Deppyforce wrote:

#modreqs is best channel

1. 00:03:457 (3) - Change To 2 Notes At 00:03:457 - 00:03:783 <- Big White Tick Should Map With Something Clickable - Yeah I see what you mean but since this is the first part and this section is a bit silent and therefore not intuitive I'd rather have people hear the rhythm of this part first with sliders to make it easier to hear.
2. 00:16:827 (1,2) - This Shouldn't Stacked imo I like it
3. 00:22:044 (1) - Maybe Change To Straight Slider And Do Overlap With 00:21:310 (2,3,4,5) Interesting idea. I don't want to fully stack or have a straight slider here though so I'll do the overlap but with a bit of a different shape.
4. 00:23:674 (2) - This Is Personal Opinion, But I Think This Is Hard To Read At least For Me Haven't seen any issues so far from testplays.
5. 00:31:664 (3,4,5,6,7) - I Think This Should Be Either Curve Or Straight This plays fine also there's a lot of curved and straight sliders so a bit of variety.
6. 00:32:153 (8,9,10,1) - The Distance Between (10) And (1) Should Be Same As These Stream 00:31:664 (3,4,5,6,7) Fixed. Kind of hard to do that without the two sliders being too close x_x
7. 00:36:881 (2,3,4) - You Could Make A Better Triangle Wasn't meant to be a triangle lol but that doesn't sound too bad
8. 00:44:218 (1) - Looks Better If Its Head Should Form A Square With 00:43:403 (2,3,4,1) Also wasn't intentional but I moved some things so now it should be a square :v
9. 01:08:348 (3) - Put This Further To The Left To Not Make Spacing Confusing With (1) And (2) It was actually supposed to be a slider like 01:04:109 (1) - 01:05:088 (1) - and 01:06:066 (1) - since the pattern was to compliment what miku is saying sort of. It was a bit too high though so I did lower it but so far I haven't seen any readability issues here.
10. 01:24:327 (1,2,3,4,5) - Rotate Anticlockwise A Bit Will Look Better imo I prefer this
11. 01:28:403 (6) - Should Be Just 1 Note Here If it was 1 note the spacing would have to be way different. This plays fine and since it's a short slider it plays similar to a single note with how you tap.
12. 01:32:642 (5,6,7,8) - Confusing imo I didn't think so but I did move it around and I found a nice place to put it where it blankets with 01:32:153 (4) - and stacks under 01:33:783 (1) - so it looks so cool now
13. 02:28:240 (1,2,3,4,1) - I Think This Stream Spacing Is Too Far Away For That Part Of The Song It's actually similar to 02:23:022 (1,2,3,4,1) - (different DS cuz of the slider velocity changes
14. 03:00:033 (1,2,1,2) - Maybe Change To 1/4 Sliders Will Be Easier To Read I like this part >:v
15. 03:11:609 - Extend Blue Break Time To Here (Idk What's The Blue Thing Called) Yeah I know what you're talking about. I want the tension to end on the finish at 03:10:305 (1) - so a blue break would ruin that for me
16. 03:40:631 (2) - Ctrl + H And Move To Where It Was I prefer the slider pointing this way. I moved it a bit so it's more evenly spaced.
17. 04:01:174 (1,1,1,1) - Revise? Looks fine to me.
18. 04:12:751 (8) - Move To x119 y241 Sure
19. 04:32:968 (3,4,5,6,7) - uhh This Looks Weird LOL it's a weird stream :v
20. 05:23:348 (1) - Don't Place It Near (8) Prefer it this way. Did this in the intro too.

Good Map + Good Song Hype I Shooted A SP

Good Luck :3

shurito1sao wrote:

hey m4m
01:19:435 (1,2) - this sound/beat i hear is fast try a faster sv. I would but this part's already a bit tricky to read so I'd rather not make people hate me
01:31:011 (6) - i hear the beat on the blue tick try something like this http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3631648 Yep that's why I have these 2 sliders. It's harder to read if it was just the blue tick note instead.
the piano you followed over here 01:42:914 (4,5,6) - the jumps doesnt go with the flow of the song and the slider 01:42:588 (3,4,5,6) -
make it circles to so it will suit the song to. try it like http://puu.sh/k03rP/f360ade340.jpg
same goes for this one 02:03:457 (3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Actually for both I'm mostly following the drums. Also the 2nd part is mapped to the vocals. and for the 3rd one it's also to the drums
this slider isnt on the beat 02:46:827 - i hear more than one beat Yeah mapping to the vocals in this part.
same for this one 02:47:316 - ^
i hear here a beat to 02:47:968 - ^ Still to the vocals lol
try to put here 03:05:251 (1,2) - a fast SV cause the 2 beats i hear are kinda fast. I would do that but then people might confuse it for a 1/2 slider and since this is like a doubles pattern that's already annoying to play
evry SV put a NC 03:53:430 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Actually what changes here is the volume not the SV and if it was NC it wouldn't look too nice imo. I'll consider it if someone else also thinks the same though.
03:57:751 (3) - nc I would have to change 03:54:653 (4) - as well. I'll see if it looks good and then I'll change it.
04:38:185 (2,3,4,5,1) - this doesnt go with the flow Feels fine to me. I'll consider another pattern though if you have one.

there

Natsu wrote:

Natsu wrote:

00:01:175 - 05:39:001 - Remap lol (jk of course)

I'll address this here because it's basically the focus on the mod: hitsounds and overmapping.

I 100% agree with the hitsounds. They are not good. They need to be redone. I'll have to learn how to hitsound because I'm really bad at hitsounding even though I like modding hitsounds I hate doing it myself x_x

However regarding the Overmapping: It is and it isn't. What I wanted to emphasize in the song wasn't miku nor the piano but the rhythm of the drum and bass. If I were to map this song using only miku and the piano (the predominant instruments in the song) the map would be filled with 3/4 and 1/1 sliders with an occasional drum and bass 5s stream or something. It could be fun but overall it's just boring and defeats the purpose of me wanting to map this. Imagine mapping the chorus this way oh god who would play that...Anyway, next point.

