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another good reason
o.o
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I thought it was okay since it were sliderticks and not misuse of sliderslides orz.
Call ne back for bubble if you want, also poor broccoly
Call ne back for bubble if you want, also poor broccoly
Topic Starter
Changed 3 diffs to tickrate 1,Desperate-kun wrote:
###0
After internal discussion, we decided to disqualify this map for the following reasons:
Bad use of slidertick hitsounds in Hard / Insane / Extra.
The Slidertick hitsounds used here are confusing to play. They sound exactly like hitsounds that have been used on circles or sliders, but the player can't expect them as there is no clickable note or a slidertail. Slidertick hitsounds should give different feedback to the player than regular hitsounds, for example by being much less loud or having a different, more calm hitsound, to prevent confusion.
If you want to have the specific kick hitsound on every white tick, it is adviced to map to those beats with circles / sliderheads / slidertails. Easies and Normals are an exception, because they don't have high enough density to achieve this most of the time, but in Hard or above it is required.
As an alternative, if you don't want to follow the instrument, don't hitsound it. Hitsounds should always fit to the rhythm, so if specific instruments are followed by the rhythm, the hitsounding should fit to the same instruments.
Examples:
[Regraz's Hard]
00:34:263 -
00:36:900 -
01:16:461 -
and more
[Sharlo's Insane]
00:23:714 -
00:28:988 -
00:43:823 - These ones are particularly confusing, as there is an extended slider instead of an 1/2-slider, but the hitsound at the white tick gives much more feedback than the hitsound at the blue tick afterwards.
01:48:109 -
and more
[Starlight]
00:23:054 (1,2) -
00:28:988 -
00:34:263 -
00:36:900 -
00:44:812 -
00:47:450 -
00:52:230 -
and more
01:16:296 (2) - Here the kick drums can be heard at the red ticks 01:16:296 and 01:16:626 so the Slidertick hitsounds aren't even needed
01:21:571 (2) - Same, there are more examples for this issue
In this difficulty, the hitsounding is a more fundamental problem. The rhythm follows the vocals with 1/1-sliders pretty consistently in all sections, which causes many white ticks to be ignored. Yet you decided to follow the instruments that can just be heard on white ticks with your hitsounding.
If you are following the vocals, why not follow them with hitsounding too? It is simple by using regular soft whistles and finishes, for example, placing them on strong vocals (mainly where your 1/1 sliders start) and the hitsound would have much higher quality to it.
Sorry for the late disqualify and the inconveniences it might cause to you. Good luck!
Edit:Readded .wav files because they are necessary in easy
Poor Broocoly
o.o
fine
Rebubbled
Rebubbled
fine
Requalified
Requalified
fine
let me play this
let me play this
sigh
Sorry but the hitsounds change is not acceptable for any pp recovery.Broccoly wrote:
sigh
Sorry but I'm afraid that the timing is quite late from around 02:28:329 (1) -
especially in the part after 03:07:889 (1) -
the offbeat timing really gives a poor feedback to players in the interlude part after I've tested quite a few times
not sure if anybody else feels the same
also to mention, in my opinion 03:15:142 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - in Starlight diff should actually be snapped on 1/4 instead,
03:15:472 (4,5,6) - on 1/4 at least , because the beats at 03:15:252 (2,3) - are real iffy.
of course this affects other diffs as well
I hope we could have the answer soon.
especially in the part after 03:07:889 (1) -
the offbeat timing really gives a poor feedback to players in the interlude part after I've tested quite a few times
not sure if anybody else feels the same
also to mention, in my opinion 03:15:142 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - in Starlight diff should actually be snapped on 1/4 instead,
03:15:472 (4,5,6) - on 1/4 at least , because the beats at 03:15:252 (2,3) - are real iffy.
of course this affects other diffs as well
I hope we could have the answer soon.
Topic Starter
Nothing to say.
@appleeaterx:You don't need to do that....really, it's not your fault.
@appleeaterx:You don't need to do that....really, it's not your fault.
[Timing]
估摸着是那啥lfj乱搞mp3的锅
02:23:045 - Add red line，BPM182：
[1/4 or 1/3]
03:14:473 - 03:15:792 - : 1/4+1/3+1/3+1/3.
Only the first 1/3 kick slider is off the track. But I think it's OK since it's a slider.
Change is unnecessary, although the offset might need fix (call lfj, his guo.)
估摸着是那啥lfj乱搞mp3的锅
02:23:045 - Add red line，BPM182：
143045,329.67032967033,4,1,1,85,1,003:26:327 - Add red line，BPM182：
206327,329.67032967033,4,1,1,85,1,002:22:725 (4,5) - change into a slider as transition
[1/4 or 1/3]
03:14:473 - 03:15:792 - : 1/4+1/3+1/3+1/3.
