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TAKA respect for J.S.B - Ubertreffen

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Topic Starter
Cygnus
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 15 July 2012 at 20:48:47

Artist: TAKA respect for J.S.B
Title: Ubertreffen
Source: pop'n music 14 FEVER!
Tags: Johann Sebastian Bach Beatmania IIDX wmfchris Emdyion dj troopers
BPM: 174
Filesize: 2666kb
Play Time: 01:32
Difficulties Available:
  1. Bronze (4.42 stars, 152 notes)
  2. Chrome (5 stars, 366 notes)
  3. Emdyion's Silver (4.98 stars, 270 notes)
  4. Gold (5 stars, 533 notes)
  5. Rust (2.51 stars, 95 notes)
  6. Wmf's Taiko (4.89 stars, 868 notes)
Download: TAKA respect for J.S.B - Ubertreffen
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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You will not regret if you tried the link above.

Please do not call this a map if you will not remember Platinum Diff.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Did a few tweeks. Now we're ready for mods. :) :) :) :) :) GO GO GO!
-[ ix Ishida xi ]-
nice map :)
[CSGA]Ar3sgice

ISHIDAMITSUNARI wrote:

nice map :) 石田快来个21*taiko秒杀这图233
my mod:

Rust

  1. fine, I think sliders are a little fast 0.0 not a big problem
Bronze

  1. 00:04:439 (2) - sounds not so good
  2. 00:55:128 (4) - http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot434-0.jpg ?
Silver

  1. generally: this is a Hard diff, so it shouldn't have so many streams/triplets, you should reduce some of them as 1/4-repeat sliders or whatever.
  2. for example: 00:04:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - it's too hard for a hard diff.
  3. 00:04:266 (4) - move here: http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot432.jpg
  4. 00:37:887 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 2x repeat arrow sliders stream?
  5. 00:48:059 (2) - http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot433.jpg here? hard to follow this jump for me
  6. 01:06:249 (7,8) - change to a slider here? it's not so readable as 3/4, easy to mistake it for a jump 1/2.
  7. 01:07:628 (7,8) - ^ this is also too hard imo.
Gold

  1. 00:22:714 (1) - I think it's better to jump here, (2)'s position is pretty good.
  2. Maybe make 00:22:714 (1,2,3,4,5) a pentagon/star? http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot435.jpg
  3. 00:47:542 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - why large spacing in jumps T_T
  4. 01:14:697 (6) - remove this note? doesn't feel good
  5. this stream at the end..
Platinum

  1. 00:04:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - why close spacing? his doesn't fit the entire map
  2. 00:11:594 (16,1) - remove claps here
  3. 00:22:714 (1,2) - 1.5x, 1.5x, 1.75x, 1.75x sv? fits music more, imo.
  4. 00:25:473 (1,2) - ^
  5. 00:28:318 (2,3,4,5) - spacing?
  6. 00:48:490 (12) - move up 1 grid?
  7. 00:49:869 (12) - down ^
  8. 01:27:111 (12) - left / up 1 grid?
  9. 01:28:749 (15,16,1) - the shape here looks not so good
nice stream, what a pity cookiezi is afk .__. star, good luck on ranking this!~
Topic Starter
Cygnus

[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote:

ISHIDAMITSUNARI wrote:

nice map :) 石田快来个21*taiko秒杀这图233
my mod:

Rust

  1. fine, I think sliders are a little fast 0.0 not a big problem
indeed XD

Bronze

  1. 00:04:439 (2) - sounds not so good ok
  2. 00:55:128 (4) - http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot434-0.jpg ?
what's with this? :O

Silver

  1. generally: this is a Hard diff, so it shouldn't have so many streams/triplets, you should reduce some of them as 1/4-repeat sliders or whatever.
  2. for example: 00:04:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - it's too hard for a hard diff. ok
  3. 00:04:266 (4) - move here: http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot432.jpg no
  4. 00:37:887 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - 2x repeat arrow sliders stream? no
  5. 00:48:059 (2) - http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot433.jpg here? hard to follow this jump for me no
  6. 01:06:249 (7,8) - change to a slider here? it's not so readable as 3/4, easy to mistake it for a jump 1/2. ok
  7. 01:07:628 (7,8) - ^ this is also too hard imo. ok


Gold

  1. 00:22:714 (1) - I think it's better to jump here, (2)'s position is pretty good. no
  2. Maybe make 00:22:714 (1,2,3,4,5) a pentagon/star? http://up.ppy.sh/files/screenshot435.jpg no
  3. 00:47:542 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - why large spacing in jumps T_Tno
  4. 01:14:697 (6) - remove this note? doesn't feel goodno
  5. this stream at the end..yes :D
Platinum