I always see hitsounds as two things: a compliment to the song an an addition to the song. They are used as feedback for players hitting the correct notes and also as a means of "decorating" a song. I do NOT think they are to mimic a song (see skystar's dreamless wanderer). That being said I wanted my hitsounds and notes to compliment and decorate the song by adding emphasis to the drum and bass generic pattern. Of course if I were to ONLY do that it would be completely overmap and garbage because it would make no sense at all which is why I try to only do this sometimes. This is why I add in some 3's and 5's where they WOULD go following the Drum and bass pattern not just where I randomly wanted them to.

I'm not disagreeing with your point I'm sure there are some things I might have overmapped so I will definitely remove some of these instances and replace them with something else like miku or something that applies. I just want to address that there is a difference between pointless overmapping and mapping to an implied/non-dominant rhythm. Also note that from here on I'll usually refer to "overmap" as "implied rhythm".


Hi!

General:

1. Unused hitsounds:
   •normal-hitclap.wav
   •normal-hitnormal.wav
   •normal-hitwhistle.wav
   •normal-sliderslide.wav
   •normal-slidertick.wav
   •normal-sliderwhistle.wav Still considering hitsound options atm but yeh I'll remove these if I don't use them.

Diff:

1. Your current AR doesn't fit well the note density, bpm and note placemente, AR 9 is more than enough I feel that it's fine expecially considering the difficulty. AR9 for an extra just doesn't feel right lately. As for note density you did say it was overmapped that seems dense enough :v
2. 00:01:175 (1,2,3) - whistles at slider bodys sounds really bad tbh, also the tail of 00:02:968 (2) - doesn't need a whistle as well, since isn't the same in the music as the other sliders I'll definitely rehitsound (again ;_; ) since I really need to learn how to do it properly anyway. I'll change some of these similar sliders to something else but I'll still have whistles in slider tails if needed since I personally prefer these sliders every once in a while for variety. Also removed whistle from 2nd point and all similar.
3. 00:06:392 (1) - similar as above, remove whistles at slider bodys, this happen in alot of spots ^
4. 00:08:185 (2) - slider tail doesn't need whistle, since is not the same in the music like the head ^
5. 00:20:495 (1) - wrong snap, should be 1/6 Fixed. 1/12 sounded pretty close but I think it was the finish that threw me off.
6. 00:21:392 (3) - I can't listen nothing in the music here, better stick to follow the music, like:
   I see what you mean for this. I like your idea more than the 5s anyway so I'll change it
7. 00:21:881 (2) - adding claps and whistles don't cover the fact that this is overmaped, follow better the music, maybe like:
   And this is what I am referring to above. This feels amazing to play and natural and the hitsounds compliment this existing pattern more than a flat slider would especially because this makes a great transition into the first verse both audibly and in play mode. I'll keep it this way because I prefer how this feels, sounds and plays as an implied rhythm (I'll just call them that you can call it overmap lol) over the pattern suggested.
8. 00:22:533 (2,3,4) - 3 and 4 are basically overmaped again, tbh is a rhythm game, you should stick more to follow the music IMO I wanted to add this drum and bass pattern. I use the pattern you hear in the first 4 bars of the verse (16 big white ticks) when it applies so it's a recurring rhythm that I want players to both hear and play. Otherwise it would mean mapping to miku here and that just doesn't feel right to me. BUT I do agree that it's a bit unexpected so I'll change it to two 1/2 notes.
9. 00:23:838 (3,4,5,6,7) - ^ part of the implied pattern but changed slightly ^
10. 00:26:446 (3,4) - this also counts as overmap, slider tail land on nothing in the music, use single circles instead, since music its 1/2 I can see the sound being overmapped for this. Will change to 3/4 slider though. Sounds better to me.
11. 00:27:180 you are overmapping alot of 1/2, but not mapping the ones that are actually in the music like this one This was fixed with the change above.
12. 00:31:745 (4) - circle isn't following the song at all, listen careful at 50% or 25% nothing there fine >_>
13. 00:32:234 (9) - same as above This was actually a change that was suggested from several previous mods. I also like how this plays like a 3s stream into the slider.
14. 00:32:968 (2) - similar as others, music is 1/2 not 1/4 Changed since I changed the first one.
15. 00:36:881 (2,3) - ^ I prefer the pattern for this one. And I like the implied rhythm here more.
16. 00:40:223 (5) - nothing in the music k removed and changed pattern.
17. I'll stop pointing the overmaped beats and 1/4 sliders, but you should really follow the music more close, this is heavily overmapped, in the current state I don't think that this can pass to the rank section IMO. You gotta believe!! ヽ(✿ﾟ▽ﾟ)ノ
18. 00:51:718 (3) - again the spam of hitsounds at slider bodys heads and tails is really annoying, try to add them according to the music, not to cover overmap or randomly, also can be a mistake maybe? but there are alot of places where this happen I think that was either an accident or someone suggested it. Don't hate me ;A;
19. 01:13:892 (1,2,3,4,5) - there are nothing at blue ticks, just strong sounds at 1/2 rhythm, also see how u are using your claps wrongly to cover the non existent beats. This feels natural and no one has complained about this prior play-wise. I'd also rather have a 5s here since it plays well after the pattern on 01:12:914 (1,2,3,4) - And feels like a small resolution can't really explain that better than that. The claps also add to the rhythm (IMPLIED RHYTHM!!) and compliment the resolution thing I can't really explain very well. Anyway I might change it but I'd rather stream here over jump for now.
20. 01:18:783 - probably u shouldn't ignore this, feel a bit awkward to play Wholeheartedly disagree with this. You want a note cuz miku sings here but I'm mapping to the drums and there's no drum beat to tap to. This also makes this section a sightread challenge which is why you feel awkward. Cant read :^) jkjk
21. 01:56:446 (4,1,2) - this part is so confused to play and I think isn't fair to players that you on purpose didn't map an important beat in the music 01:56:609 (1) - your current way will just take rip accuracy or combos making the gameplay really stressfull >beat in the music >NOPE
    
