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Mapset Suggestions for a Personal Bounty [Idea]

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NeonKraken
I've been playing for almost 6 months. I've been feeling rather stuck lately, and after hearing advice on setting more map-based goals, I had an idea that I though I would try out. So basically, it's like a bounty. I make a list of maps. There are three different categories: FC, Acc, and Pass. I pick a certain amount of maps per category. Once I achieve the respective goal for the map, I check it off. I will try to complete the bounty by the end of the month.
I want to see how this works out improvement wise. A few high ranking players have already said this is a good idea. Obviously I won't play just these maps but will probably focus on them.

So I am asking for suggestions for each category based on what I already have. I think this is a pretty fair reflection of my skill level. Here is what I have so far:


Full Combo Category
Milk Crown on Sonnetica (Len Set) [toybot’s Insane] 4.71*

NINI (Cherry Blossom Set) [Frey’s Another]
5.12*

Clock Strikes (Saut Set) [Insane]
5.13*

Ai Wo Utae (Sotarks Set) [Kyuukai’s Expert]
5.18*

Yume Torou (Monstrata Set) [Extra: Taki]
5.39*

Teo (Monstrata Set) [Extra]
5.47*

Zen Zen Zense (movie ver.) (Monstrata Set) [Extra: Taki]
5.47*


Accuracy Category
FREEDOM DIVE (Pikastar Set) [Stardust]
5.42*
90%+ Acc

HIBANA (Testo Set) [Akitoshi’s Expert]
5.47*
90-85%+ Acc

Shelter (Monstrata Set) [Rumi’s Extra]
5.55*
95%+ Acc


Pass Category
Higurashi Moratorium (HelloSCV Set) [Frobe’s Extra]
5.48*

Hachigatsu, Bou, Tsukiari (Delis Set) [Extra]
5.65*

me & u (Alonevpk Set) [thiinggs]
5.78*

FREEDOM DiVE [METAL DIMENSIONS] (Cherry Blossom Set) [Another]
5.79*

Highschore (Fort Set) [Extra]
6.09

Happy End of the World (Kroytz Set) [The Final Hour]
6.1*


For reference, I have around 6-7 hours per week to play. But, as the holidays approach I will have time off so that will allow for more time. Please suggest in according quantity. Please tell me if you have any suggestions and what you think of this idea.
Endaris
I believe that setting accuracy goals like that is no good.
These accuracy goals look more like extended pass goals.
Accuracy training should always be done with the goal of achieving a more consistent performance in overall gameplay. Goals that can be achieved while still sucking so hard on these maps won't give you that.

Furthermore it is very difficult to judge whether you can actually improve to that degree on maps that are apparently so hard for your that you cannot get 90% on them right now. I have found myself removing maps from my accuracy training collections (I think you know my guide already?) that I couldn't feasibly improve my accuracy on because the parts that kept cutting into my acc were so hard that the map didn't serve as a good practice map to get better at these. The most recent example is Lapfoxed Forever: I'm so far away from getting the 220bpm bursts properly in the dense parts that there is no merit in playing it for these. At the same time there are enough parts without these bursts that I can do perfectly fine so that I still get 95-96% accuracy, meaning that I won't see visible progress on this map anytime soon.
For me it makes a lot more sense to work on Smoke Tower instead which is similar in style but only 205bpm.

I think it is questionable whether playing these maps a lot will actually help you improve on them.
For example I think it is perfectly possible to get 90% on that Freedom Dive diff while still butchering pretty much all the 222bpm streams. What is the value in that considering that these streams are what makes the map difficult?

What you can use these maps for is progression measurement. I would recommend to set goals that are more achieveable and also to set them higher in accuracy correspondingly.
Somewhat related sidenote
At my job we're doing something called "Objective-Key Result" (OKR). Basically you set yourself an objective that is formulated in a general way for example "I want to get better at streaming". What is important is that there is intrinsic motivaton to actually pursue that objective. Then you start thinking of key results that are measurable results you can work to achieve and that you think will lead you closer to the objective. For example "Do 15 full play throughs of Little Princess on [Lunatic]".
Whether fullfilling the key results actually helped you achieving your objective is something you need to find out yourself - for that you could actually use more difficult maps as measurement and look at the acc you get before and after.


