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Ken Nakagawa - Tsuioku no Michishirube ~ Sono Ni

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Dusty
awesome, updated!
Makar
IRC Modded the Taiko @ Fiya's Request

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14:52 Fiya: : Excuse me, do you got a little extra time? I was wondering if you would take a look at a taiko I made recently since 
14:52 Fiya: : you seemed to like my older ones from what I've heard from Haruka and Nyquill
14:52 Makar: : lol sure you dont have to be formal about it
14:52 Fiya: : sorry
14:52 Fiya: : I'm nervous
14:52 Fiya: : xD
14:52 Makar: : multi
14:52 Makar: : line
14:52 Makar: : f
14:52 Makar: : t
14:52 Makar: : w
14:52 Makar: : :D
14:52 Fiya: : xD
14:53 Fiya: : I do that a lot
14:53 Fiya: : orz
14:53 Makar: : :<
14:53 : *Makar pats
14:53 : *Fiya is listening to (Ken Nakagawa - Tsuioku no Michishirube ~ Sono Ni)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42158]
14:53 Fiya: : Haruka already sorta modded it yesterday
14:53 Makar: : downloading
14:53 Makar: : oh
14:53 Fiya: : thanks :D
14:53 Makar: : yeah I heard
14:53 Makar: : =w=
14:54 Fiya: : really?
14:54 Fiya: : lol
14:54 Makar: : yes
14:54 Makar: : downloading at slow internet so give me a sec
14:54 Fiya: : it's cool
14:54 Fiya: : I'm patient enough
14:54 Fiya: : xD
14:55 Makar: : going to play it first ofc
14:55 Fiya: : I would hope
14:55 Fiya: : orz
14:55 Makar: : no HD
14:55 Makar: : looool
14:55 Fiya: : lolz
14:55 Fiya: : too slow
14:55 Fiya: : xD
14:55 Makar: : yeah xD
14:58 Makar: : sorry for bad playing
14:58 Makar: : anyways
14:58 Makar: : overall tis cool
14:58 Fiya: : idk
14:58 Fiya: : seemed better than me
14:58 Fiya: : now
14:59 Fiya: : there are 3 things that I was going to ask for opinions on along with whatever you have to say
14:59 Makar: : go ahead
14:59 Fiya: : alright, first the speed up on the kiai
15:00 Fiya: : it's 1.4 times
15:00 Fiya: : I was wondering if you think it would look better as 1.2
15:00 Fiya: : since I like both but can't really decide
15:01 Fiya: : I think going from 1.0 to 1.4 at the beginning looks better than 1.4 to 1.2, but going from 1.4 to 0.8 at the end is a
15:01 Fiya: : little wierd
15:01 Fiya: : 1.0 to 1.2*
15:02 Makar: : I agree
15:02 Makar: : uhmmm
15:02 Makar: : you might hate me for suggesting this but what about using 1.2 at Kiai but changing overall SV to 1.6
15:03 Fiya: : why would I hate you for that
15:03 Fiya: : lol
15:03 Makar: : because a lot of people hate 1.6 suggestions
15:03 Makar: : xD
15:03 Makar: : I dont usually give them either
15:03 Fiya: : I generally don't change from 1.4 just because I like the way 1.4 looks but I never tried that yet
15:03 Makar: : and also the 0.8 wouldnt look so bad
15:03 Fiya: : so I'll try that now I guess
15:03 Makar: : 1.4 SV at 0.8 is like realllly slow and close together
15:03 Makar: : its already slow bpm
15:04 Fiya: : yea
15:04 Makar: : and it makes the blue tick patterns a bit harder to read when everything is closer
15:04 Fiya: : there's only 1 1/4th note though in the 0.8
15:04 Fiya: : so I figured it would be okay
15:04 Fiya: : but checking out 1.6 anyway
15:04 Makar: : true lol
15:05 Makar: : btw random but can you do me a favour
15:05 Fiya: : what's up
15:05 Makar: : nyquill asked me to do a taiko for him but I really cant do it anytime soon (its a TV size map)
15:05 Makar: : wanna collab or something
15:05 Fiya: : yes I can
15:06 Fiya: : tv size taiko takes me like 2 hours alone
15:06 Fiya: : so w/e
15:06 Makar: : lol
15:06 Makar: : k after looking at this map ill explain more