    No beat here. Miku doesn't stop here, drums don't play anything here neither does the piano. The first drum you can actually hear is at 01:56:691 (1) - There is no actual sound right where you stated, BUT...it might be IMPLIED though. OOOOH!! This is why I want to map to a generic drum and bass even if the song's drums don't actually play it and even though it might be considered OVERMAPPED it makes the song more readable and it makes sense because the hitsounds and the notes compliment the rhythm of the song even if the instruments aren't playing just like with this point and the previous one. I'm glad you pointed these out though :v
    I'll consider less spacing because this is intentional lol but I really like the anti jump and forced sightread from this.
22. 02:07:370 (9,10,1) - this current 1/4 jump is really huge and doesn't fit the song intensity properly Really? I would argue that the build-up to the ending of an epic chorus would be justified as high song intensity. Though I can lower the spacing slightly.
23. 02:24:653 (1,1,1,1,1) - NC spam isn't needed, when you spam combos like this you just mess up the overall HP drain in the diff, also taking in consideration that you used 1/3 sliders before at 02:23:348 (1,2,3) - without spamming combos, this one doesn't make sense They were there because of the increase in spacing between each. I can remove them though I don't mind.
24. 02:25:468 (1) - there is nothing at blue tick music is 1/2, also take in consideration that you are coming back from a 1/3 section and then overmap 1/4 isn't a great idea You're right about the blue tick music. I can remove the whistle for that. I did the same thing for 02:19:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - where 3 4 and 5 are 3s notes. They play well since they're stacked. In this case this plays well because it's a 1/4 repeat slider which you hold like you would the previous part so not only does it play similarly which shouldn't mess anyone up as finger tapping doesn't change at all but it's better than a 1/2 jump after this because you just came out of a 1/3 section IMO.
25. 02:27:044 (5,6) - snapping is wrong, I'll stick to follow the 1/2 drums instead this is the same as 00:20:468 (1,2) - (which I fixed to 1/6 btw)
26. 02:28:240 (1,2,3,4) - as you know the claps just make your overmap more obviously Same as the point for 00:21:881.
27. 03:04:434 (1) - this also don't need NC to be readable ok cool
28. 03:38:022 (1,2,3) - just use a slider, using 1/3 circles at this 1/4 map its just too painful to play, even more after 3 mins of gameplay I absolutely LOVE this pattern. It plays so naturally because cursor movement is also natural here. The first 1/3 repeat slider lets you hear the miku sound before you actually have to tap to 1/3 unexpectedly so you should know what you're about to do by hearing it. It's a slight sightread challenge sure but I have yet to see anyone fail this. At worst they get a hundred on 3. It's so beautiful ;_;
29. 03:50:740 (1,1,1) - there is no reason behind the combo spam, if you need to spam combos to make the pattern readable, then maybe your pattern is wrong Actually it's to justify the spacing. I can remove them.
30. 04:25:142 (4,5,6) - same as 01:56:446 - even tho this one is worse, since the stack make clicking 5 a luck game, just map the beat that you ignored at 04:25:305 - and unstack 4 Oh yeah I forgot to space this and NC too like I did in the first one. Also same point as before there's no sound on 04:25:305 - listen to it in 75% even 50% speed the sound starts on 04:25:386 -.
31. 04:56:935 (1,2,3) - 1/4 jumps are overdone here as well Lowered spacing.
32. 05:03:783 (1,2,3,1,2) - again with the 1/3 circles, they are just to painful and surprise to play, use sliders instead This ones even easier than the first one lol. It's a read challenge and people usually hate it because it's hard but like it for the same reason Remember this is an extra
33. 05:15:196 (1,1,1) - why the combo spam? it doesn't make much sense, since the pattern is really simple Removed
34. 05:16:011 (1,1) - ^ ^
35. 05:16:664 (1,1) - ^ ^
36. 05:17:805 (1,2,1) - overdone 1/4 jumps, that doesnt fit the song properly imo Doesn't feel hard. No one I've seen has missed here but some have died to the stream before it :v

You have nice ideas with this map, but sadly the heavy overmap in all the map ruin it, in my opinion. Hitsounds need a lot of work as rhythm as well, placement its mostly fine with some 1/4 jumps exceptions, anyways I suggest you to set all the volume to 5% and listen again carefully to the song and base your rhythms on it and no using hitsounding to cover it isn't ok, anyways GL with this, really cool song. Yep I'll work on the hitsounds.

-Tochi wrote:

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  General

1. Fine

yay!

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  Sequence Break

1. 00:27:180 - Add a circle here, because there's a sound. changed in the previous mod.
2. 00:29:544 (4,5,1) - Maybe do like: http://puu.sh/k9O5m/a7b3236287.png To make it fit more. Yeh I like that
3. 00:41:283 (3,1) - Im not really sure about this.. Maybe you should make (3) more circular like: http://puu.sh/k9O9u/0376d8a581.png Yeah I can see this. Kind of similar
4. 01:05:088 (1,2) - The spacing here is too big imo. You can make it bigger. I think this is ok for now.
5. 01:12:914 (1,2) - Same as above. I think this is ok for now.
6. 01:18:783 - Add a circle here, since there's sound her. Yeah I see what you mean but I want to focus on just the drums to make this part hard because I'm evil and I love this >:v
7. 01:24:164 (6) - Ctrl+G? Doesn't flow as smoothly here.
8. 01:30:848 (5) - Same as above. The spacing from 4 would be too short. Also doesn't flow too well.
9. 02:04:924 (8) - Move it to around x:207 y:265 for better blanket. This actualy changed from the previous mod
10. 02:37:370 (3,1) - This spacing is awkward to play, please make it bigger. Plays fine because of the pattern. Haven't seen anyone having issues here. Will leave it for now but I might move this somewhere else if it's brought up again maybe.
11. 03:30:767 (4,1) - I'm not sure about this gape here, maybe you should make it a bit smaller. You get confused here 03:31:664 (5,6) - because you think it's another gape with no pause, so it might be a good idea to make the gape smaller. True it's hard to read. Changed.
12. 03:38:240 (3,1) - Inconsistent spacing here, please make it consistent. Fixed
13. 03:39:327 (2,3,1) - This is really awkward imo. You might have to do something like this: http://puu.sh/ka261/b0239b420b.png To fix it. I'll consider it. So far everyone plays this part well but yours looks similar. I'll change it to your idea if its suggested again.

