nbs4 wrote:

is this thread ok for noobs to post in

Yes of course

This thread is for improvement and learning right? And I personally don't think the "pros" have much to learn from other players so you could say that this is only for noobs

jesus1412 wrote:

It can be very tiring and hurtful for your arm in the beginning if you are not used to it. But don't worry, it will stop after a few days.

I'm not quite sure about this "few days" comment.
I've been playing everyday for around 3 months now and I get forearm aches everyday during play/after play.
It's normally okay again in the morning though.

nbs4 wrote:

is this thread ok for noobs to post in

Let's be real, most of us are noobs.

I have problems with increasing the rate at which I tap.
Any tips on how to click faster with one finger?

NanozZ wrote:

I have problems with increasing the rate at which I tap.
Any tips on how to click faster with one finger?

practice makes perfect!. usually the problem is not how you can increase the rate at which you tap, but the level of control that you have over the speed that you tap.

try this map https://osu.ppy.sh/s/96661 insane mode. don't think " i must tap as fast as i can just because its a stream". try thinking "ok this is the beat of the song and i have to tap as close to the beat as possible". keep trying. eventually you will get the hang of it.

to increase my tapping stamina i play stream maps like o'er the flood, unpleasant sonata, and hatsune miku mythologia's end.

I think anyone would start to miss every note trying to go as fast as possible at 143 bpm.

Kheldragar wrote:

I think anyone would start to miss every note trying to go as fast as possible at 143 bpm.

true dat. lol.

siingle tapping 150 bpm streams require lots of control in your fingers. thats why wubwoofwolf can HD + HR scarlet rose. both his fingers are in full control as if they have a brain of their own xD

After playing frequently for 1 year, I still can't stream long streams. Even if they're 180 BPM. After some time one of my fingers just stop moving and I keep getting misses, I often can't follow a long stream with my cursor for too long either.
Any way to prevent that from happening?

How long is long? Even I fail 167 bpm after ~400 notes.

I seriously thought it was just gonna be "just practice" thread but this gave some serious advice. Thank you!

Kheldragar wrote:

How long is long? Even I fail 167 bpm after ~400 notes.

I consider long streams as anything that has more than 10 notes...

I'm going to play standard and when I play the grip on my mouse feels off and I can't do squares that well any tips?

Chris9427 wrote:

Kheldragar wrote:

How long is long? Even I fail 167 bpm after ~400 notes.

I consider long streams as anything that has more than 10 notes...

Have you tried tensing your elbow/arm? Somehow that makes me faster for brief periods of time.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/130500?m=0 near the end has a 50ish note long stream.

Kheldragar wrote:

Have you tried tensing your elbow/arm? Somehow that makes me faster for brief periods of time.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/130500?m=0 near the end has a 50ish note long stream.

Oh god this map.
And yeah, my arms are pretty tensed up as soon as I'm doing something that requires me to push my limits. And I'm already at my limits at 190 BPM and/or long streams.
My singletapping isn't that fast either, but I'm getting there.

Chris9427 wrote:

Kheldragar wrote:

Have you tried tensing your elbow/arm? Somehow that makes me faster for brief periods of time.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/130500?m=0 near the end has a 50ish note long stream.

Oh god this map.
And yeah, my arms are pretty tensed up as soon as I'm doing something that requires me to push my limits. And I'm already at my limits at 190 BPM and/or long streams.
My singletapping isn't that fast either, but I'm getting there.

My singletapping was slow as shit too. Then I suddenly found out I could get through the opening of scarlet rose and spammed that like 30 times (I got 3/4 in as my record). Also Cocaine.

Now it's a lot better so uhhh....

e: Also 180 bpm square jump practice map and he has no mittens helped too.

Kheldragar wrote:

My singletapping was slow as shit too. Then I suddenly found out I could get through the opening of scarlet rose and spammed that like 30 times (I got 3/4 in as my record). Also Cocaine.

Now it's a lot better so uhhh....

e: Also 180 bpm square jump practice map and he has no mittens helped too.

