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Poll 12: How should we deal with cheaters?

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A cheater is found (100% certain). What do we do with them?

Permanent ban (no exceptions)
130
41.67%
Give a second chance (new account)
39
12.50%
Score reset, disable submission, but leave account access
143
45.83%
Total votes: 312
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Ephemeral
Inland Empire
3,936 posts
Joined April 2009
Ephemeral
that's surprisingly astute from you, SilentKiller.

pretty much every program with any tangible from of "hack detection" will at the very least, check what processes are running on your machine to a list of "suspicious" ones determined by the distributors of the software. this is not new, and such information is probably never even seen by human eyes to begin with.
palion
172 posts
Joined October 2011
palion
the process data should at least be encrypted somewhat =\
Jaay-
75 posts
Joined January 2012
Jaay-

YodaSnipe wrote:

icwudt Jaay
:D
Glazbom
274 posts
Joined December 2010
Glazbom
312 votes
animez15
122 posts
Joined April 2012
animez15
CHEATERS SHOULD BE BANNED!!!by that..it really shows as an example for those people who really doing it!!!
they should be contented..IMPROVEMENT is the best way! :) :) :)
EmeliaK
97 posts
Joined May 2011
EmeliaK
Permahammer, most definitely. If someone cheats, what's to say they won't cheat again? It's like a leopard on a vinyl recorder.

Except without the leopard.

Or the vinyl recorder.

*ahem*
halo398
halo398

Ijah wrote:

SilentKiller wrote:

Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
Fact: downloading otherwise private info (such as process lists and window/application data like osu! does without any end user consent is very much illegal, here in the UK at least.
well how botu friendok impersonating my account doing my account from halo398 into halo 398 eh?
Pandemoniusz
360 posts
Joined February 2010
Pandemoniusz
I think cheaters should be nailed to the cross.
RaneFire
1,181 posts
Joined May 2011
RaneFire
The main problem with leaving cheaters around, as seen in another game I play, is that they spread their cheats with their friends once they get caught. It's best to permaban.

Not like the war can be won against multi's tho, but atleast their friends list will be inaccessible.

And they're lazy to make multi's just to spread a cheat, which is why they cheat in the first place.
For example once they get their scores reset, they just float around doing stuff and even cheating like before if they know they're given a second chance by the 'system' of 'not-banning.' They talk to people, and before long, this guy is offering 'you' cheats.

It's happened to me in 2 other games already where I had considerable skill, cheaters got caught, and they were my friends, but they stuck around and soon offered me the cheats. Naturally due to my personality of striving to improve my coordination skills, I refused.
halo398
halo398

Pandemoniusz wrote:

I think cheaters should be nailed to the cross.
isnt that a bit offensive to other religions?
ReVeNg3r
660 posts
Joined August 2010
ReVeNg3r

Pandemoniusz wrote:

I think cheaters should be nailed to the swastika.
DevianteBrent
12 posts
Joined June 2011
DevianteBrent
Why can't people just play FAIRLY?!
Carlos
93 posts
Joined March 2012
Carlos
what is a cheater?, I say because I dont wanna accidentally do something that I regret later. XD
Starrodkirby86
osu! Alumni
3,723 posts
Here since the beginning
Starrodkirby86

Rock Forever wrote:

what is a cheater?, I say because I dont wanna accidentally do something that I regret later. XD
You'll probably be safe from being considered a cheater or anything of the like then. :P

However, cheating and the like usually comes from using an external program to give an unfair advantage to the player and/or editing data files on osu!. If one change the way the program behaves that only they will unfairly benefit, then that's cheating.

EDIT: Also, take a good read of this.
Hawkii
86 posts
Joined February 2011
Hawkii
Heyyaa ~

Me and CaCtus112 were thinking of an own let's call it Anti-Cheating/Hacking-Team in/at osu! just like the Beatmapping community got BAT and MAT, the like gaming/rank community should have an Anti Cheat Team, maybe o:

Still, it would be hard to ban all the Hackers and Multi-Accounts out there, but having an own team of people who search for those hackers/cheaters, reporting them and finally ban them, would possibly make the whole cheating-situation a bit better. Maybe x:

I dun know if that is a good idea or not ..
BrokenArrow
2,236 posts
Joined June 2010
BrokenArrow
I think BAT's already have the permission to ban people, or am I wrong?
If I'm wrong I support you idea, although peppy and other staff will say "just report their scores and we'll do it"..
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,393 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan

Hawkii wrote:

Still, it would be hard to ban all the Hackers and Multi-Accounts out there
They are not so many cheaters out. If it's clearly to see that they cheat, they get banned as soon as possible.
If there's no obviously evidence to see, it will be harder to give a reason to ban, yes.
But seriously, every 40.000th player cheats. So a Team isn't neccessary since the Mods here can ban/reset scores.
Cristian
1,945 posts
Joined November 2009
Cristian
Nice to heard.
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Sorun
234 posts
Joined October 2010
Sorun
LOL cheating on osu!

