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Franc[e]sco
Added hard mode, mod that too please~
quiz-chan_DELETED
[General]
Set preview point here: 00:12:299.

[Difficulties]
[Hard]
(Personally, I would increase Approach Rate by +2)
Well I think, the hit objects are not placed that well, because the hit windows drown the other hit objects:
http://puu.sh/tD4S - If this should not occur on your screen, then it might be my skin.

The hit circles always switch between being stacked and staying next each other instead of being stacked
This spacing mix confuses players. Few examples:
00:15:519 (2,3,4)
00:20:943 (1,2) - Well, this is just general spacing. While these sliders are easy to beat, the
following sliders 00:21:621 (3,4) are a bit too far. You can flip these sliders horizontally.
00:23:655 - Same as first point, some stacks. You can unstack the notes and properly space them by
using distance snap [ALT key].
Remember! Spacing is one of the most important things when mapping!

Following are just suggestions:
Please add hitsounds were you think they are necessary.
00:13:147 (1) - "Finish" hitsound?
00:15:858 (4) - ^
00:15:519 (2,3,4) - New combo?
00:18:231 (5) - New combo and adding "Finish" hitsound?
00:28:909 - Why not making the new combo here instead of 00:28:231 ?
00:30:096 (6) - Remove "Clap" sound from reverse arrow and slider end?
00:35:350 (5,6) - Swapping these two notes?
00:39:926 (5) - I would make a new combo here, replacing that slider.
00:42:638 (4) - That slider length is too long. Replace it by 4 sliders of that reversing speed.
01:03:147 (6,7) - Space these sliders properly. One slider above one other might count as an overlap.
01:16:536 - You mapped nearly everything with "Clap" sounds? Erase them where necessary.
01:16:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - Watch timeline and spacing between (2) and (3,4,5). Doesn't fit.
01:18:231 (3,4,5) - Same stacking comment as above.
01:19:079 (6) - New combo here? Just fits better to the rhythm.
01:20:604 (4) - New combo here instead of 01:19:926 (1) ?
01:30:096 - There it begins again. See above.
01:39:587 - Why again? Did you run outta ideas? :D
01:50:604 (1) - Shorten that spinner.

[Insane]
AR: increase by +1
Add hitsounds here as well, but only when needed.
Example: from 01:16:536 (1) on.

01:27:382 (5,6) - Definitely increase spacing between these notes.
01:28:399 (2,3) - ^
01:34:162 (4) - New combo here, not earlier, not later.
01:35:519 - New combo here? Adjust spacing and add a note here.
01:49:079 (3) - Split into 4 sliders with same reversing velocity. And don't forget spacing.
01:50:604 (1) - That spinner is for far too long. Shorten it greatly.

Well, that was pretty much it!
Kudosu! when this was helpful *greedy* :D
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Quiz-chan wrote:

[General]
Set preview point here: 00:12:299. Done.

[Difficulties]
[Hard]
(Personally, I would increase Approach Rate by +2) Done.
Well I think, the hit objects are not placed that well, because the hit windows drown the other hit objects:
http://puu.sh/tD4S - If this should not occur on your screen, then it might be my skin.
Yeah, just noticed that by reverting to osu default skin. I wanted to map it in a different style but I guess it's no good :P changed lots of the patterns.

The hit circles always switch between being stacked and staying next each other instead of being stacked
This spacing mix confuses players. Few examples:
00:15:519 (2,3,4)
00:20:943 (1,2) - Well, this is just general spacing. While these sliders are easy to beat, the
following sliders 00:21:621 (3,4) are a bit too far. You can flip these sliders horizontally.
00:23:655 - Same as first point, some stacks. You can unstack the notes and properly space them by
using distance snap [ALT key].
Remember! Spacing is one of the most important things when mapping!
As above, wanted to map in a different style but it didn't turn out good :D remapped the stacks.

Following are just suggestions:
Please add hitsounds were you think they are necessary.
00:13:147 (1) - "Finish" hitsound? Okay
00:15:858 (4) - ^ Yep
00:15:519 (2,3,4) - New combo? Yup.
00:18:231 (5) - New combo and adding "Finish" hitsound? Mmmmk
00:28:909 - Why not making the new combo here instead of 00:28:231 ? Done.
00:30:096 (6) - Remove "Clap" sound from reverse arrow and slider end? AFAIK you can only have either all claps or no claps in a slider o_o.
00:35:350 (5,6) - Swapping these two notes? Changed the entire pattern :P
00:39:926 (5) - I would make a new combo here, replacing that slider. It doesnt exactly fit the beat but it feels better so okay.
00:42:638 (4) - That slider length is too long. Replace it by 4 sliders of that reversing speed. Done.
01:03:147 (6,7) - Space these sliders properly. One slider above one other might count as an overlap. Done.
01:16:536 - You mapped nearly everything with "Clap" sounds? Erase them where necessary. This is on purpose. It sounds good with the breakdown of the song :D
01:16:536 (1,2,3,4,5) - Watch timeline and spacing between (2) and (3,4,5). Doesn't fit. The spacing between 1 and 2 is that way because of the different slider speed, then it reverts to normal slider speed. It feels right when you play it imo.
01:18:231 (3,4,5) - Same stacking comment as above. This stack doesn't feel that weird.
01:19:079 (6) - New combo here? Just fits better to the rhythm. Naaah.
01:20:604 (4) - New combo here instead of 01:19:926 (1) ? Okay
01:30:096 - There it begins again. See above. Changed the entire pattern
01:39:587 - Why again? Did you run outta ideas? :D Remapped
01:50:604 (1) - Shorten that spinner. 'Kay

[Insane]
AR: increase by +1
Add hitsounds here as well, but only when needed. It already has hitsounds?
Example: from 01:16:536 (1) on. See my reply on "Hard"

01:27:382 (5,6) - Definitely increase spacing between these notes. Done
01:28:399 (2,3) - ^ Done
01:34:162 (4) - New combo here, not earlier, not later. Done
01:35:519 - New combo here? Adjust spacing and add a note here. Okay
01:49:079 (3) - Split into 4 sliders with same reversing velocity. And don't forget spacing. Done
01:50:604 (1) - That spinner is for far too long. Shorten it greatly. Done

Well, that was pretty much it!
Kudosu! when this was helpful *greedy* :D
quiz-chan_DELETED

Franc[e]sco wrote:

Quiz-chan wrote:

00:30:096 (6) - Remove "Clap" sound from reverse arrow and slider end? AFAIK you can only have either all claps or no claps in a slider o_o.
Well, use "Select" tool and click twice on one spot of the slider (Start, reverse, end) and choose a hitsound.
You will learn to deal with this kind of special function. I didn't know that either.
I was trying and then I happened to find out how to use it on hit objects.
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Quiz-chan wrote:

Well, use "Select" tool and click twice on one spot of the slider (Start, reverse, end) and choose a hitsound.
You will learn to deal with this kind of special function. I didn't know that either.
I was trying and then I happened to find out how to use it on hit objects.
Fixed
-Kirito-
[Easy]
Love your consistency in spacing.
00:25:689 (3,4) - Try not to stack in Easy mode because it can be confusing to new players.
01:16:536 (1) - I dislike your use of a slowdown when it doesn't feel like there needs to be one.
01:32:808 (1) - Remove NC
01:34:163 (2) - NC
01:43:655 (1) - Remove NC
01:45:011 (2) - NC
01:46:367 - Place a note here if you do the 2 changes above.
01:47:045 (1) - Remove NC if you do the above change.
01:47:723 (2) - NC if you do the above change.

[Normal]
00:37:214 (7) - NC
00:38:231 (1) - Remove NC
00:39:926 (5) - NC
00:41:960 (1) - Remove NC
00:42:638 (3) - Optional NC
01:36:875 (6) - NC
01:39:248 (1) - Remove NC
01:39:587 (2) - NC
01:16:536 (1) - Same issue like in Easy

[Hard]
01:02:977 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - Consider remapping, making 5 a new combo, and removing the NC on 1.
01:30:774 (1) - Remove NC
01:30:943 (2) - NC
01:32:977 (11) - Optional NC
01:33:316 (1) - Remove NC if you do the above change
01:33:994 (4) - NC if you do the above change
01:43:824 (8) - NC
01:44:163 (1) - Remove NC
01:44:841 (4) - NC
The slowdown is not an issue in hard because most people should be able to recognize it.


[Insane]
00:18:231 (5) - NC
00:28:570 (1) - Remove NC
00:29:079 (4) - NC
00:29:757 (1) - Remove NC
I am personally against using so many claps, but in this song it sounds OK.
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Red Layfon wrote:

[Easy]
Love your consistency in spacing.
00:25:689 (3,4) - Try not to stack in Easy mode because it can be confusing to new players. I wanted to make at least a little challenging to full combo for a new player
01:16:536 (1) - I dislike your use of a slowdown when it doesn't feel like there needs to be one. I think it feels right just like in hard & insane, and it makes it a little more challenging for a new player without making him fail
01:32:808 (1) - Remove NC Done
01:34:163 (2) - NC Done
01:43:655 (1) - Remove NC Done
01:45:011 (2) - NC Done
01:46:367 - Place a note here if you do the 2 changes above. Done
01:47:045 (1) - Remove NC if you do the above change. Done
01:47:723 (2) - NC if you do the above change. Done

[Normal]
00:37:214 (7) - NC Done
00:38:231 (1) - Remove NC Done
00:39:926 (5) - NC Done
00:41:960 (1) - Remove NC Done
00:42:638 (3) - Optional NC Done
01:36:875 (6) - NC Done
01:39:248 (1) - Remove NC Done
01:39:587 (2) - NC Done
01:16:536 (1) - Same issue like in Easy Same answer as easy

[Hard]
01:02:977 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - Consider remapping, making 5 a new combo, and removing the NC on 1. Edited the combo as you said, but I think it doesn't need remapping
01:30:774 (1) - Remove NC Done
01:30:943 (2) - NC Done
01:32:977 (11) - Optional NC Done
01:33:316 (1) - Remove NC if you do the above change Done
01:33:994 (4) - NC if you do the above change Done
01:43:824 (8) - NC Done
01:44:163 (1) - Remove NC Done
01:44:841 (4) - NC Done
The slowdown is not an issue in hard because most people should be able to recognize it.


[Insane]
00:18:231 (5) - NC Done
00:28:570 (1) - Remove NC Done
00:29:079 (4) - NC Done
00:29:757 (1) - Remove NC Done
I am personally against using so many claps, but in this song it sounds OK.
Thanks for all the combo fixes, I'm really bad at figuring out when I should start a new combo :D
-Kirito-
The song is confusing too, so it's hard to tell. Good luck getting it ranked~
quiz-chan_DELETED
[General]
Nothing that has to be fixed.

