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Purple
Try paying attention to follow-points as they will become visible before the actual circles.
silmarilen
not when there is a new combo tho.
Tom69
Just play a lot high AR maps. You will become used to it after some time, it might take several months though.
Playing a lot of HardRock really helps there. :)
winber1

Purlpo wrote:

Try paying attention to follow-points as they will become visible before the actual circles.
Honestly, I have to say this is probably a bad idea. You should really just get reaction time. This can help sometimes, such as on slow sections/draining sections, but doing this on other parts of the map is much less efficient than just reacting to the approach rate. Also, if patterns start to overlap, it becomes impossible to understand where the follow points are leading to.
Sup A Noob
Practice, practice and more practice. I'm flabbergasted people still make threads about things which require practice. There really isn't something like a shortcut to getting better you know?

Also, I'd say it's easier to use peripheral vision to track the location of the next circle rather than using follow points to do the same. I never quite figured out how people manage to concentrate on both follow points and knowing when there is a new combo without fucking up on one of those aspects, if there are.

Or just play Can't Defeat Airman.
G0r
What gets me is that we see so many threads requesting help on "getting from x level to x level." This thread is a little less guilty than those; but, in fact, there have been a thousand threads about these subjects. I'm not complaining, though. I enjoy giving advice to people.
Aqo

winber1 wrote:

(on followpoints -) Honestly, I have to say this is probably a bad idea.
It's not entirely bad... you're correct that just having the reaction speed is good enough, but being able to react to followpoints can make reacting to sudden sv changes easier. It's most noticable on maps that really don't follow distance spacing at all, if you suddenly see a huge line of followpoints over the entire screen (and it doesn't start from a circle that's already visible) then you can know a new combo with a huge sv/spacing is incoming and you also know where the two potential circle starts for it are a moment earlier than they actually become visible for you.
G0r
I hardly ever superliminally notice followpoints, but I believe that they have a subliminal effect on my target finding.
Aqo

G0r wrote:

I hardly ever superliminally notice followpoints, but I believe that they have a subliminal effect on my target finding.
You don't really notice them until you start playing maps with fullscreen circlejumps

have fun
silmarilen

Aqo wrote:

G0r wrote:

I hardly ever superliminally notice followpoints, but I believe that they have a subliminal effect on my target finding.
You don't really notice them until you start playing maps with fullscreen circlejumps

have fun
oh look its (probably) another unrankable piece of shit map
XGeneral2000

G0r wrote:

What gets me is that we see so many threads requesting help on "getting from x level to x level." This thread is a little less guilty than those; but, in fact, there have been a thousand threads about these subjects. I'm not complaining, though. I enjoy giving advice to people.
Probably because high-skill Top 40 replays for every map are readily available to everyone. Players, especially newer ones, are more driven to improve than have fun, which makes them overly conscious of their skill level and their rate of progress. I'm guessing that makes them somewhat impatient, and when they see that they're playing the same difficulty maps as last week, they feel like they're not getting better while everyone else is somehow moving from lol-plinking Normals to SS'ing Insanes in a couple weeks. Which leads them to think there's some kind of secret training regime everyone else knows about but isn't letting on.

Meanwhile, more experienced players don't really know how to help, since I think most people develop their own skills over a long period of time and many plays using techniques that are comfortable for them (with maybe a few pointers here and there, like turning off mouse acceleration and "get a tablet lol"). So they tell the OP in question how they play. Then everyone else does the same, and the thread turns into a "whose playstyle is better" argument while the OP quickly thanks everyone and ducks out forever.

tl;dr Practice
winber1
I never said people shouldn't use them. I'm just saying that don't train AR10 by looking at follow points. That isn't going to make AR10 easier. Yes I do use them, but it's rare, and as I said, it's usually for slower sections where I actually have time to look at them.

