buny wrote:

Has anybody actually improved from this?

buny wrote:

Oh I didn't know you improved by practicing.

Aqo wrote:

practicing certain things made me worse at other things

jesse what do

halp

Zakdawg wrote:

Aren't there any tips regarding how to improve overall endurance and finger speed?

That would be most welcome as I personally cant accurately stream faster than 180 bpm

FlameseeK wrote:

I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.


Basically, I started out as a mouse only user. It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?

This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.

Remember when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?

My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.


TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse.

FlameseeK wrote:

I don't regret switching to keyboard + mouse,the only thing that is truly harder as of now is jumps. The weird thing is, I should be doing jumps just as well as I do without the keyboard by now since I made this switch quite a while ago. I'd say more than 50% of the time I've spent playing osu so far has been with a keyboard to say the least. That's what baffles me.

Is this a natural disadvantage of using the keyboard? I'd like to hear what kind of experience other players have with this. It's kind of frustrating to have practiced more with the keyboard and still do worse jumps.

EDIT: As for having a hybrid technique, there are some really crazy songs out there and I'm afraid it will mess things up in the future.

enquire wrote:

FlameseeK wrote:

I'm not sure if what I'm gonna say happens only to me, but I believe other players might experience at least similar issues. Sorry for the wall of text down below.


Basically, I started out as a mouse only user. It was the most intuitive thing at that time and easier than trying to use the keyboard + mouse. Then I ran into a big problem - my mouse grip vs "moving triplets" and streams. When I played mouse only, I noticed that I "lock" my mouse movement when I click for coordination and stability - this made triplets and streams super difficult. I lose stability and my cursor ends up shaking too much if I don't lock my mouse position because I'm a claw grip/fingertip kind of player. I'm pretty sure a palm grip would "solve" this issue, but that's out of the question at this point. I wanted to know out of curiosity though - are there ANY really high level mouse only claw grip players who do streams without problems?

This is the reason I decided to switch to mouse + keyboard. Triplets are pretty easy to do now. Yeah, I got better, so even if I play without a keyboard it's not too hard anymore, but it's still a bit tricky when it's not a static triplet. Streaming is way easier too. However, I found out I have a new issue - jumps.

Remember when I said I "lock" my mouse position when I only use my mouse? I've recently come to realize that this makes sick jumps much easier to do. It's much harder to coordinate mouse + keyboard when doing jumps, like if I miss a single note I usually lose track the pattern (and my accuracy is just worse this way too). It's like my mouse moves in a different way if I do jumps with mouse only... a better way. I love to play some insanely hard songs on slow... when playing airman it took me quite a while to get my jumps with mouse + keyboard close to the level of my jumps with mouse only. And I'd never been able to get to the first break in the big black on slow because of those sick jumps, but yesterday I noticed that I actually COULD get to that part if I used my mouse button to do the jumps. My "jumping accuracy" feels smoother this way. Is this by any means normal?

My problem is that a hybrid technique like this might make things confusing because I always need to decide how to play certain parts. I'd rather have a reliable style than having to worry about how to practice and having a less consistent technique. But I'm afraid my keyboard + mouse jumps might not be able to catch up with my mouse only jumps... I wonder if I should keep on practicing keyboard + mouse exclusively, maybe try to retrain my muscle memory for jumps in a way or something... Any thoughts or similar experiences? Any words of encouragement towards either style are appreciated.


TLDR - Moving triplets and streaming feel harder with a mouse only claw grip / fingertip style, but sick jumps feel harder with keyboard + mouse. Not sure if I should work on a hybrid technique or keep practicing sick jumps with keyboard + mouse.

You could just use your keyboard for streaming only and your mouse for everything else...

kriers wrote:

remove anything that's not serious or an inside joke in it and I think it has a good chance of getting stickied

Down to actually streaming. I like to split streams into two categories, long and fast (sexual joke goes here).

kriers wrote:

remove anything that's not serious or an inside joke in it and I think it has a good chance of getting stickied

kriers wrote:

Down to actually streaming. I like to split streams into two categories, long and fast (sexual joke goes here).

Not quite yet ;p

FlameseeK wrote:

Do you think I should ignore these misses and keep on playing the song even if I know I won't beat my best score?

enik wrote:

Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can pass with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.

FlameseeK wrote:

It feels like FCs are a different skill set, closely related to accuracy, but not quite exactly the same thing.

FlameseeK wrote:

enik wrote:

Yep, don't force yourself to FC every song, though you can try getting as higher combo as possible, but don't retry after every miss. If you know you won't FC a song after 2-4 retries - move to the next one. 95% accuracy means a map is still slighty above your level, songs which you can pass with 98-99% accuracy are what you want to FC.

Whenever a song is easy enough for me to get 98-99% in the first place, I usually go for an SS and not just a full combo. Yeah, I probably shouldn't force myself to FC everything, but still... A and S are so close, don't you think? All I need to do is not miss (easier said than done ofc).

It feels like FCs are a different skill set, closely related to accuracy, but not quite exactly the same thing.

FlameseeK wrote:

So, I've been working on my accuracy for a while. Even though I go for 95% accuracy or higher, it's not easy to full combo stuff at all. My accuracy is not that high all the time, but it's kinda frustrating when I can generally get like 90/95% and not actually fc a beatmap. Sometimes I get one or two misses at the beginning and know that it will mess up my score even if I play everything else perfectly, which makes it very tempting to retry right away.

(before you ask, I'm not talking about ultra-insane beatmaps, I'm talking about hard / easier insanes song)

Do you think I should ignore these misses and keep on playing the song even if I know I won't beat my best score? Is there anything I can do to improve my ability to full combo songs with more consistency besides the obvious (duh practice)?



Example: Just got 96.86% accuracy on this beatmap http://osu.ppy.sh/b/137111
The insane difficulty looks like hard to me instead. It's a relatively easy song, but I missed 3 freaking times. I think my accuracy was actually quite high for the amount of misses I got, so it feels like I need to work on something else to pull off full combos more easily.

she wrote:

sticky pls

kriers wrote:

Since I really wanted to play like the best keyboard players, I decided I'd do whatever it takes to get there eventually. To my surprise, I was forced down to 120, one hundred and twenty bpm if I was going to maintain an accurate stream using keyboard. I had just finished mad machine at 90% the other day and now I realized the only way to hit a perfect stream was going that low ._. 10 months later and I'm slowly gaining stamina, completing long 180 bpm streams and gradually increasing my maximum bpm while maintaining perfect accuracy of course. Good thing I can play mouse only or I'd never bother ever.

tl;dr: spam =/= real streaming ability

Bieras wrote:

I have problem with single tapping even short streams. I am missing in the end of the stream because my finger is somehow blocking and cant move anymore, lol. Have you got any tips for me?

buny wrote:

it just takes practice and getting used to

FlameseeK wrote:

buny wrote:

it just takes practice and getting used to

I don't know which is the better technique in the long run. Right now, I see no reason to hover besides durability and I'm not sure that's enough to make it worth it.