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  Nice map! Good luck!

Mazzerin wrote:

[*] 00:23:838 (3) - could look better if nodes were like this https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3752097 Good idea. Adjusted spacing on 5 since the jump was a bit too large after the change.
[*] 00:37:370 (1) - remove nc here and move it here 00:37:696 (2) - ? Had swapped the notes around and forgot to swap NCs
[*] 00:41:609 (1) - align with follow point for epic awesomeness https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3752100 (additionally move 00:42:261 (4) - to x284 y229 so the follow point between 00:42:098 (3,4) - is also aligned) Interesting. I like this change lol.
[*] 00:41:935 (2,3) - weird that these are individual circles when 00:41:935 (2) - is stronger/hitsounded and 00:42:261 (4) - are both really strong notes but theyre a slider I agree with 1 being stronger but it's a slider mostly because of 00:41:283 (3) - being a 3/4 slider and the spacing to 1 is high to emphasize the note so it's a slider for visibility. As for 4, I agree it could be a note but there is no finish here playing in the song like on the two previous white tick notes so I didn't think it was as strong as the other notes. I'll consider changing it to two notes if I find a good pattern but for now I think it's okay.
[*] 00:44:707 (3) - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3752107 something like this would look better so it doesn't overlap with 00:45:196 (4,5) - ? and move 00:44:544 (2) - I could but the flow from 2 to 3 feels pretty awkward. It's a short jump that goes upward so it lose all the momentum from 2 to 3 which doesn't really compliment the song. I still moved this around because the overlap didn't look good.
[*] 01:28:892 (2,3) - why is this baby spacing Lol it's from before the remap and didn't notice. Moved it to blanket by 01:28:566 (1) -
[*] 01:31:664 (2) - move that right grey node a bit up so the lower left angle looks better Fixed I hope lol I'm bad at these wavy sliders :v
[*] 02:21:174 (2,3) - i guess you could nc all these to emphasize the 1/3 slowdown, some people do that and i kinda like it (like here 04:01:174 (1,1,1) - ) Yeh good point.
[*] 02:25:957 (1) - huh why do you skip the 1/3 rhythm here? would be preferable to focus it again or just change the older one to this placement Oh it was supposed to be 1/3 I think it resnapped when I moved it on 1/4. Fixed.
[*] 02:27:424 - could add a 1/8 slider here or something since there's obviously sounds but a weird stop in the map I'll stretch 02:27:261 (2) - for now. I might change this because I want to follow the 1/6 with this pattern but it feels a bit weird atm. I'll look at alternatives in the meantime.
[*] 02:32:642 (1) - 1/3s here definitely are stronger than the drums or whatever you mapped it to Sounds more like 1/6 to me here but I agree.
[*] 02:37:859 (2,3) - 02:38:348 (1) - could use some cool high sv 1/4 sliders here for the wubby sounds For sure hehe nice
[*] 02:42:098 (2) - add a note on top of this slider on the blue tick? Oh yeah I can hear that on that little instrument playing there. Didn't notice.
[*] 02:49:109 (1) - i would convert this to a 1/4 slider and have the rest as a triple just like your hitsounds suggest by what notes are stronger/should be clickable Yea good point.
[*] 02:55:957 (1,2) - these sliders look better when both curves are equal or close to equal, now they're very disproportionate, adjust the notes so they're blanketed again though Removed the 2nd gray node to keep the blanket effect and spacing similar.
[*] 03:31:664 (5,6) - 03:32:316 (7,1) - 03:33:131 (1,2,3) - this baby spacing shouldn't really be here in the "cool" section of the song now, should it? LOL baby spacing indeed. Fixed slightly but didn't wanna overdo it. If it's still too easy I can still increase it.
[*] 03:35:984 - vocal note skipped? since you focus so much on vocals here i would just add one to make a triple I'll try a 1/4 slider for now but yeah that's true the emphasis is on the vocals here.
[*] 03:36:392 (3) - maybe change this to a 1/2 slider till red tick at least since there's an extension in vocals I feel the extension is actually up to the blue tick so I'll change it to a 3/4 slider instead.
[*] 03:39:571 (3,1) - weird spacing what, that's 1/4 and 03:39:653 (1,2,3) - are 1/2 but spaced the same I always thought this played fine but I don't mind changing it. Moved 1 closer to the previous combo but increased spacing on this combo to 2.0 instead of 1.7
[*] 03:43:158 (3,4,1) - this is weird too, 1/2 spacing is so small into the 1/4 double I actually wanted to add a note on 03:43:077 - So players can tap a double pattern here but forgot to respace so added a note and fixed spacing.
[*] 03:49:272 (2) - no 1/8 beat here, it's actually on 03:49:395 -
[*] 03:49:924 (4) - ^
[*] 05:15:359 (2,4) - and these too
[*] 03:50:577 (4) - ^ (this one has 1/6 3 vocal notes though)
[*] 05:16:664 (4) - ^ Fixed all the above
[*] 03:56:120 - that note skip here isn't really cool, i'm not sure if following the vocals with that slider is very wise (especially since you follow the sounds a second later normally) Yeah I noticed that after I fixed the hitsounds. Changed to follow finishes better.
[*] 04:02:153 (2) - rather finish this 1 1/4 earlier and add a circle instead cause that triple is pretty strong I wanted to keep that sound at the blue tick so I like this change.
[*] 04:25:305 - just add a note here to make a triple, or move that thing further away cause now the spacing is so low even though there's 3/4 distance between Yeah I don't mind this now that I fixed the hitsounding.
[*] 04:41:609 (1) - this kinda touches the hp bar i guess Didn't look like it to me.
[*] 04:42:098 (2) - do you like this shape, because it looks slightly weird, try https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3752137 I wanted a wavy effect but yours looks nicer
[*] 04:46:256 (1,2) - not sure if you want this overlap there, i would move it somewhere completely away to the bottom I liked the anti-jump ;_; but it looks cool down there too
[*] 04:59:870 (1) - come on this slider looks like a cock l-lewd
[*] 05:02:805 (1,2,3,4) - this would look better if you copy pasted at least two of the sliders and ctrl+g'd the 2nd ones, or like made consistent changes on each one (e.g. +25 degree turn every next slider) I kinda did something similar but I did ctrl h ctrl j then rotated. Had to do that so that 4 could point towards 5. Also I had it so that each jump from 1-4 wincreased by .5 which is pretty cool this way I think. I'll keep it like this for now.

