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Xakyrie

Joined February 2011

Xakyrie 2013-03-16T23:04:55+00:00

Maybe a little less sarcasm and over-exploitation might be necessary to help the mapper feel more comfortable with this "aid" that is being offered.

Pertaining to the similarty of maps, surely there is nothing wrong with using patterns that other mappers have used in the past? Even if it's in the same map. Maybe both Philippines and LKs really enjoyed the way v2b represented the music at certain points in the song (what Charles suggested LKs did with that one timestamp). Is it wrong to use patterns other people have created? How else are we to learn and incorporate genius ideas through the medium which is the map? It's not like they copy/pasted entire sections of v2b's version that make this a complete infringement. They simply sifted what they liked out of it most and refurbished it in their own creation. Again, there is nothing wrong with mimicking patterns and ideas. This is the only way to create, expand and develop new works.

Cygnus

1,517 posts

Joined December 2011

Topic Starter

Cygnus 2013-03-17T01:29:15+00:00

Calm down guys. I am looking for mods, not argument. ;_;

I will check the mods later when i have time.

LKs

3,119 posts

Joined August 2009

LKs 2013-03-17T03:43:51+00:00

Blue Dragon wrote:
"hey I got mad because you said my map is something I don't think it is so I'm gonna deny all of your suggestions because I'm raging"

not the best kind of attitude for a BAT..

sry, being influenced by his manner of speaking, I responsed not in a very proper tone. but still I checked all his suggestions and explained why I kept this here or there. so basically this modding-checking-updating process is nearly to an end, so just waiting for his recheck now.

btw I bluntly suppose the reason he being strange there was because he personally dislike v2b's version quite a lot so he got mad seeing another map using similar patterns. A peculiar sense of justice would appear and attach to people asking them to promote justice. However actually if we analyze my diff from 3 essences, rhythm, placement and hitsound. Only a little bit of placement looks surprisingly the same(10% of placement, apporximately). Then it means only 3% is the same within the whole map (100-33-33-(100-10)/3) (making them white in order not to get the thread looking messy

Cygnus

1,517 posts

Joined December 2011

Topic Starter

Cygnus 2013-03-17T09:48:28+00:00

Charles445 wrote:
Popped for many reasons on Platinum alone, be more careful when bubbling!
More mods to the diffs will be added. Focusing on one difficulty to complete the pop.

[Platinum]
00:18:458 to 00:20:876 - Clustered mess of objects. The hitbursts get in the way, making this very hard to read. It doesn't help that the angles change often.this is not hard to read. For your level, it could be hard to read, but you'll realize the flow of circles if you'll pay attention the approach circles.

00:27:224 (5,6,7) - Verified this with player 'thelewa', we agree that the hitburst of the 5 makes it very hard to find where the stream starts again. If the 5 was not touching the 7 this would not be a problem. I will label any further instances of this as "Confusing stream beginning"
oh god, you gotta be serious about this. it is completely readable if you'll pay attention to that area.

00:28:282 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - I think val did this on that one IA map. Pattern is very similar, if not identical.
so you're trying to say is? Is val the only one allowed to do this pattern?

00:32:363 (9,10,11) - Confusing stream beginning.
00:34:328 (3,4,5) - Confusing stream beginning.
00:34:782 (7,8,9) - Confusing stream beginning.
are you serious? D:

00:37:956 (3,4,5,7,8) - THESE ARE GOOD Since they are offset so significantly, they are "read in a completely different way" (thelewa).
is this sarcasm?> But thank you.

00:53:524 (1) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3. Refer to v2b's mapset for more information on beat snapping.
00:54:129 (3) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
00:57:152 (1) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
00:57:454 (2) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
00:58:059 (1) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
00:58:361 (2) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
01:00:779 (1) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
01:01:082 (2) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
01:01:686 (1) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3
01:01:989 (2) - Wrongly snapped slider endpoint. No sound exists in the music here. It should instead be snapped to 1/3

I know v2b used 1/3 here. I focused on the hit sounds on this part. I feel like 1/4 is way better so i used 1/4.

Going to put a little break here.

Oh Really?

If you're going to rip off v2b at least do it right. These are all snapped incorrectly.

