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I like this.Azure_Kite wrote:
Here's a little something I made a while back, but meh. Maybe it'll help. http://puu.sh/sviV
friendok53
I've been studying for over a year now, and for me, the language itself is relatively simple. Kanji's a bitch though, for each kanji you have to eventually memorize its meaning, anywhere from 2 to 5 different pronunciations, stroke order (optional, but I prefer to learn it), and it's associated jukugos (kinda like compound words, there are A LOT). And if you want to be able to read the newspaper, you have to know about 2000 (I suppose about 1250 for daily life though). This site is helpful for kanji, and this program is helpful for memorizing them. You said that you wont learn kanji, which is fine but you won't really be able to read any Japanese (except the rare cases w/ furigana). I suggest that if you want to learn a language you learn to speak, read, and write it though. Also, I think having a teacher (as apposed to self-study, autodidact style) is helpful because they can give you homework and speak to you in japanese. However, if you have the motivation learning by yourself is definitely possible (PS DON'T DO ROSETTA STONE, try Genki).
tldr: For me personally, it'll take a pretty damn long time, about 3-4 years if I keep the pace of learning right now. Don't know about you, but maybe if you've learned a language before you can guess how long it'll take for you. Trust me, it's very rewarding and fun though if you're interested in anime/Japanese culture~
tldr: For me personally, it'll take a pretty damn long time, about 3-4 years if I keep the pace of learning right now. Don't know about you, but maybe if you've learned a language before you can guess how long it'll take for you. Trust me, it's very rewarding and fun though if you're interested in anime/Japanese culture~
Shohei Ohtani
It'll definately be harder to learn then like, spanish or french, since Japanese isn't a latin based language like (I'm assuming) you currently are a native speaker in. Stuff like sentence structure and the sound of letters would be completely different and stuff~.
From my friend who speaks it, she says that it's easier to speak then to write -3-.
Right now, my only knowledge of learning japanese would either to take a class or buy Rosetta Stone (which is pretty expensive, but from what I hear, it works).
From my friend who speaks it, she says that it's easier to speak then to write -3-.
Right now, my only knowledge of learning japanese would either to take a class or buy Rosetta Stone (which is pretty expensive, but from what I hear, it works).
Actually it doesn't need "no"，according to my knowledge of Chinese, which in some cases is similar to Japanese (especially the Kanji)Tenshi wrote:
You forgot the "no."friendok53 wrote:
here is lesson number one
repeat after me
watashi baka
"no" is の, or 的 in Chinese.
So if you say watashi no baka it actually means my baka (my idiot), referring to someone else.
The more appropriate sentence would be watashi wa baka desu!~ (/me runs)
And no i'm not an expert sorry, I may be wrong. Learning Japanese would go much smoother if you have been exposed to other Asian languages before, sort of like how European languages have similarities.
I can vouch for this - I'm Korean and I'd say my knowledge of the language helped me a whole lot with learning Japanese (I've been studying Japanese for a little over 3 years, btw)-A t H e N a- wrote:
Learning Japanese would go much smoother if you have been exposed to other Asian languages before, sort of like how European languages have similarities.
Though like everyone said, it really -is- all about commitment
I believe this belongs in GD, just saying.
And yea you need commitment to learn any language, even the Finnish "sticks and stones" \:D/.
And yea you need commitment to learn any language, even the Finnish "sticks and stones" \:D/.
I reckon you should learn English before Japanese.
This is pretty nice!Azure_Kite wrote:
Here's a little something I made a while back, but meh. Maybe it'll help. http://puu.sh/sviV
friendok53
i'd recommend you to learn english too PokebisPokebis wrote:
Do this until you know the kana and then just play Pokemon games in Japanese. They don't use kanji so you should be good.
After you're a Pokemon master; learn the kanji or something.
But Mr Color is right, English is a far more useful language. Learn English before you learn Japanese.
kawaii desuuuu~
Actually, I know someone IRL who basically self-taught himself by watching anime, reading visual novels, and using a dictionary.