Also

Aqo wrote:

have fun
lol dat map.
Tom69
I completely deleted my followpoints a few months ago and didn't feel any difference. Except that they weren't annoying me anymore.


silmarilen wrote:

oh look its (probably) another unrankable piece of shit map
Thanks for the compliment. <3
G0r

XGeneral2000 wrote:

Meanwhile, more experienced players don't really know to help, since I think most people develop their own skills over a long period of time and many plays using techniques that are comfortable for them (with maybe a few pointers here and there, like turning off mouse acceleration and "get a tablet lol"). So they tell the OP in question how they play. Then everyone else does the same, and the thread turns into a "whose playstyle is better" argument while the OP quickly thanks everyone and ducks out forever.
Lol! This made me laugh pretty hard. I think that this is exactly what I've seen in every one of those threads. They ask this general question, everyone tries to help, then we all argue about the theory of certain playing techniques, and then the OP says, "K, thx, bye!" and we never see them again. XD

I think you're right about all of this. What I meant, though, is that I'd think that by now most of these people would just read the one thousand previous posts, with the exact same subject matter, to get their answers.
Purple
Ok, IDK what I was going for when I mentioned FollowPoints.

To get better at AR10 you have to practice it. But, practicing it can be kind of detrimental because your accuracy will be garbage. So you just have to tough it out. Keep practicing with NoFail. If your accuracy is up from your last play then you are getting better and you are making progress.

Eventually your brain is going to click and you will suddenly be able to do it..

Thats what I did, except I payed attention to followpoints to make practice a little bit easier. You don't need to though to effectively do AR10.


OH BTW, when you get good at AR10, you'll notice it is NOTHING compared to OD10. You will also get addicted to it and AR08 will become unbearably slow.


tl;dr Practice. Followpoints are training wheels. OD10 and AR08 are worse.
lolcubes
Followpoints are a double edged sword. They can be very useful, especially on some more unexpected spacing changes, but when you have a low spacing pattern all you see is a clusterfuck of dots or flowers, depending on the skin.
I still like them though, don't really play that much AR10 anyway.

Purlpo wrote:

Followpoints are training wheels. OD10 and AR08 are worse.
Actually, AR8 and OD10 is quite awesome to train your accuracy on. It's a bit too harsh maybe, so OD9 is a better choice, but it's not really a bad thing to play on at all. It's just a different kind of training, where you don't need physical strength or insane reaction, just the finesse and technique to succeed. This helps in coordination as well, where certain jumps and patterns just occur naturally to you (and yes lots of 4+4 or 4+2 short stream combinations too).
Purple

lolcubes wrote:

Purlpo wrote:

Followpoints are training wheels. OD10 and AR08 are worse.
Actually, AR8 and OD10 is quite awesome to train your accuracy on. It's a bit too harsh maybe, so OD9 is a better choice, but it's not really a bad thing to play on at all. It's just a different kind of training, where you don't need physical strength or insane reaction, just the finesse and technique to succeed. This helps in coordination as well, where certain jumps and patterns just occur naturally to you (and yes lots of 4+4 or 4+2 short stream combinations too).
I understand. I play OD10 somewhat frequently to improve at it. It is still a horrible thing though. From my experience, getting a 3% improvement on OD10 over a month is quite an accomplishment.

PS. I forgot to mention; play with the background dimmed all the way down or, if you are feeling naughty, delete the background so you have a black screen instead. It helps a lot.
darkmiz

Purlpo wrote:

PS. I forgot to mention; play with the background dimmed all the way down or, if you are feeling naughty, delete the background so you have a black screen instead. It helps a lot.
Yes. Dimmed background (and no video) is a must for HR or HD.
Winshley
So I'm the one who's being a weirdo for memorizing all the notes' location for AR10 maps then? :P

This diff + HR is probably good for starters since it's quite easy to follow through... :roll:
Liut
Also i don't know why but when i took 1 month break and i came back i was able to read higher ar , like some insane with hr , when before i couldn't even do most of hard diffs+hr ...
so just take your times.
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