15:07 Fiya: : the 1.6 actually doesn't look that bad
15:07 Makar: : I like the thing you did with the SV at the end btw
15:08 Fiya: : what did I do
15:08 Makar: : really smooth o.ob
15:08 Fiya: : oh the speed ups?
15:08 Makar: : speedup yeah
15:08 Fiya: : well
15:08 Fiya: : when the map is slow
15:08 Fiya: : you have to be creative somehow
15:08 Fiya: : xD
15:08 Makar: : yeah xD
15:09 Fiya: : I think
15:09 Fiya: : before changing to 1.6 I would like a couple more opinions
15:09 Makar: : alright
15:09 Fiya: : cuz still I like both
15:09 Makar: : you could ask haruka about it later I guess
15:09 Fiya: : yea
15:09 Fiya: : we didn't really discuss 1.6
15:10 Fiya: : just
15:10 Fiya: : what do you think would look better without changing the main sv
15:10 Makar: : yeah
15:10 Makar: : 1.2 would be better eitherway imo btw
15:10 Makar: : at kiai
15:10 Fiya: : lolz
15:11 Fiya: : 1 for 1.4 and 1 for 1.2 so far
15:11 Fiya: : xD
15:11 Makar: : I kinda think of it like
15:11 Makar: : this map is going to be DT+HD'd
15:11 Fiya: : it is
15:11 Fiya: : a lot
15:11 Makar: : the big change in SV
15:11 Makar: : makes HD a pain
15:11 Makar: : no matter the BPM
15:11 Makar: : if its big like that its hard to adjust
15:12 Makar: : (im an HD only player btw)
15:12 Fiya: : I saw
15:12 Fiya: : xD
15:12 Makar: : so yeah its not just what looks better but playability as well xD
15:12 Fiya: : I don't want to like kick you or anything, but I don't really map for the mods orz
15:12 Makar: : not sure what their argument for 1.4 was
15:12 Makar: : well yeah ofc it shouldnt be the only reasoning
15:13 Makar: : I mean,
15:13 Makar: : if its harder to HD, that also means its harder to adjust to without mods for newer players
15:13 Fiya: : true
15:13 Makar: : just think of it like a handicap I guess
15:13 Fiya: : derp, you see why I asked
15:14 Fiya: : alright
15:14 Fiya: : for now I'll go with the sv change to 1.2
15:14 Fiya: : but keep 1.4 for main
15:14 Makar: : alright
15:14 Fiya: : since as you said lots of people don't like 1.6 for some reason
15:15 Makar: : most of the time its because they dont like non-authentic stuff
15:15 Makar: : idk
15:15 Fiya: : >non-authentic
15:15 Fiya: : >playing taiko on a keyboard
15:15 Makar: : exactly lol
15:15 Fiya: : I don't understand
15:15 Fiya: : lol
15:16 Fiya: : well anyway
15:16 Makar: : I hate it when people use authenticy as an excuse when there is no other reasoning behind it
15:16 Makar: : ex no breaks in taiko
15:16 Fiya: : nothing is authentic about taiko in this game
15:16 Fiya: : xD
15:16 Makar: : well there are things like
15:16 Makar: : finisher rules
15:16 Makar: : but they have other reasons
15:16 Makar: : besides authenticy
15:16 Makar: : xD
15:16 Fiya: : mainly
15:16 Fiya: : they are immpossible to play when you use them wrong
15:17 Makar: : yeah exactly
15:17 Makar: : anyways
15:17 Makar: : uh
15:17 Makar: : what else did you want opinions on
15:17 Fiya: : the other two things
15:17 Fiya: : uhm
15:17 Fiya: : the last note
15:17 Fiya: : K and D both fit to me
15:18 Fiya: : do you think D sounds better or K
15:18 Fiya: : Haruka said she liked D
15:18 Makar: : I like D
15:18 Fiya: : then I'll keep D
15:18 Fiya: : and you kind of answered the other one already
15:19 Fiya: : I was gonna ask if you liked the speed ups after kiai
15:19 Makar: : I already told you I liked those
15:19 Makar: : xD
15:19 Makar: : yeah
15:19 Fiya: : I know
15:19 Fiya: : xD
15:19 Makar: : alright uh ill go through it a bit more for pattern suggestions now I guess
15:20 Fiya: : mm
15:20 Makar: : oh uh
15:20 Makar: : soft hitsounds