01:04:633 (2) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:04:937 (4) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:05:540 (2) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:05:844 (4) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:06:447 (2) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:06:826 (5) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:07:354 (2) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
01:07:658 (4) - Should be 1/3 instead of 1/4
Same as my reason.

01:11:813 (3,4,5) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:12:266 (7,8,9) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:12:720 (11,12,13) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:14:231 (3,4,5) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:14:685 (7,8,9) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:15:138 (11,12,13) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:16:650 (3,4,5) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:17:103 (7,8,9) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:17:556 (11,12,13) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:19:068 (3,4,5) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:19:521 (7,8,9) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:19:975 (11,12,13) - Confusing stream beginning.
01:43:403 (5,6,7) - Confusing stream beginning.
This is the new pattern I am trying to introduce atm. I will not change any of it seems I believe this is completely fine. If you find it hard to read, i'll be willing to mark new combos on the first circles on those triplets.

02:00:029 - A part with increased speed sliders placed in linear fashion that don't require movement? Gee I wonder if v2b has ever done this before... OH WAIT HE DID THE EXACT THING
So v2b is the only person who has the right to do this? check out Nakagawa-Kanon's neu..

02:03:506 (4,1) - The way the 4 is angled makes this transition very prone to sliderbreaks. To maintain the desired movement, the 4 should either be pointed towards the (1) or the 4 is just plain old shorter. Oh, and retaining a pattern isn't an excuse for bad gameplay.
02:04:716 (4,1) - Same as above.
I don't see how this one became a problem. Can you explain it a bit more?

[Chrome]
00:23:295 - The claps are really irritaing sounding. It's too loud! You'd be better off with the whistles you had on the harder difficulties.
reduced volume since i want to keep the clap pattern.

01:16:498 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Tons of overlapping going on here. Would be much more readble if it wasn't so overlapping.
01:18:917 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Again, overlapping is confusing and misleading here.
can you at least do me a suggestion here?

01:21:335 (1,3,1,3) - Hard to see the repeats and where to play the sliders because of overlapping.
01:23:754 (1,3,1,3) - Again, hard to see the repeats and beginnings of the sliders.
i believe the repeats are predictable on this part. and the reverse arrow is 50% visible so i am very confident to say this is fine.

01:39:473 (1,2) - This is a bad way to start off the stream. The player has to mostly guess how many repeats are in the (1). If they mess up it's 50's everywhere. Not fair to the player.
have you forgotten about the thing called Approach circle?

02:16:353 (7) - This would be better angled more to the right to fit the pattern and be less hidden by the previous hitburst.
fixed

Chrome has circle streams that last 16 notes. Silver has no circle streams.
i am aware of this one. And since i want to keep the streams in this difficulty, i just stacked them and decreased the spacing so it'd be easy to hit. and i like how it turned out ~

The spread is quite bad between these two difficulties because of such a high BPM.

[Silver]
01:17:405 (2) - Very hard to see under the previous slider. Move it out.
01:18:312 (2) - Very hard to see under the previous slider. Move it out.
can i keep this? You were the only person who pointed this out. I really like this ;_;

Hey pizanos! It's the super v2b brothers super show!

Let's do the v2b altogether now!

Stand still, spin in a circle with a curve on it.
so what's your point here? I only used 4 sliders and I wasn't actually trying to copy v2bs. So v2b only has the right to do this? what aout blankets and other more great patterns? Is the first creator the only one allowed to create such thing?

[Bronze]
00:06:819 - This is not a beat. This repeat is mapped to nothing. The sound that begins close to that beat actually comes in significantly earlier.
i did this because using the same slider lengths would sound boring. So i did a little tweek on the hit sounds to give a little uniqueness to the sounds.

00:27:376 - These claps are horribly loud and don't fit with the rest of the set.
I like it. And thank you for your 'opinion'

[Rust]
The claps are so loud! The higher difficulties have better hitsounding.
reduced the volume ~

[Taiko]
You should get taiko modders from the approval team to judge the taikos. I don't think they have been properly evaluated yet.
okay

THANK FOR THE MOD, SARCASMS, AND HUMOR.