Only the first 1/3 kick slider is off the track. But I think it's OK since it's a slider.
Change is unnecessary, although the offset might need fix (call lfj, his guo.)
*yo my bn life*
mp3 was provided by pishifat, as far as I know there were no timing shifts but i will look into that
那个啥timing其实我已经跟teichan说过了
不过想起多年前fycho跟我说的话我就没说改
edit: 晚上我来测个timing吧 最后那个spin前面的红线其实也错了
不过想起多年前fycho跟我说的话我就没说改
edit: 晚上我来测个timing吧 最后那个spin前面的红线其实也错了
Hello, your map has to be taken away from the Qualified section by the QAT due to the following issues:- there are some quality issues in difficulties, please take stuffs listed below as examples.
[Easy]
- 01:06:900 –unnecessary break, which is inconsistent with 02:20:417 –
- 04:01:955 –There is no reason to make breaks during KIAI time, because the song is till going.
- OD and HP are kinda low.
- There are holes all over in the hitsounding, like 01:16:296 (2) - 01:24:373 (2,3) -etc
- 00:48:109 (1,2) –This kind of blanket is off, and unpolished.
- 00:50:087 (2) –shape of slider feels a bit unnecessary and random, 00:51:406 (2) –too. Same for 00:56:681 (2,2) -, etc.
- 03:00:637 (3) - Hitsounds are messed up here. Using the default clap doesn’t work well, please try custom one.
- 03:18:604 (1,2,3,1) – This pattern is so messy.
- 03:26:351 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) –wrongly used hitsounds, 2,4claps fits more
- 03:31:626 (1,2,3,4) -– Why do you suddenly no use hitsounds? The hitsounds are unfinished at all.
- 03:34:428 (2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) –why do you don’t use hitsounds for the climax?
- 04:00:637 –misplaced breaktime, because the music is still going, no meaning to leave a break.
- Gap between Normal and the difficulty is a bit large, not a big deal but I personally recommend you reduce the SV to less than 1.55 and re-place the difficulty.
- Some extended sliders feels poorly used, like:
01:26:351 (1) –why not keep a consistent rhythm with 01:15:801 (1) -;
01:47:944 (3) –the 3/4 feels a bit random, 00:44:648 (2) –;
etc - 02:32:779 (4) –miss whistle on head
- 02:35:582 (3) –The rhythm can be improved, actually the sliderhead lands on nothing, try http://puu.sh/i5Cbp/9e8534ba34.jpg
- 01:39:538 –Unnecessary extended break time. 01:35:582 -这里是measure的起始点，把break开头设置在第四小节开头没有意义，所以这里就顺其自然不要滥用。02:50:746 – 一样。
- 01:59:318 (1) - This repeat arrow is rather covered and could use some open air.
###M
Edit: we discussed the timing, current timing is acceptable. I apology for forgettig to mention it.
明知在qualified里的图未必能活着进rank成绩随时都可能被抹掉为何要抱着侥幸心理？想安安稳稳成绩不消失就忍到正式rank再打Floating Cloud wrote:
我的天哪当官的！Sharlo那难度我已经第二次被注销SS了好吗？老百姓打个图很惊魂很难的你们造吗？
oops...Why sadly these issues were not mentioned in the first DQ? ;w;
sigh, anyway...
sigh, anyway...
Would be nice to separate the objective concerns from subjective ones. (DQ reasons: | Additional Modding:) Also, no comment about the timing?
其实读了一遍我也不知道这是怎么un的
不过听了一下Normal的hitsound实在是有点……orz
不过听了一下Normal的hitsound实在是有点……orz
Topic Starter
What do you think of timing?
I don't want to see this map get third dq due to wrong timing.
@Floating Cloud:都是我的锅，怪我就行了
I don't want to see this map get third dq due to wrong timing.
@Floating Cloud:都是我的锅，怪我就行了
還是圍觀好了
find this a bit weird, so timing is fine after all?
also kinda strange that like 0 of the things fycho mentioned were in the first dq post...
oh well, it can happen
also kinda strange that like 0 of the things fycho mentioned were in the first dq post...
oh well, it can happen
about the kiai time, mapper should make the kiai time consistent in their own diffs.
poke me later
poke me later
Fycho wrote:
SPOILER[AIR's Normal]
- OD and HP are kinda low.