He started around three years ago and is fluent with it now.
I myself am only interested in the conversational stuff and not that committed, so I'm just watching anime and listening to them talk while reading the subtitles.
I can understand some parts now.
He started around three years ago and is fluent with it now.
I myself am only interested in the conversational stuff and not that committed, so I'm just watching anime and listening to them talk while reading the subtitles.
I can understand some parts now.
It was a joke.-A t H e N a- wrote:
Actually it doesn't need "no"，according to my knowledge of Chinese, which in some cases is similar to Japanese (especially the Kanji)Tenshi wrote:
You forgot the "no."
"no" is の, or 的 in Chinese.
So if you say watashi no baka it actually means my baka (my idiot), referring to someone else.
The more appropriate sentence would be watashi wa baka desu!~ (/me runs)
Seems I completely missed it then, I apologize, this is off-topic XD
yes i agree this thread belongs in otaku forum
its not stupid enough for off topic, just boring
its not stupid enough for off topic, just boring
i can understand Japanese language since i start watching anime 
i dont know why but i buy also dictionary for that xD
i dont know why but i buy also dictionary for that xDGet a Japanese teacher that's a slavedriver.
Problem solved!
Problem solved!
Then, your life becomes...Ekaru wrote:
Get a Japanese teacher that's a slavedriver.
Problem solved!
Anime: Your Life
Genre: Slice of Life
Number of episodes: Forever
If you havent learnt any japanese yet
Go get Moekana xD
I got mine for collection owo
Go get Moekana xD
I got mine for collection owo
Culture Japan!!Yuu-Chii wrote:
If you havent learnt any japanese yet
Go get Moekana xD
I got mine for collection owo
Those Moekana are so moe! Unfortunately, I already learned Hiragana & Katakana...
Get them for collection , just like me owoThe Ribbon Red wrote:
Culture Japan!!Yuu-Chii wrote:
If you havent learnt any japanese yet
Go get Moekana xD
I got mine for collection owo
Those Moekana are so moe! Unfortunately, I already learned Hiragana & Katakana...
I actually got it at retail price so yeah Dx
I bought mine and i got danny to sign on my moekana card
Ill puush it if u want to see
Oh and danny mentioned, he is working on moekanji
Starting with 1st grade kanjis
I suppose I will, some time in the future.Yuu-Chii wrote:
Get them for collection , just like me owo
I actually got it at retail price so yeah Dx
I bought mine and i got danny to sign on my moekana card
Ill puush it if u want to see
Oh and danny mentioned, he is working on moekanji
Starting with 1st grade kanjis
Wait, really? Can't wait to see how cute the chibi Mirai-chan and the others on those cards!
The Ribbon Red wrote:
I suppose I will, some time in the future.Yuu-Chii wrote:
Get them for collection , just like me owo
I actually got it at retail price so yeah Dx
I bought mine and i got danny to sign on my moekana card
Ill puush it if u want to see
Oh and danny mentioned, he is working on moekanji
Starting with 1st grade kanjis
Wait, really? Can't wait to see how cute the chibi Mirai-chan and the others on those cards!
o.O I speak Chinese natively and I NEVER NOTICED THIS. Thanks * 10^6.-Athena- wrote:
Actually it doesn't need "no"，according to my knowledge of Chinese, which in some cases is similar to Japanese (especially the Kanji)
"no" is の, or 的 in Chinese.
Wrong. In this case "Watashi no baka" would make sense as "stupid me" or "my bad".-Athena- wrote:
You forgot the "no."
Actually it doesn't need "no"，according to my knowledge of Chinese, which in some cases is similar to Japanese (especially the Kanji)
"no" is の, or 的 in Chinese.
So if you say watashi no baka it actually means my baka (my idiot), referring to someone else.
The more appropriate sentence would be watashi wa baka desu!~ (/me runs)
And no i'm not an expert sorry, I may be wrong. Learning Japanese would go much smoother if you have been exposed to other Asian languages before, sort of like how European languages have similarities.
