If one day I only map an easy diff with a fast song like Road of Resistance it would be funny xD
How are higher ranked players being affected negatively by mappers also mapping easy diffs? What. Your post doesn't really make any sense.Toy wrote:
There are 30,000 ranked maps for osu!standard under 3*. That's over half of all ranked maps. There are also 2,500 maps above 5.5*. That's less than 5%.
There's plenty of content for new players. Higher ranked players are still players, and fundamentally make up more time spent on the game than anyone new.
Late to the party! Sorry.bossandy wrote:
If one day I only map an easy diff with a fast song like Road of Resistance it would be funny xD
"Absurd workload"... Lol, mapping is something you do for fun...Smokeman wrote:
The only thing this will do is promote those mapsets by reducing the absurd workload. It's pretty good
In these exceptional special cases the mapper should prove their point on easier diffs not being mappable then the BN in charge would ask for QAT input on whether the set is rankable without easy diffs.hi-mei wrote:
Give me an example of how I should map multilayered Neuro song that cant be simplified to 1/1 rhythm on easy? or deathmetal etc?
The rule change is completely okay, nobody restricts you from mapping low diffs, go ahead if you want. But from my perspective its just a waste. The low diffs on hard songs are usually low quality because nobody cares about them, everyone knows it as a "filler diffs".
ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:
"Absurd workload"... Lol, mapping is something you do for fun... This doesn't change that it's still a lot of workSmokeman wrote:
The only thing this will do is promote those mapsets by reducing the absurd workload. It's pretty good
Judging by all the replies so far in this thread this new ruleset's reason of being is to encourage lazyness of mappers.
""why not map the whole set yourself", in that time your could map 3 other sets." ... Are you seriously telling me you want 3 sets from the same mapper being ranked quickly? it's more free content for the game so I don't see a downside to that You have LOTs of good mappers who aren't being taken on consideration because the current status of the BN is so unregulated only BN's friends and known mappers get their stuff ranked easily... obviously someone who is well known in the community can rank their maps a lot easier than some random no name mapper, it's like that in a lot of communities I'm pretty sure if you check now the unranked section there are plenty of good full sets potentially rankable. probably, and those sets will get ranked sooner or later if the mapper wants to push them
Also every reply in this thread is taking on account only osu gamemode. So if that "unnecessary" is it for you guys just make the rule apply for osu! and leave the other 3 gamemodes exempt of it. I personally don't care about other modes, but this could help the already rather dead ones to be a little less dead
EDIT:In these exceptional special cases the mapper should prove their point on easier diffs not being mappable then the BN in charge would ask for QAT input on whether the set is rankable without easy diffs.hi-mei wrote:
Give me an example of how I should map multilayered Neuro song that cant be simplified to 1/1 rhythm on easy? or deathmetal etc?
The rule change is completely okay, nobody restricts you from mapping low diffs, go ahead if you want. But from my perspective its just a waste. The low diffs on hard songs are usually low quality because nobody cares about them, everyone knows it as a "filler diffs".
That would solve your issue a lot better without pushing rules that promote lazyness. Then the qat would be spammed by tons of people that don't want to map low diffs for pretty much anything that isn't super simple anime, do you really think that's a good idea?
Guideline wrote:
The highest difficulty of a mapset should correspond to the general feel of the song. An upbeat anime opening should have an Insane or Expert for the highest difficulty, while a calm piano piece can have a Normal as the highest. This is to ensure that the most popular difficulty of a mapset will properly represent what the song offers.
While i felt that songs with between 3:30 and 4:15 probably stays on the grey zone, since some "full sized" songs with that size (especially between 3:50 to 4:15, from my experience) and "Hard" isn't exactly lands on either "low diffs" or "higher diffs" but stays on between. So it's hard to desire should we allow a map that sized can be ranked with one diff or not.Ranking Criteria wrote:
If the drain time of a beatmap is...
...lower than 3:30, the lowest difficulty of each included game mode cannot be harder than a Normal and should include 2 or more difficulties, regardless of how the song feels. Because osu!mania does not have a difficulty-specific Ranking Criteria yet, an osu!mania beatmapset's Normal difficulty is defined as a difficulty below 2.00 stars. For hybrid beatmapsets that include osu! difficulties, the additional modes’ lowest difficulties cannot be harder than a Hard.