- There are holes all over in the hitsounding, like 01:16:296 (2) - 01:24:373 (2,3) -etc
- 00:48:109 (1,2) –This kind of blanket is off, and unpolished.
- 00:50:087 (2) –shape of slider feels a bit unnecessary and random, 00:51:406 (2) –too. Same for 00:56:681 (2,2) -, etc.
- 03:00:637 (3) - Hitsounds are messed up here. Using the default clap doesn’t work well, please try custom one.
- 03:18:604 (1,2,3,1) – This pattern is so messy.
- 03:26:351 (1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3) –wrongly used hitsounds, 2,4claps fits more
- 03:31:626 (1,2,3,4) -– Why do you suddenly no use hitsounds? The hitsounds are unfinished at all.
- 03:34:428 (2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) –why do you don’t use hitsounds for the climax?
SPOILER
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Tags:Mahoutsukai no Type-Moon Utakata Hanabi やなぎな�?yanaginagi ryo Sharlo Regraz AIR examination
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376,363,190197,1,4,0:3:0:0:
376,363,190362,1,0,0:0:0:0:
376,363,190527,6,0,P|436:370|502:330,1,130,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
476,275,191021,2,0,L|492:122,1,130,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
503,81,191516,2,0,P|472:55|399:100,1,130,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
384,154,192010,6,0,P|350:184|279:138,1,130,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
255,90,192505,2,0,P|196:61|134:107,1,130,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
256,192,193164,12,0,194483,0:0:0:0:
63,335,195801,6,0,L|203:327,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
234,277,196296,1,0,0:0:0:0:
234,277,196461,2,0,L|230:198,1,65,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
213,149,196790,1,8,0:0:0:0:
265,30,197120,6,0,L|419:24,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
460,24,197615,1,0,0:0:0:0:
460,24,197779,2,0,P|495:70|495:104,1,65,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
469,135,198109,2,0,P|459:177|468:209,1,65,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
491,256,198439,5,2,0:0:0:0:
491,256,198604,2,0,L|356:241,1,130,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
298,228,199098,2,0,P|308:304|283:381,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
230,363,199593,6,0,L|89:362,1,130
35,358,200087,1,8,0:0:0:0:
95,242,200417,1,0,0:0:0:0:
95,242,200582,2,0,P|111:174|81:103,1,130,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
46,72,201076,6,0,L|184:61,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
231,96,201571,1,0,0:0:0:0:
231,96,201736,2,0,P|280:119|305:114,1,65,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
343,82,202065,1,8,0:0:0:0:
455,15,202395,6,0,L|486:154,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
492,211,202889,1,0,0:0:0:0:
492,211,203054,2,0,P|438:211|416:220,1,65,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,254,203384,1,8,0:0:0:0:
300,359,203714,5,2,0:0:0:0:
300,359,203878,2,0,L|283:213,1,130,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
336,190,204373,2,0,L|188:190,1,130,8|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
180,249,204867,6,0,L|199:108,1,130,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
204,55,205362,1,2,0:0:0:0:
80,94,205692,1,8,0:0:0:0:
88,223,206021,1,2,0:0:0:0:
14,330,206351,6,0,P|65:333|149:303,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
192,271,206845,1,0,0:0:0:0:
192,271,207010,2,0,P|223:298|320:295,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
425,358,207670,6,0,L|417:224,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
365,189,208164,2,0,L|501:178,2,130,0|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
390,128,208988,6,0,P|405:87|350:20,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
295,39,209483,1,0,0:0:0:0:
295,39,209648,2,0,L|161:40,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
35,28,210307,6,0,P|3:76|31:144,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
74,182,210801,2,0,P|106:233|61:308,1,130,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
38,341,211296,1,8,0:0:0:0:
167,333,211626,6,0,L|299:326,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
358,211,212285,2,0,L|367:358,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
492,309,212944,2,0,P|503:255|452:201,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
350,126,213604,2,0,L|496:115,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
383,28,214263,5,4,0:0:0:0:
383,28,214428,2,0,B|337:49|337:49|253:51,1,130,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
196,72,214922,2,0,P|136:51|72:82,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
11,188,215582,6,0,L|20:334,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
138,368,216241,2,0,L|286:359,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
377,249,216900,6,0,P|379:310|396:343,1,77.999997619629,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
452,284,217230,2,0,L|508:217,1,77.999997619629,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
433,186,217560,2,0,P|397:168|343:175,2,77.999997619629,8|0|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
500,146,218054,1,0,0:0:0:0:
500,146,218219,6,0,L|510:54,1,77.999997619629,4|2,0:2|0:0,0:0:0:0:
