My speed and reads definitely goes bad though.jesus1412 wrote:
Yeah but I always feel like my accuracy improves when I leave for a while. Weird.Sotodashi wrote:
Coming back after a long hiatus really puts some stress on you.
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I improved by joining multiplayer lobbies with hard / insane maps while I couldn't even pass hard maps. Just keep sticking to it and you'll notice progress. I myself can't really improve when I play singleplayer because I will only play maps that I can FC.
Also, when I had just began osu! I thought it would be best to start alternate tapping from te beginning. I can somewhat alternate decent now but my singletap/streaming stamina is shit, so my advice for new players would be to just stick with singletap unless you get 1/4 notes. Singletapping should be easier when you just started anyway. I'm actually training my singletapping on low bpm maps now.
Also, when I had just began osu! I thought it would be best to start alternate tapping from te beginning. I can somewhat alternate decent now but my singletap/streaming stamina is shit, so my advice for new players would be to just stick with singletap unless you get 1/4 notes. Singletapping should be easier when you just started anyway. I'm actually training my singletapping on low bpm maps now.
Mamoru Senpai
when i finally got my tablet after 2 years i did some really hard songs with a friend to practice and after 2days (actually 3-5 hours) i was able to pass insane
although im still better with mouse
although im still better with mouse
Had my tablet for just over a week now. I always wondered why people used almost the whole tablet relative to the screen and I was sat using a tiny box. I've increased the size now to almost the whole tablet and jumps are so much easier!
One practice of mine is to try full combo a song I can full combo, but with hidden. After playing hidden so much I find it's not too difficult to read and that playing with approach circles is a lot easier than it was before.
One practice of mine is to try full combo a song I can full combo, but with hidden. After playing hidden so much I find it's not too difficult to read and that playing with approach circles is a lot easier than it was before.
Larger tablet size means less chance of movement error.
I'd been doing all of my playing with mouse left click button only, but recently I've started switching to keyboard left hand and mouse right hand. I've noticed myself alternating the x/z keys with a finger on each instead of doing the single click you mentioned. Is it worth sticking with that way or is it just going to be a bad habit in the end?
Topic Starter
Personally I think that alternating should be learnt as a secondary technique, and 1key should be used primarily. I'd learn 1key first and start alternating later on.Rorik wrote:
I'd been doing all of my playing with mouse left click button only, but recently I've started switching to keyboard left hand and mouse right hand. I've noticed myself alternating the x/z keys with a finger on each instead of doing the single click you mentioned. Is it worth sticking with that way or is it just going to be a bad habit in the end?
First and foremost thanks a lot to jesus1412 for this thread and to all its contributors, lots of helpful informations and maps in the different threads linked and answers.
I've chosen to alternate pretty much everything, and once again I see it criticized as a technique. I have several gameplay problems, but determining whether or not it's linked to alternating I couldn't say.
One of them being long streams, I guess it's related to it, as I tend to mess up the timing or the cursor position as the stream goes on. Any tips to determine this when I'm watching my own replays ?
Another problem is repetitive triplets (for example in http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37994 utter chaos diff', or http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11153 magnetic and mega force diff's). Can't seem to be able to combo them in maps of 150+ bpm for some reason. Should I treat them as streams with small jumps inbetween. As I noticed this, watching myself play I realized I messed up my alternating when triplets or repetitive stacks of 3/5/7 appeared too often on 160+ bpm maps : no more zxz xzx but rather zxz zxz. Any idea on how can I get rid of that bad habit I must have taken quite some plays ago
Lastly (for the moment
) any idea of the correspundance between 1/4th mapping and 1/3 ?
I love this map (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/39412) but the 1/3 streams, and 1/6 stacks messes me up, can't seem to get the right tapping speed (I'll get a full 300 on one stream, and mess the next one for no apparent reason..).
I.e a 160bpm mapped in 1/3 is equivalent to a 120bpm mapped in 1/4 (and therefore 1/6 stacks should be considered as 240bpm) or am I totally wrong ?
Thanks in advance, and sorry for the semi-wall of text
I've chosen to alternate pretty much everything, and once again I see it criticized as a technique. I have several gameplay problems, but determining whether or not it's linked to alternating I couldn't say.
One of them being long streams, I guess it's related to it, as I tend to mess up the timing or the cursor position as the stream goes on. Any tips to determine this when I'm watching my own replays ?