Mirage

627 posts

Joined May 2011

Mirage 2013-03-17T10:53:12+00:00

Charles, I just checked Platinum and apart Hitsounds (which i'm not a fan of but that's not the point) there are like no problems I can visualize.
The map plays fine and it's pretty awesome too.

wmfchris

osu! Alumni

5,072 posts

Joined March 2008

wmfchris 2013-03-17T11:19:52+00:00

[Inner Oni]
00:22:085 - Use a single K? The coming D does not fit the whistle like sound in the song well, and another K is too much there.
00:39:014 - the kkkdk -> dkddd stuffs are more like a random and symmetric 5-plet over the stream but they do not actually fit the melodic shift.

- Sections like 00:42:944 - could be softer.
- Streamy part like 00:23:295 - --- the piano stream sounds like allowing any kind of stream, but quite a number of them, like 0:39 --- like a randomly picked one and they hardly inspire me.

[Taiko Oni]
00:22:085 - ddd k fits the drum quite well.
01:14:080 - this musical note sounds something equivalent to 01:14:534 - , 01:14:987 - etc., so I don't see why there isn't a finish for the note.
01:16:498 - ^
01:28:590 - (This is finished correctly, then why not the above two?)

[Muzu]
00:22:388 - This section is supposedly empty, no spinner needed. Not to mention it's a bit distracting as well.
00:55:036 - as a contrast with previous k k or to fit the lower tone d d fits here better.

In overall technically fine for me.

Well I'd owe you a taiko GD for this song and I haven't finished loooooool

Kokatsu

504 posts

Joined August 2011

Kokatsu 2013-03-17T11:30:46+00:00

Changed both things mentioned by wmf, thanks.

Update

osu file format v12

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Artist:Shounen Radio
ArtistUnicode:少年ラジオ
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Frostmourne

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Frostmourne 2013-03-17T12:00:14+00:00

This atmosphere wouldn't have existed if v2b hadn't mapped this song for his version in the past.

Just saying

By the way, I hope I can help a bit, these come from my opinion only from what I got while playing through the Gold and Chrome diff.
(you know that I can play these in real play, not only watch to the editor)

Gold
This is awesome diff LKs

, it's easy to read for almost every points of the map, except some of these , hope you consider in some way
00:34:026 (4) - I feel like this should be unstacked , maybe move to some else where like x:240 y:32 , it's a bit uncomfortable to hit imo
00:35:235 (12) - ^
for 00:35:840 (5) - and 00:36:444 (5) - are easier to read and hit because the slider from the alike 00:33:573 (1) - and 00:34:782 (9) - didn't conflict my finger much
01:39:624 (2,3,4) - if the players haven't listened to the song beforehand , they might get confused from this because the stream looks really like these whole 01:38:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - stream, it's not that problem because it will be recognized after playing once
but if you consider it , I think to stack 01:39:624 (2,3,4) - at the same point will be nicer to read imo
other than this = awesome!

Platinum
01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) - this is my personal preference, I feel what Charles feels the same (maybe because I am really familiar with v2b version)
the reason in my opinion is
01:03:802 (5,6) - these 2 sliders' heads are following something like 01:04:558 , 01:04:860 - and so on<-(focus on these points)
They have heavier sound and beat in the music, and what people get recognized from 01:03:802 (5,6) - will conflict with these 01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) -
by the way, the way you map follows the music greatly too , just different rhythm , if I were you , I would replace these points 01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) - with 1/4 sliders instead to at least "introduce and guide" how the next rhythm will be, so this will be more expected

SPOILER

00:34:631 (5) -
00:35:084 (9) -
01:12:115 (5) -
01:12:569 (9) -
01:13:022 (13) -
01:14:534 (5) -
01:14:987 (9) -
01:15:441 (13) -
01:16:952 (5) -
01:17:405 (9) -
01:17:859 (13) -
01:19:370 (5) -
01:19:824 (9) -
01:20:277 (13) -

these look awesome in my opinion , but when I play, I feel they are a bit hard to read because of how it stacks and my ability of playing.
however, I tried adding NC on these points and they became really easier and fun to read while playing (because of different combo's color indicates more clearly for these points)
but again, all about NC here will ruin the way you NC in the rest of the map.

also Philippines please don't overlook Mr Color's mod post , it is useful.
what I give here are all suggestions and feedback that I got from playing only. You are free to ignore or fix whatever you want.

Good luck !