Easy
Overall difficulty feels a bit too harsh.
Approach Rate: -1, perhaps?
00:12:130 (1) - "Finish" hitsound?
00:15:519 (1) - ^
00:23:655 (1) - "Finish" hitsound on slider start?
00:25:689 (3,4) - Unstack these two notes?
00:26:367 - Why not new combo here instead of 00:27:723?
00:29:079 (3) - New combo and "Finish" hitsound upon slider start?
00:31:791 (4) - New combo?
00:39:926 (5) - ^
00:56:197 (1) - Remove "Finish" hitsound on slider end?
00:58:909 (4) - New combo?
01:01:621 (6) - ^
01:17:892 (2) - ^
01:27:384 (5) - If you'd ask me, that note is placed a bit too high.
01:38:231 (1) - "Finish" hitsound?
Normal
00:20:943 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is all messed up. Try another pattern.
00:29:418 (2,3) - Unstack these two notes?
00:30:943 (6,7) - ^
00:33:825 (4,5) - ^ (if you want to be unfairly harsh)
00:43:994 (1) - "Finish" hitsound?
01:04:333 (1) - Lengthen that spinner till 01:07:045.
01:28:401 (3,1) - No. This won't work. Spacing!
01:39:587 (1) - "Finish" hitsound upon slider start?
01:42:299 - New combo here instead of 01:41:960 (1)?
Hard
00:37:553 (4,5) - Still unacceptable. While the other patterns are O.K., this stack seriously doesn't fit.
00:56:197 (1,2,3,4) - Change this pattern. (3) is being drowned by the hit window of (1).
00:58:062 (3,4) - Unstack?
01:00:265 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Acceptable, but I'd still change it.
01:04:333 (1) - See "Normal".
01:17:892 (2) - New combo?
01:18:231 (3,4,5) - Unstack?
01:23:316 (6) - New combo here with "Finish" hitsound instead of 01:24:333?
01:23:655 (7,8,9) - Change pattern.
Insane
00:13:147 (1) - "Finish" hitsound?
00:15:858 (4) - ^
00:18:231 (1) - ^
00:15:519 (2,3,4) - You have a wonderful approach rate being worthless here. Unstack these notes!
00:15:519 (2) - New combo?
00:35:519 (2,3) - No way. I know that you know what I mean.
00:39:926 (5) - Fatal combo error here. New combo here instead of 00:40:265!
00:41:452 (1) - Why not new combo on previous note (6)?
01:05:689 (1) - Lengthen that spinner. Spinner end is perfectly placed, but it begins too late.
01:19:078 (6,1) - http://puu.sh/vLM3 : See that white tick between these notes? Place a note with new combo on that one.
01:20:602 (6) - Supposed to be the new combo instead of the following note (1).
01:22:469 - Some combo issues around here. Start new combos on white, big ticks.

At this point, I almost lost my entire motivation to point out every single combo inconsistency! Use new combos carefully! There are just too many errors, sorry. Look for stupidly placed combos from 01:22:469 on.

01:50:604 (1) - Spinner on white tick, perhaps?

That is pretty much it. After fixing these "minor" problems, this map is ready to be ranked.
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Quiz-chan wrote:

[General]
Nothing that has to be fixed.

Easy
Overall difficulty feels a bit too harsh. Lowered by 1
Approach Rate: -1, perhaps? k
00:12:130 (1) - "Finish" hitsound? Ok
00:15:519 (1) - ^ Sure
00:23:655 (1) - "Finish" hitsound on slider start? Hmmm okay
00:25:689 (3,4) - Unstack these two notes? They're not that confusing, they just make it more challenging to S for a new player
00:26:367 - Why not new combo here instead of 00:27:723? Ok
00:29:079 (3) - New combo and "Finish" hitsound upon slider start? Ok
00:31:791 (4) - New combo? Doesn't feel right
00:39:926 (5) - ^ Doesn't feel right
00:56:197 (1) - Remove "Finish" hitsound on slider end? Okay
00:58:909 (4) - New combo? Ok
01:01:621 (6) - ^ Okay
01:17:892 (2) - ^ Okay
01:27:384 (5) - If you'd ask me, that note is placed a bit too high. Oh yeah it might overlap the hp bar. Moved it.
01:38:231 (1) - "Finish" hitsound? Yeah
Normal
00:20:943 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is all messed up. Try another pattern. Done
00:29:418 (2,3) - Unstack these two notes? I like them this way
00:30:943 (6,7) - ^ I like them this way
00:33:825 (4,5) - ^ (if you want to be unfairly harsh) I like them this way
00:43:994 (1) - "Finish" hitsound? Okay
01:04:333 (1) - Lengthen that spinner till 01:07:045. Done
01:28:401 (3,1) - No. This won't work. Spacing! Fix'd
01:39:587 (1) - "Finish" hitsound upon slider start? Doesn't fit
01:42:299 - New combo here instead of 01:41:960 (1)? Doesn't feel right
Hard
00:37:553 (4,5) - Still unacceptable. While the other patterns are O.K., this stack seriously doesn't fit. Unstacked
00:56:197 (1,2,3,4) - Change this pattern. (3) is being drowned by the hit window of (1). Moved (1)
00:58:062 (3,4) - Unstack? I like it
01:00:265 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - Acceptable, but I'd still change it. I like it
01:04:333 (1) - See "Normal". Fix'd
01:17:892 (2) - New combo? Ok
01:18:231 (3,4,5) - Unstack? Unstacked
01:23:316 (6) - New combo here with "Finish" hitsound instead of 01:24:333? Doesn't feel right imo
01:23:655 (7,8,9) - Change pattern. Okay
Insane
00:13:147 (1) - "Finish" hitsound? Sure
00:15:858 (4) - ^ Sure
00:18:231 (1) - ^ Sure
00:15:519 (2,3,4) - You have a wonderful approach rate being worthless here. Unstack these notes! Done
00:15:519 (2) - New combo? Yeah
00:35:519 (2,3) - No way. I know that you know what I mean. Unstacked
00:39:926 (5) - Fatal combo error here. New combo here instead of 00:40:265! Whew, didn't notice all these messed up combos
00:41:452 (1) - Why not new combo on previous note (6)? Fixed
01:05:689 (1) - Lengthen that spinner. Spinner end is perfectly placed, but it begins too late. Fixed
01:19:078 (6,1) - http://puu.sh/vLM3 : See that white tick between these notes? Place a note with new combo on that one. But that wouldn't follow the beat
01:20:602 (6) - Supposed to be the new combo instead of the following note (1). Fixed
01:22:469 - Some combo issues around here. Start new combos on white, big ticks. Fixed

At this point, I almost lost my entire motivation to point out every single combo inconsistency! Use new combos carefully! There are just too many errors, sorry. Look for stupidly placed combos from 01:22:469 on. Fixed

01:50:604 (1) - Spinner on white tick, perhaps? Nope

That is pretty much it. After fixing these "minor" problems, this map is ready to be ranked.
Thanks for the edit :D
10nya
nyaho from n y a -'s queue
Black means suggestion

[General]
nothing :)

[Easy]
OD -2?
- 00:31:791 : nc?
- 01:16:536 : double hit? omg http://puu.sh/GORS

[Normal]
nothing :)

[Hard]
- 00:27:892 : remove the clap, add the clap on 00:28:062

[Insane]
- 01:50:604 : remove finish?

thats all I can find, rank good luck :D
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

- t e n n y a - wrote:

nyaho from n y a -'s queue
Black means suggestion

[General]
nothing :)

[Easy]
OD -2? I'll go with -1
- 00:31:791 : nc? Yep :D
- 01:16:536 : double hit? omg http://puu.sh/GORS LOL! Epic fail, I dunno how I didn't see that

[Normal]
nothing :)

[Hard]
- 00:27:892 : remove the clap, add the clap on 00:28:062 Yeah, sounds better :D

[Insane]
- 01:50:604 : remove finish? Yeah, forgot to remove it after I made the hitsound silent ^^

thats all I can find, rank good luck :D
Thanks for the mod ;) *gives kudosu and a pat on the head*
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Reviving the beatmap and adding a new osu!mania 4k diff! Awaiting mods~
ts8zs
[Insane]
00:15:519 (1,2,3,1) - Ctrl+H
00:33:147 (3,5,1) - Finish?
00:34:841 (3,4) - keep same DS with 1,2
00:35:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/909529
00:45:689 - I think you break too much:3
01:07:384 - ^ This is an mug song,mug doesn't have such long breaks usually,If you want let player relax here,just make here eazier:3
01:49:079 (3,4,5,6) - Finish is too noisy
01:50:604 (1) - finish at 01:53:825 -
You can try to remove the middle one of 3x1/4claps
[Hard]
Too narrow,some notes stick and some not,such as 00:23:994 (2,3) - ,need add DS or SV
00:15:519 (1,2,3) - Ctrl+J
00:28:401 (10,11) - this have less DS than it shows because of slidercircle
00:42:638 (4,5,6,7) - Add finish with drum
01:38:232 (5) - NC
[Normal]
00:32:469 (2) - I think you can put it in bow 1's center
and these sliders...looks like have at least half a year old
[Easy]
Now,low difficulty maps is Slider!Slider!
Good luck:3
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

ts8zs wrote:

[Insane]
00:15:519 (1,2,3,1) - Ctrl+H Okay, feels much better ^^
00:33:147 (3,5,1) - Finish? Good idea
00:34:841 (3,4) - keep same DS with 1,2 Oops, didn't notice it
00:35:350 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/909529 Nice pattern, I'll take it!
00:45:689 - I think you break too much:3 I guess I'll map this break
01:07:384 - ^ This is an mug song,mug doesn't have such long breaks usually,If you want let player relax here,just make here eazier:3 I will map the break at 00:45:689, but this one fits with the song
01:49:079 (3,4,5,6) - Finish is too noisy Fixed
01:50:604 (1) - finish at 01:53:825 - Fixed
You can try to remove the middle one of 3x1/4claps I think they feel better this way :)
[Hard]
Too narrow,some notes stick and some not,such as 00:23:994 (2,3) - ,need add DS or SV Fixed some patterns to make it more readable, but it's meant to be narrow :P.
00:15:519 (1,2,3) - Ctrl+J Fixed
00:28:401 (10,11) - this have less DS than it shows because of slidercircle Fixed
00:42:638 (4,5,6,7) - Add finish with drum Fixed
01:38:232 (5) - NC
[Normal]
00:32:469 (2) - I think you can put it in bow 1's center Fixed
and these sliders...looks like have at least half a year old They actually are a year old :) I mapped this in 2012 and revived it recently. Anyways, remapped some slider and some patterns to make it look prettier
[Easy]
Now,low difficulty maps is Slider!Slider! Partially remapped with pretty sliders 8-)
Good luck:3
Thanks for the mod~!
Roxas
modded via IRC mania diff