Thanks for the advice.
As a side note, yesterday I tested my streaming speed with that hitspeed.exe thing. With my laptop keyboard (Which I used to play osu! for the whole last year) I got to ~11 hits per second, which is roughly 170 bpm. And then I tested it with brown switches (I just got them last week), and my streaming speed almost doubled. 17 - 19 hits per second, which is ~270 bpm. tested with 100 and 200 hits.
Although, when I'm playing osu, I can't even remotely reach those speeds.

I use that Osustreamspeed.jar one because the other stream speed gave me shit like 300-380 bpm when I switched my keyboard layout to the arrow keys.

At 50 notes:

Tryhard stream: 210 bpm
Comfy stream: 180 bpm
Tryhard singletap: 120 bpm
Comfy singletap: 100 bpm

But I have no control over my fingers anyway. The deathstream comp is always a juggle between too fast and too slow; I can't hold a consistant speed. Then I get tired and fail 167.

Hello,

These days, I'm what I call a casual-hardcore player for most games. I don't really spend as much time on games as I used to, but the time I do spend, I like to spend it efficiently and I like improving.

That said, I started playing osu! a few years ago, but haven't played much really. I'm almost a purely mouse player with a 15 year old Intellimouse, but I use the keyboard for fast streams. I feel like I've hit a wall in improvement, so I figured I'd look for some advice from better players I don't really care about rank, and I'm not really 100% certain the rank goes up/down. I just enjoy the game and would like to be able to get better scores/pass more difficult songs.

Some of my biggest issues right now are:

-My wrist/hand gets a little tired in the middle of some songs depending on length/difficulty. It affects my accuracy a lot towards the middle-end of songs and I'll drop from 93-95% down to 90-92 which sucks. I don't know if there's any advice to be given for this, but I guess it'll get better if I played more.

-Streams. I'm so bad at streams. Slower speeds are no problem, but when they get faster, or there's a lot of groups of streams, or a mix of streams with regular sliders, my timing goes out the window. A lot of songs I would be able to score an A on if I could just get even half of the streams timed for 300. i.e. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/185443&m=0 on Insane, I can usually manage 94-95% through about 2/3rds of the song with 5-10 misses, but at the instrumental part after the 2nd chorus with the streams, my score plummets and I can't get back into the A range. Makes me sad

-Consistency. I don't know why, but I'm really inconsistent, even on easy 4-4.5 star maps. Sometimes I'll get close to a full combo on a song, and another time just barely get 93%. I don't know if this is a problem with not playing that much, but it doesn't seem to improve even when I play for a while.

-Songs where the hits aren't on a...steady beat? When there are a lot of changes in the speed or if the hits are offbeat a lot, my timing is also very bad. I'm not great at paying attention to when the big circle is closing in on the hits, but even when I try to, it doesn't work out all that well. If I play the song repeatedly and practice, it gets better slowly, but it doesn't feel like an effective way of going about it.

My "peak" mouse accuracy is okayish. The consistency thing is an issue, but when I'm playing well, it feels like my accuracy is relatively good for how much time I've put in. But in regards to mouse accuracy, it feels like the songs that I'm able to handle are fairly easy, ignoring timing accuracy, and songs that I'm not able to play are too difficult, so I'm not sure what to do to improve on this further. Songs on the faster end are pretty difficult for me. i.e. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/321521&m=0 on Rejection I can get close to passing with like 80-85% occasionally but it's a bit too fast for me.

Any help is appreciated

wut101 wrote:

Hello,

These days, I'm what I call a casual-hardcore player for most games. I don't really spend as much time on games as I used to, but the time I do spend, I like to spend it efficiently and I like improving.

That said, I started playing osu! a few years ago, but haven't played much really. I'm almost a purely mouse player with a 15 year old Intellimouse, but I use the keyboard for fast streams. I feel like I've hit a wall in improvement, so I figured I'd look for some advice from better players I don't really care about rank, and I'm not really 100% certain the rank goes up/down. I just enjoy the game and would like to be able to get better scores/pass more difficult songs.

Some of my biggest issues right now are:

-My wrist/hand gets a little tired in the middle of some songs depending on length/difficulty. It affects my accuracy a lot towards the middle-end of songs and I'll drop from 93-95% down to 90-92 which sucks. I don't know if there's any advice to be given for this, but I guess it'll get better if I played more.