Garven

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Garven 2013-03-17T12:02:05+00:00

Just doing a quick poke at the Platinum diff since that seems to be in contention. I started in IRC, but since your keyboard is having issues (?) here's your post.

Set your stack leniency to default. There's no reason for it to be so low.
00:12:110 (1) - Sudden .5x -> 1x is rather jarring and generally discouraged in modern mapping due to having much better options available to make such a transition much smoother.
00:18:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Can you spread these out a bit more? Maybe do a slight rotate on them. They're pretty much covered up by hitbursts and a pain to read. "Extra" or not, you want the hit objects to be accessible and readable. Difficulty level doesn't matter.
00:34:177 (1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11) - Maybe have more obvious change in this curve so it gives the impression that there is a change like what you did at 00:27:224 (5,7) - and 00:37:956 (3,5,7,9) -
00:40:677 (7,8) - This gap in the rhythm is placed oddly. It feels like you're not finishing up the rhythmic phrase. Try deleting the 6 and the 13 for a more natural rhythm. Also on 00:41:810 (6) -
00:44:455 (1) - More with the weird and unfitting .5x stuff. All of that super-slow movement kills any sort of flow you had for 00:53:222 (6,7) - since it's the same part of the same phrase you had mapped prior, but suddenly you have giant spacing for seemingly no reason at all.
00:57:152 (1,2) - Shouldn't this be 1/3? Slow the song down and listen to it. 1/4 sounds wrong. The end of 2 is snapped right though. There's a bunch in here. You know what to do.
00:59:268 (2) - This slider is pretty much covered up by hitbursts.

SPOILER

01:11:662 (1) - The emphasis is more on the on-beat rather than the offbeat, so these triples play really awkwardly. It'd play more naturally like this.

Also the same suggestion about making the curve offset with each triple so that it reads easier and stays consistent with the previous patterns.
01:14:080 (1) - Same thing here, blah blah. Applies to other iterations
01:38:264 (1,1,1,1) - Please don't new combo spam
01:56:704 (2,3,4) - Kinda weird spacing considering the even spacing right before it

This is pretty nice. Mainly needs fixing on the wrong-snapped rhythms and that covered slider. The rest is more a strong recommendation, but they'd make the map play more naturally and read a little bit better without compromising your patterns.

And since I can actually play muzu mostly, I'll give a quick poke at the muzu as well:

[Muzukashii]
00:43:397 (3,4) - this rhythm is kind of weird. Not sure what you're going for here.
Pro taiko mod woo.

LKs

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LKs 2013-03-17T12:28:20+00:00

Frostmourne wrote:
Gold
This is awesome diff LKs , it's easy to read for almost every points of the map, except some of these , hope you consider in some way
00:34:026 (4) - I feel like this should be unstacked , maybe move to some else where like x:240 y:32 , it's a bit uncomfortable to hit imo I was not inclined to changing this part for consistency reason. but the position you gave there seems considerable too. so i say yes here
00:35:235 (12) - ^ moved to x355 y294. an small jump here could emphasize the downbeat in music, but if more people prefer same spacing here I'd change
for 00:35:840 (5) - and 00:36:444 (5) - are easier to read and hit because the slider from the alike 00:33:573 (1) - and 00:34:782 (9) - didn't conflict my finger much
01:39:624 (2,3,4) - if the players haven't listened to the song beforehand , they might get confused from this because the stream looks really like these whole 01:38:264 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - stream, it's not that problem because it will be recognized after playing once
but if you consider it , I think to stack 01:39:624 (2,3,4) - at the same point will be nicer to read imo sure, I once thought of this and I wondered if there is anyone would notice it. since stack triplet looks not very well in my standpoint, so I made it a repeat slider. hope it could work well

other than this = awesome!

http://puu.sh/2jds3 thanks for modding

Kokatsu

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Kokatsu 2013-03-17T13:46:05+00:00

Garven wrote:
[Muzukashii]
00:43:397 (3,4) - this rhythm is kind of weird. Not sure what you're going for here. Listen to the (idk what it's called) instrument, it's exactly that rhythm.
Pro taiko mod woo.

Garven

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Garven 2013-03-17T14:56:01+00:00

Kokatsu wrote:
Garven wrote:
[Muzukashii]
00:43:397 (3,4) - this rhythm is kind of weird. Not sure what you're going for here. Listen to the (idk what it's called) instrument, it's exactly that rhythm.
Pro taiko mod woo.

