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Thanks Caffe for the mod, i will definitely try to work on the flow of the map more :3CaffeAmericano wrote:
From irc :32015-10-21 22:59 CaffeAmericano: 01:17:307 (1,2) - is not very good imo :3
2015-10-21 22:59 CaffeAmericano: 01:17:907 (3,4) - is better
2015-10-21 22:59 mr tribble: the spacing of it?
2015-10-21 22:59 mr tribble: too far?
2015-10-21 23:00 CaffeAmericano: no
2015-10-21 23:00 CaffeAmericano: flow
2015-10-21 23:00 mr tribble: oh
2015-10-21 23:00 mr tribble: i can fix
2015-10-21 23:00 CaffeAmericano: I'm bad with flow, but two sliders in opposite direction is always better flow than same direction
2015-10-21 23:00 CaffeAmericano: especially when far apart liek those :3
2015-10-21 23:00 CaffeAmericano: 01:18:507 (5,9) -
2015-10-21 23:01 CaffeAmericano: these two notes has ver similar sounds in music
2015-10-21 23:01 CaffeAmericano: yet, 9 is emphasized with large DS, while 5 is not
2015-10-21 23:01 CaffeAmericano: consider increasing ds at 01:18:207 (4,5) - , or decreasing ds at01:18:957 (8,9) -
2015-10-21 23:02 mr tribble: hmmm
2015-10-21 23:02 mr tribble: i see your ppint
2015-10-21 23:02 mr tribble: point
2015-10-21 23:02 CaffeAmericano: 01:24:807 (2) -
2015-10-21 23:02 CaffeAmericano: I think this could be better as slider
2015-10-21 23:03 CaffeAmericano: just because of music
2015-10-21 23:03 mr tribble: like a mini slider?
2015-10-21 23:03 mr tribble: 1/4 slider?
2015-10-21 23:03 CaffeAmericano: 1/2
2015-10-21 23:03 CaffeAmericano: just because music is very similar to 01:24:507 (1) -
2015-10-21 23:04 CaffeAmericano: Just consider it. I might be wrong lel
2015-10-21 23:04 CaffeAmericano: 01:24:507 (1) -
2015-10-21 23:04 CaffeAmericano: There's a very prominent drum beats here
2015-10-21 23:04 CaffeAmericano: I think you shouldn't leave this blank
2015-10-21 23:04 mr tribble: there is, to me, a clear sound in between 01:24:507 (1) - and 01:24:957 (3) - and to me i does not sound like it should be a slider
2015-10-21 23:05 CaffeAmericano: ye
2015-10-21 23:05 CaffeAmericano: it's good if can back it up your deciion xD
2015-10-21 23:06 CaffeAmericano: I thought you were following keyboard sound, and 01:24:507 - and 01:24:807 - seemed to have similar keyboard sound :3
2015-10-21 23:06 CaffeAmericano: but again, just an opinion XD
2015-10-21 23:06 CaffeAmericano: I guess that's it for that part :3
2015-10-21 23:07 CaffeAmericano: You asked for jump flow, but I pointed out only 1 flow issue, and other random stuff lol
2015-10-21 23:08 CaffeAmericano: any other part?
2015-10-21 23:08 mr tribble: 02:24:507 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,1,2,3) -
2015-10-21 23:08 mr tribble: yes....
