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144hz or 240hz monitor

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notKaho
Hey guys, I been using a 60hz panel for osu, so i want to upgrade my monitor. However, should i get the 240hz over the 144hz monitor or the other way around?
Agritite
your budget. 144 is sufficient for me so i picked 144hz 2k over 240hz 1080.
Implojin
240hz is nice to have, I don't think I'd want to go back to 144hz, the difference is very noticeable

But it's pretty expensive, and you still have to git gud

Deciding based on your budget is a good call

(In truth, I wish some monitor manufacturer would hurry up and release 480hz 1080p, those 0.3ms panels should be fast enough but the only 480hz on the market is that zisworks@540p with the ancient panel; then the only problem would be selling a kidney to afford a 3080ti or whatever to run it)
KotoriIsMyWaifu
you don't need 240hz if you only play osu, I'm using 144hz and it's good enough
Ag_U
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Implojin

Ag_U wrote:

Now I can't resist the urge to go browsing 240Hz screens on Amazon, even when I already have 144Hz. Thx.
Apparently the LG 27GK750F-B can do backlight strobing/blur reduction @240hz when most of the other models can't, just throwing that out there for you, I haven't used that one to compare latency but people seem to be happy with it

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3823

There are a bunch of 0.3ms panels on the way, too

https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5508


I have a PG258Q and you probably don't want to get one of the old 1st gen 240hz monitors here in late 2019, these old ones only strobe up to 144hz and their panels can barely do 4ms grey to grey. I'm happy with it, but I wouldn't buy this monitor today unless it were on a huge sale.
aemo
144hz works fine for me, Unless you have extra money I wouldn't buy a 240hz
Ag_U
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abraker
16.7 ms (60 Hz) to 6.9 ms (144 Hz) is a 9.8 ms difference.

6.9 ms (144 Hz) to 4.2 ms (240 Hz) is a 2.7 ms difference.
Implojin

Ag_U wrote:

EDIT: to clarify, Google tells me that your monitor is still like 550€+ :D
Yeah I only have this monitor because amazon was selling a bunch of them with external box damage with a heavy discount at the time, I think someone in one of their warehouses fucked up a pallet and a few people got lucky.

The Asus XG258Q is the same thing but with a freesync scaler instead of nvidia's gsync module, it was released later after amd pressured nvidia into the freesync thing, it's a bit less expensive*, and it's supposed to be a little faster too.

*(The nvidia module adds a lot to the BOM and actually prevents most monitor overclocking so it's better to get one of the freesync monitors. Benq monitors have their own scalers and are also pretty good.)

Re: The AW2518HF: Definitely check out the blur busters forums for info on this monitor, I've seen mixed reviews:
https://forums.blurbusters.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5415&p=42112&hilit=AW2518HF#p42109
I can confirm that overdrive ghosting is a thing even on the PG258Q (although it's pretty okay with "normal" OD setting); I'd be wary of any first gen 240hz monitor that people are saying had bad ghosting.

(People on that forum can be very exacting with their image quality standards, so don't necessarily take their opinions at face value, either; look for reviews with image quality pictures if you can.)


The tftcentral review of the new Acer XF252Q looks /very/ impressive, but if you don't need a monitor right this second it might be a good idea to wait a little bit and see what the other mfrs do with the new panels

https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/acer_nitro_xf252q.htm#detailed_response <-- new panel, AUO M250HTN01.9, much faster, lower latency panel == better picture quality assuming the rest of the monitor electronics can keep up
https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_rog_swift_pg258q.htm#detailed_response <-- old panel, AUO M250HTN01.8, g2g transitions aren't always fast enough to keep up with 240hz, average and worst case latency for this monitor was pretty good for the first gen of 240hz, but it's going to be slower than good monitors using newer panels

abraker wrote:

16.7 ms (60 Hz) to 6.9 ms (144 Hz) is a 9.8 ms difference.

6.9 ms (144 Hz) to 4.2 ms (240 Hz) is a 2.7 ms difference.
It's also:
66% more temporal framedata for your brain to parse
~3ms lower pixel persistence which has a huge impact on non-strobed motion blur (== image clarity)
Faster monitor electronics/scaler == lower absolute frame latency, even at the same hz refresh
Faster panel == lower pixel transition latency, even at the same hz refresh
Potentially higher hz strobing available, depending on the monitor (== huge improvement to image clarity, with less added blanking latency at higher hz)

Latency reduction from faster hz refresh is important, but there are other effects too. These all affect how quickly your brain can parse and respond to changes in the frame.

https://www.blurbusters.com/gtg-versus-mprt-frequently-asked-questions-about-display-pixel-response/


None of this will make anyone magically better at osu. You still have to git gud, but better monitor tech is very nice to have. LCDs are a lot better now than they used to be, but they still have drawbacks and there's a lot of headroom for monitors to continue to improve.
szkiller
144
Momori
240hz isn't necessary for osu, 144hz should do u just fine.
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