-Streams. I'm so bad at streams. Slower speeds are no problem, but when they get faster, or there's a lot of groups of streams, or a mix of streams with regular sliders, my timing goes out the window. A lot of songs I would be able to score an A on if I could just get even half of the streams timed for 300. i.e. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/185443&m=0 on Insane, I can usually manage 94-95% through about 2/3rds of the song with 5-10 misses, but at the instrumental part after the 2nd chorus with the streams, my score plummets and I can't get back into the A range. Makes me sad

-Consistency. I don't know why, but I'm really inconsistent, even on easy 4-4.5 star maps. Sometimes I'll get close to a full combo on a song, and another time just barely get 93%. I don't know if this is a problem with not playing that much, but it doesn't seem to improve even when I play for a while.

-Songs where the hits aren't on a...steady beat? When there are a lot of changes in the speed or if the hits are offbeat a lot, my timing is also very bad. I'm not great at paying attention to when the big circle is closing in on the hits, but even when I try to, it doesn't work out all that well. If I play the song repeatedly and practice, it gets better slowly, but it doesn't feel like an effective way of going about it.

My "peak" mouse accuracy is okayish. The consistency thing is an issue, but when I'm playing well, it feels like my accuracy is relatively good for how much time I've put in. But in regards to mouse accuracy, it feels like the songs that I'm able to handle are fairly easy, ignoring timing accuracy, and songs that I'm not able to play are too difficult, so I'm not sure what to do to improve on this further. Songs on the faster end are pretty difficult for me. i.e. https://osu.ppy.sh/b/321521&m=0 on Rejection I can get close to passing with like 80-85% occasionally but it's a bit too fast for me.

Any help is appreciated

I may be a tablet player, but i can also play osu with the mouse. with the mouse i can play up to 4.5 star maps :3.

1. if your wrist is getting tired easily, you could be overworking your hand and should rest for a day or two. also try finding a mouse that fits you, be it a small mouse or a large one that fits your whole palm. Try out different mouse grips. the one I use is a fingertip grip where i only use my fingertips to move the mouse about.

2. ah streams. used to be my worst enemy, now its my pride n joy. streaming is tough. yes you need consistency in tapping to the beat, but it all comes down to the root of the problem. STAMINA. To improve at Osu!, one must build his/her tapping stamina.
I increased my stamina by playing hatsune miku- mythologia's end with the no fail mod.https://osu.ppy.sh/s/48979
The first few times i played it, my hand started to stop halfway and just couldn't keep up with the beat. But retry after retry, i finally did it. After gaining my stamina, I attacked the next problem. tapping to the right BPM. a lot of us tap to the approach circle of the song. I forced myself to tap to the beat by playing with hidden. To help with the listening of the beat, I change the volume settings by setting the music volume at 30% and the effects volume at 70%. This makes your clicks when hitting the circles louder while making the music softer. You can even try out some skins that might give a really nice click sound that might help your tapping consistency further.

3. don't worry about your consistency. Its all in the mind whether you think you are improving or not. Just play for the fun of it ^^.

4. what i do is listen to the song a few times before i actually play the map, this gives me a gist of the beat. when playing a map for the first time, don't just click ESC and hit the retry button just because you didn't get that FC that would rank you up. play through the entire thing. you could also exit the map right before finishing it to prevent that horrible score from saving into your ranking system

5. keep trying. play songs you barely pass and improve on that! usually to improve at Osu! means to improve at pattern recognition such as squares and repeating sliders that end with a super long stream. keep playing maps and you will get used to the common patterns such as circles that stack in 3.

hope this will help you xD

Pen grip is my obstacle. I can never get comfortable.

Ash Marley wrote:

Pen grip is my obstacle. I can never get comfortable.

me too Q_Q. finding a good pen grip is very tough. especially when using a large active area. cuz it eventually slips out of my hand from all the sweat

Damn. I should look at the forums sometime. This really helped! c:

(I play mouse keyboard.)

For the longest time I used some jerky motions to make the hardest jumps. They were still aimed and I had some success, but the problem was that those motions changed my wrist orientation in a way that wasn't always reversible (often downwards, with the mouse stuck against the bottom of my palm), and often I would get to this part were I couldn't aim at a certain angle any more. and angle. When it was only large jumps I would just use my forearm, but switching was hard.