14:42 Side: quieres probar un mapa remapeado? :v
14:43 Atsuro: ok!
14:43 *Side is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/712278 Camellia - Controlled dive]
14:43 Atsuro: pasalo
14:43 Side: Suenas entusiasmado por oir que es remapeado >_>
14:43 Atsuro: jaja
14:50 Atsuro: nice :p
14:50 Side: gracias :D
14:50 Atsuro: hay algunos repeat sliders que se sentirian mejor como triples
14:51 Atsuro: yyyy pues, el resto se veia bien
14:52 Side: nice B^)
14:52 Atsuro: 01:29:055 (3) - triple D:
14:53 Atsuro: le agregan mas complejidad al ritmo haciendolo mas entretenido para un mapa de 5.5 estrellas
14:54 Side: si no tengo inconveniente cambiar unos repeats a triples.  La mayoria solo los puse para que no me dijeran que era overmap :P
14:55 Atsuro: 01:53:022 (3,4) - ctrl+g?
14:55 Side: va
14:56 Atsuro: 02:18:131 (1,2,3) - estos los podrias separar mas para indicar mejor que el ritmo cambia
14:59 Side: regresé
14:59 Atsuro: 02:25:957 (1,1,1) - podrias hacer que el spacing aquí vaya mas de acuerdo con el ritmo, es algo confuso ahorita
14:59 Side: los tenía mas separadas antes pero pensé que con mas espacio se sentian como 1/4 no 1/3 
15:00 Atsuro: mmm, o separa más los otros, es solo para que sea más fácil de predecir el cambio de ritmo
15:02 Side: voy a separarlos mas aver como se ve
15:03 Side: a y el cambio de 2:25 fue por un mod de mazerin
15:03 Side: pero creo que puedo ponerle mas space al de 1/3
15:03 Atsuro: a mi me confundió :b
15:04 Atsuro: 03:56:609 (3) - finish al principio?
15:05 Atsuro: 04:27:098 (6,1) - esta trancision se siente forzada
15:05 Side: a se me olvido :v
15:06 Atsuro: creo que fluiria mejor con el slider viendo para el otro lado, ctrl+h
15:08 Side: rip
15:28 Atsuro: se me fué la luz D:
15:28 Side: pense que te secuestraron :o
15:29 Atsuro: kek
15:29 Side: o te sacaron de la compu:P
15:29 Atsuro: nah, se fué la luz y luego mi windows decidió instalar actualizaciones :p
15:30 Side: jaja
15:30 Side: justo a tiempo :v
15:30 Side: bueno hice los cambios no se si guardaste el log para darte kds
15:33 Atsuro: si me vas a dar kudos seguiré con el mod ahorita
15:33 Atsuro: :v
15:33 Atsuro: no terminé de revisar bien el mapa
15:33 Side: ok
15:37 Atsuro: 00:20:468 (1,2) - esto me suena raro, está desfazado
15:39 Side: yo pensé que empezaba en 00:20:495 - 
15:39 Atsuro: pienso igual
15:40 Atsuro: a 1/16 http://puu.sh/kv6zV/1f87e66b3e.jpg
15:42 Side: ok
15:42 Atsuro: 00:58:403 (4,5,1) - podrias stackear esto con el final de 00:57:751 (2) -  y rotarlo un poco para que dirija hacia el circculo siguiente, en mi opinion fluye mejor
15:44 Side: [http://puu.sh/kv6Uk/df8e6230b2.jpg jeje]
15:45 Side: #NextLevelBlanket :v
15:47 Atsuro: 01:29:870 (1) - esto fluiria mejor circcularmente, algo así http://puu.sh/kv76f/5e054fb982.jpg
15:49 Side: cambiado
15:50 Atsuro: 02:57:751 (2,3) - Siento que el cursor se queda mucho tiempo sin moverse aquí
15:51 Side: 3 queda bien sobre 02:58:566 (1) - '
15:52 Side: y creo que voy a cambiar 2 a un triple
15:54 Atsuro: que tal http://puu.sh/kv7Aa/b7d005bce3.jpg ?
15:54 Atsuro: cambiaria un tanto el patrón pero fué lo unico que encontré :v
15:55 Side: o que tal http://puu.sh/kv7Es/da837831d8.jpg
15:56 Atsuro: igual funciona
15:57 Atsuro: 03:26:609 (4) - Creo que tendría mas sentido con respecto a la canción que estuviera stackeado con el principio de 03:26:772 (5) -
15:57 Atsuro: o al menos mas cerca que del slider 3
15:58 Atsuro: por el tono mas alto de la cosa esa
15:59 Side: creo que voy a hacer lo que hice en 03:25:794 (1,2,3) - con el triangulo http://puu.sh/kv7U7/b2ce81be2b.jpg
15:59 Atsuro: 03:27:261 (6) - lo mismo con este, solo un detalle
15:59 Atsuro: okok
16:01 Atsuro: 03:50:740 (1,2,3) - porqué estos no son sliders 1/4 con repeat? D: quedarían bien
16:02 Atsuro: 04:06:881 (2,3) - me gusta ctrl+g aquí
16:02 Side: y dejarlos donce stan?
16:02 Side: donde*
16:02 Side: osea 1/4 pero ahi mismo
16:03 Atsuro: si quieres, los puedes acercar un poco pero lo dejo a tu juicio
16:05 Atsuro: 04:27:261 (1) - ya habia mencionado este slider?
16:05 Atsuro: no me acuerdo :p
16:05 Atsuro: pero el flujo se siente forzado por si no
16:06 Side: si ya lo habia cambiado
16:06 Side: creo que lo habia actualizado
16:06 Atsuro: entonces no lo actualicé yo
16:06 Side: :v
16:07 Atsuro: 04:46:011 (2,1,2,3) - algo dificil de seguir, vas con lo de "back and forth" y luego paras de la nada para el triple
16:08 Atsuro: aquí quedaría bien el triple http://puu.sh/kv8uv/2165cb9283.jpg
16:09 Side: cada mod me dice que no le gusta el triple pero creo que no les gusta el back and forth :P
16:10 Side: me gusta el anti jump ahi ya no he intentado mover y todavia dicen que no les gusta :(
16:10 Atsuro: a mi me gusta :v
16:10 Side: lo he intentado *
16:11 Atsuro: solo no me gusta como interrumpe el movimiento de forma repentina sin que en la canción haya algo que lo soperte
16:11 Atsuro: soporte*
16:12 Atsuro: eso sería todo
16:12 Side: es que como miku dice "connection" ahi  decidí usar un patron de conneccion jajaja :P
16:12 Side: conexion :P
16:13 Atsuro: dice conection? ah la pronunciacion japonesa del ingles lol
16:13 Side: xD
16:13 Atsuro: conecution
16:14 Side: mientras lo dejo asi :v