Yeah, but it didn't really fit with the general rhythm of that section since it was mostly following the piano part, I think. It just stuck out - nothing big, but was wondering if it was intentional or not.

Kokatsu

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Kokatsu 2013-03-17T20:21:20+00:00

Garven wrote:
Yeah, but it didn't really fit with the general rhythm of that section since it was mostly following the piano part, I think. It just stuck out - nothing big, but was wondering if it was intentional or not.

If I hear it right, that notes are played by the piano and yea, it was intentionally.

v2b

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v2b 2013-03-19T03:22:11+00:00

Philippines wrote:
I did not map this song to compare my works to v2b. Whatever the people's opinion between us will NOT be entertained. This is to give respect to my own mapping style and of course, to v2b.

As he said,I don't think there's anything wrong with the patterns.

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-19T03:46:27+00:00

Thank you v2b for that.

I believe I already have his consent to use some of his patterns. So I hope no one goes crazy again about the similarities or something. By the way, I still have no time to look through the other mods. My graduation is approaching in two hours. Good luck to me.

OnosakiHito

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OnosakiHito 2013-03-21T06:30:21+00:00

I will check today everything. Just saying.
Finally I have free time again. Vacations are coming!

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-21T19:08:03+00:00

[Mr Color]
About the Chrome difficulty, which is the highest difficulty I can give an accurate opinion on, I think what you did doesn't quite work. First off I'm bothered by it's difficulty - it's the 3rd hardest diff and it still has a 16-note stream at 198bpm which is pretty ruthless. Second a lot of your patterns are confusing, awkward or just plain not fun to play.

00:23:295 (1,2) - This, for example, is pretty awkward. It's like you couldn't decide between a normal stream and a kickstream. I'd say remove one repeat, and move away that circle. Should give much more cursor movement and a better feel. I am trying to introduce a new kind of structure here. You're supposed to read the approach circle to be able to read this one.

00:30:550 (1) - Ecch. You're better off with a 1/2 slider, I think. Once again, unneccesary 1/4 spam. I don't see such reason why you see this thing unnecessary. It's going well with the music and it plays normally for an Insane -.

00:35:689 (2) - See, you did it here. Do that more. I'll only do it here.

00:44:455 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I think using 1/2 sliders here would work much better than circles in a line. Once again, better feel for the song - it's a soft part that's meant to be kinda swingy. I think it would be a bit boring to use 1/2 sliders all the way so I did this. I also did this to make players focus on their accuracy.

00:51:710 (1,2,3,4) - See, like that. I used this one so that the 1/2 circles won't be boring.

00:53:524 (1,2) - Why. These are the only sliders that look like that in the entire diff. It's very out of place, imo.
I don't see this as a problem though. You can't just use curve sliders in an entire diff right?

01:01:233 (2,3) - See, look at the cursor movement here - that's very bad. Rotate the (3) around the (2) so that it ends up more at the top.
i edited something on this. Hope it's fine now.

01:11:662 (1,2,3,4) - There we go. This is where everything falls apart. This is extremely confusing, unintuitive and annoying to play. Since this goes on for the whole section I'm not gonna go in detail into it - just rethink this through because this is very bad.
This part flows very well in my opinion. Saying that this part is bad is considered an opinion so I will just try to respect your opinion and that's about it.

01:58:820 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - Why. This part has the piano going on a very interesting melody, and you just go ahead and stack everything. Also, this is hard. 16 circles at 198bpm.
I stacked this because I believe making an unstacked stream would just make a bad spread with silver. And this is not hard for an insane minus since you don't have to move your cursor. You just have to stream.

The whole difficulty is either a bunch of circles together or a bunch of sliders together. Please mix them together more, because as it is now it is very dull and unnerving to play. This is an opinion. Thank you for that.

As for the Taiko difficulties, I've looked at them very quickly - once again on the Oni we have a bunch of deathstreams. Disappointing. Oni at 198 BPM. What do you expect. -.-

Thank you very much for checking.

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-21T19:22:52+00:00

[Frostmourne]
This atmosphere wouldn't have existed if v2b hadn't mapped this song for his version in the past. you are very right about this.