15:21 Fiya: : what about them
15:21 Makar: : they dont really sound good when using the non-taiko theme imo
15:21 Makar: : lol
15:21 Fiya: : neither do the normal ones
15:21 Fiya: : orz
15:21 Makar: : lemme compare actually one sec
15:22 Fiya: : unless I don't remember them right
15:22 Fiya: : and they actually do sound good
15:23 Makar: : yeah I like the normal ones better
15:23 Makar: : just my opinion though I guess
15:23 Fiya: : I never map taiko without taiko hitsounds so I tend to forget that they're different
15:23 Makar: : same
15:23 Makar: : I use the taiko hitsounds too xD
15:24 Fiya: : but yea I can change that
15:24 Fiya: : it's just switch to normal set and find a lower volume
15:24 Fiya: : lolz
15:24 Makar: : yup
15:25 Makar: : 00:21:190 (7,8,9,10,11) -
15:25 Makar: : what about following piano here like you did everywhere else o.o
15:25 Makar: : dk dk d
15:25 Fiya: : I did before
15:25 Fiya: : what it ended up as though
15:26 Fiya: : was a 5 in the middle of a bunch of 4's
15:26 Fiya: : which played wierd
15:26 Fiya: : cuz it was originally dkddk dk d K starting 00:20:740 -
15:27 Makar: : yeah
15:27 Fiya: : the 5 kind of throw's of the quad flow of that section
15:27 Makar: : I see
15:28 Fiya: : so I tried following the violin like haruka suggested instead of the piano there to keep the flow better
15:28 Makar: : mhm
15:29 Makar: : okay um
15:29 Makar: : while test playing
15:30 Makar: : 00:40:090 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18) - this area/section/whatever felt weird to play and I assume
15:30 Makar: : its because you stop following the drums for a bit and follow the cello or whatever the hell it is
15:31 Makar: : ex
15:31 Makar: : 00:40:390 - d here
15:31 Makar: : 00:40:840 - remove
15:31 Makar: : 00:41:440 - note here
15:32 Makar: : 00:42:040 - remove
15:32 Makar: : etc
15:32 Fiya: : actually it was less me not following the drums and more just trying not to repeat the same patterns too much
15:32 Makar: : and then you start following the drums again here 00:41:890 -
15:33 Makar: : I see what you mean but I dont think the drum is constantly doing the same pattern
15:33 Fiya: : it isn't
15:33 Makar: : so to me it would be okay to follow the drums in this section to be consistent withen the kiai
15:34 Makar: : just my opinion though xD
15:34 Fiya: : lol
15:34 Fiya: : that's what a mod is though
15:34 Fiya: : is an opnion
15:34 Fiya: : I am
15:34 Fiya: : taking it into account
15:34 Fiya: : and trying things
15:35 Makar: : thats all for me to point out btw
15:35 Fiya: : so if I did that there though
15:35 Fiya: : 00:35:290 - shouldn't I change this too
15:36 Fiya: : since it is essentially the same thing
15:36 Makar: : it is
15:36 Makar: : but eh
15:36 Makar: : I didnt find it awkward to play
15:36 Fiya: : 00:44:890 - here too
15:36 Fiya: : lol
15:36 Makar: : I only pointed it out in the kiai because it actually felt wierd
15:36 Fiya: : well
15:36 Fiya: : lolz
15:38 Fiya: : hmm
15:38 Fiya: : if I change the one time you pointed out
15:39 Fiya: : it is consistent with the kiai then
15:39 Makar: : mhm o.o
15:39 Fiya: : then I'll just change that one
15:39 Fiya: : xD
15:39 Makar: : lol
15:39 Fiya: : I don't know
15:39 Fiya: : I was thinking too hard
15:39 Makar: : you can also just get more opinions too if they think th eothers should be changed too
15:40 Makar: : but the others are fine imo xD
15:40 Fiya: : yea
15:40 Fiya: : I guess I'll just add that into what I ask first
15:40 Fiya: : lol
15:40 Makar: : alright o.o
Fiya
Changes me and Makar agree'd on: http://puu.sh/JFzJ