Smoothie World wrote:

[General]

Unused hitsounds. Delete the following:
normal-sliderslide.wav
normal-slidertick.wav
normal-hitclap.wav
normal-sliderwhistle.wav
normal-hitnormal.wav
normal-hitwhistle.wav
I had deleted those hitsounds yesterday
Disable Widescreen Support, as there are no storyboard elements. Disabled

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00:02:968 - I feel this rhythm fits much better, as it doesn't have a slider end on the downbeat: http://i.imgur.com/QdMWfho.png (Kind of like this rhythm as well: 00:08:185 (3,4,5) ) I thought about that but then it'd be the same pattern throughout this section. Also even if I changed to the other pattern the 2nd longer slider would still have a whistle on the slider end so it's kind of the same. Also wanted a bit of variety here. I wil change two of these though (one at the intro and one at the outro) so I have two and two of each pattern on both sections.

00:05:577 (7,1) - These should be spaced further, as it begins a new set of 4 measures. I feel an anti-jump is highly ineffective here, and a normal jump would be much more optimal. Likewise:
00:11:120 (9,1) - ^
00:16:011 (7,1) - ^
05:22:533 (7,1) - ^
05:28:077 (9,1) - ^ I feel the opposite for this section. It's not too hard to read I feel and at worst you'd probably retry once. I find the anti-jump helps players to pay more attention to reading instead and I also think jumps would make it less intuitive since these are white and red tick notes and most people expect jumps to be 1/2 or 1/1.

00:20:495 (1,2) - I don't really like this here, as it leaves some kick sounds unmapped around 00:20:658 and such. Consider changing your choice of rhythm here to something that suits the song better and is less awkward to play. This section really bugs me. At first it was mapped to the drums but that felt less natural because the piano thing was so dominant but I don't think it's 1/6 or even 1/12 for that matter. I'm open to suggestions if you have any but the sound I hear from the drum is a 1/6 repeat 2 times and that feels harder to play imo.

00:24:327 (4,5,1) - Your jump should be between 4 and 5, not between 5 and 1, as the downbeat can be better emphasized this way. So this was actually changed a few mods ago (I think yesterday morning) actually :v Similarly:
00:55:631 (4,5,1) - Between 5 and 1 should be larger than 4 and 5 was also changed recently
02:41:283 (5,6,1) - Between 6 and 1 should be larger than 5 and 6 Changed somewhat. At least for 6 and 1 to be larger.

00:40:305 (1,3) - Not a huge fan of how these two are positioned very clumped with one another. Consider using a different location for 3 or at least make them fit well together. Well the overlap isn't noticeable in game but I did move 3 up slightly. Still kinda overlaps but I like the circular flow it gives so I kinda want it to be similar.

00:43:892 (3,4) - You have large spacing here, but at 00:45:359 (5,1) it feels very underwhelming to have such a tiny jump. Moved to slider end of 00:46:011 (2) - Looks nicer :v

00:57:261 (1,2) - This looks very sloppy. You can just mirror these but instead you chose to have two similar but not unique or identical slider shapes, which gives it a sloppy appearance, and they don't quite fit well together. Yeah I think you have an older version lol I had also changed it somewhat recently. Still not mirrored exactly but it's much cleaner than the previous update.