Another problem is repetitive triplets (for example in http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37994 utter chaos diff', or http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11153 magnetic and mega force diff's). Can't seem to be able to combo them in maps of 150+ bpm for some reason. Should I treat them as streams with small jumps inbetween. As I noticed this, watching myself play I realized I messed up my alternating when triplets or repetitive stacks of 3/5/7 appeared too often on 160+ bpm maps : no more zxz xzx but rather zxz zxz. Any idea on how can I get rid of that bad habit I must have taken quite some plays ago
Lastly (for the moment
) any idea of the correspundance between 1/4th mapping and 1/3 ? I love this map (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/39412) but the 1/3 streams, and 1/6 stacks messes me up, can't seem to get the right tapping speed (I'll get a full 300 on one stream, and mess the next one for no apparent reason..).
I.e a 160bpm mapped in 1/3 is equivalent to a 120bpm mapped in 1/4 (and therefore 1/6 stacks should be considered as 240bpm) or am I totally wrong ?
Thanks in advance, and sorry for the semi-wall of text
Hi,
EDIT: I think we need more cool links in the OP, I found those useful:
It's not caused by alternating for sure, most likely you can't stream consistently that bpm yet or can't read long streams properly. For the second issue I'd recommend listen to music and hitsounds more instead of watching at your cursor+stream, it really helps a lot on streams, also play more maps with spaced 1/4 notes, something like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55115#Fahe wrote:
One of them being long streams, I guess it's related to it, as I tend to mess up the timing or the cursor position as the stream goes on. Any tips to determine this when I'm watching my own replays ?
This problem is indeed cause by your playstyle, repetitive triplets or other repetitive 1/4 stacks is a nightmare for alternaters and it's the main reason why this technique is harder to master than single tap. Basically, you should be able to start any 1/4 or not pattern with each finger equivalently good. Tips: alternate more or single tap.Fahe wrote:
Another problem is repetitive triplets (for example in http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37994 utter chaos diff', or http://osu.ppy.sh/s/11153 magnetic and mega force diff's). Can't seem to be able to combo them in maps of 150+ bpm for some reason. Should I treat them as streams with small jumps inbetween. As I noticed this, watching myself play I realized I messed up my alternating when triplets or repetitive stacks of 3/5/7 appeared too often on 160+ bpm maps : no more zxz xzx but rather zxz zxz. Any idea on how can I get rid of that bad habit I must have taken quite some plays ago
Yes, seems correct to me, 160bpm mapped as 1/3 1/6 can be considered as 240bpm 1/2 1/4.Fahe wrote:
I.e a 160bpm mapped in 1/3 is equivalent to a 120bpm mapped in 1/4 (and therefore 1/6 stacks should be considered as 240bpm) or am I totally wrong ?
EDIT: I think we need more cool links in the OP, I found those useful:
SPOILER
Alternating vs Single tap
t/142228
t/143860
http://news.ppy.sh/post/56949145760/clicking-styles
Low AR / Easy Mod
http://news.ppy.sh/post/56948486143/eas ... ow-and-why
Tablet: Hovering vs Dragging
t/140463
Tablet: Area size
haven't found a good thread, maybe just this
t/142228
t/143860
http://news.ppy.sh/post/56949145760/clicking-styles
Low AR / Easy Mod
http://news.ppy.sh/post/56948486143/eas ... ow-and-why
Tablet: Hovering vs Dragging
t/140463
Tablet: Area size
haven't found a good thread, maybe just this
Almost wrote:
Larger tablet size means less chance of movement error.
Thanks Enik for the answer, now I know where I'm going with my alternating patterns and those nightmarish triplets 
Slowly improving on streaming, still stuck around 150/160bpm for longer ones but at least I'm not losing faith
Slowly improving on streaming, still stuck around 150/160bpm for longer ones but at least I'm not losing faith
Topic Starter
Tidied up the thread a little and added more to the threads list.