2015-10-21 23:08 mr tribble: ;w;
2015-10-21 23:08 CaffeAmericano: even longer 0_O
2015-10-21 23:09 CaffeAmericano: maybe nc here: 02:25:707 (5) -
2015-10-21 23:09 CaffeAmericano: and nc here:02:28:107 (2) - instead of 02:27:807 (1) -
2015-10-21 23:10 CaffeAmericano: And I'm not sure if it's bad flow or just not my style, but I don't like these: 02:25:707 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) -
2015-10-21 23:11 CaffeAmericano: But ignore my suggestion about new combo is you follow your specific logic
2015-10-21 23:11 mr tribble: yeah, i have been thinking of changing that one
2015-10-21 23:11 CaffeAmericano: It's just that I place new combo only on big white tick xD
2015-10-21 23:11 mr tribble: but i ran out of ideas
2015-10-21 23:11 mr tribble: so i left
2015-10-21 23:11 mr tribble: it
2015-10-21 23:11 CaffeAmericano: i see :3
2015-10-21 23:12 CaffeAmericano: there's emphasis on the music here:02:35:907 (8) - but you put large ds in here: 02:36:057 (9) -
2015-10-21 23:12 mr tribble: hmmm
2015-10-21 23:13 mr tribble: i dont know how to fix that ;w;
2015-10-21 23:13 CaffeAmericano: I'd suggest that you don't worry too much about symmetry
2015-10-21 23:14 mr tribble: you noticed that huh xD
2015-10-21 23:14 CaffeAmericano: xD
2015-10-21 23:14 mr tribble: i just wanted to make good patterns ;w;
2015-10-21 23:14 CaffeAmericano: and now I realized why you placed this 01:24:507 (1,2,3) -
2015-10-21 23:14 mr tribble: i was not thinking of flow at the time
2015-10-21 23:14 CaffeAmericano: a circle instead of slider here01:24:807 (2) -
2015-10-21 23:14 mr tribble: hear it?
2015-10-21 23:14 CaffeAmericano: It sounds good. I take back what I said about changing 01:24:807 (2) - into slider lel
2015-10-21 23:15 mr tribble: OH YEAH]
2015-10-21 23:15 mr tribble: one more section
2015-10-21 23:15 mr tribble: 04:58:107 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20) -
2015-10-21 23:16 mr tribble: feel free
2015-10-21 23:16 mr tribble: and ill count it as a mod
2015-10-21 23:16 mr tribble: to just put your name down in my maps thread
2015-10-21 23:16 mr tribble: xD
2015-10-21 23:16 CaffeAmericano: oke :3
2015-10-21 23:17 CaffeAmericano: there's drum beat here: 05:03:207 - 05:03:282 -
2015-10-21 23:18 CaffeAmericano: but not here05:03:432 (4) -
2015-10-21 23:18 mr tribble: so shorten slider
2015-10-21 23:18 CaffeAmericano: Maybe you were following the vocal, but I'm sure sure if it's very fitting
2015-10-21 23:18 mr tribble: and put a circle there?
2015-10-21 23:18 mr tribble: at that point i was
2015-10-21 23:18 CaffeAmericano: That could work
2015-10-21 23:19 mr tribble: ill try that
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: oke
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: and I wasn't sure if I should bring this up, because it's not always bad
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: but I've noticed
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: a lot of sliders have direction
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: that's same sand jumping direction
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: 05:03:957 (6,1) -
2015-10-21 23:19 CaffeAmericano: 05:05:157 (2,3) -
2015-10-21 23:20 mr tribble: ?
2015-10-21 23:20 CaffeAmericano: When doing this kind of sliders, player has to slow down cursor movement, but without changing direction
2015-10-21 23:20 CaffeAmericano: it's easier to slow down cursor movement when changing direction
2015-10-21 23:20 CaffeAmericano: so it's usually better to have circle-slider jump to look like this:05:08:007 (3,4) -
2015-10-21 23:21 CaffeAmericano: instead of above two
2015-10-21 23:21 mr tribble: so, no reverse arrow?
2015-10-21 23:21 CaffeAmericano: nono
2015-10-21 23:21 mr tribble: i dont understand
2015-10-21 23:21 CaffeAmericano: this(http://puu.sh/kT6Hj/994639e282.jpg) is generally worse than
2015-10-21 23:21 mr tribble: doing a long slider?
2015-10-21 23:22 CaffeAmericano: this(http://puu.sh/kT6Ii/8df1823bae.jpg)
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: so
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: going in straight lines
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: is bad
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: is what your are saying
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: ?
