I'd also like to state that mappers who opt to take commissions that are built purely around creating "farm maps" or other sets that are designed to take advantage of or otherwise abuse the scoring system for money are engaging in what may just be the most morally repugnant thing that I have witnessed in osu! in all of my near-decade's worth of tenure.
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I like this change, stops certain individuals from abusing their power and creating, in my opinion, unwanted content at this point.
While a lot of my thoughts are intertwined in the post above, let me add a few things.
I did not participate in the vote, but the rest of the team was unanimously for the team member commission ban. There were varying degrees of strength-of-opinions but there was no one against this ruling.
Back at the start, osu! used to be a hugely creative game. Over half the community was here for the mapping/skinning side, not the farming/ranking PP side. This has obviously changed beyond return, but I hope that we can agree to uphold that mapping and modding is one of the many of the enjoyable aspects of the game and community.
I tend to let the community drive this game, which is why I am very hesitant to make calls like this, but due to the amount of heated internal (and external) discussion over this point I believe the above needs to be said to set some level of precedent. Hopefully you can understand.
I did not participate in the vote, but the rest of the team was unanimously for the team member commission ban. There were varying degrees of strength-of-opinions but there was no one against this ruling.
Back at the start, osu! used to be a hugely creative game. Over half the community was here for the mapping/skinning side, not the farming/ranking PP side. This has obviously changed beyond return, but I hope that we can agree to uphold that mapping and modding is one of the many of the enjoyable aspects of the game and community.
I tend to let the community drive this game, which is why I am very hesitant to make calls like this, but due to the amount of heated internal (and external) discussion over this point I believe the above needs to be said to set some level of precedent. Hopefully you can understand.
I agree with you guys and thats what I wanted to show with my reddit post. Would be sad if people start mapping for money and not because they want to improve the qyality of the game or just making content
That's really good move. Cool to see osu staff reacting fast to that kind of issues
Thank you.
nice
nice
I love this
Very glad to see the official stance given on this, full support!
this is epic
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personally, i dont really have any objection with mapping commisions since mapping is something like a free place. you can do whatever you want and rank it as long as it adhere the ranking criteria. but not with team members helping to rank something in order to earn money. but isnt it just limiting people doing something.
im just sure that people wont abuse the mapping commisions and bn/qat power. atleast it wont be a big issue where it'll become really popular issue among mapping community.
actually no one knows what will happen so im just shrugging here~
im just sure that people wont abuse the mapping commisions and bn/qat power. atleast it wont be a big issue where it'll become really popular issue among mapping community.
actually no one knows what will happen so im just shrugging here~
Thank you
we have decided that all members of any osu! team involved in the ranking process (e.g. Beatmap Nominators, Quality Assurance Team, etc) will be explicitly forbidden from undertaking or participating in paid modding, ranking OR beatmapping commissions while they retain their role on the team.
To clarify this means the qat/bng cannot mod, rank, or map if theyre paid to do it, but they can mod/rank something that someone paid for correct.
i.e. a non bng/qat mapper makes a commissioned set. this set can still be pushed to ranked correct?
if so whats to stop people from just quitting qat/bng and doing the same thing?
edit: to clarify im all for this change im just not sure its fully addressing the problem/i might be misunderstanding.
yea i agree that this rule should extend to everyone; even if its not directly enforceable for everyone, at least through some indirect reporting system similar to cheating
Sparhten wrote:
if so whats to stop people from just quitting qat/bng and doing the same thing?
Nothing. And completely banning it is not our goal here. See the second half of the original post which attempts to make this distinction.
Just to clarify, isn't this pmuch the same wording as current regulation regarding user's submission in ToS?osu!team wrote:
So it comes down to this: we ask that all individuals who undertake commissioned work to do so tastefully, with utmost respect given to the license/rights-holders of any works involved in the creation of a beatmap - this includes obtaining proper licensing/clearance for all media/art/etc involved.
oh finally, it's here, thank god...
thank you.
4n3c wrote:
feel like this should be linked here for future reference even though it's already public
bn/qat member report form
Well, finally we have a word about this very important topic. Thanks a bunch for taking an action to this!
First i was like "let people do what they want" but thanks to this post I understand the decision and I believe it's by far the best one ! nice job
How are you planning to enforce the rule?
Say someone is mapping a song and pretends that he mapped it because he liked it; while in reality being commissionned to map it, how can you prove that he was getting paid to map this song?
Conversely, if someone reports a team member for doing commissions while in reality he was not, how can he (the team member in question) prove his innocence?
In other words, how can you be sure that someone is or isn't doing commissions?
Say someone is mapping a song and pretends that he mapped it because he liked it; while in reality being commissionned to map it, how can you prove that he was getting paid to map this song?
Conversely, if someone reports a team member for doing commissions while in reality he was not, how can he (the team member in question) prove his innocence?
In other words, how can you be sure that someone is or isn't doing commissions?
Does "properly licensed content" only cover audio tracks, or does it also cover the backgrounds and hitsound samples?
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