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Comfy Slippers
Inspired by a recent thread, I felt that a topic like this is almost necessary, and I also want to give my 2 cents on the matter at hand. But before I go any further I'd like to ask future participants some questions

Do you find these 2 (online friends and real life friends) compatible and do they correlate? Or do you think that there's a fine gap between these 2?

How impactful is the geographical distance to you?

How do you cope with the fact that you may never see these people in your life? And how much of an influence were these online friends?

Do you value these types of interactions more than the "actual" ones?

Now, before I go any further, I'd like to address that most of my beliefs stem from my conservative point of view (on nearly everything), and that's probably not going to change. As well as believing that there isn't an explicit definition of word "friendship". I, myself, don't really believe in "online friendships" all that much. It's limited and I'll try to explain why as best as I can, even tho I may come out as a bit of a grouch. Physical perception is superior and way more straighforward. It's more fun and you have a good representation of what kind of personality your companion is. You don't really get the same experience online (minus the fun part, but that's completely up to you). You're mostly texting, you cannot feel other participants as the emotions aren't as clear.

You're limited in knowing other people since you subconsciously perceive them as bots (please don't take this out of context, think and/or read twice), you're not fully aware of their mood swings. You just don't sense them in a way. Now you may use the advantage of technology (voice chat, webcam with others/video chat etc.). This way you're definitely knowing each other to a larger degree, but at the same time it takes way more time and effort just so you can say that' now, you're on equal footing vs. the other (real life). But is that really the case? Cause how I see it is that it's only a step closer but it's still not enough to satisfy your social interaction needs. A lot of this has to do with psychical freedom of choice. You can do whatever the fuck you feel like doing and that only furthers your bonding with another person.

Now, before I end this I want to share a story.

So, we were in highschool, and as a goofball I am, I would alway meet a lot of interesting personalities . Some were fucking geniuses and some were nutjobs (thankfully, I distanced myself from these kind of people before they could influence me in a negative way). It was late spring/early summer, I was a highschool graduate and as you may expect, we had it easy. We would often cut class and teachers would let it fly. And there I was, stuck in a group class that I didn't particularly find that interesting (the people in it, not the subject). We had a 10 minute class before our teacher dismissed us. And as an edgy boy that i am (i'm only memeing), I decided to have some me time and go grab a coffee alone. By entering this one caffee, I stumbled upon a familiar face. We weren't friends by any means, but we knew each other relatively well. He came alone, just like me. I greeted and asked him what he was doing (I didn't really care, but it's the easiest conversation starter). He said something along the lines of "Oh, I'm just talking to some friends", and as I glanced over I noticed him talking in english. I knew that he wasn't stupid so I went along with it. At first I started joking around and soon enough it led to a serious debate. He would keep stating that he values his online friendships more, and as we talked more, he started talking more and more about his depression. He was an emotional mess, and it piqued my interest. We talked for a few more minutes and it became apparent to me that it was due to his lack of physical interaction. And as he would keep on ranting, I'd remember my grandma and how she'd always tell me to turn off my ps2 and go out to play with other kids. As a nice guy I am, I told him to go out on saturday with me and my friend group, that he doesn't have to worry if he's shy or anything and that I'll introduce him to my friends in the best possible way. He was quick to reject, it almost seem as he was disgusted by my recommendation. I derailed this topic as tried to cheer him up a bit with my awesome sense of humor. Oddly enough, I stumbled upon him in an unexpected place (classified info), and he didn't seem to be doing much better. And as I want to have a positive mindset I try to distance myself from people like him. Later on, I found a similar thread on this subforum in which our lovely OP reminds me of him, so yea... If you stuck around, maybe you saw a bit of you in him. I just hope I shed some light with this one.
B1rd
If you're gonna define friendship as someone who fulfills certain social interaction needs, then I agree that you can't do that properly with online friends (and that's why long-distance relationships are a bad idea). However I don't think that's the only type of friendship, you can still share emotions and have engaging discussions with people online, and that's a limited scope, but those interactions can still be very important and meaningful. I've had quite engaging multiple-hour discussions with people all over the world, and having the same discussions with people physically can be difficult, because often you don't live near people who share the same intellectual curiosities as you do.