01:02:968 (4,5) - This jump is too big of a sudden difficulty spike with zero buildup. Flip 5 to go the other way and that should do the trick. I don't think so because then the flow from 5 to 1 becomes super awkward since your cursor is going downward now but the stream is back up there and going to the left. Really uncomfortable. Also I made it so in this section of every verse the jumps are higher than normal. I moved some of the jump notes around slightly so the jump is a bit more natural (slightly lower spacing but still above x3)

01:55:142 (3,4) - This break in the flow is too harsh. 3 needs to lead better into 4 here, otherwise it just plays too sharp and feels like a sudden jerk in movement. Reshaped 3.

02:18:131 (1,2,3) - Two 1/3 repeat sliders would be a much better and readable way to introduce the 1/3 rhythm here. Changed. Not sure on this pattern so I'll probably change this up with future mods.

02:48:946 - Unmapped 1/8 sound here. I'd recommend a repeat 1/8 slider here. I'll have to play around with that later. Every possibility I went through to map the 1/8 made it really unconfortable because it's a 2 repeat 1/8 slider so it has to be right next to the 1/4 slider which looks kinda bad. This part was mostly mapped to the vocals although I could see why the 1/8 should be mapped but I don't really see an easy way to do it atm.

02:58:240 (6,7,1) - Flow feels too linear here. Consider having a break of flow on the downbeat. Likewise: Was also changed in a previous mod.
04:17:805 (4,5,1) - ^ Changed

03:07:370 (7,1) - This feels like a jerk in movement as well. This should play much smoother than it does in my opinion. Consider giving this less of a jerky flow. Not sure if this was also a recent change or not but it doesn't feel jerky to me.

04:02:805 (2,3,1) - Equal triangle here, please. >_> k even though it was a diamond

05:06:718 (2) - I hear no 1/8 sound here, only a snare. I would just put a circle here instead, or a kick slider, up to you, but certainly not a 1/8 repeat slider. Changed to 1/4 slider.

Almie wrote:

Hi, my mod for M4M. Sorry about being so late, I'm always slow with these.

00:11:120 (9,1) - Maybe increase distance between these for better DS? It reads pretty well. The DS is consistent at .27x here.
00:32:316 (8) - This looks a bit odd, try placing it somewhere else Maybe in the editor but not really in game. I think I'll still reposition it to 00:32:968 (2) - slider end to increase jump distance from 8 to 1.
00:38:185 (3) - Ctrl+G? makes for better flow in cursor movement Not necessarily. I wanted this to be a sharper jump to emphasize the vocals here. Also with Ctrl G the jump to 4 flows very poorly.
00:55:631 (4) - Would be better somewhere else as a jump or something imo Maybe but then I would have to add a jump from 5 to 1 and I like the little stack I have with 00:54:490 (4) - 00:54:979 (2) - 00:55:794 (5) -
01:11:609 (1) - imperfect blanket Adjusted end node slightly. Wasn't meant to be a full blanket though.
01:24:164 (6) - Why not rotate it the same way as the previous ones? Looks nicer aestethically It does but then the flow into the 5s stream is very poor since the 1/4 slider shoots you up instead of towards the stream. However I do think it should look nice aesthetically so I'll rotate it somewhat.
01:38:674 (4,5) - suggestion: switch positions of these circles, makes it a bit more interesting imo I played around with this but if I were to do it then there would have to be a noticeable distance increase between 5 and 1. So in this case I'd rather leave them stacked.
02:06:392 (1,3) - These should be further apart imo, would look nicer and also make for more interesting jumps Moved slightly to the right. Made a nice chemistry with the other notes :v
02:19:435 (1) - unsnapped? could end on the red tick and it syncs to the song better It's snapped to 1/3
02:20:740 (1,1) - Also unsnapped. Try ending the slider on the white tick and putting the circle on the red one. Also 1/3
02:41:120 (4,5) - switch position? I prefer it this way for now. I did fix something else around here though.
02:48:620 (4) - end on white tick to sync with the drums? I had to change something else here but I'm ok with this slider for now.
02:51:718 (7,8) - switch position? I prefer this flow. The other one doesn flow as well since it's a short snap straight to the right and then a sharp one up not a strong beat. If anything I'd consider 7 going down also to flow downward as the slider implies but I like this slight flow break.
03:22:859 (2,3) - there is a long note in the music here, a slider instead would work better imo I could see that. But I also noticed I missed a pattern opportunity so I made a different change. The 1/2 slider would be too short and I don't really want to increase SV in this section.
03:20:740 - 03:52:044 - I really like how you mapped this section, how the difficulty rises with the tension in the song, gj Thanks!
04:26:772 (4,5) - switch position? Well the problem if I did that is that the jump from 3 to 4 would be way too large and more importantly it would be a random jump that isn't emphasized by a big beat like 04:26:935 (5) - has with the clap.
04:35:495 (3,4) - I would rotate this in the opposite direction of the previous slider and move it down slightly, kind of like this:
Interesting but then the flow from 4 into the 1/8 slider would be very unintuitive. I tried playing around with moving 04:35:740 (1) - and 04:35:903 (2) - around but then that becomes a fast 1/4 snap which is much harder lol.
04:37:533 (7,1) - you could blanket the 7 here Moved a few notes around which improved the blanket lol
04:45:196 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - if you rotate this whole thing 180 degrees (selection centre) then there is a jump to the following triple which makes it kinda cooler imo I prefer the anti jump into the triple but more importantly the flow from the slider into the back and forth does not feel good and it's too intense.
04:53:348 (1,2) - Ctrl+G this? Doesn't seem to be better to me.
05:04:109 (1,2) - i don't like how this combo overlaps the previous one, try moving it elsewhere I like this ;_; It's also the same 1.3 snap on a 1/3 section which is already pretty hard :v
05:08:348 (5,6,7) - whenever I see this kind of thing, I wish the circle was in the middle of the 2 sliders, not on top of the 2nd one, like this:
These kinda triole jumps are pretty common in high difficulties. I also did it because I really wanted it for 05:08:919 (1,2) - so if I changed that as you suggested I'd have to do it for this too which doesnt look nice.
05:28:566 (1,2) - same thing as in the beginning, increase distance from previous combo to make it more clear Nah I like this little anti jump still :v Also this is all consistent .3x spacing.

