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MeschejrePL
You don't even know how happy I am to see this banned
AndrewRK
Very happy with this. Thanks for speaking out and thanks for all your hard work!
TomoridropMoeta
Well i follow what youwwant to do
Shaper
poggers.
DeletedUser_10883764
This means BNs can no longer get their maps ranked while they are still a BN ?
ImranNajmi
thank you osu staff, very cool!
woahsia
How will this be enforced in more vague cases? For example a member of the BNG or QAT can just set a donation goal on stream, and then when he reaches the goal he will make a map from a song that will be chosen from a poll that is voted on by followers. Does this still count as doing a commission as it is technically not done directly and would be unknown without proper context?
Megapcmx
Totally needed
Xen
Bless
Linada
there is zero way to know if a mapset is a commission tho, mapper just have to not tell and nobody will know
Come[Back]Home
Wait what? People actually took money to map something? Really makes you look different at those persons. Mapping is supposed to be for the fun part, and not for money or fame. I seriously can't believe it and am truly shocked. So this is what the mapping community has come to? Thats what happens when people get drunk on their fame.
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Linada wrote:

there is zero way to know if a mapset is a commission tho, mapper just have to not tell and nobody will know

No but the can't publicly advertise their commissions thus will be getting a lot less requests
Aiseca

Come[Back]Home wrote:

Wait what? People actually took money to map something? ......


extrasensory
Very welcomed change. Definitely a step into the right direction.
Aelin
See ya Sotarks. Good change
MarcoBrolo
N I C E
Peter
I can mostly agree with that since people shouldn't take money for maps they are making, osu! is free tool to use and people can't just take money for using it in abusive way for pp farming etc.

Using free tools/resources to earn money isn't always legal
Daylight--
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toybot

woahsia wrote:

How will this be enforced in more vague cases? For example a member of the BNG or QAT can just set a donation goal on stream, and then when he reaches the goal he will make a map from a song that will be chosen from a poll that is voted on by followers. Does this still count as doing a commission as it is technically not done directly and would be unknown without proper context?


No not really, that's more of a public fundraising project rather than a private commission, since it involves the community interacting with the stream and people are more or less donating for stream entertainment
Zexous
WOOOOOO YEAH
Linada

Princess Kisses wrote:

Linada wrote:

there is zero way to know if a mapset is a commission tho, mapper just have to not tell and nobody will know

No but the can't publicly advertise their commissions thus will be getting a lot less requests

i believe that one person affected by this doesnt need more exposure at the time being, and can just continue doing this just free
Beomsan
Nice, I hope as many people as possible don't make maps for money...
squirrelpascals
I also think the uncertainty of wether or not a map is commissioned should be addressed.

Other than that awesome change! Hope this gets extended to more of the community in the future
Miru
About time, nice!
WoctorDho
I think this was a very responsible way to handle this situation. wp
Ascendance

squirrelpascals wrote:

I also think the uncertainty of wether or not a map is commissioned should be addressed.

Other than that awesome change! Hope this gets extended to more of the community in the future
An obligation to say (in map desc or something) if the map was a commission or not would be nice. Lying about that kind of thing now has serious consequences and ahould have a harsh penalty.
Nyxa

Come[Back]Home wrote:

Wait what? People actually took money to map something? Really makes you look different at those persons. Mapping is supposed to be for the fun part, and not for money or fame. I seriously can't believe it and am truly shocked. So this is what the mapping community has come to? Thats what happens when people get drunk on their fame.


While I agree with the ruling, I can't help but be bothered by posts like this. Taking money for doing something you are good at and enjoy is not only normal, it is something practically every content creator does. It's not just people who draw art, all kinds of content creators take money for the work and effort they put into a piece of content in some form or other, be it through Patreon, Youtube ads, Twitch subs, or anything else.

What really impresses me about the ruling is that it does not outright ban commissions, it bans making money off of the backs of others' works. This is good, because this is how it works in most places as well. Unless you fall under Fair Use you need the artist's permission in some form or other in order to make money off of their work.

My point is, while I'm sure there's very shady things to take commission for, saying "Mapping is supposed to be for the fun part, and not for money or fame." is horribly lopsided considering the amount of effort some mappers put into their maps. If someone is willing to pay them for it, and they don't abuse either the system or other artist's work in the process, there is nothing wrong with them accepting that payment.

One good use case I could see for this would be an up and coming artist paying a very popular mapper to map their song so it could gain attention. This is a form of advertisement and would be perfectly fair imo.

And don't forget that while this is a free game, osu!supporter is practically the same as Patreon. Mappers are content creators for osu just like programmers are, so I don't see why one form is appalling while the other isn't.