If you asked me to set your accuracy goals for you I would tell you:
Get 99%+ on tumult - Cave Story [Hard] using Score v2.
Get 97%+ accuracy on Caramell - Caramell Dansen [Hard] using HD.
Get 98%+ accuracy on Kozato - Tsuki -Yue- [Another]

These are all relatively easy maps but I think you can't get the acc on any of them right now. Compared to your current accuracy goals I'm absolutely sure that you will improve while trying to get there.


On to your FC goals.
I'm mildly weirded out. At least half of these look more like farm goals than FC goals. Generally speaking, working on a FC that is outside of your aim capabilities won't bring you much satisfaction. It is exactly because of them being outside of your aim capabilities that they will give so much pp. For the same reason they will be very difficult to do and potentially very frustrating.
Personally I consider it hard to judge whether you actually have an intrinsic motivation beyond the potential pp gain to work on FCing most of these. You can be the only judge for that and I honestly think that you shouldn't take suggestions for that category. Being motivated to FC a map outside of the pp gains is what makes a map a good FC goal.
Beyond that you might want to look at the difficulty again. Personally I would probably focus on the maps that are below 5.2* if I was you (or even lower but given that there'd be only 1 map left then it doesn't make sense). There's little point in banging your head against a map you want to FC that you don't have the aim for.
I also want to FC Airman but eh, little point right now.
DR3AMLiKE
Topic Starter
NeonKraken

Endaris wrote:

I believe that setting accuracy goals like that is no good.
These accuracy goals look more like extended pass goals.
Accuracy training should always be done with the goal of achieving a more consistent performance in overall gameplay. Goals that can be achieved while still sucking so hard on these maps won't give you that.

Furthermore it is very difficult to judge whether you can actually improve to that degree on maps that are apparently so hard for your that you cannot get 90% on them right now. I have found myself removing maps from my accuracy training collections (I think you know my guide already?) that I couldn't feasibly improve my accuracy on because the parts that kept cutting into my acc were so hard that the map didn't serve as a good practice map to get better at these. The most recent example is Lapfoxed Forever: I'm so far away from getting the 220bpm bursts properly in the dense parts that there is no merit in playing it for these. At the same time there are enough parts without these bursts that I can do perfectly fine so that I still get 95-96% accuracy, meaning that I won't see visible progress on this map anytime soon.
For me it makes a lot more sense to work on Smoke Tower instead which is similar in style but only 205bpm.

I think it is questionable whether playing these maps a lot will actually help you improve on them.
For example I think it is perfectly possible to get 90% on that Freedom Dive diff while still butchering pretty much all the 222bpm streams. What is the value in that considering that these streams are what makes the map difficult?

What you can use these maps for is progression measurement. I would recommend to set goals that are more achieveable and also to set them higher in accuracy correspondingly.
Somewhat related sidenote
At my job we're doing something called "Objective-Key Result" (OKR). Basically you set yourself an objective that is formulated in a general way for example "I want to get better at streaming". What is important is that there is intrinsic motivaton to actually pursue that objective. Then you start thinking of key results that are measurable results you can work to achieve and that you think will lead you closer to the objective. For example "Do 15 full play throughs of Little Princess on [Lunatic]".
Whether fullfilling the key results actually helped you achieving your objective is something you need to find out yourself - for that you could actually use more difficult maps as measurement and look at the acc you get before and after.


If you asked me to set your accuracy goals for you I would tell you:
Get 99%+ on tumult - Cave Story [Hard] using Score v2.
Get 97%+ accuracy on Caramell - Caramell Dansen [Hard] using HD.
Get 98%+ accuracy on Kozato - Tsuki -Yue- [Another]

These are all relatively easy maps but I think you can't get the acc on any of them right now. Compared to your current accuracy goals I'm absolutely sure that you will improve while trying to get there.