  1. 00:04:783 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15) - why close spacing? his doesn't fit the entire map no
  2. 00:11:594 (16,1) - remove claps here replaced with whistle
  3. 00:22:714 (1,2) - 1.5x, 1.5x, 1.75x, 1.75x sv? fits music more, imo. no
  4. 00:25:473 (1,2) - ^no
  5. 00:28:318 (2,3,4,5) - spacing?okay
  6. 00:48:490 (12) - move up 1 grid?okay
  7. 00:49:869 (12) - down ^okay
  8. 01:27:111 (12) - left / up 1 grid?okay
  9. 01:28:749 (15,16,1) - the shape here looks not so goodokay, fixed a little
nice stream, what a pity cookiezi is afk ;_; .__. star, good luck on ranking this!~ thanks
Rue
:O

Silver could really use a slightly higher AR. Oh right, catch that!

Edit: I also find the hitsounds pretty loud D:
Topic Starter
Cygnus
If I do that, it will now be too hard for a hard diff. I'll lower the hit sounds to 60, hope its okay :O Anyway, thanks for the stars XD
Mirage
Epic song is epic
Kanye West
star~~~~
Ulysses
Hi !

Black = They're only suggestions.
Blue = You have better to change them.
Red = They're unrankable issue.You should change them.

[General]

I feel a bit weird about kiai time.Only has more than one kiai time but other don't.[/color]

The end time in is weird too,it's spinner end is unsnapped.

And the sound end at 01:36:163 .Spinners end at 01:36:163 in all diff ?[/color]




[Platinum]

00:33:404 (10) - Spacing larger,since your sliders spacing isn't small like that.But it's still readable.

00:36:852 (5) - A clap is missed here?Or it's intentional?

01:03:921 (15) - It's spacing is totally different,fix it.

01:05:301 (15) - ^

I suggest using identically spacing in these two streams.

01:09:611 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - AHO's new world o.0 (Nothing wrong here)

01:32:370 (1) - Del NC?




[Gold]

00:18:232 (4) - A clap is missed here?Or it's intentional?

00:22:714 (1) - Stack it better at the end of 00:22:025 (3)~New coordinate:x238,y194(NAZI)

00:28:577 (2) - I suggest put it on spacing to show it 's a 1/4 beat.like that:

00:29:956 (2) - ^

00:31:335 (2) - ^

01:10:646 (1) - Stack it ,the spacing is misleading.

01:32:370 (1) - Try del NC?

01:32:542 (1) - Slience it as you did in Extra.

[Silver]

Even though you rejected the AR+1 suggest,I still think I have to suggest you once again.
Reason:AR7 doesn't mean it's easier to play,the AR is toooo slow for this diff.
For example,Seeing you use AR2 in your easy diff,you can't set AR0 in this easy diff then tell someone"it's a easy!" AR rating is depended in how the mapset,BPM,melody.Therefore,try AR8,it's easier to play with,to mod with,to enjoy with.


00:01:335 (3) - Don't put huge 1/1 spacing in hard orz.

00:37:025 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pentagon isn't congruent.

00:55:990 (1) - Slience this spinner as you did in [/color]

01:32:370 (1) - Del NC?

01:32:542 (1) - Slience it as you did in Extra.




[Bronze]

00:09:956 (2) - Add whistle?

00:17:887 (2) - Add clap at the end?

00:55:990 (1) - Slience this spinner as you did in [/color]

01:02:714 (3) - Add NC?

01:32:370 (1) - Del NC?

01:32:542 (1) - Slience it as you did in Extra.

This diff needs more works.Seems a bit confuse for a Normal.



[Rust]

01:22:370 (2) - NC?

01:32:542 (1) -

01:32:370 (1) - Del NC?

01:32:542 (1) - Slience it as you did in Extra.






Get more works in your easy,normal diffs
those
From .:Let those mod those maps:.

[General]
Delete .osb files and full submit if you aren't using a storyboard or the same storyboard across all difficulties.
If you would like, you can delete all your bookmarks to decrease the size of your .osz file by a little since you won't be needing them by the time this gets put on the server.
If it was up to me, Kiai time would be 01:10:990 to 01:22:025, with a flash at 00:22:714, 00:25:473, and 00:39:266
Also, I feel all notes before 00:00:646 can be deleted.