Just my 2c.
[Shiny]
This won't stop the ranking mafia at all, but a first step (at least to try to) like this is always welcome.
Remyria
nice
elke_
Thank you so, so much for this.
hypercyte
nice
Nikolai
lmao
jeanbernard8865
why
Bakuretsue
I like it how this was involved with some intentionally repeating this sort of acceptance as well for those who were involved with this are now supporting this thread. X)
Monstrata

osu!team wrote:

To this end, we have decided that all members of any osu! team involved in the ranking process (e.g. Beatmap Nominators, Quality Assurance Team, etc) will be explicitly forbidden from undertaking or participating in paid modding, ranking OR beatmapping commissions while they retain their role on the team.
Is this confirmation that BN's/QAT's are part of the osu! team? Because for the longest time they have simply been seen as regular community members with some privileges.

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Anyways, an official stance is good. I'm not against it, but I do have some issues that hopefully we can resolve.

osu!team wrote:

So it comes down to this: we ask that all individuals who undertake commissioned work to do so tastefully, with utmost respect given to the license/rights-holders of any works involved in the creation of a beatmap - this includes obtaining proper licensing/clearance for all media/art/etc involved.
Are there any differences between this rule and regular map submission rules? Just asking because you guys are specifically talking about commissions now.

Community Rules wrote:

1. Make sure you have permission to use any content involved in your beatmap. This includes songs, videos, hit sounds, graphics, and any other content that isn't your own creation. If you are unsure of where to find content that is free to use, we have a growing library of tracks available at the Featured Artist listing, all 100% licensed for use in osu!.
Main reason I'm asking is because this rule basically says that as a rule we should have permission to use content involved.

So here's my question with all things considered. Will the osu!team be taking any measures to enforce this rule? That is to say, will you actively check to make sure that users submitting content are doing so with respect to proper licensing? Should we as mappers have to provide proof that we have the licenses to various songs we upload?

Because it's exceedingly obvious we don't. It's true, you can say "you didn't know any better" and DMCA does protect osu! from being responsible for its users uploading unlicensed content.

But some issues arise.

1. If music companies decide to pursue legal consequences for osu! distributing their music without consent, mappers seem to bear the consequences. That is to say, the osu!team will simply say "We assumed that the mapper had the rigts to upload the song. Since it's clear they don't, they should be the ones you guys should sue, not us."

2. Similarly, if music companies decide to pursue legal consequences for osu! distributing their music without consent, they could also argue that DMCA does not protect osu! from the spirit of the rule. This is the argument of negligence. It's exceedingly clear that 99% of osu content is not licensed. It is also exceedingly clear to my knowledge, that the osu! moderation team does not actively try to remove content that is unlicensed (aside from anime episodes, lol). So will the moderation team going forward, now moderate beatmap submission to ensure content is properly licensed material? Or dos the osu!team have an answer to this potential argument of negligence?

3. If music companies decide to pursue legal consequences for osu! distributing their music without consent, and offering express downloads for those willing to pay (supporter), would mappers be obligated to pay for damages? For example, the profit osu! makes from priority download is a deficit to music companies/producers/artists etc... who make money by getting people to pay for their songs. Also, uploading of unlicensed content on the part of the mapper also contributes to this issue. By allowing the mp3 to be downloaded free, this is another loss of income for artists who charge money for their songs to be downloaded.



Personally, I will cease all mapping commissions officially. But my concerns are now less about commissions and more about simply uploading maps in general. I'm not trying to shade the osu!team, I really think these are legitimate issues we need to consider now more than ever. I've even heard Larto quit osu because he feared legal ramifications due to mapping popular songs.
tatatat
Cool nice!
Monstrata
Adding this:

4. Is there any protection for mappers with regards to these issues? Otherwise I think it's fair to say a lot of mappers who don't know this can happen to them will cease mapping, or may even request their content removed. Furthermore, if a mapper no longer wishes to remain responsible for the beatmap, and requests its removal, are they allowed to? Under current TOS they cannot. But if that is the case, does not the ownership of the beatmap now belong to osu? After all, you cannot blame the mapper for uploading unlicensed content, and also deny the mapper the right to have that content deleted.
DeletedUser_12995503
This is great
LittleEndu
If my understanding of IP law in general is correct, DMCA will protect the owners of any website precisely only if they don't manually check for unlicensed material. If you start checking that then one mistake and you are taken to court, if you don't check then you just need to deal with any DMCA notices you get.
Cherry Blossom

Come[Back]Home wrote:

Wait what? People actually took money to map something? Really makes you look different at those persons. Mapping is supposed to be for the fun part, and not for money or fame. I seriously can't believe it and am truly shocked. So this is what the mapping community has come to? Thats what happens when people get drunk on their fame.
If only all people there were thinking like you, that would be a good step backward that would prevent this game from self destruction.
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