Overall nicely mapped, most of the things I didn't like were related to positioning, which is why I often suggest switching position of circles or Ctrl+G haha. Good luck with your map! Thanks!

ohyeahitsjustme wrote:

hi!
#m4m

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1. 00:22:533 (2,3) - not sure about the blanket here. it doesnt look perfect [url]this[/url] looks better, i guess. Missing link ;_; Edit: oh ok yeah it looks nice but I still prefer this way.

2. 00:23:674 (2,3) - again blanket. this case will look much better. Minor. Cleaned up slightly though.

3. 00:24:327 (4) - same with ^. but im not sure at all about this blanket. Looks fine to me :/

4. 00:24:653 (1,2) - idk why, but these sliders dont look consistent with a map. curves sliders like here look better, as for me. I agree with the curve sliders but I'll try something a bit different :v

5. 00:31:827 (4,1) - dont sure about the imposition of these two notes, it looks slovenly maybe. im not sure. Cleaned up the triple a bit more. Tried to center it sort of :v

6. 00:31:174 (1) - if u will make a nicer blanket with this 00:31:664 (3) - note, it will look better as for me. xmpl (bad xmpl though) I prefer the sharp slider and it kinda blankets :v

7. 00:36:229 (4,3,4) - not sure, but i think u need to stack these 3 notes. but as u wish. :O that did look sloppy. Cleaned up this combo.

8. 00:48:620 (2) - this slider looks ugly, also i want to say that

in case that u are mapping on vocal, it will be nice idea to give sliders strange-beautiful forms. (like u did here -04:42:098 (2)). the map will look much better. Yeah I'm not that good at slider shapes :v But I changed it to a wavy slider.

9. 00:51:229 (2) - same ^. though, blanket with 00:50:740 (1) - looks bad. Moved and cleaned up somewhat.

10. 01:00:359 (3,4) - fix here a blanket a bit. i mean this Minor lol

11. 01:15:522 (1,2) - as i mentioned before in №4, these sliders look kinda out of this map. i suggest u same as before, change it on curves Changed.

12. 01:18:457 (3,1) - not sure about the imposition here, i guess its better to stack these 2 notes. This is kind of an anti jump. If this was stacked it would read more like a 1/2 so I wanted to unstack on purpose.

13. 01:29:218 (5,6,7,8) - dont like this jump. if u will replace 6 and 8 and than 8 with 7, it will look better (and more interesting, i guess). like here Changed slightly somewhat similar though.

14. 01:32:153 (3,2) - make a blanket between these 2 notes like here Did something similar.

15. 01:43:566 (8) - i think this note should be snapped with 01:43:892 (2) - for a better look. True. Also changed a few parts slightly.

16. 01:48:131 (1) - this slider looks kinda out of this map, caz all ur sliders before are curve and this is polyline Yeah I made it nicer I hope :v

17. 01:53:674 (3) - stack this with the end of 01:54:653 (1) - this I would but right now it's perfectly between 01:53:185 (4,1) - which I think is nicer :3

18. 02:39:490 (2,3) - make a better blanket here Sure.

19. 02:44:218 (1) - like, how u did a stack here with this 02:43:403 (3). it looks very cool! Thanks! :3

20. 02:44:707 (2,4) - not sure about these 2 sliders. this will look much better (also bad xmpl) Lol didn't like that but I did something else :v

21. 02:53:674 (3) - this slider again looks alone and weird. maybe at least u will make it parallel to this 02:54:001 (4)? Didn't look so nice parallel but I did snap the end to 02:51:881 (8) -

22. 03:27:588 (1,2,3,4) - in this stream 03:27:751 (3) - looks better. anyway, i dont like the flow at all. u should do smth with slider and and a stream better (my opinion) I like it this way because it kinda goes up and down with the glitchy part from how miku sings here.

23. 03:44:055 - i know, that u are mapping most on vocal, but still i think that u need a note here Don't feel a note should go there since there's no sound there.

24. 03:44:218 (1) - dont like this slider, because it doesnt make a flow. this will look better Maybe but I kinda like this sharp one here. It also kinda blankets with the end of 03:43:403 (1) - :v

25. 03:54:653 (4) - i guess here u need a long slider instead of 1 note. strange xmpl xD from 03:54:653 - to 03:55:631 I can see that but instead I think I should have a higher distance jump like I did on 03:57:588 (2,3) - and also I think 03:54:653 (4) - should be near the next notes so I changed that.

26. 04:01:174 (1,1,1) - not sure about NC`s here, but as u wish Was a suggestion in a few mods.

27. 04:04:680 (4,1) - here stream looks bad, so u need to move the 4th circle a little bit left like here Nah. Each 4 notes there is a .05x spacing increase so right here it is 1.65x and the next one is 1.7x (except it doesn't say that because of the SV change )

28. 04:06:229 (7,1) - blanket here Tried but it's too short. It's kinda close though.

29. 04:25:223 - if u are mapping on a vocal, u need to put a note here (or not? check, i think its needed) It's to both the vocals and drums but the last vocal note is here 04:25:142 (4) -

30. 04:59:544 (1) - dont think that here should be a NC Woops

31. 05:03:892 (2,1) - its really hard to read, so stack it better I've gotten a few comments about this part so I'll just rework it slightly.

32. 05:37:207 (1) - i think that this spinner should end here 05:37:941 and 05:38:022 - here u need to put anoter spinner, that will end 05:39:001 - here. Was a suggestion from a mod to start it here. Didn't like how that felt. First spinner would be too short.

nice map! gl! Thanks!