Still want more opinions so I'm gonna keep asking around lol
Topic Starter
Dusty
updated again!
Mystica
here comes my mod.

[General]
combo color (3) and (4) are the same >_>

[Easy]
00:57:190 - add finish?

[Normal]
00:32:890 (2,3) - not very beauty to see

[Hard]
00:17:290 (8) - nc here
00:23:440 (8) - ^
00:26:890 (7) - ^

feels you may add some hitsound to make it more fun >_> GL :)
Topic Starter
Dusty

Mystica wrote:

[General]
combo color (3) and (4) are the same >_>
these are the default colors?

Everything else was fixed except the hitsounds, I might need to get some custom sounds if I want to make anything sound good :/

thanks for modding!
wmfchris
Taiko mod as requested

lol are you serious the font on taiko bg

00:17:140 - to show the downgoing melody use kkdd?
00:17:590 - actually these 3 instrumental notes are equally heavy, consider to finish all 3 or none of them
00:22:390 - ^
00:38:590 - stop the stream at this vocal accent like before? Then use kkd
00:46:390 - the pitch of the 3rd note is higher. D D K?
00:59:290 - dkdkddk?
01:04:540 - dkkddk? it sounds better when ending with k, just a personal thought

nice music.
Fiya

wmfchris wrote:

Taiko mod as requested

lol are you serious the font on taiko bg It's the font from the game series at least xD, I do have a normal font BG too though just in case lol.

00:17:140 - to show the downgoing melody use kkdd? Sure
00:17:590 - actually these 3 instrumental notes are equally heavy, consider to finish all 3 or none of them That's kinda what I want to do, but I would have to break the quad before that since I don't want to put a finish in a 1/4th section regardless of the bpm and I don't want to do that more than I want all three of those notes to be finishers.
00:22:390 - ^ ^ because I didn't change the other one, and I want them to be the same finish wise.
00:38:590 - stop the stream at this vocal accent like before? Then use kkd feels a little empty there without the full pattern.
00:46:390 - the pitch of the 3rd note is higher. D D K? vocally the third one is higher, but in the percusion it's the opposite.
00:59:290 - dkdkddk? Yes.
01:04:540 - dkkddk? it sounds better when ending with k, just a personal thought I think the current pattern flows out of the kiai more easily.

nice music. GUST composers for the win?
Changes: http://puu.sh/LT9Y

Thanks once again wmf o/
Topic Starter
Dusty
updated; thanks, chris! :)
Shulin
[Easy]

01:29:590 (3) - New combo here so it's consistent with the 01:36:790 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - section?
01:34:390 (3) - ^
01:43:990 (4) - ^

[Normal]

  1. I think the normal hitsound sections sound better at 45% volume. But why didn't you use SC:2 like Hard? You could use the same hitsound pattern on notes like 00:50:890 (2) - and keep the same volume =P
00:49:400 - Unsnapped inheriting section, since you're changing hitsound / volume here probably best to snap it.
00:50:580 - ^

Taiko diff is fun and Hard looks great. Let me know what you think and I'll be back :D

No kds lol
Topic Starter
Dusty
boom updated

Those timing sections were me being silly...
Shulin
You're not going to use the custom clap on Normal? Also shouldn't 01:46:390 - be default hitsound like the other diffs? (Sorry if I didn't notice this before, can't tell after the update!)
Topic Starter
Dusty
oops yeah, updated again
Shulin
Boom Boom Bubble ~
grumd
Well, let's try it.
This song is beautiful by the way :>

— Overall
I never liked standart combo colors, they're too bright and hurt my eyes. Try these, they are more pale and nice:
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[Colours]
Combo1 : 200,185,145
Combo2 : 160,124,205
Combo3 : 211,169,169
Combo4 : 177,200,222

Hard

— Overall
Mainly − only hitsounds and cosmetic suggestions and only one really important rhythm issue. Your rhythm is almost perfect, but that fix can make it better.