That said, physical social interaction is still very important. If you only interact online, you can isolate yourself in to bubbles, and it won't "socially discipline" you; that is, finding out what behaviors are looked on by other people as favourable, and those that aren't. Taking an example from Jordan Peterson, some young children steal and hit other, being an innate behavior that they are born with - but they are socialised out of it. If someone isn't socialised properly, they are likely going to continue exhibiting socially undesirable traits like stealing, for example. Or maybe they don't take care of personal hygiene. I'm sure you can think of other instances of behaviours like this. Jordan Peterson goes more in to depth with this in the following lecture: he explains the utility of physical play as a means of finding out the exact social barriers of what is acceptable and what isn't and finding out you bodies limitations, for example, how rough you should be in play wrestling to have fun, but not rough enough to actually hurt other people or be hurt yourself. This wouldn't be limited to physical play, but social interactions as well. Anyway, you should probably watch the video because Peterson can explain it better than I can:


Talking about the person you interacted with, he probably likes his online friends more than physical ones because he has shortcomings that put people off him, but online he can find a bubble where either the people can tolerate his shortcomings, or they don't notice them/they not relevant because of the online format.
Though I can relate to him a bit, being a socially isolated person myself. I'm a pretty unapproachable person when I go out in public, sometimes I will meet someone like an old school friend that goes out of their way to be over familiar with me. This might be helpful for some people who are just shy, but for people who are simply unsocial it's annoying, as you are forced to try to reciprocate this behaviour to not be rude, but trying to come up with acceptable responses is quite a mental strain for people who aren't good at it, and it's likely to end up in awkwardness for both parties. And this isn't something that will be cured simply by going to a party, for example, it probably has something to do with childhood, as Peterson alluded to.

Anyway, gotta go for now.
Naimae

Comfy Slippers wrote:

Do you find these 2 (online friends and real life friends) compatible and do they correlate? Or do you think that there's a fine gap between these 2?
i used to act completely differently around either group, but i feel like more recently those two different sides of me have been coming together recently. there's still a line i won't cross on one side, though

Comfy Slippers wrote:

How impactful is the geographical distance to you?
not really tbh. for me, it's kind of like i just want to talk with them and stuff and a lot of, uh, images? would be shattered if we met irl, as nice as that would seem. the only thing about distance that matters to me is time zones, since i wanna be able to talk to them

Comfy Slippers wrote:

How do you cope with the fact that you may never see these people in your life? And how much of an influence were these online friends?
depends on how my relationship is with them. some of my friendships eventually develop to the point where we start learning about each other's real life stuff, and then it would be nice to meet irl kind of, if awkward. some don't, and as much as physical contact would be nice, it might ruin it for whatever reason. or maybe one side just isn't willing to, or both, and that's fine. the only thing i really care about is being able to interact. more interaction is nice, though?

they've influenced me a lot. i've always had a lot more close online friends than close irl friends, so they've always been a big part of my life and shape a lot of who i am today.

Comfy Slippers wrote:

Do you value these types of interactions more than the "actual" ones?
no, i view them equally. it just so happens that my online friendships tend to run a lot deeper than my irl ones because i'm awkward irl and more affable online or something, but a friendship is a friendship. i might have an irl friendship that i value more than a online friendship or vice versa, but there is no intrinsic hierarchy of friendship that i see based on medium.

Comfy Slippers wrote:

I, myself, don't really believe in "online friendships" all that much.
that's fine and understandable to me. i understand your reasons for believing so, but i just disagree with it. the most i can probably say is there's a friend of mine online who understands my emotional patterns a lot better than anyone i know irl. in that extent, i'd say it's very real.