[Platinum]
00:22:714 (1) - A 75% increase in slider velocity, are you kidding?
00:36:852 (5) - You forgot a Clap here.
00:42:283 (4) - I'd remove this, and maybe (5) as well. You'll have to reposition (5) or (6) onwards though.
01:05:301 (15) - Hits HP Bar.
01:15:473 (1) - Too high; too much of it is hidden. Apply this to this entire sequence as well.
01:17:025 (1) - 01:17:714 (1) - 01:18:404 (1) - 01:19:094 (1) - 01:19:783 (1) - 01:20:473 (1) - 01:21:163 (1) - It's really not good that these appear to be random. I know it's meant to be difficult, but it doesn't make any sense at all. You've also got this happening twice in Gold. I really suggest a remap.
01:24:611 (3) - This final stream can definitely be dressed up a bit better. For example, with how 01:27:370 (15,16,1) - is headed, (2,3,4,5,6) look like they don't know where they're going.
01:32:542 (1) - Should end at 01:36:163. Apply to all diffs: Rust, Bronze, and Silver are too short, and Gold is too long.

[Gold]
00:15:473 (5) - Missing Clap here, not sure if intentional.
00:18:232 (4) - And here.
00:55:990 (1) - This spinner should be consistent with Platinum, and all diffs. Either remove them all, or add Spinner to Platinum, unless you have some sort of justification.
01:05:990 (1) - Mentioned in Platinum.

[Silver]
00:02:025 (1) - Hits HP Bar.
00:16:508 - there should be a note here and not a note at 00:17:025 (6) - to match previous pattern.

[Bronze]
Try CS3. This is still considered a Normal diff, and seeing how much more difficult Silver is, you need to show the difficulty difference the best you can. This may or may not cause a problem to circles located like 00:39:439 (2) - .

[Rust]
00:24:094 (3) - Might look better if (2) fit more into the corner of that slider, like how you have with 00:26:163 (2,3) - .
00:47:542 (1) - I feel this should end at 00:48:577 and 00:49:611 (2) - should start at 00:48:921; that's how I read the symphonic background, anyway.

Good luck :3
L_P
Plat
00:22:284 (4) - touch hp bar
01:00:818 (1) - stack with note 2 would be more comfortable to me, and also, can apply a bigger spacing between note 2 and next combo1

01:03:921 (15) - touch hp
01:05:301 (15) - touch hp

Gold
00:48:577 (1,2,3) - noticed you use rhythm pattern, could try replacing some of those three notes into repeating sliders
01:10:646 (1) - why 0.5 slider speed.. i expect faster slider though imo
01:12:714 (2,3,4) - these 3 can make some pattern?
01:32:542 (1) - do it like platinum or make platinum like this...
(also for the other diffs... make them the same?)

silver
seriously.. fix the shape 00:37:025 (2,3,4,5,6) -
01:30:473 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - ^

bronze
although not a problem but personally think slider velocity 1.2 or 1.1 can make prettier sliders
00:17:887 (2) - last head clap

star and run
whymeman
Okay, I don't know what the hell is going on, but it needs to stop. This is a forum to MOD MAPS, not some dramatic talk show about beating the crap out of each other. I do not care who started it at this point. Either start making actual mod posts, or stop posting here. Any posts shown to be negatively nonconstructive after this warning post will have action taken.

@ Philippines: Stop disrespecting people and crap, seriously.

@ Everyone else: Enough of the fighting now. If there's more problems from this point, just don't bother modding the map. But, keep the pointless drama out.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
I'm glad everything's cleaned up. A respect for a respect. Fine. Thanks whymeman!

Now to go with this map..
Stefan
What an Ubertreffen..
Leorda
Hi there

[Rust]
* AR +1?

00:05:473 (2) - I feel this slider is doesn't symetric (Nazi)
01:16:508 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - You overusing a new combo for this. This should avoided


[Bronze]
00:26:163 (2) - This object is touch the HP Bar (just a warning)


[Silver]
00:02:025 (1) - This object is touch the HP Bar (just a warning)
01:11:163 (2,3) - Overlapped by hitbursts from spinner. It might be hidden for players some cases


[Gold]
00:39:266 (2,3,4,5,6) - I think stream after 0,5x slider is kinda bad gameplay, I guess.....

Orz
wmfchris
Emdyion
Decided to make another Silver.

Of course, like last time, this is only part of what I have, I'll finish the map later~ (if you want if, of course)

Download: TAKA respect for J.S.B - Ubertreffen (Philippines) [Emdyion's Silver].osu
Topic Starter
Cygnus

Emdyion wrote:

Decided to make another Silver.