Same with everything in life. Practice practice practice! If switching to a harder difficulty you could play it at half speed to get the general idea of the map.
figured I might as well add a status report, been doing things according to the recommendations in this guide (major changes were learning the 1key and turning hitsounds back on) and I've made it to my goal of being able to sightread almost all of the easiest 5 star songs with full combo or very close to. And finally moved into the top 2,500 for the U.S. didn't think I'd be quite as proud of that as it turns out I am haha.jesus1412 wrote:
Personally I think that alternating should be learnt as a secondary technique, and 1key should be used primarily. I'd learn 1key first and start alternating later on.Rorik wrote:
I'd been doing all of my playing with mouse left click button only, but recently I've started switching to keyboard left hand and mouse right hand. I've noticed myself alternating the x/z keys with a finger on each instead of doing the single click you mentioned. Is it worth sticking with that way or is it just going to be a bad habit in the end?
The biggest problem I have is the spinners... for example on the beginner thread song "ikenai taiyou" I have an SS using HR and FL mods but I lose so much bonus on the spinner that using the SO mod to get 20,000 gets me a better score than playing without it which I get about 10000 which is not enough to make it worth turning SO off as the spinner is about 40% of the total score. How can I improve at spinners?
Just spin slowly in a small circle in the middle and just gradually improve your speed. There really is no point in training your spin speed or anything like that because there is always something better to be training.annanokeiji wrote:
The biggest problem I have is the spinners... for example on the beginner thread song "ikenai taiyou" I have an SS using HR and FL mods but I lose so much bonus on the spinner that using the SO mod to get 20,000 gets me a better score than playing without it which I get about 10000 which is not enough to make it worth turning SO off as the spinner is about 40% of the total score. How can I improve at spinners?
Like before...
I have the accuaracy, the reading ability
But i simply dont have the speed/stamina to single tap 100bpm/or long 190+ bpm long streams.....
What am i doing wrong?
Because i see scrubs in osu! that cant read shit or have shit accuaracy which are able to stream freedom dive speed...
I have the accuaracy, the reading ability
But i simply dont have the speed/stamina to single tap 100bpm/or long 190+ bpm long streams.....
What am i doing wrong?
Because i see scrubs in osu! that cant read shit or have shit accuaracy which are able to stream freedom dive speed...
Soarezi
People have different muscles. Only way to improve your speed is to play fast maps, that's all i can think of. There are no magical ways to improve your speed.Yuu-Chii wrote:
Like before...
I have the accuaracy, the reading ability
But i simply dont have the speed/stamina to single tap 100bpm/or long 190+ bpm long streams.....
What am i doing wrong?
Because i see scrubs in osu! that cant read shit or have shit accuaracy which are able to stream freedom dive speed...
You can try fingerlifting too rofl
[NanoAI]
Well I've started to notice 2 main problems I'm having, firstly 2 singles placed on top of one another then moves to a different spot and again 2 on and on, all of these are at a consistent 1/2 beat apart. Is there any advice for not rushing the second note of each of those, and getting it to feel more consistent? Apart from practice since I can't seem to find any good maps to practice it on. And secondly streams that are spaced so that they are not at all covered up by the previous note. I can't seem to manage the timing of fingers vs mouse movement.
Topic Starter
If you can't find something, find a song with constant 1/2 or 1/4 beats at a bpm you like and just map what you want. Really I only ever noticed the first problem when there is a huge jump between the stacks; sounds like a habit you'll learn to get out of over time honestly. As for spaced streams, you're pretty fucked honestly, everyone is.Rorik wrote:
Well I've started to notice 2 main problems I'm having, firstly 2 singles placed on top of one another then moves to a different spot and again 2 on and on, all of these are at a consistent 1/2 beat apart. Is there any advice for not rushing the second note of each of those, and getting it to feel more consistent? Apart from practice since I can't seem to find any good maps to practice it on. And secondly streams that are spaced so that they are not at all covered up by the previous note. I can't seem to manage the timing of fingers vs mouse movement.
I played osu! a lot for a couple months, but two or three weeks ago I got a Touhou game and played that a lot. I've come back and started playing more often again, but I'm really out of practice now. My stamina and accuracy have come down. Any tips for getting back into the saddle?
Play more, you'll eventually get your skill back
I find the patterns in http://osu.ppy.sh/s/40071 practically impossible for me to do; specifically this
I know for sure that I have at least a good reading ability to be able to get A on fast paced jumpy insane maps like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/b/279376 but for some reason, my hands seems very allergic to REPETITIVE DIAGONAL patterns
And to think that a lot of players far lower than my rank are capable of doing this
Wtf should I do
I know for sure that I have at least a good reading ability to be able to get A on fast paced jumpy insane maps like this one http://osu.ppy.sh/b/279376 but for some reason, my hands seems very allergic to REPETITIVE DIAGONAL patterns
And to think that a lot of players far lower than my rank are capable of doing this
Wtf should I doahahaha yeah sure.Kunino Sagiri wrote:
a good reading ability
ahahaha rank.Kunino Sagiri wrote:
players far lower than my rank
play Easy mod for a month and then come back to this.