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00:28 *Roxas is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/284786 kors k - smooooch [Heavy]]
00:28 Franc[e]sco: oh grazie
00:28 Franc[e]sco: poi posta la mod sul forum
00:28 Roxas: irc mod ti va' bene? xD
00:28 Franc[e]sco: beh basta che mi dici come si salva la irc
00:29 Franc[e]sco: per metterla sul thread
00:29 Franc[e]sco: così si vede che è stata editata
00:29 Franc[e]sco: asd
00:29 Roxas: /savelog
00:29 Roxas: xD
00:29 Franc[e]sco: kk
00:29 Roxas: 00:12:808 (12808|0,12808|2) - per questi fai copia incolla qui00:13:147 -
00:30 Franc[e]sco: giusto
00:31 Roxas: poi lasci il vuoto così in quel pezzo fino a 00:20:943 - ?
00:31 Roxas: (non dico che sia sbagliato, anzi mi piace)
00:31 Franc[e]sco: si
00:31 Franc[e]sco: è così
00:31 Roxas: ok
00:31 Franc[e]sco: volevo farla partire così lenta e poi streams
00:32 Roxas: ho notato
00:32 Roxas: che in tutta la map
00:32 Roxas: fai finire gli hold 1/4 prima di dove dovrebbero finire
00:32 Roxas: (sul tick blu diciamo)
00:32 Franc[e]sco: sì
00:32 Franc[e]sco: è così che di solito si mappano gli hold credo
00:32 Franc[e]sco: bè non ho problemi a farli marvelous
00:32 Franc[e]sco: penso che sia giusto
00:32 Roxas: di solito vengono fatti attaccati agli altri
00:33 Roxas: perché
00:33 Roxas: se senti, il suono è continuo
00:33 Roxas: non è che lo strumento finisce di suonare sul tick blu e poi rinizia sul bianco
00:33 Franc[e]sco: sì però osu!mania conta la precisione del rilascio
00:33 Franc[e]sco: quindi vengono meglio così per non missarli
00:33 Roxas: ma non li missi infatti, perché 00:22:299 (22299|2,22299|1) -
00:33 Roxas: come lasci questi
00:33 Roxas: prendi gli altri
00:34 Franc[e]sco: c'è un piccolo delay quando lasci i tasti e pigi gli altri due
00:34 Franc[e]sco: e ho visto che generalmente si tende a missarli di piu quando sono attaccati
00:34 Roxas: uhhhm io non credo sia così
00:34 Roxas: cioè il delay magari c'è
00:34 Franc[e]sco: ora provo
00:34 Roxas: anche se credo di 5 ms toh
00:34 Roxas: comunque comunemente i mapper
00:34 Roxas: li fanno attaccati
00:35 Franc[e]sco: ok mi sembrano giocabile comunque
00:35 Roxas: se fai con gil hold come dico io, sposta questo sul |2| 00:23:655 (23655|0) -
00:35 Franc[e]sco: quindi li metto attaccati
00:35 Roxas: vai :)
00:35 Roxas: la stessa cosa (di attaccarli)
00:35 Roxas: falli su questi che ti linko ora
00:35 Roxas: (così fai veloce)
00:35 Roxas: 00:27:553 (27553|1,27553|3) -
00:35 Franc[e]sco: aspetta
00:35 Franc[e]sco: quel punto che hai detto
00:35 Franc[e]sco: dovrei sovrapporre l'hold all'accordo?
00:36 Roxas: no, metti il circle che è nella colonna |1| nella colonna |2|
00:36 Roxas: la sovrapposizione non è concessa xD
00:36 Franc[e]sco: http://puu.sh/40wfj.png
00:36 Franc[e]sco: così no?
00:36 Franc[e]sco: ah ho capito quindi l'accordo diventa 2-3
00:36 Roxas: no, perché il circle è sotto l'hold
00:36 Roxas: esatto
00:36 Roxas: hai letto le regole mapping osu mania?
00:37 Franc[e]sco: sì ma non posso ricordarmele
00:37 Franc[e]sco: asd
00:37 Roxas: magari tieni questa pagina tra i preferiti, comunque sono pochissime cose
00:37 Roxas: http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu!mania_Ranking_Criteria
00:38 Franc[e]sco: kk
00:38 Roxas: poi vabbè, gli altri hold li attacchi tu normale?
00:38 Roxas: *normali
00:38 Franc[e]sco: sisi
00:38 Roxas: ok
00:40 Roxas: 00:23:655 - vedo che da qua segui le percussioni, giusto?
00:40 Franc[e]sco: più o meno sì
00:40 Franc[e]sco: il ritmo della melodia era troppo irregolare
00:40 Franc[e]sco: sarebbe stato noioso da giocare
00:41 Franc[e]sco: però ogni tanto torno alla melodia quando è mappabile bene
00:41 Roxas: yep, lo noto
00:41 Roxas: e non dovrebbe esserci un pattern preciso per le percussioni, giusto?
00:42 Franc[e]sco: non mi piaceva fare un copiaincolla
00:42 Franc[e]sco: e quindi non ho seguito nessun pattern ripetuto
00:42 Franc[e]sco: ma variato i pattern via via
00:42 Roxas: capisco
00:42 Roxas: qua: 00:25:180 (25180|2,25180|0) -
00:42 Roxas: metti 2 circle insieme ogni 1/2, qua ne hai messi due per?
00:43 Roxas: *ogni 1/1
00:43 Roxas: xD
00:43 Franc[e]sco: segue la melodia lì
00:43 Franc[e]sco: lol
00:44 Roxas: capito, allora aggiungi un circle pure qua 00:24:841 -
00:44 Roxas: sulla |4|
00:44 Roxas: seguila da lì la melodia in quel punto
00:44 Franc[e]sco: sì meglio
00:45 Franc[e]sco: è un misto comunque lì
00:45 Roxas: cioè ti faccio tutte ste domande solo per capire come hai fatto xD
00:45 Franc[e]sco: è tipo il ritmo della batteria
00:45 Franc[e]sco: con sovrapposti pezzi di melodia
00:45 Franc[e]sco: come note extra
00:45 Roxas: sìsì ma lo immaginavo
00:45 Roxas: ma non ne ho la certezza ovviamente finché non lo chiedo a te
00:46 Roxas: 00:28:994 - aggiungi un circle sul |2|, ci sta che è una bellezza
00:46 Franc[e]sco: sì
00:46 Franc[e]sco: aspetta ma subito dopo la singola o insieme?
00:46 Franc[e]sco: oh subito dopo
00:46 Franc[e]sco: 2
00:46 Franc[e]sco: giusto
00:46 Roxas: subito dopo la singola
00:46 Roxas: viene bello
00:47 Roxas: 00:34:163 (34163|3,34248|3,34333|3,34418|3,34502|3) - uhmm non so se ti romperanno un po' le palle per questo
00:47 Roxas: sai forse è di dito medio dovrebbero sbattersene
00:47 Franc[e]sco: ho chiesto su #osumania
00:47 Roxas: hanno "approvato"?
00:47 Franc[e]sco: i cosiddetti jacks sono rankabili
00:47 Roxas: good
00:47 Franc[e]sco: e non c'è niente di male
00:48 Franc[e]sco: anche perché fanno parte dello skillset di un giocatore
00:48 Roxas: non dico che non ci sia niente di male non fraintendermi
00:48 Roxas: xD
00:48 Roxas: però c'è un certo limite per i jack
00:48 Roxas: io misi jack 1/4 su 192 bpm lol
00:48 Franc[e]sco: questi li faccio full combo io
00:48 Franc[e]sco: quindi penso chiunque riesca a farli
00:48 Franc[e]sco: che sia nella media
00:48 Franc[e]sco: xD
00:48 Roxas: sìsì ma pure io non dico quello
00:48 Roxas: xD
00:49 Roxas: 00:38:825 - qua, se vuoi seguire la melodia, aggiungi 1 o 2 circle
00:50 Franc[e]sco: alle singole?
00:50 Roxas: 00:52:299 (52299|3,52384|3) - spostarli sull' |1| magari? non sembra un pattern malaccio
00:50 Franc[e]sco: le singole stanno bene così
00:50 Roxas: 00:38:825 - qua proprio dove dico io cliccaci xD
00:50 Roxas: ci son le doppie
00:50 Roxas: ma se senti c'è la melodia
00:50 Roxas: non so se la vuoi seguire o no
00:51 Franc[e]sco: vero
00:51 Franc[e]sco: hmm
00:51 Franc[e]sco: lo trasformo in 33 2+3
00:51 Roxas: ok
00:52 Roxas: 00:49:418 - aggiungi un circle in questo punot
00:52 Roxas: *punto aaaah
00:52 Roxas: serve la doppia lì
00:52 Franc[e]sco: e a 00:52 beh dopo che hai fatto lo stream bilanciato sulla sinistra meglio metterli sulla destra i jack
00:52 Franc[e]sco: okay
00:52 Roxas: a 52 sec era solo un fatto di pattern, non è errore tranqui
00:53 Roxas: 00:55:011 (55011|3,55350|3,55689|3,56028|3) - muovili a sinistra di una colonna
00:53 Roxas: 00:55:096 (55096|0,55435|0,55774|0) - muovili a destra di una colonna
00:54 Roxas: 00:56:113 - aggiungi nota sul |2|
00:54 Roxas: dimmi se ti piace sto pattern
00:54 Franc[e]sco: per 0:55 mi piace il trillo tutto uguale
00:54 Roxas: aspè non prende le note, faccio screen
00:54 Franc[e]sco: a volte è piu difficile tenere un trillo tutto uguale
00:54 Franc[e]sco: ah
00:54 Franc[e]sco: hmm
00:54 Roxas: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/924090
00:54 Franc[e]sco: forse ho capito
00:55 Franc[e]sco: mezzo trillo interno
00:55 Franc[e]sco: mezzo estreno
00:55 Roxas: così tipo
00:55 Franc[e]sco: si
00:55 Franc[e]sco: ok aggiunge varietà
00:55 Roxas: comunque, cancella questa nota 00:55:943 (55943|0) -
00:56 Franc[e]sco: giudto
00:56 Franc[e]sco: giusto*
00:56 Roxas: poi io farei una cosa così:
00:56 Roxas: 00:55:858 - aggiungi un circle sul |3| qui
00:56 Roxas: e qua sul |2| 00:56:028 -
00:56 Roxas: dovrebbe uscire così
00:56 Roxas: http://puu.sh/40xbt.png
00:57 Franc[e]sco: ok
00:58 Roxas: 01:00:265 - need doppia
00:58 Roxas: 01:00:265 - same
00:59 Roxas: oh no le ho scritte uguali rofl
00:59 Roxas: 00:58:909 -
00:59 Roxas: this intendevo anche
00:59 Franc[e]sco: ok
00:59 Roxas: 01:01:621 - pure qua (la metterei sul |3| qui)
00:59 Franc[e]sco: okay
01:00 Roxas: magari qua cambiare un po' invece di avere sempre i jack? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/924095
01:00 Roxas: 01:02:977 -
01:00 Roxas: questa part
01:01 Roxas: 01:07:045 - aggiungi una o 2 note
01:01 Franc[e]sco: allora metto accordi jack
01:01 Franc[e]sco: voglio lasciarli jack
01:01 Roxas: okok
01:02 Franc[e]sco: la fine degli hold fa da nota
01:02 Franc[e]sco: basta l'hold
01:02 Roxas: 01:16:536 - cancella la green line
01:02 Roxas: non la fa sempre, la fa solo negli editor
01:02 Franc[e]sco: uhh
01:03 Franc[e]sco: come faccio?
01:03 Franc[e]sco: ah c'era una timing section li
01:03 Franc[e]sco: che non serve in o!m
01:03 Roxas: xD
01:03 Roxas: come fai a toglierla dici?
01:03 Roxas: vai su timing panel
01:03 Franc[e]sco: sì c'era una timing section
01:03 Roxas: capit
01:04 Franc[e]sco: però aspé sembra che rimanga
01:04 Roxas: devi dare l'ok dopo che l'hai tolta
01:04 Roxas: togli anche quella dopo comunque di green line
01:05 Franc[e]sco: ok
01:05 Roxas: 01:30:096 - doppia
01:06 Roxas: ^
01:06 Roxas: 01:40:943 -
01:06 Roxas: 01:41:282 - ^
01:06 Roxas: per il resto è ok, sistema gli hold ed è tutto apposto per me
01:06 Roxas: saveloggo e posto sul forum, faccio tutto io xD
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Roxas wrote:

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00:28 *Roxas is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/284786 kors k - smooooch [Heavy]]
00:28 Franc[e]sco: oh grazie
00:28 Franc[e]sco: poi posta la mod sul forum
00:28 Roxas: irc mod ti va' bene? xD
00:28 Franc[e]sco: beh basta che mi dici come si salva la irc
00:29 Franc[e]sco: per metterla sul thread
00:29 Franc[e]sco: così si vede che è stata editata
00:29 Franc[e]sco: asd
00:29 Roxas: /savelog
00:29 Roxas: xD
00:29 Franc[e]sco: kk
00:29 Roxas: 00:12:808 (12808|0,12808|2) - per questi fai copia incolla qui00:13:147 -
00:30 Franc[e]sco: giusto
00:31 Roxas: poi lasci il vuoto così in quel pezzo fino a 00:20:943 - ?
00:31 Roxas: (non dico che sia sbagliato, anzi mi piace)
00:31 Franc[e]sco: si
00:31 Franc[e]sco: è così
00:31 Roxas: ok
00:31 Franc[e]sco: volevo farla partire così lenta e poi streams
00:32 Roxas: ho notato
00:32 Roxas: che in tutta la map
00:32 Roxas: fai finire gli hold 1/4 prima di dove dovrebbero finire
00:32 Roxas: (sul tick blu diciamo)
00:32 Franc[e]sco: sì
00:32 Franc[e]sco: è così che di solito si mappano gli hold credo
00:32 Franc[e]sco: bè non ho problemi a farli marvelous
00:32 Franc[e]sco: penso che sia giusto
00:32 Roxas: di solito vengono fatti attaccati agli altri
00:33 Roxas: perché
00:33 Roxas: se senti, il suono è continuo
00:33 Roxas: non è che lo strumento finisce di suonare sul tick blu e poi rinizia sul bianco
00:33 Franc[e]sco: sì però osu!mania conta la precisione del rilascio
00:33 Franc[e]sco: quindi vengono meglio così per non missarli
00:33 Roxas: ma non li missi infatti, perché 00:22:299 (22299|2,22299|1) -
00:33 Roxas: come lasci questi
00:33 Roxas: prendi gli altri
00:34 Franc[e]sco: c'è un piccolo delay quando lasci i tasti e pigi gli altri due
00:34 Franc[e]sco: e ho visto che generalmente si tende a missarli di piu quando sono attaccati
00:34 Roxas: uhhhm io non credo sia così
00:34 Roxas: cioè il delay magari c'è
00:34 Franc[e]sco: ora provo
00:34 Roxas: anche se credo di 5 ms toh
00:34 Roxas: comunque comunemente i mapper
00:34 Roxas: li fanno attaccati
00:35 Franc[e]sco: ok mi sembrano giocabile comunque
00:35 Roxas: se fai con gil hold come dico io, sposta questo sul |2| 00:23:655 (23655|0) -
00:35 Franc[e]sco: quindi li metto attaccati
00:35 Roxas: vai :)
00:35 Roxas: la stessa cosa (di attaccarli)
00:35 Roxas: falli su questi che ti linko ora
00:35 Roxas: (così fai veloce)
00:35 Roxas: 00:27:553 (27553|1,27553|3) -
00:35 Franc[e]sco: aspetta
00:35 Franc[e]sco: quel punto che hai detto
00:35 Franc[e]sco: dovrei sovrapporre l'hold all'accordo?
00:36 Roxas: no, metti il circle che è nella colonna |1| nella colonna |2|
00:36 Roxas: la sovrapposizione non è concessa xD
00:36 Franc[e]sco: http://puu.sh/40wfj.png
00:36 Franc[e]sco: così no?
00:36 Franc[e]sco: ah ho capito quindi l'accordo diventa 2-3
00:36 Roxas: no, perché il circle è sotto l'hold
00:36 Roxas: esatto
00:36 Roxas: hai letto le regole mapping osu mania?
00:37 Franc[e]sco: sì ma non posso ricordarmele
00:37 Franc[e]sco: asd
00:37 Roxas: magari tieni questa pagina tra i preferiti, comunque sono pochissime cose
00:37 Roxas: http://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Osu!mania_Ranking_Criteria
00:38 Franc[e]sco: kk
00:38 Roxas: poi vabbè, gli altri hold li attacchi tu normale?
00:38 Roxas: *normali
00:38 Franc[e]sco: sisi
00:38 Roxas: ok
00:40 Roxas: 00:23:655 - vedo che da qua segui le percussioni, giusto?
00:40 Franc[e]sco: più o meno sì
00:40 Franc[e]sco: il ritmo della melodia era troppo irregolare
00:40 Franc[e]sco: sarebbe stato noioso da giocare
00:41 Franc[e]sco: però ogni tanto torno alla melodia quando è mappabile bene
00:41 Roxas: yep, lo noto
00:41 Roxas: e non dovrebbe esserci un pattern preciso per le percussioni, giusto?
00:42 Franc[e]sco: non mi piaceva fare un copiaincolla
00:42 Franc[e]sco: e quindi non ho seguito nessun pattern ripetuto
00:42 Franc[e]sco: ma variato i pattern via via
00:42 Roxas: capisco
00:42 Roxas: qua: 00:25:180 (25180|2,25180|0) -
00:42 Roxas: metti 2 circle insieme ogni 1/2, qua ne hai messi due per?
00:43 Roxas: *ogni 1/1
00:43 Roxas: xD
00:43 Franc[e]sco: segue la melodia lì
00:43 Franc[e]sco: lol
00:44 Roxas: capito, allora aggiungi un circle pure qua 00:24:841 -
00:44 Roxas: sulla |4|
00:44 Roxas: seguila da lì la melodia in quel punto
00:44 Franc[e]sco: sì meglio
00:45 Franc[e]sco: è un misto comunque lì
00:45 Roxas: cioè ti faccio tutte ste domande solo per capire come hai fatto xD
00:45 Franc[e]sco: è tipo il ritmo della batteria
00:45 Franc[e]sco: con sovrapposti pezzi di melodia
00:45 Franc[e]sco: come note extra
00:45 Roxas: sìsì ma lo immaginavo
00:45 Roxas: ma non ne ho la certezza ovviamente finché non lo chiedo a te
00:46 Roxas: 00:28:994 - aggiungi un circle sul |2|, ci sta che è una bellezza
00:46 Franc[e]sco: sì
00:46 Franc[e]sco: aspetta ma subito dopo la singola o insieme?
00:46 Franc[e]sco: oh subito dopo
00:46 Franc[e]sco: 2
00:46 Franc[e]sco: giusto
00:46 Roxas: subito dopo la singola
00:46 Roxas: viene bello
00:47 Roxas: 00:34:163 (34163|3,34248|3,34333|3,34418|3,34502|3) - uhmm non so se ti romperanno un po' le palle per questo
00:47 Roxas: sai forse è di dito medio dovrebbero sbattersene
00:47 Franc[e]sco: ho chiesto su #osumania
00:47 Roxas: hanno "approvato"?
00:47 Franc[e]sco: i cosiddetti jacks sono rankabili
00:47 Roxas: good
00:47 Franc[e]sco: e non c'è niente di male
00:48 Franc[e]sco: anche perché fanno parte dello skillset di un giocatore
00:48 Roxas: non dico che non ci sia niente di male non fraintendermi
00:48 Roxas: xD
00:48 Roxas: però c'è un certo limite per i jack
00:48 Roxas: io misi jack 1/4 su 192 bpm lol
00:48 Franc[e]sco: questi li faccio full combo io
00:48 Franc[e]sco: quindi penso chiunque riesca a farli
00:48 Franc[e]sco: che sia nella media
00:48 Franc[e]sco: xD
00:48 Roxas: sìsì ma pure io non dico quello
00:48 Roxas: xD
00:49 Roxas: 00:38:825 - qua, se vuoi seguire la melodia, aggiungi 1 o 2 circle
00:50 Franc[e]sco: alle singole?
00:50 Roxas: 00:52:299 (52299|3,52384|3) - spostarli sull' |1| magari? non sembra un pattern malaccio
00:50 Franc[e]sco: le singole stanno bene così
00:50 Roxas: 00:38:825 - qua proprio dove dico io cliccaci xD
00:50 Roxas: ci son le doppie
00:50 Roxas: ma se senti c'è la melodia
00:50 Roxas: non so se la vuoi seguire o no
00:51 Franc[e]sco: vero
00:51 Franc[e]sco: hmm
00:51 Franc[e]sco: lo trasformo in 33 2+3
00:51 Roxas: ok
00:52 Roxas: 00:49:418 - aggiungi un circle in questo punot
00:52 Roxas: *punto aaaah
00:52 Roxas: serve la doppia lì
00:52 Franc[e]sco: e a 00:52 beh dopo che hai fatto lo stream bilanciato sulla sinistra meglio metterli sulla destra i jack
00:52 Franc[e]sco: okay
00:52 Roxas: a 52 sec era solo un fatto di pattern, non è errore tranqui
00:53 Roxas: 00:55:011 (55011|3,55350|3,55689|3,56028|3) - muovili a sinistra di una colonna
00:53 Roxas: 00:55:096 (55096|0,55435|0,55774|0) - muovili a destra di una colonna
00:54 Roxas: 00:56:113 - aggiungi nota sul |2|
00:54 Roxas: dimmi se ti piace sto pattern
00:54 Franc[e]sco: per 0:55 mi piace il trillo tutto uguale
00:54 Roxas: aspè non prende le note, faccio screen
00:54 Franc[e]sco: a volte è piu difficile tenere un trillo tutto uguale
00:54 Franc[e]sco: ah
00:54 Franc[e]sco: hmm
00:54 Roxas: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/924090
00:54 Franc[e]sco: forse ho capito
00:55 Franc[e]sco: mezzo trillo interno
00:55 Franc[e]sco: mezzo estreno
00:55 Roxas: così tipo
00:55 Franc[e]sco: si
00:55 Franc[e]sco: ok aggiunge varietà
00:55 Roxas: comunque, cancella questa nota 00:55:943 (55943|0) -
00:56 Franc[e]sco: giudto
00:56 Franc[e]sco: giusto*
00:56 Roxas: poi io farei una cosa così:
00:56 Roxas: 00:55:858 - aggiungi un circle sul |3| qui
00:56 Roxas: e qua sul |2| 00:56:028 -
00:56 Roxas: dovrebbe uscire così
00:56 Roxas: http://puu.sh/40xbt.png
00:57 Franc[e]sco: ok
00:58 Roxas: 01:00:265 - need doppia
00:58 Roxas: 01:00:265 - same
00:59 Roxas: oh no le ho scritte uguali rofl
00:59 Roxas: 00:58:909 -
00:59 Roxas: this intendevo anche
00:59 Franc[e]sco: ok
00:59 Roxas: 01:01:621 - pure qua (la metterei sul |3| qui)
00:59 Franc[e]sco: okay
01:00 Roxas: magari qua cambiare un po' invece di avere sempre i jack? http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/924095
01:00 Roxas: 01:02:977 -
01:00 Roxas: questa part
01:01 Roxas: 01:07:045 - aggiungi una o 2 note
01:01 Franc[e]sco: allora metto accordi jack
01:01 Franc[e]sco: voglio lasciarli jack
01:01 Roxas: okok
01:02 Franc[e]sco: la fine degli hold fa da nota
01:02 Franc[e]sco: basta l'hold
01:02 Roxas: 01:16:536 - cancella la green line
01:02 Roxas: non la fa sempre, la fa solo negli editor
01:02 Franc[e]sco: uhh
01:03 Franc[e]sco: come faccio?
01:03 Franc[e]sco: ah c'era una timing section li
01:03 Franc[e]sco: che non serve in o!m
01:03 Roxas: xD
01:03 Roxas: come fai a toglierla dici?
01:03 Roxas: vai su timing panel
01:03 Franc[e]sco: sì c'era una timing section
01:03 Roxas: capit
01:04 Franc[e]sco: però aspé sembra che rimanga
01:04 Roxas: devi dare l'ok dopo che l'hai tolta
01:04 Roxas: togli anche quella dopo comunque di green line
01:05 Franc[e]sco: ok
01:05 Roxas: 01:30:096 - doppia
01:06 Roxas: ^
01:06 Roxas: 01:40:943 -
01:06 Roxas: 01:41:282 - ^
01:06 Roxas: per il resto è ok, sistema gli hold ed è tutto apposto per me
01:06 Roxas: saveloggo e posto sul forum, faccio tutto io xD
Thanks for the mod~
Sephibro
[Insane]
HP drain is too little, i suggest HP+1