Last few days I switched to a more snappy style with recoverable movements which doesn't suffer that much from my wrist getting stuck in a awkward position.

Two things mess me up though:

Slider followed with a single on the end of the slider
AND
Bunch of singles, but with some consecutive singles stacked.
Oh also sliders which are slow but you have to jump fast between. I keep getting tempted to sling my wrist a bit for that, not so good.

How do you handle your mouse for these things?

-Chronopolis- wrote:

How do you handle your mouse for these things?

Lower dpi, zero wrist usage for up/down movement using arm/fingers (wrist for some vertical movement) to move mouse.

Various stacks of singles, you just have to find the things they correspond to in the song and tap. It's easier to singletap mixed stacks of whatever imo. Alternating takes more concentration.

-Chronopolis- wrote:

(I play mouse keyboard.)

For the longest time I used some jerky motions to make the hardest jumps. They were still aimed and I had some success, but the problem was that those motions changed my wrist orientation in a way that wasn't always reversible (often downwards, with the mouse stuck against the bottom of my palm), and often I would get to this part were I couldn't aim at a certain angle any more. and angle. When it was only large jumps I would just use my forearm, but switching was hard.

Last few days I switched to a more snappy style with recoverable movements which doesn't suffer that much from my wrist getting stuck in a awkward position.

Two things mess me up though:

Slider followed with a single on the end of the slider
AND
Bunch of singles, but with some consecutive singles stacked.
Oh also sliders which are slow but you have to jump fast between. I keep getting tempted to sling my wrist a bit for that, not so good.

How do you handle your mouse for these things?

It sounds like you're not reading it properly. Perhaps switch to a skin that doesn't have slider ends?

Hi guys, I started playing about 6 months ago and I feel like I've been improving steadily until the last two months or so. I can pass ~5 star maps with 95%ish accuracy but I can't FC them because I always miss some notes.

I feel somewhat frustrated because I feel like I'm not improving anymore, it doesn't matter how many times I try I always end up failing some random circles.

Do you guys think I should keep practicing those maps I feel comfortable with until I can FC them easily and then move on to something harder, or just start trying stuff I can barely pass (like 80% acc)? I'm afraid I can end up having some bad habits if I do the latter.

Thank y'all, have a nice day~

Keep playing those maps until you DO fc them; I very rarely get a one play fc. A lot of the times it's those one miss or slider break, but at the other end of the tunnel is 130+pp

e: actually at 30k you should try 4.3-4.7. You can gain a lot that way.

The thing is I dont really care about ranking and PP, my main motivation is just self-improvement, that feeling that you get when you play a map that used to be hard and now feels like a piece of cake (also to be able to play more difficult maps b/c they are more fun imo).

Thats why I want to know your opinion about whether or not spamming >5.5 star maps to raise my skill ceiling is a wise idea.

Ranking just kinda comes naturally, I guess.

turn back now, FCing is an incredibly useful skill to have.

maybe 1000 of the 1700 A's I have are 1x misses. you dont want to become this, its not a good time.

agubelu wrote:

The thing is I dont really care about ranking and PP, my main motivation is just self-improvement, that feeling that you get when you play a map that used to be hard and now feels like a piece of cake (also to be able to play more difficult maps b/c they are more fun imo).

Thats why I want to know your opinion about whether or not spamming >5.5 star maps to raise my skill ceiling is a wise idea.

Ranking just kinda comes naturally, I guess.

Spamming songs for fc just above your level raises your skill level, not spamming image material and airman 500 times a day.

for singletaps i don't have space to move my arm up and down since the table is too big what do i do

Hmm interesting thoughts. I really just read up on Jumps and Single Taps andd skimmed through Squares.
I can't really agree with jumps because I think it's a lot more about being comfortable at your current sensitivity.
For instance, I have my sensitivity on my mouse at 6000dpi which is something I need to actually function using a PC now. Used to be 5500 when I still played osu! with a mouse.
I've tried changing my sensitivity a lot when it comes to osu! but I found that once you think you found something you think works, it's going to take a long time to get used to it again. For me I switched from 3500dpi to 5000 to 5500. I tried going back down but once I did I found it crippling cause I couldn't play decently on a lower sensitivity and my "muscle memory" I guess couldn't go back to a higher sensitivity unless if given at least a month. Also if I remember correctly I had osu! set to about a 1.3x sensitivity too.
I basically got it to a point where I would only have to move my wrist and fingers (wrist for left and right, fingers for up and down) within a very small field but I liked it, maybe other people who are used to higher sensitivities will too??