— Mapping
  1. 00:10:840 (2,3,4) - I wish you could make this stream flow a bit smoother, like on the screenshot. Also if you do this, you will have more place for (5) and better flow possibilities for it. You did the flow pretty well in the parts like this: 00:20:440 (3,4,5)
  2. 00:12:790 (1) - Please add new combos every downbeat. You combos are too long atm, and the sound changes noticeably on the big white ticks, so NCs here are reasonable. Like here 00:17:590 (1) and 00:22:390 (7) here, check which downbeats fit the new combo.
  3. 00:12:490 - Remove the whistle here please. It's really unneccessary, I can't hear any pitch up on this note.
  4. 00:13:690 - But here the whistle fits. Try it.
  5. 00:14:590 - Remove the whistle. Nothing calls for it.
  6. 00:14:890 (2,3) - Try to swap whistles here. Add it on the circle and remove from slider's head. This makes much more sense, because the sound on (2) is higher than on (3).
  7. 00:16:090 (5,6) - Same.
  8. 00:17:290 (1,2,3) - Like the first suggestion. I want to see these circles beeing an extension of the slider, like it was one solid object. This looks much neater. Also atm your spacing is 0.84x; 0.78x on (2), and that looks a bit odd. If you fix it like on the screenshot with snapping to 0.8x, it would look much better.
  9. 00:17:290 (1) - Add a whistle here, strings are pitching up
  10. 00:19:540 (7) - + whistle please, just fits the previous whistle very good. Try it.
  11. 00:20:290 (2) - + whistle? You mus temphasize how (2) is higher than (3)
  12. 00:24:490 (1,2) - Swap whistles like on 00:14:890
  13. 00:35:890 - Add a whistle here to be consistent with whistles on 00:33:490 and 00:31:090
  14. 00:45:190 (3) - And my main reason for modding this: this rhythm is wrong. You want to keep symmetry, but you miss an important string note on 00:45:490. You really need a note there, so my suggestion: (don't forget to keep hitsounds)
  15. 00:47:590 - Consider adding a green line with increased volume like 45-50%
  16. 00:50:890 (3) - Sudden 0.9x? You usually use 0.8x, visually - far closer spacing. This change is unneeded and strange. You definitely can keep encircling:
    If you apply this, 00:48:190 (1,2) - will be placed too close probably, so just move (1) down if that happens.
  17. 00:54:790 (3,4) - Copy the last fix if you apply it.
  18. 00:59:290 (3) - Just one grid up to make it 0.8x, not 0.85x
  19. 01:02:890 (10) - One grid up please... It's too close now.
  20. 01:22:390 (1,2,3) - Please make the spacing consistent.
  21. 01:47:440 (3) - Why do you suddenly use 0.62x? This spacing is too close, you always used 0.8x. Fix it please. The same issue 01:47:740 (4,5), 01:49:390 (8,9,10,11)
Normal

— Mapping
  1. 00:16:390 (5) - (optional) Just in my opinion, this curve looks better (Ctrl+H+J+R). Move 00:17:590 (1) if you fix it ofc
  2. 00:23:590 (5) - Rhythm. End this slider at 00:24:040 and add a note at 00:24:340. The player must be already used to blue ticks for this moment; also this placement fits piano better.
  3. 00:25:990 (2) - It will flow better and fix any spacing errors/unneeded jumps if you Ctrl+R it.
  4. 00:32:890 (2,3) - This is a 1.2x jump which is totally unneeded. It breaks the flow and meh :c Must be fixed.
  5. 00:34:390 (1) - Eeeh, what is the reason for using it? I can hear notes at 00:34:990 - 00:35:290 and 00:35:590, you must map them too.
  6. 00:42:490 (2,3) - Overlaps are not welcome in Normal diffs, especially such weird ones. This can be a possible solution. ((4) is stacked on (1) start)
  7. 00:43:990 (1) - The same long strange slider. It is probably nice-looking, but the music is not calling for it.
  8. 00:56:590 (1) - Try to reduce this jump, at least like this (to 1.2x)
  9. 01:31:090 (6,8) - This 1.2x is a jump? This is likely a spacing error, looks very bad and plays too. Move (6,7,8) higher.
  10. 01:33:490 (2,3,4) - To fix this spacing, select 2-4 circles and use Ctrl+Shift+R to rotate them by -20°
  11. 01:58:090 (4) - One grid down and right :>
Easy

— Overall
I do not recommend you using so different distance snapping in easier diffs in the future. I believe that the best for easy is constant 1.0, since the player will not be confused with the difference between slider speeds and distances between circles. Constant speed makes playing easier. So just use distance snap and everything will be better.

— Mapping
  1. 00:11:590 (2) - Place this note to 0.7x, no need to jump from 0.9 to 0.7, this may feel confusing for beginners
  2. 00:19:990 (1,2) - Same.
  3. 00:29:590 (1) - No-no, make this closer to the previous object. This is too huge jump for beginners :c This may work:
  4. 00:48:790 (1,2,3,4,1) - This spacing is too bad imo. Many differences, jumps, anti-jumps, blah-blah. Remember what I've told about constant speeds it easy? Rework this pattern to make it better and more consistent please.
  5. 01:43:990 (1) - Too big jump here :( 1.64x for an Easy is just ridiculous.
    To be honest, actual numbers (like 1.64) means nothing here. Everything is noticed by eye, it's affects gameplay, numbers are just given as a proof
Thats all from me. Good luck on making this mapset better!
Topic Starter
Dusty
woah too many suggestions for me to go through them all individually. but I changed most of them (sometimes not in the way you wanted me to but eh). thanks for the mod!