Comfy Slippers wrote:

He would keep stating that he values his online friendships more, and as we talked more, he started talking more and more about his depression.
i'm inclined to believe that people who are more depressed are more likely to have online friends than people who aren't, because they end up as shutins on their computer, while not depressed people actually go outside i guess. or maybe it's the other way around, that not depressed people are just more likely to have more irl friends than a depressed person.

i'm also of the belief that people don't value one kind of friendship over another, it's just that friendships online might become deeper than friendships irl and because of that, it seems like you value all your online friends more than irl. that is has nothing to do with the medium over which the friendship exists.
DaddyCoolVipper
I treat online friends exactly the same as I treat IRL friends. They're all good to me
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Comfy Slippers
that is has nothing to do with the medium over which the friendship exists.
I never said that. It does narrow down to new age vs. oldschool way of thinking. I prefer the ladder, as you can see through my arguments.

depends on how my relationship is with them. some of my friendships eventually develop to the point where we start learning about each other's real life stuff
You can't be sold on this tho. Internet is flooded with a lot of weird people, some might be closer to us than we think. Masking yourself isn't all that hard. In unlikely, but it's still something to ponder on. Slight cynicism isn't all that bad.

@B1rd
I've seen this. J.P. is fun to watch. H3 podcasts introduced me to him. Been following ever since.
Naimae

Comfy Slippers wrote:

I never said that. It does narrow down to new age vs. oldschool way of thinking. I prefer the ladder, as you can see through my arguments.

oh sorry. i didn't mean you as in YOU. i meant it as a general thing.

Comfy Slippers wrote:

You can't be sold on this tho. Internet is flooded with a lot of weird people, some might be closer to us than we think. Masking yourself isn't all that hard. In unlikely, but it's still something to ponder on. Slight cynicism isn't all that bad.

not really. like we start adding each other on facebook and stuff and the irc channel/discord server turns into a twitter/facebook kind of thing where people are actually posting stuff from irl. would be a lot of work to fake an entire life.
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Comfy Slippers
I took it out of context then.

would be a lot of work to fake an entire life.
Not really. If someone is out to fuck with you, then they're willing to go as far as faking their identity. Again, I wanna put an emphasis on - unlikely.

me wrote:

It's unlikely, but it's still something to ponder on.
Naimae

Comfy Slippers wrote:

would be a lot of work to fake an entire life.
Not really. If someone is out to fuck with you, then they're willing to go as far as faking their identity. Again, I wanna put an emphasis on - unlikely.

Comfy Slippers wrote:

It's unlikely, but it's still something to ponder on.
hmm, fair.
i guess i'm just really trusting of people i interact with, then. i understand your paranoia though, and i think it's strange that i'm not more paranoid of people online since i'm usually paranoid/anxious about everything else. i guess it's become normalized to me?
roshan117
online friendships to me are just the same as irl ones, because I may not see their emotion in real life, but I can hear it whenever we voice chat.
nikky
i don't have any real life friends.
only before i was an otaku
nikky
i don't have any real life friends.
after i became an otaku
E m i
online vs not online is a difference of one aspect (online or not online), but in reality friends have way more aspects than that, i evaluate all of this on a case by case basis. not a big deal, just limited contact... i might want the face to face contact, i might not...

so i can't bring myself to care much either way
roshan117
i feel more comfortable talking about my problems online than irl, most of my irl friendships are about more materialistic things (not truly close friends)

online bcuz you dont have to worry about ppl being materialistic, you can form deeper bonds easier
Nanachii
online or irl doesnt matter
online ones tend to be better and more open to actual discussion unlike the people i see irl
Aurani
To me there is no difference, and there shouldn't be any. Certain online friends have been there in my times of need and helped me more than ANY standard IRL friend ever has. Does that mean that online friends are better? No. It means that you shouldn't generalise things that depend on singular elements, you twats.
VINXIS
think yall need a life LOLLLL MISS ME WITH THIS PINK CIRCLE STUFF WHATTTTT
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