430,55,218549,2,0,P|379:70|344:64,1,77.999997619629,10|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
281,41,218878,2,0,P|243:28|199:41,1,77.999997619629,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
134,67,219208,1,0,0:0:0:0:
90,322,224812,6,0,L|84:236,1,77.999997619629,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
31,187,225472,2,0,L|39:102,1,77.999997619629,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
102,64,226131,6,0,L|195:55,1,77.999997619629,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
249,90,226790,2,0,L|332:98,1,77.999997619629,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
398,65,227450,6,0,L|484:61,1,77.999997619629,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
497,94,227944,1,0,0:0:0:0:
497,94,228109,2,0,L|506:181,1,77.999997619629,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
479,272,228768,5,8,0:0:0:0:
479,272,228933,2,0,L|352:259,1,104,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
325,278,229428,1,8,0:0:0:0:
325,278,229593,2,0,L|321:165,1,104,8|0,0:0|3:0,0:0:0:0:
314,109,230087,6,0,P|248:92|183:132,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
148,163,230582,1,0,0:0:0:0:
148,163,230746,2,0,L|135:23,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
24,101,231406,6,0,P|5:153|28:239,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
56,277,231900,2,0,L|195:268,1,130,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
241,234,232395,2,0,P|260:266|288:288,1,65,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
346,281,232725,6,0,P|387:268|485:298,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
505,341,233219,1,0,0:0:0:0:
505,341,233384,2,0,L|513:197,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
505,81,234043,6,0,P|466:97|373:66,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
335,32,234538,2,0,P|288:20|218:71,1,130,2|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
199,121,235032,1,8,0:0:0:0:
106,28,235362,6,0,L|105:172,1,130,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
103,223,235856,1,2,0:0:0:0:
103,223,236021,2,0,P|68:249|92:331,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
205,281,236681,6,0,L|352:282,1,130,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,231,237175,2,0,P|412:211|502:243,2,130,2|0|0,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
376,165,237999,6,0,L|377:31,1,130,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
272,113,238659,2,0,P|215:130|135:102,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
40,39,239318,6,0,P|6:118|58:302,1,260,4|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
300,310,240637,6,0,L|154:307,1,130,4|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
122,263,241131,1,0,0:0:0:0:
122,263,241296,2,0,P|136:220|116:129,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
223,57,241955,6,0,L|377:57,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
418,57,242450,1,0,0:0:0:0:
418,57,242615,2,0,P|396:107|434:194,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
497,277,243274,6,0,P|461:264|382:304,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
342,352,243768,1,0,0:0:0:0:
342,352,243933,2,0,P|304:315|224:309,1,130,2|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
167,325,244428,1,0,0:0:0:0:
167,325,244593,6,0,P|101:297|35:324,1,130,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
20,254,245087,1,8,0:0:0:0:
20,254,245252,2,0,L|10:168,1,65,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
5,124,245582,1,8,0:0:0:0:
107,166,245911,6,0,P|156:175|240:147,1,130,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
285,116,246487,1,0,0:0:0:0:
285,116,246680,2,0,P|320:139|412:126,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
496,213,247449,6,0,L|487:354,1,130,2|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
426,320,248057,1,0,0:0:0:0:
426,320,248259,2,0,P|359:304|297:318,1,130,8|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
199,346,249070,6,0,L|211:201,1,130,8|8,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
223,152,249820,1,8,0:0:0:0:
223,152,250070,6,0,L|130:155,2,65,8|8|8,0:0|0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
288,149,250873,1,8,0:0:0:0:
288,149,251141,6,0,P|332:165|490:38,1,260,0|0,0:0|0:0,0:0:0:0:
370,42,252893,5,0,0:0:0:0:
246,82,253607,5,0,0:0:0:0:
372,309,255035,5,4,0:0:0:0:
256,192,255214,12,0,264321,0:0:0:0:
all fixed，音效复制最高难度
About Breaktime: Though I dont think it should even be a acceptable reason, so as to keep consistent with other diffs, it is ok to fix. Since I have less and less access to my pc, please help me fix these! Thank you teichan.
About SV, I think it is not a reasonable or tenable suggestion. So no fix for this.
Thank you for mod.
About SV, I think it is not a reasonable or tenable suggestion. So no fix for this.
Thank you for mod.
Topic Starter
All fixed.
And add some missing whistles in Starlight diff.
And add some missing whistles in Starlight diff.
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Topic Starter
一圈打包AIR
hope this is the last o.o
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Fixed a few things over IRC in Normal and Hard diff.
Hope it'll be safe this time. Requalified!
Hope it'll be safe this time. Requalified!