I didn't follow a bunch of the whistle suggestions where you said to add whistles to emphasize pitch because soft-whistle is a tambourine in the default skin, which I associate more with rhythm than pitch.

edit: and also I'm still breaking DS a little on Easy to avoid overlap. if you're not getting confused and combobreaking it should be fine

edit2: just cause I didn't respond individually to all the suggestions doesn't mean I think your mod was bad or anything, actually this is the one of the best mods I've gotten on a map! :)
grumd

Dusty wrote:

actually this is the one of the best mods I've gotten on a map! :)
Yay I'm happy that you haven't ignored it because of bubble, thanks *3*
Niva
Hi Dusty~
Randomly checking popped bubble here...

[General]

-> My timing check, I got offset 785 (-5ms), 790 sounds quite late for me...
-> Apply the custom combo color to Easy and Normal as well >_<

[Easy]

  1. 00:15:190 (1,3) - Maybe try something like this? It helps to avoid overlap between (3) and your next red (1) though:
    152,224,15190,6,0,B|152:167|152:167|165:98|165:98|165:42,1,180
    256,112,16390,2,0,B|256:304,1,180,2|0
    360,224,17590,2,0,B|360:167|360:167|347:98|347:98|348:42,2,180
  2. 00:29:590 (1,3) - Only for (1,3), I prefer something like this, again to avoid overlap:
  3. 00:39:190 (1) - Move a bit higher (~x:131 y:191)? (3,4,1)'s flow will be better this way imo (:
  4. 00:41:590 (3) - Well, if you do above suggestion don't forget to move this a bit lower as well to balance the pattern xD
  5. 00:56:590 (3) - Previously you have a whistle on green (3)'s start, add a whistle on slider's start as well? (the synth sounds the same on both though...)
  6. 00:57:790 (4,1) - Use 1.0x distance snap between these two (as you used in (3,4) previously)? Uhm, I don't really mind the spacing changes in this diff (they're not that hard to catch) but this one... orz, (3,4,1) really looks like accelerated spacing >_<
  7. 01:02:590 (3) - (optional) Perhaps create something like this and start spinner 1/4 after? The music continues actually, plus you can put whistle on (5) this way~
  8. 01:03:190 (1) - Make this spinner spin in ~30% volume instead? I can't really enjoy the music with the long spinner's spin sound distracting >_<
  9. 01:24:790 (3) - (optional) Remove the repeat and add circle on 01:25:990 (at the center)? Personal preference actually :3
  10. 01:39:190 (1,3), 01:41:590 (1,3) - Hmm, I'd CTRL+R these two individually so the pattern here will start from left-right-left instead of your current left-left-right...
  11. 01:51:190 (1,3) - Remove whistle on both slider's start? Whistle on slider's start should start on 01:55:990 (1) imo (plus it'll make more sense why your previous (1,1) doesn't have whistle on slider's start)
  12. 02:06:340 (1) - I really recommend to start spinner 1/4 after, 1/2 doesn't blend with the music at all though ._.
[Normal]

-> orz, idk why people are favoring AR6 for Normal nowadays... (well, this one fits AR6 though, but I've personally seen slower normal using AR6...)

