Disable submission surely, and it'll send a message to any other potential cheaters in the community.
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Poll 12: How should we deal with cheaters?
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A cheater is found (100% certain). What do we do with them?
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peppy wrote:
To me, being beneficial to the community doesn't make any difference if they are doing harm secretly. Instant negation of any positive in my eyes.
ontopic: I think the only option is to permanently ban the player. The other two options seem almost rewarding, especially considering
those players who'd like a score reset in order to improve statistics.
Waryas
Most people have a dynamic ip on multiple 255.255.0.0 range (65535*X ips), so it's useless to ban by IPs.
People with static IPs can get a new one by changing their router mac and forcing the dhcp server of their isp of giving them a new one.
Banning MAC? bypassed in 2s. Banning some sort of hardware GUID? bypassed in 2s.
There is no bypass-proof way to ban and if someone is smart enough to cheat on osu i think he's smart enough to bypass a ban.
3rd option is the best choice.
People with static IPs can get a new one by changing their router mac and forcing the dhcp server of their isp of giving them a new one.
Banning MAC? bypassed in 2s. Banning some sort of hardware GUID? bypassed in 2s.
There is no bypass-proof way to ban and if someone is smart enough to cheat on osu i think he's smart enough to bypass a ban.
3rd option is the best choice.
then you lock her up in the basement and never let her see another man.Soly wrote:
Exactly, it's like your wife cheating on you.peppy wrote:
To me, being beneficial to the community doesn't make any difference if they are doing harm secretly. Instant negation of any positive in my eyes.
The problem is that you can kick out the wife, but she always comes back, and always looks different, and you have to accept her back.
Unless you lock her up.
But they cheat. Their statistics are already enhanced.kriers wrote:
considering those players who'd like a score reset in order to improve statistics.
I think he's saying they don't cheat but want their stats reset from their bad play style so then they cheat to get that goal accomplished indirectly.Sinistro wrote:
But they cheat. Their statistics are already enhanced.kriers wrote:
considering those players who'd like a score reset in order to improve statistics.
I still don't get it, since the poll option pairs score reset with disabling score submission.
Voted for option 1, but after reading the thread, more inclined to option 3.
Second chances should not have been given in the first place. Some may complain that people who cheated before a certain date got a second chance compared to those who will not if this gets implemented; unlucky them.
Looking at osu! currently, there seems to be no way of blocking multiaccounts completely. No point in banning ip/MAC address/etc. A person who is intent on cheating is going to find new ways to cheat no matter what; good luck to the admins on dealing with those.
As for why my opinion went from option 1 to option 3, the thread persuaded me that playing for score is only a part of osu!. If a previous cheater decides that what's done is done and decides to lead a new career, then fine. His score submission privileges won't return, but at least he can map/participate in community projects/chat/do whatever else that might please him. Let him use his old account instead of creating a new one. Like I said above, those intent on cheating will carry on by any means anyway, so admins are going to have to pay attention for those willing to regain their score submission privileges by creating new accounts, even if not necessarily for cheating. Cheaters do need to be punished after all, and that is in the form of score reset/prevention of submitting new scores.
Second chances should not have been given in the first place. Some may complain that people who cheated before a certain date got a second chance compared to those who will not if this gets implemented; unlucky them.
Looking at osu! currently, there seems to be no way of blocking multiaccounts completely. No point in banning ip/MAC address/etc. A person who is intent on cheating is going to find new ways to cheat no matter what; good luck to the admins on dealing with those.
As for why my opinion went from option 1 to option 3, the thread persuaded me that playing for score is only a part of osu!. If a previous cheater decides that what's done is done and decides to lead a new career, then fine. His score submission privileges won't return, but at least he can map/participate in community projects/chat/do whatever else that might please him. Let him use his old account instead of creating a new one. Like I said above, those intent on cheating will carry on by any means anyway, so admins are going to have to pay attention for those willing to regain their score submission privileges by creating new accounts, even if not necessarily for cheating. Cheaters do need to be punished after all, and that is in the form of score reset/prevention of submitting new scores.
That was not what I mean but who cares xD
i choose permanent ban
Practically KRZY said everything i was thinking on the post 3 above this one, i would like to see permanent ban really working fine with no exeptions but since it does not, third one is the most viable one.
Probably they have god like hands to manage a perpect score using all hard mods in an insane song.. So they always say they don't cheat.. XD
*I voted for 'reset scores, etc.'... It should be 'reset anything including the supporter's tag'...
*I voted for 'reset scores, etc.'... It should be 'reset anything including the supporter's tag'...
i vote for permaban
Game is for fun, not to show off that "i'm good at this or that"
it would be better with effort, but cheating is just-- NO.
Game is for fun, not to show off that "i'm good at this or that"
it would be better with effort, but cheating is just-- NO.
I know the cheating is unacceptable but I still believe permabans are slightly harsh. After all, the results of cheating can be negated and scores can be reset.
I vote permaban, there is no reason why you should cheat.
As for IP banning, not entirely sure how effective this might be. I mean I can get a different IP just by resetting my modem. MAC address banning however is a bit more effective, but I have no idea the lengths needed to do this
As for IP banning, not entirely sure how effective this might be. I mean I can get a different IP just by resetting my modem. MAC address banning however is a bit more effective, but I have no idea the lengths needed to do this
cheating in osu! (or any other games) is like cheating in class :p
god I did that all the time...Papi Bear ROCKS wrote:
cheating in osu! (or any other games) is like cheating in class :p
I voted permaban, because well, every other game out there, cheating is a permanent ban so, why the hell would we be more lenient than that.