On to your FC goals.
I'm mildly weirded out. At least half of these look more like farm goals than FC goals. Generally speaking, working on a FC that is outside of your aim capabilities won't bring you much satisfaction. It is exactly because of them being outside of your aim capabilities that they will give so much pp. For the same reason they will be very difficult to do and potentially very frustrating.
Personally I consider it hard to judge whether you actually have an intrinsic motivation beyond the potential pp gain to work on FCing most of these. You can be the only judge for that and I honestly think that you shouldn't take suggestions for that category. Being motivated to FC a map outside of the pp gains is what makes a map a good FC goal.
Beyond that you might want to look at the difficulty again. Personally I would probably focus on the maps that are below 5.2* if I was you (or even lower but given that there'd be only 1 map left then it doesn't make sense). There's little point in banging your head against a map you want to FC that you don't have the aim for.
I also want to FC Airman but eh, little point right now.


Thank for this in depth reply, I appreciate it. However I am failing to gather if you are saying this is a bad idea or if I should just change up my maps. Sorry. I do apologize in advance for a lack of understanding of the technical workings of this game. I've improved relatively quickly so I have a lack of experience.

On the FC goals: Well, yes, I did choose half of the maps based off of potential pp gain. However they are maps I am very close to FCing which is why I chose them. I do care about rank but I am okay with putting it on the backburner, but I would like to get five digit by the end of the year.
Some of these are not for pp though, like Milk Crown and NINI.

So do you have any other reccs for the other categories? Thanks again.

[quote=DR3AMLiKE]Interesting idea. I think I need to try something like that.

About the goals... maybe try these:

Lets start with something... easy I guess:

[Full Combo] https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/823616#osu/1876631

[100% Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/135972#osu/340484

[97,5%+ Acc with HD]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/44072#osu/138140

[97,5%+ Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/844836#osu/2008410

[98%+ Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/691223#osu/1467741

[95%+ Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/283815#osu/649319

NOW THE FUN BEGINS:

[95%+ Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/823616#osu/1804642

[Full Combo]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/297909#osu/679817

[100% Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/890781#osu/1862183

[Full Combo]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/888887#osu/1926331

[99%+ Acc with HD]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/708535#osu/1497902

Yoy are probably going to regret this:

[Full Combo 97%+ Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/810200#osu/1699952

[Pass with 88%+ Acc]
https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/691223#osu/1491476[\quote]

Thanks! So are you suggesting I replace the old ones with these or add them? Or are there certain ones I had that I should delete?
Endaris
Just change the maps.
There shouldn't be a single accuracy goal that aims below 95% and in the vast majority of cases you will want to aim for at least 97% if not higher. 95%+ should only be your goal for maps that basically consist of nothing but streams.
DR3AMLiKE
I think you should play every map from both mine and your list and answer important question "Do I really want to take this challenge on that specific map?".

Challenge can be fun but the map need to be fun for you. The game is about fun after all.
So, if you don't lile the map and it is tiring for you - drop it.

And hmm... maybe I went little too far with the pupa armin extra diff lol
Topic Starter
NeonKraken
Thanks again guys! If you have any more recommendations I'd really appreciate it :)

Edit: Update-

DR3AMLiKE- I worked through your set a little bit this morning- here is where I’m at with at after around a two hour play session (probably less; I was doing other things)-

They are in the order you set forth.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/FfLKJRP

I skipped the second HAVOX and didn’t get to the last two.
DR3AMLiKE

NeonKraken wrote:

Thanks again guys! If you have any more recommendations I'd really appreciate it :)

Edit: Update-

DR3AMLiKE- I worked through your set a little bit this morning- here is where I’m at with at after around a two hour play session (probably less; I was doing other things)-

They are in the order you set forth.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/FfLKJRP

I skipped the second HAVOX and didn’t get to the last two.


good

good luck with the challenge!
Topic Starter
NeonKraken
Just wanted to clarify, are there any maps from my list I should leave on here?

Also, do y’all have any more for the FC and pass category? They are looking a bit sparse. Thanks!
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NeonKraken
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