And how does easy mod even help me move my cursor diagonally repetitively with ease?
I've been playing that map for month"s" who knows how long but there is 0 improvement. I doubt easy mode would be any help
I've been playing that map for month"s" who knows how long but there is 0 improvement. I doubt easy mode would be any help
easy mod is a rather extreme method for learning lower ar and isn't really a plausible method to begin with
what i'd suggest is to go into editor and analyse that pattern, and practice that particular part slowly i.e. try to hit the first 2 notes, when you're comfortable try to get the first 3 notes, then the first 4 notes etc
what i'd suggest is to go into editor and analyse that pattern, and practice that particular part slowly i.e. try to hit the first 2 notes, when you're comfortable try to get the first 3 notes, then the first 4 notes etc
Easy mod also makes it harder to play high AR and your aim gets worse if you play it too much.
Topic Starter
I'd argue the opposite, at least from my own experiences. That is of course assuming you're not full retard and you make sure to balance it with some higher ar maps. Learning 2 extremes at once let you manage the entire spectrum faster than barely pushing imo. Also playing easy+hd makes your low ar get so much better so much faster if you can start to read it.Almost wrote:
Easy mod also makes it harder to play high AR and your aim gets worse if you play it too much.
Soarezi
That's help me , thanksthelewa wrote:
Add this to accuracy as an easy way to practice: If you have really bad accuracy then just try to really look at the approach circles and really try to get acc that is above 97%, increase this minimum accuracy once you get better at it, capping out at 99%. Going for SS is useless for your general accuracy if you use a billion tries for it, so it's not worth the effort. Eventually something will click into place and accuracy will get easier.
it's not just about reading low ar, but also reading difficult patterns and clustersSoarezi wrote:
I don't see the point of playing low AR, sure it helps reading lower AR, but then again not many play low AR. I have had sessions where i play lower AR, but it hasn't helped me.
Reading low AR makes you better at spaced streams since you learn to read every single circle. Since "high level play" in this game all boils down to spaced streams, this is pretty much the most important thing. (well, that, and complex-pattern jumps. and hey guess what low AR also helps with that)
lol noAqo wrote:
Reading low AR makes you better at spaced streams since you learn to read every single circle. Since "high level play" in this game all boils down to spaced streams, this is pretty much the most important thing. (well, that, and complex-pattern jumps. and hey guess what low AR also helps with that)
why everything here is so indirect
i bet everyone decent here knows that to improve streaming you need to focus only on doubles/triples speed and then you'll gain streaming speed, however noone seems to be glad to share such informations
why not instead of useless guides make something useful? why is everyone directed to this thread which hardly contains any useful informations? mystery for me.
also gotta love this just practice bullsh*t, one without knowing how to practice properly will learn how to do something decently in few years while at the same time person which got knowledge passed to them from other person will grow to same level in a month, why not share knowledge to others then? keeping it to yourself? something is wrong here.
i bet everyone decent here knows that to improve streaming you need to focus only on doubles/triples speed and then you'll gain streaming speed, however noone seems to be glad to share such informations
why not instead of useless guides make something useful? why is everyone directed to this thread which hardly contains any useful informations? mystery for me.
also gotta love this just practice bullsh*t, one without knowing how to practice properly will learn how to do something decently in few years while at the same time person which got knowledge passed to them from other person will grow to same level in a month, why not share knowledge to others then? keeping it to yourself? something is wrong here.
wut?chox wrote:
why everything here is so indirect
i bet everyone decent here knows that to improve streaming you need to focus only on doublets/triplets speed and then you'll gain streaming speed, however noone seems to be glad to share such informations
why not instead of useless guides make something useful? why is everyone directed to this thread which hardly contains any useful informations? mystery for me.
also gotta love this just practice bullsh*t, one without knowing how to practice properly will learn how to do something decently in few years while at the same time person which got knowledge passed to them from other person will grow to same level in a month, why not share knowledge to others then? keeping it to yourself? something is wrong here.