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MrSergio wrote:

no thanks
I consider it more to be a demo sound than an actual "song". 25 sec? Huh....
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25s seems a bit arbitrary becuase then all that would happen is people start trying to rank 24s songs, and then the problem repeats itself. since nao said that the main purpose is to cater for the inconvenient songs that are just below the rankable minimum (because for some reason song artists cant count to 30), we could just make exceptions based on the song, if there's nothing else available, and if the difference is small i.e. ~1s or so
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making case by case exceptions is just gonna lead to more moronic reddit threads honestly. and do you really trust qats to handle case by case things consistently? XD

@ everyone saying to map a real song: i map plenty of long songs and i also happen to enjoy mapping anime openings, some of which are 28 or 29 seconds of audio in their official release. if that isn't a real song to you then feel free to not play them lol.

obviously i am not trying to get ppl to rank 25s cuts, the point is that the official release of some songs IS LESS THAN 30 SECONDS and having to fuck with the song in some way to rank it is stupid. the rule can simply be, if the official release / tv size of the song is less than 30 seconds then it does not need to be edited to 30s to be rankable. i can show you plenty of maps where not editing the song would result in a perfectly viable 29 second long song. it's just easier than having to extend a synth note at the end which sounds awful or add in a piano note or whistles or something.
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u do realize that sooner or later there will be similar shit with 20 second songs and 15 second songs right?

its just a matter of respect to the rules tbh

when you see Lasse ranking shit with snap issues, then some unmodded shit at all, and then this - no shit you gonna be questioning whether they are there for Quality or for lols

this mapping game is such a joke now, it used to be laughable a year ago when sotarks' circlejerk came into QAT, now its just depressing

And you know, whats even more depressing is that all QAT > NAT restructure took a fucking 6 months of time and still not done yet.

Ephemeral been always telling me "stagnancy is our enemy" shit but how come on earth it take so much fucking time to figure out whats wrong and whats not, who cares about the game standards and who doesnt? Like, come the fuck on.

New year, same shit.
posted
k posts that have actual input please
posted
As you said, changing the rule in order to allow songs shorter than 30 seconds to be ranked if it's an official release/tv size version would work because it would disallow artificial cuts of that length.
How about something like
Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is shorter than 30 seconds.
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Serizawa Haruki wrote:

As you said, changing the rule in order to allow songs shorter than 30 seconds to be ranked if it's an official release/tv size version would work because it would disallow artificial cuts of that length.
How about something like
Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is shorter than 30 seconds.
Hold my beer brb
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In order to prohibit songs below 25 seconds as well, it could simply be changed to

Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is between 25 and 30 seconds long, in that case it must have a minimum drain time of 25 seconds.
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Then in the further future there will be a request to change it to

Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is between 20 and 30 seconds long, in that case it must have a minimum drain time of 20 seconds.

At the very least there needs to be justification why a minimum of 25 seconds should be allowed but not 20 or 24. Is this just to allow an exception due to recent events, or is there a legitimate reason why an official release up to 5 seconds shorter than what is currently should be allowed and not any shorter than that?
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abraker wrote:

Then in the further future there will be a request to change it to

Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds unless the official release of the song is between 20 and 30 seconds long, in that case it must have a minimum drain time of 20 seconds.

At the very least there needs to be justification why a minimum of 25 seconds should be allowed but not 20 or 24. Is this just to allow an exception due to recent events, or is there are legitimate reason why an official release 5 seconds shorter than what is allowable currently should be allowed but not any shorter than that?
The reason is that many songs happen to be just below 30 seconds, like 28 or 29. I have never seen a song that's 24 or less seconds long (except the meme one you linked).
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I propose to word it as such:
Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds. In the case of official song releases, the drain time is rounded up to the nearest 5th second.

This way it would be:

19s -> 20s
20s -> 20s
21s -> 25s
22s -> 25s
23s -> 25s
24s -> 25s
25s -> 25s
26s -> 30s
27s -> 30s
28s -> 30s
29s -> 30s
30s -> 30s
... and so on

Wording it like this is better because:

1) It clearly gives the intent of the rule. Phrasing it in terms of rounding describes the point much better than explicitly stating the lengths. It is to allow music that are close to being 30s, as you said

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

The reason is that many songs happen to be just below 30 seconds, like 28 or 29.
2) Indicating an actual minimal length "25 seconds" opens up a door to future proposals trying to make it lower for whatever good or bad reasons the proposer may have. Wording it as "rounded up to the nearest 5th second" makes it far, far harder for someone to propose a rule change that allows a lower minimum drain time without changing the wording to include explicit lengths. Changing the wording of this to explicit lengths would jeopardize the point of this wording as stated in the 1st reason.
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abraker wrote:

I propose to word it as such:
Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds. In the case of official song releases, the drain time is rounded up to the nearest 5th second.

