try to condition rhythmically in this way so that future parts aren't confusing. To me, it also helps ease the idea for the future diffs.

The spread between Normal and Hyper doesn't look safe. In Hyper there are usage of 1/4 repeat sliders, even consecutive in 1/4 rhythms, usage of 1/3 rhythms, little jumps, and some kicksliders. While in Normal there's mainly 1/1 sliders with also 1/2 rhythms. Although you can't do much with 1/4 rhythms in easier difficulties and with a high BPM music, this feels a bit like Easy. Therefore I recommend you add a difficulty in-between to balance the spread (to be safe too). The only reason I'll avoid adding a diff between Normal and Hyper is because not much can be introduced to show a different gameplay element that Hyper already does on its own (such as those 1/4 repeat sliders). I would've preferred to do that in Normal (i honestly tried to make it easy yet complimentary to the music but it ended up being around 2.2-2.4 or something) but RC rule has to be below 2* and even with so much limitation on myself for normal that it'd play like an easy yet still be approaching 2* is due to density with bpm yeh. it's hard with high bpm lol but I think the two diffs are okay next to each other. The song is heavy on 1/4s and various rhythms, Hyper introduces gameplay mechanics fitting to the spread imo.

Once you have (or may not) added a difficulty, gather some mods before a recheck from me.
(sorry mostly denials but hopefully my reasonings make sense as to why I chose to do things how I did. ><)

tytyty
sheela
[Feb's Hyper]
  1. 00:54:899 (1,2,3,4) - Consider to tone down the spacing here. It's really big and it could be a big surprise to the players.
  2. 02:11:470 (1,2) - I would like to know why this pattern is like this. To be honest the overlap is not good-looking, plus you have 02:02:327 (1,2,3) - stacked when it's this kind of rhythm, so why not follow this pattern.
Looks fine now I guess. Call me back, Kroytz!
Feb
applied all of the mentioned aspects.

thanks

ddd
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I hope its working out now >:
sheela
ok ok
Rizia
[Extra]
  1. 01:29:184 (1,2) - rhythm here kinda questionable, spacing between 01:28:899 (7,1) - is almost same with previous here like 01:28:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
yes call me back
Topic Starter
Kroytz

Rizia wrote:

[Extra]
  1. 01:29:184 (1,2) - rhythm here kinda questionable, spacing between 01:28:899 (7,1) - is almost same with previous here like 01:28:042 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Fixed now.
yes call me back
sahuang
Hype!!
I was just studying this map's patterns this morning ;w;
Rizia
qualified
Kyouren
Gratzz, Krotyz and Nwolf :D
Cryptic
Congrats~
Asahina Momoko
nic1
sahuang
Gratz, another key sounding masterpiece
Skylish
Well done, Nwolf. Nice GDs!!!

Can Sheela mod Taiko? Idk really.
Haruto
oh. Congratulations Kroytz and others! :D
Reillia
gratz!
wajinshu
yay congrats!
Frostium
congrats !
pishifat

pishifat wrote:

DONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALSDONT KEYSOUND WITHOUT HITNORMALS

please

general
dont keysound without hitnormals

normal
02:14:899 (1) - it fits so well but it's so anti-lowest-difficulty-gameplay-feature-nonsense

...and most people would argue stacks under slidertails

ranking requirements are fun
really should take these into consideration :(
Little
Grats

Nice keysounds~
IamKwaN
The 1/4 kick slider at the end in Normal is beyond acceptable in the lowest difficulty. Even though it fits, it is very challenging for players to read the continuous reversed arrows. We expect something trivial and apparent as it serves as the lowest difficulty in the set. Please replace it with a long slider or a spinner or something else player-friendly.

For keysounding, imitating each piano sound is barely audible because they literally sound the same. To provide appropriate and adequate feedback to players, default hitnormals should be included.

Good luck for requalification!
Cryptic
:c
Side

IamKwaN wrote:

To provide appropriate and adequate feedback to players, default hitnormals should be included.
7ambda

IamKwaN wrote:

The 1/4 kick slider at the end in Normal is beyond acceptable in the lowest difficulty. Even though it fits, it is very challenging for players to read the continuous reversed arrows. We expect something trivial and apparent as it serves as the lowest difficulty in the set. Please replace it with a long slider or a spinner or something else player-friendly.