By the way, I hope I can help a bit, these come from my opinion only from what I got while playing through the Gold and Chrome diff.
(you know that I can play these in real play, not only watch to the editor)

Platinum
01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) - this is my personal preference, I feel what Charles feels the same (maybe because I am really familiar with v2b version)
the reason in my opinion is
01:03:802 (5,6) - these 2 sliders' heads are following something like 01:04:558 , 01:04:860 - and so on<-(focus on these points)
They have heavier sound and beat in the music, and what people get recognized from 01:03:802 (5,6) - will conflict with these 01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) -
by the way, the way you map follows the music greatly too , just different rhythm , if I were you , I would replace these points 01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) - with 1/4 sliders instead to at least "introduce and guide" how the next rhythm will be, so this will be more expected

it's not really hard to learn in my opinion. It's actually pretty obvious that 01:04:633 (2,3,4,5) are 1/4 mainly because of the spacing. And maybe you're right about players getting used to v2b's version thingy.

SPOILER

00:34:631 (5) -
00:35:084 (9) -
01:12:115 (5) -
01:12:569 (9) -
01:13:022 (13) -
01:14:534 (5) -
01:14:987 (9) -
01:15:441 (13) -
01:16:952 (5) -
01:17:405 (9) -
01:17:859 (13) -
01:19:370 (5) -
01:19:824 (9) -
01:20:277 (13) -

these look awesome in my opinion , but when I play, I feel they are a bit hard to read because of how it stacks and my ability of playing.
however, I tried adding NC on these points and they became really easier and fun to read while playing (because of different combo's color indicates more clearly for these points)
but again, all about NC here will ruin the way you NC in the rest of the map.
fixed. And it now looks way readable XD

Good luck !

[/quote]

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-21T19:42:08+00:00

[quote="Garven"]Just doing a quick poke at the Platinum diff since that seems to be in contention. I started in IRC, but since your keyboard is having issues (?) here's your post.

Set your stack leniency to default. There's no reason for it to be so low.
00:12:110 (1) - Sudden .5x -> 1x is rather jarring and generally discouraged in modern mapping due to having much better options available to make such a transition much smoother.
I'm emphasizing the 'sudden' and loud drum beats in the music. And i believe using a x1 slider SV would pretty much fit with the music perfectly.

00:18:458 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Can you spread these out a bit more? Maybe do a slight rotate on them. They're pretty much covered up by hitbursts and a pain to read. "Extra" or not, you want the hit objects to be accessible and readable. Difficulty level doesn't matter.
fixed i guess.

00:34:177 (1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11) - Maybe have more obvious change in this curve so it gives the impression that there is a change like what you did at 00:27:224 (5,7) - and 00:37:956 (3,5,7,9) -
tried to fix by NCing stuff.

00:40:677 (7,8) - This gap in the rhythm is placed oddly. It feels like you're not finishing up the rhythmic phrase. Try deleting the 6 and the 13 for a more natural rhythm. Also on 00:41:810 (6) -
no change sorry. I like the present one rather than your suggestion.

00:44:455 (1) - More with the weird and unfitting .5x stuff. All of that super-slow movement kills any sort of flow you had for 00:53:222 (6,7) - since it's the same part of the same phrase you had mapped prior, but suddenly you have giant spacing for seemingly no reason at all.
have you tried playing it? try playing it instead. You'll notice a good flow of cursor movement without having the bother of giant spacing.

00:57:152 (1,2) - Shouldn't this be 1/3? Slow the song down and listen to it. 1/4 sounds wrong. The end of 2 is snapped right though. There's a bunch in here. You know what to do.
I prefer 1/4. I know it is 1/3. And I believe there is nothing wrong with that.

00:59:268 (2) - This slider is pretty much covered up by hitbursts. but it is much very predictable that the slider head is there. And it's just partly covered so i guess there is nothing wrong with that.

SPOILER

01:11:662 (1) - The emphasis is more on the on-beat rather than the offbeat, so these triples play really awkwardly. It'd play more naturally like this. I'm trying to do v2b style here. D:

Also the same suggestion about making the curve offset with each triple so that it reads easier and stays consistent with the previous patterns.
01:14:080 (1) - Same thing here, blah blah. Applies to other iterations
Same reason as well.