2015-10-21 23:22 CaffeAmericano: in terms of movement
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: ok
2015-10-21 23:22 mr tribble: i can fix
2015-10-21 23:23 mr tribble: and i think im going to take out those reverse sliders anyways
2015-10-21 23:23 mr tribble: and make them shorter
2015-10-21 23:23 CaffeAmericano: http://puu.sh/kT6Lo/1c65fa89ea.jpg
2015-10-21 23:23 CaffeAmericano: this is also bad
2015-10-21 23:23 mr tribble: they annoy me now
2015-10-21 23:23 CaffeAmericano: is is generally better: http://puu.sh/kT6M4/eeea20d32e.jpg
2015-10-21 23:23 mr tribble: are those pictures from my map?
2015-10-21 23:23 CaffeAmericano: no
2015-10-21 23:23 CaffeAmericano: I made it as an example lel
2015-10-21 23:23 CaffeAmericano: But I'm speaking generally, they are sometimes alright
2015-10-21 23:24 CaffeAmericano: I'm not sure when though. I'm just repeating what some experience mapper pointed out on my map lel
2015-10-21 23:24 CaffeAmericano: drum beat here: 05:06:282 - not here:05:06:432 (8) -
2015-10-21 23:25 CaffeAmericano: I think that's it for this section
2015-10-21 23:26 CaffeAmericano: sorry i didn't point out too may flow issues. I don't think I'm any better than you in making flows :3
2015-10-21 23:26 mr tribble: ok
2015-10-21 23:26 mr tribble: im going to update it, and can you look at my changes
2015-10-21 23:26 mr tribble: ?
2015-10-21 23:26 CaffeAmericano: sure
2015-10-21 23:27 CaffeAmericano: could you point out the changes :3?
2015-10-21 23:27 mr tribble: uhhhh
2015-10-21 23:27 mr tribble: 01:17:307 (15,16) -
2015-10-21 23:27 mr tribble: used to be 2 sldiers of the same directin
2015-10-21 23:28 mr tribble: i will change the combo
2015-10-21 23:28 mr tribble: 01:18:207 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1) -
2015-10-21 23:28 mr tribble: ds spacing issue, i think fixed
2015-10-21 23:28 CaffeAmericano: hmm
2015-10-21 23:28 CaffeAmericano: I think you might wanna increase ds at 01:18:207 (2,3) -
2015-10-21 23:28 mr tribble: 02:25:407 (4,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - i promise i will think of a new pattern for this
2015-10-21 23:28 CaffeAmericano: because 01:18:507 (3,7) - sounds very similar
2015-10-21 23:29 CaffeAmericano: okay lol
2015-10-21 23:30 mr tribble: and ill try
2015-10-21 23:30 mr tribble: 02:35:607 (6,7,8,9,10,11) -
2015-10-21 23:30 mr tribble: still need to figure out a new pattern for this
2015-10-21 23:30 CaffeAmericano: oke
2015-10-21 23:31 mr tribble: 05:04:107 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) -
2015-10-21 23:31 mr tribble: this was that bad flow slider section
2015-10-21 23:31 mr tribble: 05:06:057 (11,12,13,14,15) - moved the beat to the drum
2015-10-21 23:31 mr tribble: and i think that was it
2015-10-21 23:31 CaffeAmericano: yeah
2015-10-21 23:32 CaffeAmericano: for 05:04:407 -
2015-10-21 23:32 mr tribble: ?
2015-10-21 23:32 CaffeAmericano: consider making like this: http://puu.sh/kT7dc/272e430882.jpg
2015-10-21 23:32 mr tribble: more ds?
2015-10-21 23:32 mr tribble: ah
2015-10-21 23:33 CaffeAmericano: if you slow the music down to 25%,
2015-10-21 23:33 CaffeAmericano: there's drum 05:04:482 -
2015-10-21 23:33 CaffeAmericano: but not 05:04:632 -
2015-10-21 23:33 mr tribble: this used to be a slider covering a beat as well 05:02:907 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2015-10-21 23:33 mr tribble: and ill fix
2015-10-21 23:33 CaffeAmericano: oke xD
2015-10-21 23:34 CaffeAmericano: I think that's it from me :3
2015-10-21 23:34 CaffeAmericano: I'll post irc on your map page
2015-10-21 23:34 CaffeAmericano: best of luck with the map xD
2015-10-21 23:34 mr tribble: thanks :3
Good luck