This way it would be:

19s -> 20s
20s -> 20s
21s -> 25s
22s -> 25s
23s -> 25s
24s -> 25s
25s -> 25s
26s -> 30s
27s -> 30s
28s -> 30s
29s -> 30s
30s -> 30s
... and so on

Wording it like this is better because:

1) It clearly gives the intent of the rule. Phrasing it in terms of rounding describes the point much better than explicitly stating the lengths. It is to allow music that are close to being 30s, as you said

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

The reason is that many songs happen to be just below 30 seconds, like 28 or 29.
2) Indicating an actual minimal length "25 seconds" opens up a door to future proposals trying to make it lower for whatever good or bad reasons the proposer may have. Wording it as "rounded up to the nearest 5th second" makes it far, far harder for someone to propose a rule change that allows a lower minimum drain time without changing the wording to include explicit lengths. Changing the wording of this to explicit lengths would jeopardize the point of this wording as stated in the 1st reason.
This doesn't make sense to me because the goal isn't to allow songs of all lengths, the goal is to find a solution for those 28 or 29 second maps. Also, I don't understand your wording about the rounding up, what exactly is being rounded up? The minimum drain time? If yes, I don't see how that solves the issue of needing to extend songs for the sake of rankability. As I said, further proposals would most likely not go through because there are nearly no songs below 25 seconds and even if there were, these would be really rare and the community wouldn't wanna let them get ranked
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Serizawa Haruki wrote:

This doesn't make sense to me because the goal isn't to allow songs of all lengths, the goal is to find a solution for those 28 or 29 second maps.
I chose 5 seconds because it's close to what the title of this proposal suggests. If lengths no shorter than 28 seconds is desired, then rounding up to the nearest 3 seconds is more suitable.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

Also, I don't understand your wording about the rounding up, what exactly is being rounded up? The minimum drain time?
Not the minimum drain time, but the drain time of the map as reported by the game.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

As I said, further proposals would most likely not go through because there are nearly no songs below 25 seconds and even if there were, these would be really rare and the community wouldn't wanna let them get ranked
While true, I don't see the harm in increasing the quality of the wording this way.

I have adjusted the wording to address the issues:

Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds. In the case of official song releases, the drain time of the map as reported by the game is rounded up to the nearest 3rd second.
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abraker wrote:

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

This doesn't make sense to me because the goal isn't to allow songs of all lengths, the goal is to find a solution for those 28 or 29 second maps.
I chose 5 seconds because it's close to what the title of this proposal suggests. If lengths no shorter than 28 seconds is desired, then rounding up to the nearest 3 seconds is more suitable.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

Also, I don't understand your wording about the rounding up, what exactly is being rounded up? The minimum drain time?
Not the minimum drain time, but the drain time of the map as reported by the game.

Serizawa Haruki wrote:

As I said, further proposals would most likely not go through because there are nearly no songs below 25 seconds and even if there were, these would be really rare and the community wouldn't wanna let them get ranked
While true, I don't see the harm in increasing the quality of the wording this way.

I have adjusted the wording to address the issues:

Every difficulty of a beatmapset must have a minimum drain time of 30 seconds. In the case of official song releases, the drain time of the map as reported by the game is rounded up to the nearest 3rd second.
This whole rounding thing seems unnecessarily complicated though. Making it seem like the map has more drain time than it actually has is confusing and could cause misunderstandings. Doing the opposite (accepting maps that are between 25 and 30 seconds if they're official) seems simpler to me honestly. The number 25 was chosen because it's a round number unlike 27 or 28
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I wonder how it can be confusing and cause misunderstanding since I tried my best to avoid any possibility of such.

While a bit more complicated, it also has more purpose behind it. A trade-off of sorts

At the end both variants work, so it comes down to what people value/prefer more.
posted
yes
pls do that so i can map my samsung galaxy s10 double sim 128 go white ringtone
posted
a 30 second requirement seems perfectly reasonable. Nothing shorter is needed. Stop being lazy.
posted
Because the point of ranking beatmaps is to add playable content to this game, I think messing with audio of songs just to get it one or two seconds longer doesn't add anything of quality. Instead, it is to abide by a rule. (Sometimes even making gameplay more awkward or unintuitive.) Playing a 28 second song compared to a 30 second song is unnoticeable and doesn't effect gameplay. I think 25 seconds is a reasonable compromise, especially considering most of these 'just barely' songs are in the range of 28 - 29.9 seconds.

Many of the arguments against 25 seconds is that the same awkward extensions would begin happening. The flaw with this is there are far, far more songs that are 25 - 29 seconds than there are songs that are 20 - 24 seconds.


@tatatat Laziness has nothing to do with mapping anime openings that you enjoy, especially when it's only a two second difference.
posted
I also don't see the need for lowering the minimum requirement since you can just add R3 Music Box to lengthen the song like that one Dragonforce song :thonk:
posted
minimum is gonna stay at 30s. songs that are near the threshold can be extended if that's doable, and poor extensions should be managed through means other than lowering the minimum length requirement. (think of what types of extensions aren't acceptable and word that into a rule if that's an outstanding concern here)
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