00:30:604 (6,7,8) - add circle here 00:30:774 - you can even do a pattern like this http://puu.sh/40YPT.jpg
00:53:316 (1) - i would move it on x:428 y:336, on the head of 00:53:486 (2) - the previous 2 note patterns were 1/4 snap, using the same pattern for 1/2 might bring confusion
00:53:316 (1) - remove NC
00:53:486 (9) - add NC
01:02:977 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - i think it would flow better converting to sliders like 00:46:706 (1,2,3)
from 01:16:536 to 01:28:740 - i don't like this part, i think you shouldn't follow melody here; percussions could help better creating something cool
01:46:706 - i would put a circle here
01:47:214 - ^

[Hard]
settings look ok

00:42:638 (4,5,6,7) - hitsounds suck here, remove or put your own in the folder and enable custom hitsounds
01:00:265 - http://puu.sh/410nS.jpg could go to, just a suggestion tho
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Sephibro wrote:

[Insane]
HP drain is too little, i suggest HP+1 Yeah

00:30:604 (6,7,8) - add circle here 00:30:774 - you can even do a pattern like this http://puu.sh/40YPT.jpg The circles are following the melody at this point. That extra circle would be off-beat
00:53:316 (1) - i would move it on x:428 y:336, on the head of 00:53:486 (2) - the previous 2 note patterns were 1/4 snap, using the same pattern for 1/2 might bring confusion Okay
00:53:316 (1) - remove NC Okay
00:53:486 (9) - add NC Okay
01:02:977 (1,2,3,4,5,1) - i think it would flow better converting to sliders like 00:46:706 (1,2,3) It fits better this way as its the end of the section and it adds variety
from 01:16:536 to 01:28:740 - i don't like this part, i think you shouldn't follow melody here; percussions could help better creating something cool I find it cool :> especially with the clapping sounds
01:46:706 - i would put a circle here Off-beat
01:47:214 - ^ Off-beat

[Hard]
settings look ok

00:42:638 (4,5,6,7) - hitsounds suck here, remove or put your own in the folder and enable custom hitsounds Replaced with normal hitsound + finish sounds according to the drums
01:00:265 - http://puu.sh/410nS.jpg could go to, just a suggestion tho What about this http://waa.ai/R9O
Thanks for the mod~!
Also I might consider replacing all sliders with the new ones to make them look prettier, but we will see about that. At the moment it looks nice even with pre-perfect sliders

Beatmap submission isn't working right now. I'll upload the updated version as soon as it works.
EDIT: Updated!
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Map revived. I finally have some time to work my butt off to get some mods on this and hopefully get it ranked :)
Selisi
modding~
Plz fix all unsnap notes! what's wrong with your insane diff? changing slider velocity would led to slider tail unsnap.
and I would mod it after you fix it :(
Nitori
Hello! From my modding queue~

Since your mania maps don't have many mods yet, I won't be getting into specifics. I'll point out general things about your map that can be improved on (without going like "put this note here" and such).

[Heavy 4K]
SPOILER
Simply a recommendation, but start your song earlier? Every other smooooch map starts at the beginning, and the song itself is short anyways.

This map is too reliant on jacks. You don't really need any jacks in this map, but if you want to keep them, use only one or two and don't make them longer than 2 or 3 in a row.
00:25:858 (25858|3,25943|3,26028|3) - Parts like this can be made better on alternating rows, like 4,2,4. They're more fun to play anyways.

Hit sounding is inconsistent. You use the normal hitsounds in some parts, cymbals in others, and all claps in some other parts without there being a huge change in the rhythm. Stick with one type of hit sounding per section. I know some stepmania skins like to use all claps, so you can try doing all claps in the chorus, for example.

00:42:638 (42638|2) - This part here, you can be more creative than going back and forth between two notes. Use streams like 1,2,3,4 or alt streams like 1,4,2,3 or some variation of that.

00:50:774 (50774|3) - Doesn't quite warrant a holds. Map it like the previous section.

00:54:841 (54841|3) - I liked playing this part. It's the variation I like to see.

01:04:333 (64333|1,64333|2) - You can map these parts without making them long holds.

01:07:045 - A general rule of thumb is mania maps don't have breaks, or whole sections without notes. If you want a part to feel like a break, you can map it with greatly reduced note density, like one note every beat. But don't leave it completely open like this.

01:23:316 (83316|2,83316|0) - Change all of these to claps

[Beginner 4K]
SPOILER
Again another suggestion, but if you want to call this map beginner, make it easier? Beginner implies anyone who's never played the game before can pass it. Otherwise, a more suitable name for it would be Easy or probably Normal.

00:18:231 (18231|3,18231|0) - Add another half a beat later.

00:26:367 (26367|2,27045|1) - These holdsare not needed. It feels like they interrupt the beat.

00:23:655 (23655|2,23994|0,23994|2) - I like this pattern of 1-2-1-2 in this chorus. It helps to be consistent in easier levels. Try to follow that pattern through this chorus.

00:39:926 (39926|2,39926|3) - Sounds like you're trying to map to the melody here but there are too few notes and it sounds disjointed. I recommend just continuing to follow the beat (unless you can make an easy way to follow the melody).

00:42:638 (42638|0,42638|2) - Like before, these can be regular notes, not just holds.

00:47:214 - Add a note here, remove the whistles.

00:53:486 (53486|3,53486|0) - You can map these two holds.

00:58:909 (58909|2,58909|1) - I think the 1-2-1-2 pattern would fit here.

01:05:689 (65689|2,65689|3) - Map these two holds.

01:07:045 - Again, don't leave big breaks.

01:20:604 (80604|3,80604|0,81282|2,81282|1) - Map these long notes.

01:34:163 (94163|1,94841|1) - Remove

01:46:197 (106197|1) - It seems like you're trying to follow the melody here too but it comes up short. Map these to the beat since I'm not sure how they can easily be mapped to the melody.

If you need clarification on anything, feel free to ask. I sometimes have weird wordings when I'm trying to explain things. Good luck!
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Updated! Now fixing snapping issues for Sweet Vanilla's mod. I'll let you know once I'm done, Vanilla!

// 02/15/2014 -------------------------------------------------------------------
-Heavy-
Added Nitori's mods.
-Beginner-
Remapped at least half of this diff to make it easier and added Nitori's mods.
TODO: also map the beginning of this diff
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thank you so much for the mod!~

Nitori wrote:

Hello! From my modding queue~

Since your mania maps don't have many mods yet, I won't be getting into specifics. I'll point out general things about your map that can be improved on (without going like "put this note here" and such).

[Heavy 4K]
Simply a recommendation, but start your song earlier? Every other smooooch map starts at the beginning, and the song itself is short anyways.
Mapped.

This map is too reliant on jacks. You don't really need any jacks in this map, but if you want to keep them, use only one or two and don't make them longer than 2 or 3 in a row.
00:25:858 (25858|3,25943|3,26028|3) - Parts like this can be made better on alternating rows, like 4,2,4. They're more fun to play anyways.
Is it that critical to avoid having too much jacks? Since this map doesn't have very fast streams I like making it harder with jacks. And these jacks aren't even that fast, any average player should be able to hit 4-5 in a row. If it's unrankable I'll remove them though.

Hit sounding is inconsistent. You use the normal hitsounds in some parts, cymbals in others, and all claps in some other parts without there being a huge change in the rhythm. Stick with one type of hit sounding per section. I know some stepmania skins like to use all claps, so you can try doing all claps in the chorus, for example.
The all-claps part after the break is fitting IMHO. I'll try to make everything else more consistent though.

00:42:638 (42638|2) - This part here, you can be more creative than going back and forth between two notes. Use streams like 1,2,3,4 or alt streams like 1,4,2,3 or some variation of that.
I like having actual trills on drum rolls :P

00:50:774 (50774|3) - Doesn't quite warrant a holds. Map it like the previous section.
Erm I think you linked the wrong part of the map. If you're talking about the hold before this stream, then I'll remove it.

00:54:841 (54841|3) - I liked playing this part. It's the variation I like to see.
Made it into three different patterns.

01:04:333 (64333|1,64333|2) - You can map these parts without making them long holds.
Mapped.

01:07:045 - A general rule of thumb is mania maps don't have breaks, or whole sections without notes. If you want a part to feel like a break, you can map it with greatly reduced note density, like one note every beat. But don't leave it completely open like this.
Mapped.

01:23:316 (83316|2,83316|0) - Change all of these to claps
Do you mean all of the chords? Done.

[Beginner 4K]
Again another suggestion, but if you want to call this map beginner, make it easier? Beginner implies anyone who's never played the game before can pass it. Otherwise, a more suitable name for it would be Easy or probably Normal.
I'll make it easier by halving some beats, and I'll try to incorporate your mods when applicable to the simplified map.

00:18:231 (18231|3,18231|0) - Add another half a beat later.
Done.

00:26:367 (26367|2,27045|1) - These holdsare not needed. It feels like they interrupt the beat.
Replaced with single notes.

00:23:655 (23655|2,23994|0,23994|2) - I like this pattern of 1-2-1-2 in this chorus. It helps to be consistent in easier levels. Try to follow that pattern through this chorus.
Done. But I had to remove half of this beat to make it easier.

00:39:926 (39926|2,39926|3) - Sounds like you're trying to map to the melody here but there are too few notes and it sounds disjointed. I recommend just continuing to follow the beat (unless you can make an easy way to follow the melody).
Fix'd.

00:42:638 (42638|0,42638|2) - Like before, these can be regular notes, not just holds.
These holds are supposed to represent drum rolls. I think they're fitting.

00:47:214 - Add a note here, remove the whistles.
I think the whistles fit the vocals.
Added that note and made the beat simpler.

00:53:486 (53486|3,53486|0) - You can map these two holds.
Done.

00:58:909 (58909|2,58909|1) - I think the 1-2-1-2 pattern would fit here.
Changed this part to a simpler beat to make the song easier.

01:05:689 (65689|2,65689|3) - Map these two holds.
Done.

01:07:045 - Again, don't leave big breaks.
Mapped.

01:20:604 (80604|3,80604|0,81282|2,81282|1) - Map these long notes.
Mapped.

01:34:163 (94163|1,94841|1) - Remove
Done.

01:46:197 (106197|1) - It seems like you're trying to follow the melody here too but it comes up short. Map these to the beat since I'm not sure how they can easily be mapped to the melody.
Done.