Of course, like last time, this is only part of what I have, I'll finish the map later~ (if you want if, of course)
Finish it first before I add it to the song so I can get mods. Nice map :D




@wmfchris. Nothing. D: btw, thanks XD
Emdyion
Finished.

Self-Opinions:

01:16:508 to 01:22:025: Spam Kiai Time every 2nd and 4th beats?
-01:19:266 -> : might need to remap

01:28:921 -> : might need to remap this as well

Enjoy!

Download: TAKA respect for J.S.B - Ubertreffen (Philippines) [Emdyion's Silver].osu
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Okay, added kiai time. No more remap, I like how you mapped that part anyway. XD Thanks! Whoa, 7 Diffs XD
Aurele
This mod is only some Clap suggestions. .3.
Feel free to ignore it.
It should be the same for every diffs.

00:12:887 (5) - Clap
00:15:645 (6) - ^
00:18:404 (5) - ^
00:21:163 (6) - ^
00:26:680 (5) - ^
00:29:439 (5) - ^
00:32:197 (5) - ^
00:34:956 (5) - ^
00:37:715 (10) - ^
00:41:852 (5) - Delete Clap
00:44:611 (5) - ^
00:48:749 (3) - Clap
00:51:508 (3) - ^
00:54:266 (3) - ^
01:02:542 (5) - ^
01:05:301 (5) - ^
01:08:059 (7) - ^
01:12:197 (8) - ^
Emdyion
Re-edit: Changed 2x sliders to 1.5x.

I might mod this later~

EDIT: All difficulties are fine, although Bronze seems a bit harder than Normal. Not complaining though.

I'm just going to do mostly hitsound checks.

SPOILER
00:46:163 : Finish (All your difficulties)

[Rust]

00:55:990 : Do you want this spinner to be silent?

01:22:370 (1) : Remove finish

[Bronze]

00:22:714 (1,2,3) : Different than 00:25:473 (1,2,3). <---- Perhaps make this one the same as 00:22:714?

01:16:508 - 01:22:025 : No clap+finish at 2nd and 4th beats? Like the other difficulties?

[Silver]

00:22:714 (1,2,1,2) : Seems a bit too spaced out (first 1.34x, then 1.76x). Don't really know how you want to fix that. Perhaps start with 1.00x? Your choice.

00:25:473 (1,2,1,2) : ^

01:05:473 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) : <Comment> WHOA WHERE DID THE 5-STREAMS COME FROM
Also, it seems like there's a weird pattern here. Not complaining to change it and all, but this difficulty is supposed to be Hard.

01:06:852 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) : ^ btw, you don't have to change these, just saying

01:30:301 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1) : Any hitsounds here? No?

The five-streams with the pattern seems a bit unusual in this difficulty.

[Gold]

00:22:714 (1,2,3,4,5) : Make the hitsounds like 00:25:473

01:00:990 (1) : I think it's better without the clap.

[Platinum]

00:04:783 (1) : Finish?

00:26:163 (1) : This section is still 30% volume.

00:28:232 (1) : Finish

00:33:749 (1) : ^

Download: TAKA respect for J.S.B - Ubertreffen (Philippines) [Emdyion's Silver].osu
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Okay, done. Thanks Emdyion!
Kurokami
Here is my suggestions.

Phil

  1. ar-1
  2. 01:29:956 (3) - x:108, y:280
  3. 01:32:542 (1) - spinner ends at 01:36:163

Bronze

  1. hp4, ar5, od4
  2. 01:32:542 (1) - same as before

Emdyion's Silver

  1. difficulty settings are unbalanced, try ar7, od6
  2. 00:40:128 (4) - x:44, y:204
  3. 00:55:818 (1) - this note is not makes sense
  4. 01:11:680 (3) - x:176, y:208
  5. 01:12:887 (3) - x:336, y:208

Silver

  1. difficulty unbalanced
  2. the last spinner's end

Gold

  1. ar8
  2. 00:21:163 (6) - x:336, y:308
  3. 00:33:059 (1) - x:256, y:184 this way this slider is stacked with the previous note
  4. 01:21:852 (7) - x:124, y:152
  5. last spinner

Platinum

  1. the last spinner

Wmf's Taiko

  1. the last spinner
Try to finish the spinners at the same time on all difficulty. This is all what I found. If you did this because you are bored, you did a good work. xd
Emdyion

Kurokami wrote:

Here is my suggestions.

