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EneT
It still gets hit for half health if you switch it into stealth rock though.

Choice scarfers and priority users outspeed Lopunny. On the team my friend gave I primarily use the choice scarfed Landorus-T to handle Mega Lopunny.

Navizel wrote:

My point still stands. There's no difference if you use HJK after/before Fake Out. It was a miniscule damage anyway.
10% isn't miniscule and a lot of times can decide a game. If High Jump Kick missed lopunny would have died and I would have nothing to beat that Heatran well as it walled the rest of my team apart from Excadrill who was dead. The reason why stealth rock is so good and needed in pretty much every team is because it better guarantees a OHKO so you don't have to rely on a low/high roll on moves that sit on the 80-100% mark. If you don't know what I mean by that, every move does not have a guaranteed set damage, the damage you do is also based on luck because there's a minimum and a maximum and the game rolls to determine what damage you get. Alot of moves sit at the 80-100% damage possibility mark so stealth rock helps with that. That being said, 10% is definitely not miniscule.

Here's a good example I found. As you can see Outrage has a chance of dealing 86.9 - 102.1% damage and by clicking on it you can see the probability of it being OHKO is only 18.8%


Earth quake on the other hand only does 10% more damage but by clicking on it you can see:

It has an 81.3% chance of being an OHKO. It may only be a 10% difference in damage but it's a massive increase in chance so whoever says 10% damage is miniscule in pokemon is wrong.
Navizel
Of course I know lol. Do you really think I don't know that even though I play competitive. Not sure what's the comparison for. Obviously EQ does more cause it's super effective to Raikou. Yeah SR and other entry hazards are annoying but that's why you have Excadrill right? Also without SR Tflame can sweep most of the pokemon in the meta before they can even move because priority Brave Bird.
EneT
Exactly the reason why I chose it as my priority move user.
PyaKura
@EneT yes WoW is a solid spammable move early game when you don't wanna predict switches, but in my case I already have M-Gardevoir as a burn spreader. Really depends on which physical sweepers may cause you trouble though. And no I don't run BB + Acrobatics, the damage difference is negligible and I prefer a situational Natural Gift over replacing any other moves apart from Taunt. But as I said this is only because my team allows me to do so, I have not taken a close look to your team so idk. Taunt is obviously a good move if you are confident you can eliminate what stands in Talonflame's way, unlike me lol.

Also Ho-oh has 4x rocks and was/is Uber. Ninjask back in DPPt was OU (okay, it was a suicide BP lead). Well nowadays a lot of the new Pokémon (including Megas) have either insane stats and/or abilities so the tradeoff is well worth it (off the top of my head Talon and M-Pinsir). I'm only a bit disappointed by the limited number of spinners available to support SR-weak mons as I find Defog clunky to use, especially since I like to lay down mine right off the bat and phaze like a bitch until enough hazard damage is done.
EneT
Okay, thank you.

Ho-oh's overly bulky stats allowed it to switch into SR though and thus made it a must ban, especially if you were running a toxic stall Ho-oh with recover/roost.
Faust
Was facing a few players online through Pokemon Alpha Sapphire after a year of not playing others and god damn is every single team except Japanese people full of Legendaries.

Still managed to woop their asses though.

I did better in Triples than in Doubles, running a team of Garchomp, Aerodactyl, Metagross, Dusknoir, Milotic & (Mega) Kangaskhan.

Aerodactyl having the highest kill rate since I one-shot the flying-type legendaries like Ho-Oh, Yvetal & Rayquaza etc.
Mega Kangaskhan doing a nice job of having explosive damage after bringing in for Retaliate (pretty much kills everything)
followed by Power-Up Punch if I encounter a wall.
Let it have Sucker Punch just in case, and Outrage for sweeping though I wouldn't like Return (Didn't bother to make it max friendly)
EneT

Faust wrote:

Was facing a few players online through Pokemon Alpha Sapphire after a year of not playing others and god damn is every single team except Japanese people full of Legendaries.