"Somebody no baka" literally means "Stupid somebody".
The Japanese "no" ( "の"), does not equal the Chinese "的".
Although Japanese kanji may look similar to Chinese characters, Japanese grammar is very different from Chinese grammar. In fact Japanese grammar is more like Korean grammar (90% similar).
Damn you... With Kud as well...Yuu-Chii wrote:
Anyway, IN TOPIC...
True. But this is all LOL due to each party trying to correct the statement that "I'm an idiot".darkmiz wrote:
Wrong. In this case "Watashi no baka" would make sense as "stupid me" or "my bad".-Athena- wrote:
You forgot the "no."
Actually it doesn't need "no"，according to my knowledge of Chinese, which in some cases is similar to Japanese (especially the Kanji)
"no" is の, or 的 in Chinese.
So if you say watashi no baka it actually means my baka (my idiot), referring to someone else.
The more appropriate sentence would be watashi wa baka desu!~ (/me runs)
And no i'm not an expert sorry, I may be wrong. Learning Japanese would go much smoother if you have been exposed to other Asian languages before, sort of like how European languages have similarities.
"Somebody no baka" literally means "Stupid somebody".
The Japanese "no" ( "の"), does not equal the Chinese "的".
Although Japanese kanji may look similar to Chinese characters, Japanese grammar is very different from Chinese grammar. In fact Japanese grammar is more like Korean grammar (90% similar).
Here you go:
私はバカです。
I want learn... I dont know where >.<
discussing here will help you learn some japanese languange ^^
GeeNX wrote:
I want learn... I dont know where >.<
Watching anime (original dub) & playing Japanese games will also improve your Japanese skills.Net-Nue wrote:
discussing here will help you learn some japanese languange ^^
Just take the effort to memorize kana (Hiragana and Katakana) firstGeeNX wrote:
I want learn... I dont know where >.<
It takes very little effort for that.....tbh
Took me 2~3 hours to remember them
Just sit down and spend some of your time trying to learn the basics..
Its actually quite simple...
But i cant really sayy, since I have a chinese foundation....
If u want you can ask me some questions..... but My japanese is only at N5 level sorry >.<
PS : For the kana you can ignore the combinations kana until you memorize the standard ones... They will come to you naturally you'll know why later...
yuu-chii, how do you study and memorize kanji? Also, do you memorize onyomi, kunyomi, and jukugo or do you only do some of them? Thx, kanji is kinda hard for me ^^;
yap, especially for VN (original,, with japanese, not english patched), and then use Translator AggregatorThe Ribbon Red wrote:
Watching anime (original dub) & playing Japanese games will also improve your Japanese skills.
Hmm...mathexpert9981 wrote:
yuu-chii, how do you study and memorize kanji? Also, do you memorize onyomi, kunyomi, and jukugo or do you only do some of them? Thx, kanji is kinda hard for me ^^;
I dont really know how to put this... Technically i dont memorize kanji...
Since i have a mandarin/chinese base...
A lot of kanji words have the same meaning in chinese but just a different reading...
But some of them have entirely different meanings and reading...Its all about being getting used to
I actually learn kanji through my understanding of chinese letters...
What I'd normally do is just tell myself it can be read in chinese and in japanese...
For example...
日本 = ri4 ben3 In Mandarin and Nihon (both means Japan) << example of onyomi
音楽 ＝ yin1 yue4 / ongaku (same meaning) music
well and kunyomi is different
If u can see
食べる(taberu) ＝ to eat << i recognize this because the kanji 食 has something to do with food to in mandarin
守る(mamoru) = to protect >> 守is technically protect in chinese too but not exactly
死ぬ (shinu) = die >> 死 means death/die in chinese
As you can see most of the kanji I know is based on what i have already learned in chinese....