Emdyion's Silver

  1. difficulty settings are unbalanced, try ar7, od6 Fixed.
  2. 00:40:128 (4) - x:44, y:204 Done.
  3. 00:55:818 (1) - this note is not makes sense Extended previous spinner.
  4. 01:11:680 (3) - x:176, y:208 Done.
  5. 01:12:887 (3) - x:336, y:208 Done.

Try to finish the spinners at the same time on all difficulty. This is all what I found. If you did this because you are bored, you did a good work. xd
Download: TAKA respect for J.S.B - Ubertreffen (Philippines) [Emdyion's Silver].osu
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Fixed all except those two note positions at Gold. Thanks Kurokami! (:
BeatofIke
7 difficuties? That's a lot to mod. :o
Topic Starter
Cygnus
You can mod anything, I understand it's tiring. x.x
BeatofIke
Nah. It's just time-consuming. :| Anyway as requested via IRC, I will challenge myself and mod this map.

PS: I still need to clear my modding queue slots when I'm at it.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Wow, thanks Ike! (: Will do a mod for your two maps now! :D
Snow Note
Hi There~
[General]
Add "pop'n music 14 FEVER!" to tags

[Bronze]
01:02:714 (3) - Add New Combo?
01:32:542 (1) - Use 10% volume for this spinner like other diff.

That's all~
Your map is awesome! I can't find any more problem.
Favourited and Good luck for Ranked!~ :)
Topic Starter
Cygnus
I had a little convo with Shiirn about the metadata, he said I shouldn't include all those (pop'nmusic,ddr,o2jam) :O


btw, thanks XD
SkyDevil
Ah sorry for delay, was reaaallyy busy with school work ><

First of all, wow this song got a german name :O (Ubertreffen = Surpass if im right)

Rust
00:22:714 - Whats up with that short kiai time? Why don't you make it a long kiai time like at 01:05:473 - (same goes with all diffs)

Bronze
00:12:714 - Somehow i think this circle should go 1 grid right 1 grid up
00:15:301 - I think this should be closer at the next slider because it was a little bit unreadable
00:47:025 - ^
01:10:301 - no new combo

./small notice

WAIT AM I LOOKING GOOD O3O DOES THIS HAVE 7 DIFFS? :O So this is for aproved :3

Emdyion's Silver
01:03:921 - 3 grids down 1 grid lefT?
01:28:232 - Put it farther away or something >< This was unreadable T_T
btw nice hitsounding at the beginning :O

Silver
00:46:163 - Circle shud be 2 grids right o3o
01:06:249 - Increase DS :/
01:07:628 - ^
01:32:370 - New combo? ;_;

Gold
01:14:956 - Maybe new combo here instead of 01:15:128 -

Platinum
Normally i only do 6 diffs at a mod but I'll do 7 then~
I tried modding this but i feel from my chair due to epicness T_T
00:22:714 - WUTWUTWUT.
00:25:473 - ^ ...
nvm. XD

+1 star~
Topic Starter
Cygnus
Max Rankable is 8 Diffs so, no this ain't going for approval. XD

EDIT: I doubt Emdyion won't change a thing so I already submitted. lol XD

EDIT2: Thanks for the star! :D ~
Arnold0
My 1st try to mod a map so ... I find no things o_O

[general]
There is already a beatmap with the same song, this will not be a problem ?

[silver]
00:35:732 Move to 00:35:818 ? And maybe unstack ?

Sorry this is surly useless but huh è:
Emdyion

SkyDevil wrote:

Emdyion's Silver
01:03:921 - 3 grids down 1 grid lefT? Why?
01:28:232 - Put it farther away or something >< This was unreadable T_T How was it not? It wasn't blocked by anything..
btw nice hitsounding at the beginning :O Thank you.
Note to SkyDevil: For your future mods, make sure you place the combonumber for the selected time, otherwise I have no idea what you're talking about XD

Philippines wrote:

EDIT: I doubt Emdyion won't change a thing so I already submitted. lol XD
Yeah. That.
Topic Starter
Cygnus
wow, very helpful mod Emdyion! :O
kanpakyin
As per your request:

[General]
  1. Sorry that I can't get all difficulties after downloading this beatmap.You should do a full submission to fix this.
[Wmf's Taiko]
  1. 00:11:508 (91,92,93,94) - I would remove this 1/6 and then change it to 1/4 instead.It's quite hard to read with 1/4.
  2. 00:34:439 (300) - A kat here would be nice.
  3. 00:38:232 (329,330,331,332) - It fits the music but this is quite hard to read.I think it ruins the playflow
  4. 01:18:232 (730) - Big kat here.
ok.Not that much to talk.
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