For keysounding, imitating each piano sound is barely audible because they literally sound the same. To provide appropriate and adequate feedback to players, default hitnormals should be included.

Good luck for requalification!
Good for CTB.
Topic Starter
Kroytz
Due to popular demand, I've made some changes to the 1/3 sections as to be less "kill".

Normal:

Removed the last two sliders.

Extra:

00:48:256 (3,4) - fixed rhythm a tiny bit.
00:48:613 (6) - removed NC
00:48:899 (1) - made as repeat slider

Serendipity -

00:49:184 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Minor map change.
00:50:327 (1) - now is two repeating sliders instead of slider to circle pattern.
00:53:470 (1,2,3) - easier to hit.
00:54:899 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - much easier to hit.

Keysounds:

Talked with Kwan.
It's viable enough to be acceptable. Normals would ruin the sounds (mind as well delete them in that case). Applying it to whistles will destroy custom-hitsound muters to hear a bunch of whistle spams. It would also hinder my regular whistle usage.
Spaghetti
i just love how u only put the top diff in the mappers desc lol
Wormi
While this is DQ'ed can I ask why these combos are 16 long but the previous ones are 8 in last diff ?
02:09:184 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
02:10:327 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) -
Topic Starter
Kroytz
The streams get NC'd for their turns and since those streams don't turn sharp like former combos, so they extend for the whole measure.
sheela
The 1/4 repeat slider at the end of Normal is now replaced with a spinner.

rebub
SrSkyPlayer
Serendipity
01:30:899 (1) - why not nc here too?
Topic Starter
Kroytz

SrSkyPlayer wrote:

Serendipity
01:30:899 (1) - why not nc here too? fuk.
Okoratu

Kroytz wrote:

Keysounds:

Talked with Kwan.
It's viable enough to be acceptable. Normals would ruin the sounds (mind as well delete them in that case). Applying it to whistles will destroy custom-hitsound muters to hear a bunch of whistle spams. It would also hinder my regular whistle usage.
you can combine both the hi-hat hitnormal and the hitnormals you have to a single sound to not change a single thing about it, though. You don't even have to spam whistles, it just seems odd after 01:14:327 - which has constant hi-hats for hitnormal feedback to then basically change to barely any hitnormal except for 01:44:542 (5,6) - and a few others in the section which sound super random as a result.
could literally take that hi-hat and throw it into your hitnormals together with the keysounds for each sampleset to have constant hitnormals providing feedback, while keeping your keysounds and avoiding people to hear whistlespam who mute hitsounds

edit: just leaving this here so whoever wants to may see for themselves before pushing this forward: http://puu.sh/qtdlC/d951af5a56.zip
mithew
the piano hitsounds play completely fine on their own, i don't see the need to add another sound to them.
Irreversible
Keyhitsounds are not completely fine on their own, it's kind of beyond me what players try to achieve with that. There is legit no feedback included and thus it's unrankable.

Something about the spread (last section) too.

I + A = four 1/4 slider
E + S = complete stream

imo you should really balance this out before this goes anywhere, along with providing more feedback to the objects.
unko
Mithew is better than you she know more
Topic Starter
Kroytz
It most definitely is not unrankable and if it was, you would've raised your voice 2 months ago when a similar keysounded map got qualified. But you and Okorin kept quiet so I don't understand why the sudden disdain. (I'll also just throw in the fact that the keyboard used for this song provides Hard keys compared to my former map which used Soft keys. Theoretically, it'd provide more feedback but that's beside the point.) In any case, as I've said to multiple users now, if a player doesn't like them then they can disable. It matters to me 0%.

What I try to achieve with the keysounds is to reflect the song back in my map. Because as a mapper - an artist if you will - I'd like to finish this project having the feeling of completion. If I could, I would find or make a SB for this but learning from past experiences, I'm better off sparing myself that trouble. If I could, I would hitsound all the other tiny sounds in the song but I'm currently unable to do that due to hitsounding limitations, so this is my next best compromise while keeping my intentions for this map.

I said to you Okorin: "It's amazing how when a map is subtly keysounded, nobody bats an eye. But when a majority of it is, people start to raise concern."