01:38:264 (1,1,1,1) - Please don't new combo spam
Fixed. I did (1,2,1,2) instead. i hope you would let me add a new combo here. This is because I want to help the player's hp go up a little bit before they enter the final part of the diff.

01:56:704 (2,3,4) - Kinda weird spacing considering the even spacing right before it but it is very predictable that it is 1/4.

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-22T04:41:30+00:00

okay, changed all the parts where it needs to be 1/3 according to Charles. Waiting for his response ~

v2b

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v2b 2013-03-22T14:38:44+00:00

Yeah I allow Philippines to copy some of my concepts.

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-22T15:42:05+00:00

thank you v2b <3

Charles445

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Charles445 2013-03-22T21:46:38+00:00

v2b wrote:

Yeah I allow Philippines to copy some of my concepts.

Okay, great!

Kokatsu

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Kokatsu 2013-03-23T11:23:28+00:00

Bubble! - Bubble! - Bubble!

/me cheers. o3o

OnosakiHito

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OnosakiHito 2013-03-23T14:54:40+00:00

Used qoot8123 and wmfchris mod. Thanks guys.
Also, I have finally my Taiko BG which is rankable. Just delete the SB in my difficultie please. After that everything is finished.

Download: http://puu.sh/2mvlY

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-24T01:06:14+00:00

Updated. Let's go.

Charles445

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Charles445 2013-03-24T22:58:23+00:00

Ranking BAT, please have an extra look at the taikos. The oni and muzu play well, but the iinner oni has some oddities that I can't put my finger on.
There isn't any reason to not bubble this, so yeah rebubbled.

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-25T01:09:59+00:00

Okay. Thanks Charles! XD

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XK2238 2013-03-25T09:19:08+00:00

Last edited by XK2238 2013-03-27T12:53:08+00:00, edited 1 time in total.

kirinokirino

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kirinokirino 2013-03-25T20:36:23+00:00

Amazing, masterpiece!

Kurai

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Kurai 2013-03-27T16:23:08+00:00

[Ono's Taiko Inner Oni]

02:07:284 (1) - Not sure if this finish is fine. Just at the end of a 1/4 stream at 198 BPM so ...

[Gold]

01:32:823 (2,1) - In my opinion this anti-jump is a bad idea, you can't really predict it, so it ight confuse the player. I'd rather you changed the spacing to something that feels more natural and intuitive.

That's all I have to say here ~

Love

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Love 2013-03-27T16:42:46+00:00

Kurai wrote:
[Ono's Taiko Inner Oni]
02:07:284 (1) - Not sure if this finish is fine. Just at the end of a 1/4 stream at 198 BPM so ...

Unrankable, especially at this bpm, should be red.

LKs

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LKs 2013-03-28T03:57:44+00:00

http://puu.sh/2pk1j

fixed. no overlap anymore

OnosakiHito

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OnosakiHito 2013-03-28T12:34:22+00:00

Love wrote:
Kurai wrote:
[Ono's Taiko Inner Oni]
02:07:284 (1) - Not sure if this finish is fine. Just at the end of a 1/4 stream at 198 BPM so ...
Unrankable, especially at this bpm, should be red.

Taiko Ranking Criteria wrote:
Finish notes

Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream.

At the end, finish streams may be allowed if there is a reasonable sound for it under following pattern constellations: xxxxxxxxO, xxxxooooX, xxooxxooX

Anyway, I told Philippines to delete note 02:07:209 (4) - so we have ddddkkk D. Didn't used any of these patterns before, that's the reason for deleting it.

Thanks!

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-28T12:35:15+00:00

Changelog:

1. [Gold] LKs fixed the overlap Kurai pointed.
2. [Platinum] Fixed the flow of circles in a stream on 01:49:071 (8,1,2).
3. [Platinum]Fixed the slider on 02:00:029 (1). I made it parallel again. (who made it unparallel? D:)
4. [Inner Oni] Deleted a note on 02:07:209 (4) to fix what Kurai pointed.

Updated. Let's go!

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Kurai 2013-03-28T14:43:03+00:00

sshhh

Cygnus

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Cygnus 2013-03-28T14:44:55+00:00

WHAT THE! YOU SURPRISED ME!