If you need clarification on anything, feel free to ask. I sometimes have weird wordings when I'm trying to explain things. Good luck!
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco

Sweet Vanilla wrote:

modding~
Plz fix all unsnap notes! what's wrong with your insane diff? changing slider velocity would led to slider tail unsnap.
and I would mod it after you fix it :(
Fixed all unsnapped kiai and beats. I have no idea on how they became unsnapped but maybe it was because of beatmap format changes. Vanilla, you can go ahead with your mod~
Selisi
okay~ M4M from my queue~
~sorry for so late :o
and suggestions may be more useful than mod,it saves you a lot of grief
[General]
  1. add some custom hit sounds, make your map be more rhythmic
  2. and finish should use soft finish, normal finish can not be hear clearly.
[mania]
  1. Beginner like 00:24:333 - should be mapped ( It sounds very clear, and star rating about 1.5. it is fine for beginner diff
  2. Heavy 00:01:960 - add a note to stress. 00:03:316 - 00:04:672 - etc. and add note at 00:40:604 - 00:56:875 - for clap etc, 00:47:384 (47384|0,47384|3) - should add clap here etc..
[Easy]
  1. keep your distance snap open as you map this diff
[Normal]
  1. 00:12:130 (1) - this spinner is too short, remove it and add two note
  2. and combo color 00:13:147 (1) - should be changed to other one, because of the spinner color as using default skin
  3. 00:15:689 - add note, and 123 stack together
  4. 01:32:469 - try this flow and yours look not very good
  5. 01:40:943 (4) - shape looks haha, remake a slider and adjust curve.
  6. 01:45:858 (3) - it is too bent
[Hard]
  1. hit point feel good, but spacing in hard diff is also very important, jump only be approved as 1)"big sounds" finish or clap here,2)same shape that player may read it. 01:02:977 (1,2) - these is unsuited
  2. 00:12:130 (1) - this spinner is kinda short, it can not be recognized in every diff
  3. and rhythm you should make it be played comfortable, for example 00:24:841 (6,1) - these two may change to one long slider, and it sounds good. ( do not usually use same rhythm, try to do more changes and finally make it played well.
  4. you should also check whether you map get "full sounds mapped" ,ex: add note here 00:55:858 - 00:56:028 -
[Insane]
  1. 00:12:130 (1,1) - ^
  2. 00:45:689 (1,3) - make overlap(3 stack with 1's tail) here to make your map looked tidier
  3. put more jump for circles,and rhythm not only do as hard do.
considering it's your 1st map, so many things need to say, and my English is not very good. just point out something as example
you may consult these ranked map for help.
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/63708 for your osu standard diff
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/257524 for your mania diff
you might ask me in game for help, if you can not understand my modding.
REDYUMiKA
Hi there~, I came here to review this map by request. (Column:1,2,3,4)

[General]
Letterbox doesn't allowed in osumania beatmaps.
Why do you set OD & HP to each diff as the same values?


[Patterns of 4K Beginner]
00:23:655 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:23:994 -
00:26:028 (26028|3) - move to 2
00:27:384 (27384|2) - move to 4
00:28:062 (28062|3) - move to 2
00:28:401 (28401|3) - move to 3
00:29:418 (29418|0) - move to 2
00:31:791 (31791|2) - move to 4
00:32:469 (32469|2) - move to 4
00:34:502 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:34:841 -
00:34:841 (34841|1) - move to 4
00:35:519 (35519|3) - move to 2
00:37:553 (37553|3) - move to 2
00:38:231 (38231|3) - move to 1
00:40:265 (40265|2) - move to 2
00:41:621 (41621|3) - move to 2
00:45:350 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:45:689 -
00:45:689 (45689|2) - move to 4
00:46:706 (46706|3) - move to 1
00:47:214 (47214|2) - move to 4
00:47:384 (47384|3) - move to 2
00:47:723 - add a note to 4
00:49:079 (49079|0) - move to 2
00:49:418 (49418|0,49418|2) - remove, then add a LN to 3, end at 00:50:096 -
00:50:435 - add a note to 2
00:51:113 (51113|1,51791|1) - move to 1
00:52:130 (52130|3) - remove, then add a LN to 2, end at 00:52:808 -
00:52:808 - add a note to 1
00:53:147 (53147|0) - move to 3
00:53:486 - add a note to 2
00:53:825 (53825|0) - move to 4
00:54:163 (54163|3) - move to 2
00:54:502 (54502|0) - move to 4
00:56:197 - add a LN to 1, end at 00:56:536 -
00:58:909 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:59:248 -
01:01:621 - add a LN to 3, end at 01:01:960 -

*The below mod is up to you. --
01:01:621 (61621|3) - remove
01:01:960 - add a note to 4
--

01:02:299 (62299|2,62638|1) - Ctrl+H
01:02:977 (62977|3) - move to 2
01:03:994 (63994|0) - move to 3
01:07:723 (67723|2,69079|3,70435|2,71791|3,73147|0,74502|1,75858|0) - remove
01:07:045 - to 01:16:197 - I strongly recommend you add notes to each white measure line.
01:17:892 - to 01:23:316 - remap, uncomfortable patterns

[Comment]
First, you should fix the general problems as I pointed out.
and then.., this is basic diff, isn't it?
I have found out many uncomfortable patterns which novice would think so.
Actually your map is 2 mania only, then both diff is too different from a difficulty point of view,
thus I strongly recommend you recheck overall patterns more carefully.
4k basic is needed comfortable patterns, moreover 4k heavy has too many jackhammers.
please fix yourself before I will mod 4k heavy. Good Luck.
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks for the mod~
Also I'm still working on adding Vanilla's mods, as they require some remapping :3

lil_yumika_lil wrote:

Hi there~, I came here to review this map by request. (Column:1,2,3,4)

[General]
Letterbox doesn't allowed in osumania beatmaps.
Why do you set OD & HP to each diff as the same values?

Fixed both. I didn't know about letterbox and I forgot about OD & HP ^^'.

[Patterns of 4K Beginner]
00:23:655 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:23:994 - Done
00:26:028 (26028|3) - move to 2 Done
00:27:384 (27384|2) - move to 4 Done
00:28:062 (28062|3) - move to 2 Done
00:28:401 (28401|3) - move to 3 Done
00:29:418 (29418|0) - move to 2 Done
00:31:791 (31791|2) - move to 4 Done
00:32:469 (32469|2) - move to 4 Done
00:34:502 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:34:841 - Done
00:34:841 (34841|1) - move to 4 Done
00:35:519 (35519|3) - move to 2 Done
00:37:553 (37553|3) - move to 2 Done
00:38:231 (38231|3) - move to 1 Done
00:40:265 (40265|2) - move to 2 Done
00:41:621 (41621|3) - move to 2 Done
00:45:350 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:45:689 - Done
00:45:689 (45689|2) - move to 4 Done
00:46:706 (46706|3) - move to 1 Done
00:47:214 (47214|2) - move to 4 Done
00:47:384 (47384|3) - move to 2 Done
00:47:723 - add a note to 4 Done
00:49:079 (49079|0) - move to 2 Done
00:49:418 (49418|0,49418|2) - remove, then add a LN to 3, end at 00:50:096 - Done
00:50:435 - add a note to 2 Done
00:51:113 (51113|1,51791|1) - move to 1 Done
00:52:130 (52130|3) - remove, then add a LN to 2, end at 00:52:808 - Done
00:52:808 - add a note to 1 Done
00:53:147 (53147|0) - move to 3 Done
00:53:486 - add a note to 2 Done
00:53:825 (53825|0) - move to 4 Done
00:54:163 (54163|3) - move to 2 Done
00:54:502 (54502|0) - move to 4 Done
00:56:197 - add a LN to 1, end at 00:56:536 - Done
00:58:909 - add a LN to 2, end at 00:59:248 - Done
01:01:621 - add a LN to 3, end at 01:01:960 - Done

*The below mod is up to you. --
01:01:621 (61621|3) - remove Done
01:01:960 - add a note to 4 Done
--

01:02:299 (62299|2,62638|1) - Ctrl+H
01:02:977 (62977|3) - move to 2
01:03:994 (63994|0) - move to 3
Feels too linear

01:07:723 (67723|2,69079|3,70435|2,71791|3,73147|0,74502|1,75858|0) - remove
01:07:045 - to 01:16:197 - I strongly recommend you add notes to each white measure line.
I initially had beats on the white measure lines but it didn't quite feel right.

01:17:892 - to 01:23:316 - remap, uncomfortable patterns
Remapped

[Comment]
First, you should fix the general problems as I pointed out.
and then.., this is basic diff, isn't it?
I have found out many uncomfortable patterns which novice would think so.
Thanks for the tips, the beginner diff should be comfortable for novices now.

Actually your map is 2 mania only, then both diff is too different from a difficulty point of view,
thus I strongly recommend you recheck overall patterns more carefully.
4k basic is needed comfortable patterns, moreover 4k heavy has too many jackhammers.
please fix yourself before I will mod 4k heavy. Good Luck.
I will try to remove some of the random 3-note jacks.
Are jacks that critical? I kinda want to keep at least the long one because it makes the map challenging and fun, Since the song dowsn't allow for very fast streams and I prefer speed over complicated patterns, I made it challenging with jacks. It shouldn't be unrankable AFAIK.
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks for the mod and all of the patience you put in it~

Sweet Vanilla wrote:

okay~ M4M from my queue~
~sorry for so late :o
and suggestions may be more useful than mod,it saves you a lot of grief
[General]
  1. add some custom hit sounds, make your map be more rhythmic The default hitsounds are rhythmic enough, and no one leaves the default hitsounds anyways.
  2. and finish should use soft finish, normal finish can not be hear clearly. I switched the entire map to soft hitsounds because they sound better
[mania]
  1. Beginner like 00:24:333 - should be mapped ( It sounds very clear, and star rating about 1.5. it is fine for beginner diff Hmm I'm not sure. This beginner diff should be for absolute novices since I only have 2 mania diffs.
  2. Heavy 00:01:960 - add a note to stress. 00:03:316 - 00:04:672 - etc. and add note at 00:40:604 - 00:56:875 - for clap etc, 00:47:384 (47384|0,47384|3) - should add clap here etc..
    I want the intro to be really low on intensity. Also the claps you suggested are off-beat, I only clap every two white lines.
[Easy]
  1. keep your distance snap open as you map this diff
Remapped with distance snap
[Normal]
  1. 00:12:130 (1) - this spinner is too short, remove it and add two note Fixed
  2. and combo color 00:13:147 (1) - should be changed to other one, because of the spinner color as using default skin Removed the spinner
  3. 00:15:689 - add note, and 123 stack together Fixed
  4. 01:32:469 - try this flow and yours look not very good Fixed
  5. 01:40:943 (4) - shape looks haha, remake a slider and adjust curve. Fixed
  6. 01:45:858 (3) - it is too bent Fixed
[Hard]
  1. hit point feel good, but spacing in hard diff is also very important, jump only be approved as 1)"big sounds" finish or clap here,2)same shape that player may read it. 01:02:977 (1,2) - these is unsuited Fixed
  2. 00:12:130 (1) - this spinner is kinda short, it can not be recognized in every diff Removed
  3. and rhythm you should make it be played comfortable, for example 00:24:841 (6,1) - these two may change to one long slider, and it sounds good. ( do not usually use same rhythm, try to do more changes and finally make it played well. Done. Also changed some patterns to make them look cleaner
  4. you should also check whether you map get "full sounds mapped" ,ex: add note here 00:55:858 - 00:56:028 - Done
[Insane]
  1. 00:12:130 (1,1) - ^ Done
  2. 00:45:689 (1,3) - make overlap(3 stack with 1's tail) here to make your map looked tidier Done
  3. put more jump for circles,and rhythm not only do as hard do.I prefer making maps where you need to be skilled with rhythm and streams instead of jumps :P
considering it's your 1st map, so many things need to say, and my English is not very good. just point out something as example
you may consult these ranked map for help.
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/63708 for your osu standard diff
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/257524 for your mania diff
you might ask me in game for help, if you can not understand my modding.
REDYUMiKA

Franc[e]sco wrote:

Are jacks that critical? I kinda want to keep at least the long one because it makes the map challenging and fun, Since the song dowsn't allow for very fast streams and I prefer speed over complicated patterns, I made it challenging with jacks. It shouldn't be unrankable AFAIK.
I don't mean to deny your patterns, and should be approved generously to some extent unless it is not diff for novice,
but don't forget that too high difficulty patterns would impress a bad evaluation rather than a challenging spirit on almost player,
especially in ranked map. (..needless to say, there are players who like high difficulty patterns, and me too)
Extreme maps will be evaluated as good even if it is not ranked, that's clearly.
To be loved it forever, just I recommend you that. Of course your opinion is not wrong.
It's up to you what kind of ways you will take.
Neiji Razuiya
hi from my m4m queue :3
sorry for late~

[Easy]
nice,not bad :3

[Normal]
nice

[Hard]
00:57:808 (2) - why this blue tick?
00:58:909 (7) - NC :3

[Insane]
wow O.O
dont know how to mod it >_<

ok star \:D/
i give star if map nice :3

your spacing is good,that why i not mod to much~
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks for the mod :)

Neiji Razuiya wrote:

hi from my m4m queue :3
sorry for late~

[Easy]
nice,not bad :3

[Normal]
nice

[Hard]
00:57:808 (2) - why this blue tick? It matches the beat.
00:58:909 (7) - NC :3 Fixed.