So I dont think its considered memorizing..... Since i learnt chinese since pre-school, I think you get why I am used to kanji and stuff >.<
Well tbh, i think learning kanji from scratch will be a tad difficult....
But for now i dont think you shud worry about onyomi or kunyomi and stuff... It doesnt really matter..
Maybe memorizing is ok but you shud try to "feel" the meaning in the word.... Thats how I learn new languages >.<
If you haven't started you shud prolly get started with grade 1 kanji.
If you can do that..... It will simply be amazed because you will most likely remember them for the rest of your life ^^
To be honest, I think that knowing chinese will be a lot of help but meh >.< because the symbols arent actually random strokes but they actually mean something..You can ask me sometimes, but i cant gurantee you a very good explanation ;w;
I actually know how to speak Chinese (Cantonese and Mandarin) fluently, but I can't read or write at all, so it doesn't help much >~< I currently know about ~200 kanji, and going at a rate of about 7 new kanji a day so it's going to take a while xD. Anyways, thx a lot for the tips~Yuu-Chii wrote:
mathexpert9981 wrote:
yuu-chii, how do you study and memorize kanji? Also, do you memorize onyomi, kunyomi, and jukugo or do you only do some of them? Thx, kanji is kinda hard for me ^^;SPOILERHmm...
I dont really know how to put this... Technically i dont memorize kanji...
Since i have a mandarin/chinese base...
A lot of kanji words have the same meaning in chinese but just a different reading...
But some of them have entirely different meanings and reading...Its all about being getting used to
I actually learn kanji through my understanding of chinese letters...
What I'd normally do is just tell myself it can be read in chinese and in japanese...
For example...
日本 = ri4 ben3 In Mandarin and Nihon (both means Japan) << example of onyomi
音楽 ＝ yin1 yue4 / ongaku (same meaning) music
well and kunyomi is different
If u can see
食べる(taberu) ＝ to eat << i recognize this because the kanji 食 has something to do with food to in mandarin
守る(mamoru) = to protect >> 守is technically protect in chinese too but not exactly
死ぬ (shinu) = die >> 死 means death/die in chinese
As you can see most of the kanji I know is based on what i have already learned in chinese....
So I dont think its considered memorizing..... Since i learnt chinese since pre-school, I think you get why I am used to kanji and stuff >.<
Well tbh, i think learning kanji from scratch will be a tad difficult....
But for now i dont think you shud worry about onyomi or kunyomi and stuff... It doesnt really matter..
Maybe memorizing is ok but you shud try to "feel" the meaning in the word.... Thats how I learn new languages >.<
If you haven't started you shud prolly get started with grade 1 kanji.
If you can do that..... It will simply be amazed because you will most likely remember them for the rest of your life ^^
To be honest, I think that knowing chinese will be a lot of help but meh >.< because the symbols arent actually random strokes but they actually mean something..You can ask me sometimes, but i cant gurantee you a very good explanation ;w;
Lol this thread. Easiest thing is to either:
1. Be Japanese
2. Go to Japan.
1. Be Japanese
2. Go to Japan.
OH MY..!!! YOU ARE SO GENIUS!!! YOU ARE SOOOMNCJSMAPKDNNCINNAKJFNBFURJMCPSN...Sanae Kochiya wrote:
Lol this thread. Easiest thing is to either:
1. Be Japanese
2. Go to Japan.
Let's keep up with real answers, shall we?
ON TOPIC: Learn Hiragana and Katakana first. Those are the basics. Then, you may begin Kanji.
On a more serious note, I highly recommend actually understanding the grammatical structure of the Japanese language instead of doing katakana stuff. Basically, just use romaji until you can make some sentences that make sense.
But learning hiragana is so easy... you could probably do it in less than a week.Sanae Kochiya wrote:
On a more serious note, I highly recommend actually understanding the grammatical structure of the Japanese language instead of doing katakana stuff. Basically, just use romaji until you can make some sentences that make sense.
It's less important than learning grammar.
Well, I think this depends on the person.Sanae Kochiya wrote:
It's less important than learning grammar.