I can list many maps that utilize raw keysounds in excess or sparingly, and find people who have had 0 issues. Okay... so let's multiply that x however many sounds is needed for Paraclete and the idea is still the same. Perhaps it is because almost nobody does this and the idea of it seems both foreign and ludicrous. Maybe even as foreign or ludicrous as mapping with only horizontal sliders to Large grid. But let that be for a separate discussion.

You can enjoy (or not enjoy) however you wish to, there will be those who have a personal vendetta against keysounds and those who have a liking towards them. It matters to me not. What matters to me most is that I've completed what I set out to do to the best of my ability while following the ranking criteria as best as I could.

@Irre:

I + A = 1/4 slider.
E = Stream. Consider this the Extra that was meant to be. If Seren didn't exist, this would be fine.
Seren = Stream. Consider this as the evolved Extra, the bonus boss battle you face only after you've beaten the game. This is why this difficulty is 95% streams and is keysounded- because it's the Extra taken to the next level.
Irreversible

Kroytz wrote:

It most definitely is not unrankable and if it was, you would've raised your voice 2 months ago when a similar keysounded map got qualified. But you and Okorin kept quiet so I don't understand why the sudden disdain. (I'll also just throw in the fact that the keyboard used for this song provides Hard keys compared to my former map which used Soft keys. Theoretically, it'd provide more feedback but that's beside the point.) In any case, as I've said to multiple users now, if a player doesn't like them then they can disable. It matters to me 0%.

What I try to achieve with the keysounds is to reflect the song back in my map. Because as a mapper - an artist if you will - I'd like to finish this project having the feeling of completion. If I could, I would find or make a SB for this but learning from past experiences, I'm better off sparing myself that trouble. If I could, I would hitsound all the other tiny sounds in the song but I'm currently unable to do that due to hitsounding limitations, so this is my next best compromise while keeping my intentions for this map.

I said to you Okorin: "It's amazing how when a map is subtly keysounded, nobody bats an eye. But when a majority of it is, people start to raise concern."

I can list many maps that utilize raw keysounds in excess or sparingly, and find people who have had 0 issues. Okay... so let's multiply that x however many sounds is needed for Paraclete and the idea is still the same. Perhaps it is because almost nobody does this and the idea of it seems both foreign and ludicrous. Maybe even as foreign or ludicrous as mapping with only horizontal sliders to Large grid. But let that be for a separate discussion.

You can enjoy (or not enjoy) however you wish to, there will be those who have a personal vendetta against keysounds and those who have a liking towards them. It matters to me not. What matters to me most is that I've completed what I set out to do to the best of my ability while following the ranking criteria as best as I could.

@Irre:

I + A = 1/4 slider.
E = Stream. Consider this the Extra that was meant to be. If Seren didn't exist, this would be fine.
Seren = Stream. Consider this as the evolved Extra, the bonus boss battle you face only after you've beaten the game. This is why this difficulty is 95% streams and is keysounded- because it's the Extra taken to the next level.
It is unrankable, if there is no proper feedback provided, we really don't need to discuss that. Also, quit comparing your maps to what's already ranked, because they literally don't matter in this case.

Add feedback on your map, problem solved, no need to throw such a tantrum. You can ask many people - I have never supported keyhitsounds, because to me it appears to be a waste of time. If others want to do it, that's fine with me and I honestly don't mind it - but then with proper feedback.

If people can disable something, that's up to them but does not matter in this case as well.

About the spread, thanks for re-stating what I said, but that doesn't make the spread any better. And no, it wouldn't have been fine, and it doesn't make sense either. Another is pretty streamy, why not involving some streams too?
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I'm not trying to compare, I'm trying to provide relevance to a topic once discussed not too long ago.

The keysound itself is feedback. Maybe toning down music volume or increase effect volume and find that they are audible. Ranking Criteria within regards to audio states that it can't be silent, but this is not silent. And you think of it as a waste of time, I think otherwise. I've said to Okorin that similar to SB's (even really over the top ones), keysounding provides a player experience, albeit a much different one - if the player wishes to play alongside the music or without music where they create the song by hitting circles.

I can't say this argument will go any further considering we've reached an impasse, so perhaps I'll find more voices to speak about the subject (again).

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I can add a couple of streams in addition to the sliders for Another.
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