Still managed to woop their asses though.

I did better in Triples than in Doubles, running a team of Garchomp, Aerodactyl, Metagross, Dusknoir, Milotic & (Mega) Kangaskhan.

Aerodactyl having the highest kill rate since I one-shot the flying-type legendaries like Ho-Oh, Yvetal & Rayquaza etc.
Mega Kangaskhan doing a nice job of having explosive damage after bringing in for Retaliate (pretty much kills everything)
followed by Power-Up Punch if I encounter a wall.
Let it have Sucker Punch just in case, and Outrage for sweeping though I wouldn't like Return (Didn't bother to make it max friendly)
That's why I don't like wi-fi battles; mostly filled with kids with Uber-tier pokemon, that being said, Mega Kangaskhan is also an Uber-tier pokemon, so using it makes you no better than them. The lower tier you go, the more quality the pokemon battles have so I generally like UU and NU better.
Faust
Except my team isn't entirely consisted of Legendaries, I've faced just about every single combination you can come up with if you mix and match every Legendary there is and I'm not kidding.

That's why I don't really have a hard time with them anymore. I already know what's coming.
The best battles I've had were with the Japs and their tricky line-ups.
They're fucking insane in Triples, I almost can't believe it.
EneT
Just play on the Battle Spot if you want to stop playing against those teams. Battle spot restricts the use of legendaries above 600 base stats but even then, it doesn't restrict bullshit like Speed Boost Blaziken, Aegislash, M-Kangaskhan, M-Mawile, M-Lucario, M-Salamence and Protean Greninja; in turn, it restricts legendaries that aren't even considered bannable or over-powered like Jirachi and Manaphy. Nintendo and the pokemon 3DS scene in general has poor balancing.
Faust
Yup. I have to say the last time I went online I didn't encounter so many same-Pokemon teams.

I pulled out Mega Kangaskan as an alternative to Mega Aerodactyl when I get really sick of it.

I prefer the latter, which is my main offensive sweeper for the team.
Tough Claws + Fly is enough to decimate plenty of non-resistant Pokemon.
Navizel
hahahahaha how the fuck is kangaskhan op hahaha like nigga use gallade hahahahahaha

also Mythical Legendaries are banned cause not everyone can get them.
Blazevoir
So... gonna break this convo for a moment. This was posted recently:

EneT

Navizel wrote:

hahahahaha how the fuck is kangaskhan op hahaha like nigga use gallade hahahahahaha
That argument is invalid because if that was the case then any fighting type pokemon could beat kangaskhan. It can just fake out dealing 50% health then switch out while Gallade gets OHKO by every single priority user. With your argument you can say that a pokemon like Mewtwo isn't OP because it gets one shot by Sucker Punch which is stupid because it is still OP.

Competitive in DS is a lot less about strategy and more about who can make the best team so in a strategic standpoint, it is very un-balanced. With Smogon rules they take account all strategic and tactical possibilities and balance the game by placing pokemon in tiers. M-Kangaskhan is just OP, well tested by thousands of people by using against other top tier teams and it is a cut above anything in OU, hence why it belongs in Uber class while M-Gallade just borderlines the bottom of OU.
Navizel
except MGallade has Inner Focus and Kang is already dead before it can even switch. Although some are maybe smart enough to go straight for Sucker Punch and if that's the case, you can probably get a free SD.

also that was a joke. Kang is OP yes but Gallade counters her.
Faust
Mega Gallade wouldn't be stopped by Fake-Out yeah and 1 Sucker Punch is still not enough after trading hits unless they op for Shadow Claw or something.
EneT
itsss ya boi Azumarill with the 1744 attack stat
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-422429473

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Also fuck this cancer
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-422454411
Blazevoir


We're also getting more Sun/Moon news 5 days from now, according to Serebii.
Navizel
La Volpe
So... Pokemon snap is back in Pokemon Sun/Moon?! Awesome!
Blazevoir
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