Well that is true...Sakura Hana wrote:
I voted permaban, because well, every other game out there, cheating is a permanent ban so, why the hell would we be more lenient than that.
It isn't, I've played other games that the bans are like 1 month, 2 month 6 month or something like that depending on the cheat xDBeatofIke wrote:
Well that is true...Sakura Hana wrote:
I voted permaban, because well, every other game out there, cheating is a permanent ban so, why the hell would we be more lenient than that.
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.peppy wrote:
Winshley wrote:
(I'm also hoping that peppy can find a way to detect Flashlight cheatings. Perhaps with some unique algorithms applied to the Flashlight mod)It does. The fact you don't know it's there means it's doing a good job; it should not interfere with normal users at all.navy0333 wrote:
i think osu! should have a antihacking system...... like other online games.....
SilentKiller wrote:
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
osu probably md5s dlls for a hashcheck (based off seeing osu!.cfg)
anyway, I think permanent ban is ineffective against cheaters because they can easily re-register and provokes cheaters to hack more; the 3rd option is probably the best option here
I laughed so hard at this....palion wrote:
SilentKiller wrote:
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
osu probably md5s dlls for a hashcheck (based off seeing osu!.cfg)
anyway, I think permanent ban is ineffective against cheaters because they can easily re-register and provokes cheaters to hack more; the 3rd option is probably the best option here
Ah i see. Nvm then.eldnl wrote:
It isn't, I've played other games that the bans are like 1 month, 2 month 6 month or something like that depending on the cheat xD
Cheaters should be Banned Forever.
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Ijah_old
Fact: downloading otherwise private info (such as process lists and window/application data like osu! does without any end user consent is very much illegal, here in the UK at least.SilentKiller wrote:
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
if you know it, and yet u still play, it means u are consenting.Ijah wrote:
Fact: downloading otherwise private info (such as process lists and window/application data like osu! does without any end user consent is very much illegal, here in the UK at least.SilentKiller wrote:
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
Its not public info. I`ve posted it before in the forums and it was removed very swiftly I might add. I dont see why there was such an issue with it if the information was being used correctly.Ijah wrote:
Fact: downloading otherwise private info (such as process lists and window/application data like osu! does without any end user consent is very much illegal, here in the UK at least.SilentKiller wrote:
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
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Doesnt even state the use of data being transmitted. TOS should be updated to accommodate.
that's surprisingly astute from you, SilentKiller.
pretty much every program with any tangible from of "hack detection" will at the very least, check what processes are running on your machine to a list of "suspicious" ones determined by the distributors of the software. this is not new, and such information is probably never even seen by human eyes to begin with.
pretty much every program with any tangible from of "hack detection" will at the very least, check what processes are running on your machine to a list of "suspicious" ones determined by the distributors of the software. this is not new, and such information is probably never even seen by human eyes to begin with.
the process data should at least be encrypted somewhat =\
CHEATERS SHOULD BE BANNED!!!by that..it really shows as an example for those people who really doing it!!!
they should be contented..IMPROVEMENT is the best way!
they should be contented..IMPROVEMENT is the best way!
Permahammer, most definitely. If someone cheats, what's to say they won't cheat again? It's like a leopard on a vinyl recorder.
Except without the leopard.
Or the vinyl recorder.
*ahem*
Except without the leopard.
Or the vinyl recorder.
*ahem*
halo398
well how botu friendok impersonating my account doing my account from halo398 into halo 398 eh?Ijah wrote:
Fact: downloading otherwise private info (such as process lists and window/application data like osu! does without any end user consent is very much illegal, here in the UK at least.SilentKiller wrote:
Yeah because sending a list of open processes and window names is a anti cheat lol. But to be real the worst thing you gonna get on this game is more than likely the flash light issue. Its not popular enough for someone to even bother messing with.
I think cheaters should be nailed to the cross.
The main problem with leaving cheaters around, as seen in another game I play, is that they spread their cheats with their friends once they get caught. It's best to permaban.
Not like the war can be won against multi's tho, but atleast their friends list will be inaccessible.
And they're lazy to make multi's just to spread a cheat, which is why they cheat in the first place.
For example once they get their scores reset, they just float around doing stuff and even cheating like before if they know they're given a second chance by the 'system' of 'not-banning.' They talk to people, and before long, this guy is offering 'you' cheats.
It's happened to me in 2 other games already where I had considerable skill, cheaters got caught, and they were my friends, but they stuck around and soon offered me the cheats. Naturally due to my personality of striving to improve my coordination skills, I refused.
Not like the war can be won against multi's tho, but atleast their friends list will be inaccessible.
And they're lazy to make multi's just to spread a cheat, which is why they cheat in the first place.
For example once they get their scores reset, they just float around doing stuff and even cheating like before if they know they're given a second chance by the 'system' of 'not-banning.' They talk to people, and before long, this guy is offering 'you' cheats.
It's happened to me in 2 other games already where I had considerable skill, cheaters got caught, and they were my friends, but they stuck around and soon offered me the cheats. Naturally due to my personality of striving to improve my coordination skills, I refused.
halo398