Okoratu wrote:
I agree with mo, just maybe dont force Extra if the song suggests expert difficulties
I have no idea what Firis is trying to get across, because you say you propose something and then quote the RC and dont propose things? i dont know
I don't think this would fix it, that would make a lot of lazy sets with a single Hard diff, as what mo said.Mohab500 for Firis' explaination wrote:
he proposed that songs higher than 3:30 should be extempt from the 2-diff rule, while TV size songs and any thing less than 3:30 should still have atleast 2 diffs;
then if a song can actually support a Hard difficulty, the song should support lower diff or higher diff like Normal and Insane, too, so there shouldn't be any extempt of two diff rule for set higher than 3:30 length.Ranking Criteria wrote:
If the drain time of a beatmap is between 3:30 and 4:15, the lowest difficulty of each included game mode cannot be harder than a Hard.
Ranking Criteria wrote:
Mapsets must have at least 2 difficulties. With an exception if the drain time of a beatmap is longer than 5:00.
I was referring to my guideline proposal, not yours. In any case, it would be good if you let Oko know that "I don't want to" is not a proper reasoning:-Mo- wrote:
@ZiRoX The proposed guideline shouldn't be broken with just a simple "I don't wanna" since now the mapper should exhaustively explain why an extra difficulty wouldn't improve a mapset.
Yeah, my proposal allows for a EN spread on Hitorigoto, but so did the old rule about having a minimum of 2 diffs. Basically, my idea is to rollback to the minimum 2 diffs, but giving the possibility of doing a single diff on songs that do not give much space for significant differences in density between diffs (hi, R3!).-Mo- wrote:
Your proposal could be interpreted as "my new Hitorigoto map has an Easy and a Normal. That's reasonable enough spread."
Having a guideline that says the top diff should correspond to the feel of the song would be equally affected by a reasoning like "I don't think it needs a higher diff", but somehow you're way more open to that idea.Okoratu wrote:
Having a guideline to say "you should map two diffs" but it not being required would make reasoning among the lines of "I dont need two difficulties" exhaustive.
Making it a requirement again is probably forcing difficulties that are either just dupes of existing things (aka this is the easy but harder) or altogether chore-difficulties for the sake of their existence and not for the sake of fitting music
-Mo- wrote:
Guideline wrote:
The highest difficulty of a mapset should correspond to the general feel of the song. An upbeat anime opening should have an Insane or Expert for the highest difficulty, while a calm piano piece can have a Normal as the highest. This is to ensure that the most popular difficulty of a mapset will properly represent what the song offers.
The highest difficulty of a beatmapset should correspond to the general feel of the song. Easy/Normal difficulties can be used as the highest difficulties of a beatmapset if their rhythms are not oversimplified. A Hard difficulty or beyond should be the highest difficulty otherwise.
RC wrote:
The highest difficulty of a beatmapset should correspond to the general feel of the song. Easy/Normal difficulties can be used as the highest difficulties of a beatmapset if their rhythms are not oversimplified. A Hard difficulty or beyond should be the highest difficulty otherwise.
RC wrote:
The highest difficulty of a beatmapset should correspond to the general feel of the song. It should not have oversimplified rhythms and object placement should correspond to the sounds in the music.
Okoratu wrote:
i think it isnt too limiting, the scenarios where you'd run into this is when you're making easy / normal only on medium sized songs - provided people were hammered in the face for nominating these in the past i don't think this limits you at all - conversely with Mohab's wording someone could claim the songs supports an Ultra and demand an Ultra
and i dont think that's gonna end well
I agree with this, the removal of the 2 diff rule allows 30 second mapsets with only an Easy or Normal to be rankable (same with 3:30 single hard diff or 4:15 single insane diff) and 1 diff will only appeal to a certain group of players. The main issue about it is that longer songs won't have low diffs anymore so new players can't play them, this is especially problematic on maps starting at insane or having only 1 insane diff at 4:15 length.tatatat wrote:
As I've already stated, I firmly believe only marathons should be able to have 1 diff. All others lengths should require at least two diffs. If that requires 2 diffs that are very very similar, who cares? If they are very very similar it should be easy to make and satisfy the 2 diff requirement.
Shouldn't there be something about marathon mapsets? What if the mapper just wants to make a 5+ minute Easy or Normal mapset?pishifat wrote:
the recently discussed guideline in this thread has been applied in https://github.com/ppy/osu-wiki/pull/1651 and will be amended to the ranking criteria in about 5 days
if anyone has concerns about the change, now is the time to show them!