In my opinion, hiragana is the baseline, then you proceed with either grammar or katakana. I think kanji is the least important (in the learning process), but it's best if you know some basic kanji words. I've been solely learning Japanese from anime & visual novels (mostly the latter because there are rarely any English patches for the games I play...), and in most games, I see "言" being used every so often.
I remember somebody telling me something like it's best if you learn languages when you're young (I think it's best to learn languages when you're under 13ish?). Of course, this probably seems like common sense. xD
Well, for me, it got easier as I learned more hiragana, but before I even thought about self-learning Japanese, I'd always pay attention to words in animes and how people would structure their sentences, so I learned vocabulary & grammar first before I even touched hiragana, but whatever it is, the first step is usually hiragana or grammar, whatever floats your boat.
I'm not sure who wants to learn Japanese now, but...
みなさん、頑張って〜 （＾3＾）
If your native language is English you still learned the English alphabet long before you started learning proper grammar and formalities.Sanae Kochiya wrote:
It's less important than learning grammar.
Win.mathexpert9981 wrote:
But learning hiragana is so easy... you could probably do it in less than a week.
Same here. Yet, I'm still learning Japanese.Kiramekirari wrote:
Well, I think this depends on the person.Sanae Kochiya wrote:
It's less important than learning grammar.
In my opinion, hiragana is the baseline, then you proceed with either grammar or katakana. I think kanji is the least important (in the learning process), but it's best if you know some basic kanji words. I've been solely learning Japanese from anime & visual novels (mostly the latter because there are rarely any English patches for the games I play...), and in most games, I see "言" being used every so often.
I remember somebody telling me something like it's best if you learn languages when you're young (I think it's best to learn languages when you're under 13ish?). Of course, this probably seems like common sense. xD
Well, for me, it got easier as I learned more hiragana, but before I even thought about self-learning Japanese, I'd always pay attention to words in animes and how people would structure their sentences, so I learned vocabulary & grammar first before I even touched hiragana, but whatever it is, the first step is usually hiragana or grammar, whatever floats your boat.
I'm not sure who wants to learn Japanese now, but...
みなさん、頑張って〜 （＾3＾）
ありがとうございます。
That is because the alphabet is the only way to write English. As for Japanese, westerners can use romaji to write instead; and later, they can start replacing romaji with hiragana/katakana or even kanji.Pokebis wrote:
If your native language is English you still learned the English alphabet long before you started learning proper grammar and formalities.Sanae Kochiya wrote:
It's less important than learning grammar.
I suppose this is right. But not everyone in Japan are used to romaji in daily life, no? That is, if you want to communicate with a Japanese person.Sanae Kochiya wrote:
That is because the alphabet is the only way to write English. As for Japanese, westerners can use romaji to write instead; and later, they can start replacing romaji with hiragana/katakana or even kanji.
If not, I don't see the problem. But then came the question of "Why are you learning Japanese?".
Well I still recommend learning the kana first. Again, it's very fast to learn and makes you feel like you're actually making progress. Even looking at how Japanese is written and simply which characters are simply used as particles can help get you a feel for the grammar. Plus you could begin reading Japanese children's books or even begin learning with simple kana-only games like Pokemon.
Well, Kana is easier. But I still recommend learning Hiragana first as it is the basic and you could actually understand most of the words that are spoken/written in Japanese. Also, you have easier access to understanding Kana and Kanji more, since you know the basics already.Pokebis wrote:
Well I still recommend learning the kana first. Again, it's very fast to learn and makes you feel like you're actually making progress. Even looking at how Japanese is written and simply which characters are simply used as particles can help get you a feel for the grammar. Plus you could begin reading Japanese children's books or even begin learning with simple kana-only games like Pokemon.
When you learn Hiragana/Katakana, it's kind of a one-pack deal. When you learn one of them, you basically learn the basics of both of them. The only problem you'll face with them is the usage of them, where and when.