I think a second chance would be fine, well it's not like there not just going to make a new account on a new ip.
Kumanoko
29 posts
Joined November 2010
Kumanoko
I hope that peppy can fix the program code so that the cheaters can't exploit.
peppy がんばって!
FurukawaPan
649 posts
Joined August 2008
FurukawaPan
As someone who's never been banned I have no clue to what extent a banned account is denied access to the game, but I really wouldn't bother with second chances on the cheating thing. The third option (Ban them from score submissions forever, but leave access to games, forums etc open) is what I think is fair.

You can also have BanchoBot warn players about their cheatery status whenever they login to a multiplayer game. It'll trail them forever, kinda like a criminal record, heh heh. 8-)
loldcraft
106 posts
Joined June 2012
loldcraft
First offenders should just have their score wiped.
Third offenders need to have cheater labeled clearly on their profile page, from then on they are free to cheat for all they care. And make sure when they participate in multiplayer games, their rank is counted separately.
Shohei Ohtani
Shohei Ohtani
TicClick
Global Moderator
4,416 posts
Joined February 2011
TicClick

loldcraft wrote:

Third offenders need to have cheater labeled clearly on their profile page, from then on they are free to cheat for all they care.
Sounds interesting. They can be labeled the same way as banned users before, who had a sign under their user picture saying that they're banned.
EDIT: whoops, I'll check timestamps next time.
Xanaehla
695 posts
Joined January 2013
Xanaehla
Permanent ban
Futurola
56 posts
Joined February 2013
Futurola
How to deal with cheaters? Lure them to the gates of hell.
Mithos
636 posts
Joined February 2011
Mithos
Score reset, 2 week ban from score submission, but keep access to their accounts. If they continue after the 2 week ban, just permaban them.
[Luanny]
8,248 posts
Joined April 2011
[Luanny]
why are you ressurecting this dino-topic?
Futurola
56 posts
Joined February 2013
Futurola

[Luanny] wrote:

why are you ressurecting this dino-topic?
Because i'm bored.
[Maid] NekoRyo
720 posts
Joined December 2012
[Maid] NekoRyo

[Luanny] wrote:

why are you ressurecting this dino-topic?
Epic Words xD
Kunieda
818 posts
Joined March 2012
Kunieda
I HATE cheaters…
Some cheaters are using hack program or cheat engine, I hope Peppy will fix it cause too many bugs… so far, peppy will do this.
[Luanny]
8,248 posts
Joined April 2011
[Luanny]

Kunieda wrote:

I HATE cheaters…
Some cheaters are using hack program or cheat engine, I hope Peppy will fix it cause too many bugs… so far, peppy will do this.
wut
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
This is the dumbest vote I've ever seen, you just gave three options to vote for the same result.

Permanent ban = disable account, good luck stopping them from making a new one
Second chance = makes no difference to the first option, except that it's easier for you to track the new account
Score reset, disable submission, but leave account access = only reason to hack is to get scores, take that away and they'll make a new account.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,393 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan

BRBP wrote:

This is the dumbest vote I've ever seen, you just gave three options to vote for the same result.

Permanent ban = disable account, good luck stopping them from making a new one
Second chance = makes no difference to the first option, except that it's easier for you to track the new account
Score reset, disable submission, but leave account access = only reason to hack is to get scores, take that away and they'll make a new account.
Then you actually don't have to care, right?
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

Stefan wrote:

BRBP wrote:

This is the dumbest vote I've ever seen, you just gave three options to vote for the same result.

Permanent ban = disable account, good luck stopping them from making a new one
Second chance = makes no difference to the first option, except that it's easier for you to track the new account
Score reset, disable submission, but leave account access = only reason to hack is to get scores, take that away and they'll make a new account.
Then you actually don't have to care, right?
Right, any other questions?
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,393 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
nope.
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Tshemmp

BRBP wrote:

blahblah only reason to hack is to get scores, take that away and they'll make a new account.
Not always true, I knew one hacker who coded a bot himself just for the sake of coding and perfectioning. He didn't care about ranks but ofcourse got some top ranks while testing and got banned in the end.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

Tshemmp wrote:

BRBP wrote:

blahblah only reason to hack is to get scores, take that away and they'll make a new account.
Not always true, I knew one hacker who coded a bot himself just for the sake of coding and perfectioning. He didn't care about ranks but ofcourse got some top ranks while testing and got banned in the end.
Cool story, but why didn't he test it offline if ranks don't matter? And what did he do to continue making that perfect bot of his after he got banned? Care to guess?

You should also learn the difference between hacking and using a bot.
Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
Aaahhh, I didn't really want to start an argument about this. :/ Well.

BRBP wrote:

Cool story, but why didn't he test it offline if ranks don't matter? Why should he go offline for testing? "To not get banned?" Yeah, he didn't care about that either. And what did he do to continue making that perfect bot of his after he got banned? Care to guess? Well, he finished his perfect bot. So he was done with his "project", nothing to do there anymore.

You should also learn the difference between hacking and using a bot. Yeah, that was my fault, I didn't read carefully. You are right when you say hacks are only to get scores.
Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
Let them cheat it's ok.
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