Too be honest, I think getting a tablet would help out a lot of people just cause it's a more natural position to hold a pen then a mouse (for most people at least) and I found it to help with accuracy a lot. Went from around 94% to 98% now.
With this I also have my sensitivity bumped up, again so I only have to use my wrist. I guess I just find there to be more control because of what you're pivoting is closer to the pen. Would also depend on how much control you have over your forearm muscles.. That or maybe I just really like higher sensitivities.. I really don't know but hey, at least I'm trying to add on ;D

kutora wrote:

Hmm interesting thoughts. I really just read up on Jumps and Single Taps andd skimmed through Squares.
I can't really agree with jumps because I think it's a lot more about being comfortable at your current sensitivity.
For instance, I have my sensitivity on my mouse at 6000dpi which is something I need to actually function using a PC now. Used to be 5500 when I still played osu! with a mouse.
I've tried changing my sensitivity a lot when it comes to osu! but I found that once you think you found something you think works, it's going to take a long time to get used to it again. For me I switched from 3500dpi to 5000 to 5500. I tried going back down but once I did I found it crippling cause I couldn't play decently on a lower sensitivity and my "muscle memory" I guess couldn't go back to a higher sensitivity unless if given at least a month. Also if I remember correctly I had osu! set to about a 1.3x sensitivity too.
I basically got it to a point where I would only have to move my wrist and fingers (wrist for left and right, fingers for up and down) within a very small field but I liked it, maybe other people who are used to higher sensitivities will too??

It doesn't take a month to adjust your sensitivity. If you just change your sensitivity a small amount at a time and get used to it through gameplay/general use, it shouldn't take too long. Also, jumping is more about reading than your actually ability to aim your cursor. Most misses you get is through poor reading.

kutora wrote:

Too be honest, I think getting a tablet would help out a lot of people just cause it's a more natural position to hold a pen then a mouse (for most people at least) and I found it to help with accuracy a lot. Went from around 94% to 98% now.
With this I also have my sensitivity bumped up, again so I only have to use my wrist. I guess I just find there to be more control because of what you're pivoting is closer to the pen. Would also depend on how much control you have over your forearm muscles.. That or maybe I just really like higher sensitivities.. I really don't know but hey, at least I'm trying to add on ;D

If you have a good mouse, then they are around the same (except I find tablet pulls ahead on long songs that don't have many breaks).

dinopwn wrote:

for singletaps i don't have space to move my arm up and down since the table is too big what do i do

Don't move your arm up and down I guess??

Очень хочется что бы мульти игра разделяла экран на 2 половины, если вдвоём играть, и так шло соревнование

Hey guys!

I'm kinda new to Osu! (well, I started two months ago), and right now I'm trying to beat hard maps.
But I'm having a really bad time with this T.T

Well, let me explain. I can do easy / normal maps without problems and perfect chain almost all of them. But hard maps are, well, hard XD
I can deal with hard maps when the notes are placed in a logical manner (for exemple, this map : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/71561)
But with those who have randomly placed notes (I don't have any exemple in mind), it start to fuck up my brain and it's not always easy to follow. Same goes for short sliders that have long duration, I fail them most of the time because I don't know when they'll stop.

I also have some accuracy problem on fast maps, but I think it will change with practice.

So, do you have any tips to improve this? Should I continue with hard maps or first try to do easy / normal maps with mods?

Mods are dumb. Play more hards and fc them. Also buy a tablet.

Well, I would like to do si but for now I have to save money :/
Do you have affordable ones in mind?

Huion 420 is cheap at $30 and works well for me. I can't speak about any other tablet, but the size of the H420 is small enough that full area is not a huge problem like on some big-ass tablets.

I'll check this, thanks ^^