[Insane]
wow O.O
dont know how to mod it >_<

ok star \:D/
i give star if map nice :3

your spacing is good,that why i not mod to much~
arcwinolivirus
From Arcwinolivirus' Speed Modding Queue!
Take note that I'm only focusing on note patterns, note placements and note consistency. Not the actual hitsound itself.

[General]
Audio : OK!
BG : OK!
Offset / BPM : OK!
Hitsound : OK!
AiMod:
• Kiai'end isn't snapped at 01:50:599 I suggest to fix it by snapping the ending of kiai time at 01:50:435



[Beginner]
• Difficulty of the map should be: HP=6, OD=7. It is recommended to fix. Its on AiMod.


SPOILER
00:12:808 (12808|0,12808|3) - move to 2 and 3 since the next 2 notes has a different pitch/level.
00:15:858 (15858|1) - remove since its not strong as 00:15:519 (15519|2,15519|1) to be 2-noted. Its just a beat sound.
00:18:570 (18570|0,18570|3) - remove. This part is like the 1st 2 notes.
00:33:147 (33147|2) - Reduce the Long note to 00:33:825. Then add long note to 4 at 00:33:825 until 00:34:502
00:34:502 (34502|1) - change this long note into short note for starting beat. its inconsistent and not the same as 00:23:655 (23655|1) which have a strong synth sound.
00:45:350 (45350|2) - ^
01:04:333 (64333|0) - reduce this to half until 01:05:011. Then add another long note at 4th column, 01:05:011 until 01:05:689
01:21:282 (81282|3) - remove. Why is this 2-noted? its not consistent as this 01:21:960 (81960|0,81960|3) which have another sound.
01:28:740 - add note to 1 as starting beat. its actually a strong sound.
01:33:147 (93147|0) - remove and add note to 1 at 01:34:163
01:35:519 - add note to 1 for the cymbals.
01:36:875 - add note to 3
01:37:553 - add note to 2
01:38:231 - add note to 3
01:39:587 - add note to 4
01:45:011 - add note to 4
01:45:689 (105689|2) - remove. not strong enough to be 2-noted.
01:50:435 (110435|0,110435|3) - suggesting to extend this long notes until 01:53:825

[Heavy]
Recommended to change into OD = 8, HP = 7
I'll be just taking note on some parts of this difficulty.

SPOILER
00:13:147 to 00:20:943 - I recommend to continue the synth melody in this timeline. It just feels empty for an heavy difficulty.
00:25:858 (25858|3,26028|3,26197|3,26367|3,26536|3) - rearrange this kinds of stack up for more comfortable hand play. Apply to all similar note placements.
00:34:163 (34163|3,34248|3,34333|3,34418|3,34502|3) - these notes should be alternating or trills and not jackhammers (eg. 00:42:638 (42638|2,42723|1,42808|2,42892|1,42977|2,43062|1,43147|2,43231|1) ). Its like a snare roll. Recommend to rearrange.
00:44:757 (44757|1,44926|1,45096|1) - remove. make the beat + percussion do the 2-noted notes.
00:49:248 (49248|3,49333|3) - move to 2. These 2 notes are acceptable to be jack but not to the 00:49:418 (49418|3) since its a different pitch.
00:52:553 (52553|3,52638|3) - move to 1 for alternating jacks and to be more comfortable. These jacks are acceptable.
00:59:587 - add note to 2. There's a beat sound to note here.
01:01:113 (61113|3,61197|3) - move to 1 for hand balance.
01:16:536 (76536|0,77214|1) - feels empty inside. Put some notes for the beat and other sounds.


[Overall]
I am amazed that you can also do mania charts. Keep it up and Goodluck! :)
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks for the super fast mod! You have a very good sense of flow when it comes to o!m maps!

arcwinolivirus wrote:

From Arcwinolivirus' Speed Modding Queue!
Take note that I'm only focusing on note patterns, note placements and note consistency. Not the actual hitsound itself.

[General]
Audio : OK!
BG : OK!
Offset / BPM : OK!
Hitsound : OK!
AiMod:
• Kiai'end isn't snapped at 01:50:599 I suggest to fix it by snapping the ending of kiai time at 01:50:435 Fixed



[Beginner]
• Difficulty of the map should be: HP=6, OD=7. It is recommended to fix. Its on AiMod. Fixed


00:12:808 (12808|0,12808|3) - move to 2 and 3 since the next 2 notes has a different pitch/level. Fixed
00:15:858 (15858|1) - remove since its not strong as 00:15:519 (15519|2,15519|1) to be 2-noted. Its just a beat sound. Fixed
00:18:570 (18570|0,18570|3) - remove. This part is like the 1st 2 notes. Fixed
00:33:147 (33147|2) - Reduce the Long note to 00:33:825. Then add long note to 4 at 00:33:825 until 00:34:502 Fixed
00:34:502 (34502|1) - change this long note into short note for starting beat. its inconsistent and not the same as 00:23:655 (23655|1) which have a strong synth sound. Fixed
00:45:350 (45350|2) - ^ Fixed
01:04:333 (64333|0) - reduce this to half until 01:05:011. Then add another long note at 4th column, 01:05:011 until 01:05:689 Fixed
01:21:282 (81282|3) - remove. Why is this 2-noted? its not consistent as this 01:21:960 (81960|0,81960|3) which have another sound. Fixed
01:28:740 - add note to 1 as starting beat. its actually a strong sound. Fixed
01:33:147 (93147|0) - remove and add note to 1 at 01:34:163 Fixed
01:35:519 - add note to 1 for the cymbals. Fixed
01:36:875 - add note to 3 Fixed
01:37:553 - add note to 2 Fixed
01:38:231 - add note to 3 Fixed
01:39:587 - add note to 4 Fixed
01:45:011 - add note to 4 Fixed
01:45:689 (105689|2) - remove. not strong enough to be 2-noted. Fixed
01:50:435 (110435|0,110435|3) - suggesting to extend this long notes until 01:53:825 Fixed

[Heavy]
Recommended to change into OD = 8, HP = 7 Fixed
I'll be just taking note on some parts of this difficulty.

00:13:147 to 00:20:943 - I recommend to continue the synth melody in this timeline. It just feels empty for an heavy difficulty. Added synth in between
00:25:858 (25858|3,26028|3,26197|3,26367|3,26536|3) - rearrange this kinds of stack up for more comfortable hand play. Apply to all similar note placements. Fixed
00:34:163 (34163|3,34248|3,34333|3,34418|3,34502|3) - these notes should be alternating or trills and not jackhammers (eg. 00:42:638 (42638|2,42723|1,42808|2,42892|1,42977|2,43062|1,43147|2,43231|1) ). Its like a snare roll. Recommend to rearrange. I like adding at least a long jackhammer to make the map more challenging in terms of speed for maps slower than 190-ish BPM :)
00:44:757 (44757|1,44926|1,45096|1) - remove. make the beat + percussion do the 2-noted notes. Fixed
00:49:248 (49248|3,49333|3) - move to 2. These 2 notes are acceptable to be jack but not to the 00:49:418 (49418|3) since its a different pitch. Fixed
00:52:553 (52553|3,52638|3) - move to 1 for alternating jacks and to be more comfortable. These jacks are acceptable. Fixed
00:59:587 - add note to 2. There's a beat sound to note here. Fixed
01:01:113 (61113|3,61197|3) - move to 1 for hand balance. Fixed
01:16:536 (76536|0,77214|1) - feels empty inside. Put some notes for the beat and other sounds. Fixed


[Overall]
I am amazed that you can also do mania charts. Keep it up and Goodluck! :) Thank you!
Akihiro
Hi, from modding queue :)

[Beginner 4K]

00:30:774 (30774|2) - i wouldn't hesitate moving this 1/2 earlier, even for beginners
00:32:130 (32130|1,32808|1) - consider moving these two notes, having them on the same column as the LN just before is not too pretty (and not relevant to pitch)
00:42:638 (42638|2,43994|1) - those 2 LN doesn't make much sense to me. maybe you could instead have a trickier part like this (just to give you an idea):00:47:384 (47384|1) - i would remove this note... and have it at 00:48:062 instead (so it doesn't become too dense)
01:21:960 (81960|0,81960|3) - i'd rather have a note 1/2 earlier. i understand this for the sound effect thingy but it feels late
01:26:028 (86028|2,86367|1,86706|2) - change the pattern, you have a similar one just before while the acutal music notes are different
01:35:350 - you can add a note here...
01:35:689 - ...and here...
01:35:858 (95858|3,95858|1) - ...remove these...
01:36:028 - and add one here! being a little closer to the music for your dense part makes sense imo
01:46:875 - you can add a note here too

as a general advice I'd suggest you going through your patterns and try to be more pitch relevant. even in beginner difficulty
anymay, I think it's good for beginners, not too boring, but not too hard :)

[Heavy 4K]

and... okay this diff has a lot of issues for me, I'll try to be helpful

you need to be consistent in your layering. it must be clear why you the players is asked to play two notes instead of one. generally that's because there are two instruments playing in the same time. but here, there are a lot of 2-notes chords that are unjustified.

the clean way to do this is add one layer after another.
focus on a part of the music (say, the melody for example) you want to map, put the notes for it, then go back and add the percussions for instance.
then if you're not happy with how some patterns turned out, re-arrange them.
that should give you a much better feeling when playing it.

this is my general advice for this diff.
I'll give you an example :
I'm not saying that's the "right" way to do it, but imo, it leads to a much more clean and enjoyable map. Think consistency. Think about how the notes in your map relate to the song.

also, just a few more things :

00:34:163 (34163|3,34248|3,34333|3,34418|3,34502|3) - generally jackhammers out of nowhere will frustrate the players. from drum rolls you can go for a one handed trill instead (3 4 3 4 or 1 2 1 2 etc..)

00:49:248 (49248|1,49333|1,49418|2) - minijacks like are much more acceptable though :)

00:51:113 (51113|3) through 00:52:130 (52130|3) - why ? there is no music on 1/4 notes here. it just doesn't make sense having staircases like this here

01:05:180 (65180|2) throught 01:05:689 (65689|3) - but a places like this, yes you can have 1/4 notes

so.. yeah, sorry to say that but this diff definitely needs to be reworked imo.
There are plenty of places where you don't use the potentential of the music : the middle part from 01:07:045 (67045|2) to 01:16:536 (76536|1) - where you have a crazy percussion going on , but you are sticking to the piano only... which is not a wrong thing, the wrong thing is adding superficial notes at other places. having to play "ghost notes" while the following part could have used more notes is really frustrating.