  1. 00:23:590 (5) - (optional) Uhm, maybe it's just me, but straight slider looks fabulous here imo :3
  2. 00:27:190 (3) - Hmm, not a fan of many times repeating slider, actually... I prefer something like this, it'll get the soul more especially when (4) is stacked to your next (1) imo~
  3. 00:29:590 (1) - (optional) This one is worth to be curved more imo (for example, midpoint in ~x:146 y:397)
  4. 00:35:590 (3) - Uhm, are you missing whistle on slider's end here? (your next 00:43:990 has a whistle on end)
  5. 00:39:190 (1) - Same as 00:29:590
  6. 00:46:390 (5) - Put higher (~x:76 y:74) and adjust your upcoming (7)? imo this won't hurt plus your arc on (5,6,7) will look cute imo~
  7. 00:49:390 (2) - The lack of whistle here, is it intentional? (well, at least the repeat could use a whistle I think)
  8. 00:59:590 (4) - orz, why don't you make this perfectly encircled by (3) instead (~x:387 y:217) with distance snap off... Will be more beautiful this way (:
  9. 01:02:590 (4,5) - Same as my suggestion on Easy, but this time a simple straight line like this would work:
  10. 01:03:190 (1) - Also same suggestion as Easy about quieting the spinner and putting the spinner 1/4 after (:
  11. 01:27:190 (1) - This arc really could use a less narrow angle imo, perhaps try this and adjust your next arcs:
    136,352,87190,6,0,B|51:303|-21:192|44:73|136:32,1,400,2|0
  12. 01:46:390 (1) - (optional) Make this encircle (3) from the outside instead? Looks much more beautiful imo xD
  13. 01:48:790 (1) - Same as above, but to make it encircle the (3) the curve should be going right instead...
  14. 01:52:090 (2) - For variation and flow, imo putting this a bit higher (~x:320 y:126) won't hurt~ (if you did this don't forget to adjust your next (2))
  15. 02:06:490 (1) - Same as Easy, start spinner 1/4 after your previous circle to make it blend better with the music?
[Fiya's Taiko Oni]

-> I much prefer SV 1.60 here, due to low BPM...

  1. 02:06:190 (1) - K instead of D perhaps? (well, imo the song's quite "splashing" here so I prefer K)
[Hard]

  1. 00:12:190 (5) - CTRL+R and use a bigger encircle radius from your next (6) like below? I really liked the circular movement formed here~
  2. 00:21:790 (6) - (optional) Here also, personally I liked more if this is encircling (7) instead of (5)...
  3. 00:25:390 (3) - Minor stuff, put in ~x:371 y:143 to balance (2,3,4)?
  4. 00:28:990 (6) - Whistle on slider's end fits perfectly with the piano here imo...
  5. 00:36:790 (5,6,7) - Uhm, why don't you just aim for symmetry here (put (6) around ~x:455 y:192 and CTRL+J (7) from (5) - the angle from (7,8) will be better this way (plus the jump formed isn't hard to catch at all :3)
  6. 00:45:190 (3,4) - orz, again I prefer a symmetry jump here rather than two circles, flows much better imo:
  7. 00:46:390 (1,2) - If you do above suggestion, don't forget to swap their position (CTRL+R) so the pattern will be organized xD
  8. 00:54:190 (2) - Hmm, why don't you just balance (1,2,3) by placing this on ~x:211 y:189, forming a triangle instead >_<
  9. 01:03:190 (1) - Same as previous diffs about quieting the spinner and starting the spinner 1/4 after...
  10. 01:24:790 (5) - Remove the finish from slider's body? (there's no sliderfinish anyway... only sliderwhistle orz ._.)
  11. 01:38:140 (5,6,7,8) - (optional) With 120° rotation you can create something much more fancier like this, actually:
  12. 01:40:690 (6,7,8) - Well, if you do above suggestion don't forget to adjust these three as well (also applies to your next patterns like this)
  13. 01:46:390 (1) - To be honest I don't think clap is good to start your new combo here... I'd just leave it without hitsound to emphasize the angelic voices - this suggestion applies to your next (1) starts
  14. 01:52:240 (3,4) - (optional) Arrange like this instead? imo it'll be a lot fancier if (3) encircles (2): (apply this to your next (7,8) also if you want)
  15. 02:06:490 (1) - Same as previous diffs, start spinner 1/4 after your previous circle to make it blend better with the music?
Uhm... It's solid enough imo, I'll be glad to recheck this personally after the fixes~
Great symmetry map and song though (:
Topic Starter
Dusty
I'm not going to bother quoting with a reply because I just went and changed everything you pointed out.

Thanks for the mod!
Niva
Okay then, rechecking... (don't kudosu this)

[General]

-> Hmm, after the fixes don't forget to apply -5ms also to your inherit sections (especially kiai :3)
-> Are you still waiting for the Taiko diff's creator? I still feel uneasy somewhat with 1.40 SV but it's not something unrankable though...

[Easy]

  1. 01:03:785 (5) - Missing whistle here? (clap as you did on Normal also works though)
[Hard]

  1. 01:03:185 (11) - New combo
  2. 02:06:185 (1,1) - Uhm, snapping error here? Spinner should be 1/4 later...
Aside from these minor stuffs, nothing else wrong (:
Topic Starter
Dusty

Niva wrote:

Okay then, rechecking... (don't kudosu this)

[General]

-> Hmm, after the fixes don't forget to apply -5ms also to your inherit sections (especially kiai :3) oops, fixed
-> Are you still waiting for the Taiko diff's creator? I still feel uneasy somewhat with 1.40 SV but it's not something unrankable though... Yes, I'm waiting on that. Maybe I'll send Fiya a PM

[Easy]

  1. 01:03:785 (5) - Missing whistle here? (clap as you did on Normal also works though) added
[Hard]

  1. 01:03:185 (11) - New combo added, also removed the new combo to the spinner on every diff
  2. 02:06:185 (1,1) - Uhm, snapping error here? Spinner should be 1/4 later... fixed, also removed the new combo on this spinner on every diff
Aside from these minor stuffs, nothing else wrong (:
thanks for rechecking!
Fiya

Dusty wrote:

Niva wrote:

Okay then, rechecking... (don't kudosu this)

[General]

-> Hmm, after the fixes don't forget to apply -5ms also to your inherit sections (especially kiai :3) oops, fixed
-> Are you still waiting for the Taiko diff's creator? I still feel uneasy somewhat with 1.40 SV but it's not something unrankable though... Yes, I'm waiting on that. Maybe I'll send Fiya a PM
Sorry, I was afk from osu! a couple days orz

Changed to 1.6 sv as personal preference it looks better and quite a few people have mentioned it, and personally both D and K fit the last note, but K sounds nicer so changed. Fixed the inheriteds in my diff too.

http://puu.sh/11kmc

Thanks lol, and sorry I'm late so much.
Topic Starter
Dusty
thanks, Fiya!

reuploaded!
Niva
Added a missing whistle on Hard after a talk through Forum PM, all good now~

(To next MAT/BAT/modder : there's an unsnapped inherit section (by 5ms) on Normal but it does not affect gameplay/slider speed/provides the wrong hitsound)

Rebubbled ~
Garven
Hey, long time no see!

[Easy]
00:28:985 (4,1) - Quite the jump for an easy.
01:40:385 (3,1) - ^
02:06:185 (1) - Too soon after a spinner for an easy.

[Normal]
01:27:185 (1) - This section is kind of iffy with those jumps. Here's a couple suggestions to make it smoother and a bit more friendly for Normal players.
-
01:27:185 (1,2,3,4) - ctrl + j
01:31:085 (6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ctrl + j
-
02:03:185 (1) - End this at 02:05:510 - (1/8 snap)

[Hard]
02:03:185 (1) - End this at 02:05:510 - (1/8 snap)

(yay I had something more than "slider touching hp bar" for once q:)
Topic Starter
Dusty

Garven wrote:

Hey, long time no see!

[Easy]
00:28:985 (4,1) - Quite the jump for an easy.
01:40:385 (3,1) - ^
02:06:185 (1) - Too soon after a spinner for an easy.

[Normal]
01:27:185 (1) - This section is kind of iffy with those jumps. Here's a couple suggestions to make it smoother and a bit more friendly for Normal players.
-
01:27:185 (1,2,3,4) - ctrl + j
01:31:085 (6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - ctrl + j
-
02:03:185 (1) - End this at 02:05:510 - (1/8 snap)

[Hard]
02:03:185 (1) - End this at 02:05:510 - (1/8 snap)

(yay I had something more than "slider touching hp bar" for once q:)
All changed, except with the last spinner I did something different for consistency. Thanks for modding!

edit: also I changed the unsnapped timing section on Normal
Garven
I can dig it.
Suimya
Gratz~
Mafiamaster
YES!! Ar tonelico 3 is my favorite PS3 game. Thank you for making this great map.

I hope you will make more in the future. :)
Topic Starter
Dusty
awesome, 10th ranked map! Thanks to everyone who helped make this like it is now!

Mafiamaster wrote:

YES!! Ar tonelico 3 is my favorite PS3 game. Thank you for making this great map.

I hope you will make more in the future. :)
Thanks! I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually! (well, maybe sometime next year...)
Buccakazu
:)
Pachiru
It's still a pleasure to play it, even if the map is out since few years ago already :)
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