You're free to do want you want with your map, but I hope I've been able to explain a few things here :)

I hope this was helpful
Keep on going ! 8-)
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks so much for your mod~
Here's your kudosu!

Akihiro wrote:

Hi, from modding queue :)

[Beginner 4K]

00:30:774 (30774|2) - i wouldn't hesitate moving this 1/2 earlier, even for beginners done
00:32:130 (32130|1,32808|1) - consider moving these two notes, having them on the same column as the LN just before is not too pretty (and not relevant to pitch) done
00:42:638 (42638|2,43994|1) - those 2 LN doesn't make much sense to me. maybe you could instead have a trickier part like this (just to give you an idea): done
00:47:384 (47384|1) - i would remove this note... and have it at 00:48:062 instead (so it doesn't become too dense) removed the prev note instead to make the rhythm feel nice
01:21:960 (81960|0,81960|3) - i'd rather have a note 1/2 earlier. i understand this for the sound effect thingy but it feels late done
01:26:028 (86028|2,86367|1,86706|2) - change the pattern, you have a similar one just before while the acutal music notes are different done
01:35:350 - you can add a note here... that would be too fast for a beginner diff imho
01:35:689 - ...and here... that would be too fast for a beginner diff imho
01:35:858 (95858|3,95858|1) - ...remove these... done
01:36:028 - and add one here! being a little closer to the music for your dense part makes sense imo done
01:46:875 - you can add a note here too done

as a general advice I'd suggest you going through your patterns and try to be more pitch relevant. even in beginner difficulty
anymay, I think it's good for beginners, not too boring, but not too hard :)
Well, I don't give pitch relevancy as much priority as other mappers as long as the maps flows nicely when playing it ^^

[Heavy 4K]

and... okay this diff has a lot of issues for me, I'll try to be helpful

you need to be consistent in your layering. it must be clear why you the players is asked to play two notes instead of one. generally that's because there are two instruments playing in the same time. but here, there are a lot of 2-notes chords that are unjustified.
2-note chords are there just to make patterns more challening and fun to play. As long as they feel good, I don't see anything wrong with it.

the clean way to do this is add one layer after another.
focus on a part of the music (say, the melody for example) you want to map, put the notes for it, then go back and add the percussions for instance.
then if you're not happy with how some patterns turned out, re-arrange them.
that should give you a much better feeling when playing it.

this is my general advice for this diff.
I'll give you an example : I guess we just have two completely different ways to manage patterns :D I've seen lots of maps mapped the way you're suggesting but I didn't enjoy playing that kind of patterns much ^^'

I'm not saying that's the "right" way to do it, but imo, it leads to a much more clean and enjoyable map. Think consistency. Think about how the notes in your map relate to the song.

also, just a few more things :

00:34:163 (34163|3,34248|3,34333|3,34418|3,34502|3) - generally jackhammers out of nowhere will frustrate the players. from drum rolls you can go for a one handed trill instead (3 4 3 4 or 1 2 1 2 etc..) I kinda wanna keep this long jack as a challenge ^^' I know not everyone likes em

00:49:248 (49248|1,49333|1,49418|2) - minijacks like are much more acceptable though :)

00:51:113 (51113|3) through 00:52:130 (52130|3) - why ? there is no music on 1/4 notes here. it just doesn't make sense having staircases like this here

01:05:180 (65180|2) throught 01:05:689 (65689|3) - but a places like this, yes you can have 1/4 notes

so.. yeah, sorry to say that but this diff definitely needs to be reworked imo.
There are plenty of places where you don't use the potentential of the music : the middle part from 01:07:045 (67045|2) to 01:16:536 (76536|1) - where you have a crazy percussion going on , but you are sticking to the piano only... which is not a wrong thing, the wrong thing is adding superficial notes at other places. having to play "ghost notes" while the following part could have used more notes is really frustrating.
Hmm well basically the percussion rhythm was not as fun, rhythm-wise, as the piano to play so I decided to stick to the piano

You're free to do want you want with your map, but I hope I've been able to explain a few things here :)
Thanks for your mod and for sharing your views on mania mapping! I didn't agree with some stuff but that's probabilly cause my mapping style is a lot different from what you see in o!m / beatmania because I'm a stepmania player.

I hope this was helpful
Keep on going ! 8-)
10crystalmask01
Hey, mod from queue 8-)
[General]
*BG is suppose to be 1024x768, not 1024x640
[Easy]
00:15:858 (3) - NC for new rhythm cycle, and so that combos aren't too long in this diff.
00:18:909 (5) - ^ and consider moving it to 00:15:519, because that finish on the head sounds really late. The cymbal crash in the music is heard at 00:15:519
00:23:655 (3) - ^
00:34:841 (5) - ^
00:39:926 (1) - Add finish on the head to match the cymbal crash heard in the music.
01:17:892 (2) - NC for the slider speed change.
00:34:502 (1) - Add finish.

[Normal]
00:30:265 (4,5,6,7) - Sounds really off, because they suddenly follow another rhythm in the music and not the beat.
00:31:791 (1,2,3) - Add finish on their heads, again for the cymbal crashes heard int the music.
01:28:740 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These notes are all sightly too close together. Please fix the DS here.
01:47:723 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Re positioned these notes a bit, just so that 01:49:418 (6) - will fit perfect in the circle.
328,192,107723,5,0,0:0:0:0:
284,124,108062,1,8,0:0:0:0:
204,136,108401,1,0,0:0:0:0:
180,212,108740,1,8,0:0:0:0:
236,272,109079,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,268,109418,2,4,B|360:308,4,50
256,192,110604,12,0,111791,0:0:0:0:

[Hard]
00:45:350 - Add a note here with a finish for a better ending to this playtime.
01:19:587 - Missing a note here.
01:49:587 (10) - NC

[Insane]
Meh. You've abused the use of hit circles quite a lot in this diff, but since it's from beatmania IIDX I don't really know what to say.

Sorry, I'm not much of an expert when it comes to modding these type of songs :| Good luck.
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks for your mod! :)

10crystalmask01 wrote:

Hey, mod from queue 8-)
[General]
*BG is suppose to be 1024x768, not 1024x640 Oh I thought it had to be widescreen. Fix'd
[Easy]
00:15:858 (3) - NC for new rhythm cycle, and so that combos aren't too long in this diff. Done
00:18:909 (5) - ^ and consider moving it to 00:15:519, because that finish on the head sounds really late. The cymbal crash in the music is heard at 00:15:519 Added new combo. The finish on the tail of the previous slider fits the cymbal crash perfectly, so I don't think I need to move this slider.
00:23:655 (3) - ^ Done
00:34:841 (5) - ^ Done
00:39:926 (1) - Add finish on the head to match the cymbal crash heard in the music. Done
01:17:892 (2) - NC for the slider speed change. Done
00:34:502 (1) - Add finish. Done

[Normal]
00:30:265 (4,5,6,7) - Sounds really off, because they suddenly follow another rhythm in the music and not the beat. Remapped and added more slider as I felt like there were too many hitcircles in the intro
00:31:791 (1,2,3) - Add finish on their heads, again for the cymbal crashes heard int the music. Done
01:28:740 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - These notes are all sightly too close together. Please fix the DS here. Done
01:47:723 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Re positioned these notes a bit, just so that 01:49:418 (6) - will fit perfect in the circle. Done
328,192,107723,5,0,0:0:0:0:
284,124,108062,1,8,0:0:0:0:
204,136,108401,1,0,0:0:0:0:
180,212,108740,1,8,0:0:0:0:
236,272,109079,1,0,0:0:0:0:
316,268,109418,2,4,B|360:308,4,50
256,192,110604,12,0,111791,0:0:0:0:

[Hard]
00:45:350 - Add a note here with a finish for a better ending to this playtime. Done
01:19:587 - Missing a note here. Done
01:49:587 (10) - NCDone

[Insane]
Meh. You've abused the use of hit circles quite a lot in this diff, but since it's from beatmania IIDX I don't really know what to say.

I'll think about replacing some hitcircles with sliders, especially in hard difficulty.

Sorry, I'm not much of an expert when it comes to modding these type of songs :| Good luck.
Neta
Hello from my modding Queue

[Easy]
  1. 00:41:960 (3) - clap
  2. 01:02:977 (2,3,4,5) - umm this is not good pattern for easy diff I recommend or
  3. 01:30:096 (2,3) - swap clap 3 with 2 slider's end
  4. 01:34:163 (1) - clap to start of slider
  5. 01:40:265 (1) - remove this note because beginners can confused note comes out when they are spinning and there will be no problem with Beat if you change this

[Normal]
  1. 01:44:333 (6,1) - swap NC
  2. 01:45:858 (5) - NC if you accept 01:44:333 (6,1)
  3. 00:57:214 (3) - NC distance goes different
  4. 01:17:892 to 01:25:350 - why is this all claps. I think you should change some hit sounds
  5. 01:50:435 (1) - move spinner to 01:50:435 will be better

[Hard]
  1. 00:20:943 (1,2,3,4) - this is all overlapped fix not to overlap plz
  2. 00:25:011 (1) - NC
  3. 00:27:723 (1) - NC
  4. 00:31:791 (1,2,3,4) - same reason as first one
  5. 00:34:163 (11,1) - overlapped
  6. 00:45:350 (8) - NC?
  7. 01:22:130 (1,2) - overlapped
  8. 01:36:876 (1,2,3,4) - same reason as first one

[Insane]
  1. 00:41:791 (6) - NC
  2. 00:54:841 (1) - make this reverse until 00:55:858
  3. 01:35:519 (6) - NC
  4. 01:49:079 (3,4,5,6) - i think connecting this is better pattern

GOOD LUCK~
Topic Starter
Franc[e]sco
Thanks a lot!

Neta wrote:

Hello from my modding Queue

[Easy]
  1. 00:41:960 (3) - clap The next measure starts 1/4 aftrer this note. A clap does not fit here
  2. 01:02:977 (2,3,4,5) - umm this is not good pattern for easy diff I recommend or Done
  3. 01:30:096 (2,3) - swap clap 3 with 2 slider's end But the song's measure starts at the 3, so the clap fits perfectly there.
  4. 01:34:163 (1) - clap to start of slider ^
  5. 01:40:265 (1) - remove this note because beginners can confused note comes out when they are spinning and there will be no problem with Beat if you change this Done

[Normal]
  1. 01:44:333 (6,1) - swap NC Done
  2. 01:45:858 (5) - NC if you accept 01:44:333 (6,1) Done
  3. 00:57:214 (3) - NC distance goes different Done
  4. 01:17:892 to 01:25:350 - why is this all claps. I think you should change some hit sounds I think it fits this breakdown.
  5. 01:50:435 (1) - move spinner to 01:50:435 will be better Done

[Hard]
  1. 00:20:943 (1,2,3,4) - this is all overlapped fix not to overlap plz Done. changed the pattern to a better one
  2. 00:25:011 (1) - NC Done
  3. 00:27:723 (1) - NC Done
  4. 00:31:791 (1,2,3,4) - same reason as first one Done, changed the pattern to a better one
  5. 00:34:163 (11,1) - overlapped Done
  6. 00:45:350 (8) - NC? Done
  7. 01:22:130 (1,2) - overlapped Done
  8. 01:36:876 (1,2,3,4) - same reason as first one Done

[Insane]
  1. 00:41:791 (6) - NC Done
  2. 00:54:841 (1) - make this reverse until 00:55:858 Done
  3. 01:35:519 (6) - NC Done
  4. 01:49:079 (3,4,5,6) - i think connecting this is better pattern It's more fun this way.

GOOD LUCK~
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