don't forget that this is OT: some of the residents here may take it not seriously. If, in a case, someone needs to blurt such thing, I think it'd be better to put it on General Discussion instead (or reddit, but not oss). Still, better seek therapist.Momi wrote:
but is there any sort of real solid reason? as someone who isn't suicidal i'm glad if people can speak their mind and all of that stuff
and if whining is speaking their mind then that's ok, to me definitely, because their trouble is bigger than my trouble of reading it
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but people don't always do the most optimal thing for themselves regardless, so it's possible that someone on here could actually be feeling like that while not seeming like it. maybe they even want to hide it by doing it among a sea of ironic suicide jokesSaturnalize wrote:
don't forget that this is OT: some of the residents here may take it not seriously. If, in a case, someone needs to blurt such thing, I think it'd be better to put it on General Discussion instead (or reddit, but not oss). Still, better seek therapist.
which is dangerous. My response to the statement has been said well by abraker, so I'm not gonna say it twice.citremi wrote:
but people don't always do the most optimal thing for themselves regardless, so it's possible that someone on here could actually be feeling like that while not seeming like it. maybe they even want to hide it by doing it among a sea of ironic suicide jokesSaturnalize wrote:
don't forget that this is OT: some of the residents here may take it not seriously. If, in a case, someone needs to blurt such thing, I think it'd be better to put it on General Discussion instead (or reddit, but not oss). Still, better seek therapist.
Though people actually may, initiatively, pm the "person" to help their problem (in any kind of way), I doubt there is.
are you talking about me my post was a joke 
half of the potential mapper base is in depression. that bird does nothingCDFA wrote:
Ephemeral is a licensed psychologist I think
This man knows his shit
EXHIBIT A
CDFA wrote:
I'm going to kick your ass.
EXHIBIT Butt kinking
CDFA wrote:
prepare to have your butt kicked
Did you two really have to ruin this thread, of all threads? That's really low, even for OT.
Have to agree with John.
This is a fucking serious thread, and is not supposed to be memed in, even though it's OT.
Not funny.
This is a fucking serious thread, and is not supposed to be memed in, even though it's OT.
Not funny.
johnmedina999 wrote:
Did you two really have to ruin this thread, of all threads? That's really low, even for OT.
Hmmm I did not quite look at the title of the thread when I was in the process of posting. I also open threads in bulk, so I wouldn't see it from the listing either. On the behalf of the OT Royal Society of Quality, I must apologize. I have sinned.yuhaii- wrote:
Have to agree with John.
This is a fucking serious thread, and is not supposed to be memed in, even though it's OT.
Not funny.
The only remaining thing to be said about this topic is how osu! became associated with depression and anxiety in the first place. Why this talk started, why it continued. Then you begin to realize it got so out of hand that we can't make legitimacy of any of it. Most people say "pls kms" for the lols, memes.
I think the point is that Eph wants us to stop making so many suicide jokes. We can't stop them all, but when someone does make one maybe we can take them more seriously instead of assuming they're memeing and ignoring it and probably making it worse. The fewer there are, the more they'll stick out when it appears.
Shohei Ohtani
Be mad, I don't give a shit, lmao.
If you're talking serious mental health, what I'd suggest people sort of do is open up the dialogue for what exactly situates their feelings, and be more open to sort of discussing those feelings.
What ends up happening a lot in these fucking meme forums is that people can sort of express these serious emotions as sort of "hahah it's not serious because it's all a fuckin meme
)))", which like, humor HAS a place in coping, but then you end up having a lot of shit to where you allow these negative and harmful thoughts to develop and engross itself more without even realizing. Combine that with an environment that thrives off of that, and you have a recipe for disaster.
If people really do have suicidal thoughts or tendencies, I really do motivate them to do a few things
1) Speak with a trained professional. Preferably someone that's not related to you in terms of friendship and stuff. Your friend has biases, has tendencies, and is not trained on how to deal with these situations. Even someone like me, who is currently in the process of becoming a trained professional, can't really help because I have my own viewpoints on you as a person and am going to give biased opinions, advice, and help. There are plenty of options on how to seek out care, plenty of options to deal with insurance, and there are more and more growing options to sort of allow an individual to seek care without having to deal with overbearing parents and such (I know it's not always going to happen, because parents have SUCH a strong influence. They probably pay for everything, they'd be the ones driving you, and not every parent is super excited about "oh yeah my son wants counseling because he's depressed"), but options can be sought after, explored, and discussed.
2) Take a change of environment. Which can be difficult. It can be really fucking difficult, because some places are so integral to identity. I had a huge identity crisis after I got banned from the game, because osu! is inherently who I am. It shapes the way I think about the world, think about music, and was where I got the majority of my friends. But what taking a change of pace can do is can allow one to really sort of escape environments that can fuel suicidal thoughts or tendencies, or even just... i don't want to say normalize, but rather allow sort of these intrusive thoughts to be seen as ideal. Humans are inherently social, and we play off our environment. We learn about the world through those around us, and we learn what is okay and not okay through where we live. If I was in East Texas, for instance, I may have more of a hankering for race-based humor than if I lived in Southern California. If you are able to pinpoint envionments where you either are receiving suicidal thoughts, or are having these thoughts supported, a break may be able to help with that.
3) Consult a fucking professional. I know I already said this but like man it's so important. Your friends are great and they can give advice but it can't compare to someone who is a neutral professional. And if they aren't working, do everything in your power to find another one, because professionals are all human and different people may work for you. You should not see a therapist as some sort of god that will solve all of your problems and is the devil if they don't, but rather a neutral party that is trained to help you through your situation to the best of their ability through their experience, knowledge, and education.
So that's sort of the first step. I can't force anyone to seek help but I can constantly give them the information they need to sort of seek help, and I personally am willing to assist people with finding the help they need, with my limited knowledge of the counseling world.
If you're talking serious mental health, what I'd suggest people sort of do is open up the dialogue for what exactly situates their feelings, and be more open to sort of discussing those feelings.
What ends up happening a lot in these fucking meme forums is that people can sort of express these serious emotions as sort of "hahah it's not serious because it's all a fuckin meme
)))", which like, humor HAS a place in coping, but then you end up having a lot of shit to where you allow these negative and harmful thoughts to develop and engross itself more without even realizing. Combine that with an environment that thrives off of that, and you have a recipe for disaster.If people really do have suicidal thoughts or tendencies, I really do motivate them to do a few things
1) Speak with a trained professional. Preferably someone that's not related to you in terms of friendship and stuff. Your friend has biases, has tendencies, and is not trained on how to deal with these situations. Even someone like me, who is currently in the process of becoming a trained professional, can't really help because I have my own viewpoints on you as a person and am going to give biased opinions, advice, and help. There are plenty of options on how to seek out care, plenty of options to deal with insurance, and there are more and more growing options to sort of allow an individual to seek care without having to deal with overbearing parents and such (I know it's not always going to happen, because parents have SUCH a strong influence. They probably pay for everything, they'd be the ones driving you, and not every parent is super excited about "oh yeah my son wants counseling because he's depressed"), but options can be sought after, explored, and discussed.
2) Take a change of environment. Which can be difficult. It can be really fucking difficult, because some places are so integral to identity. I had a huge identity crisis after I got banned from the game, because osu! is inherently who I am. It shapes the way I think about the world, think about music, and was where I got the majority of my friends. But what taking a change of pace can do is can allow one to really sort of escape environments that can fuel suicidal thoughts or tendencies, or even just... i don't want to say normalize, but rather allow sort of these intrusive thoughts to be seen as ideal. Humans are inherently social, and we play off our environment. We learn about the world through those around us, and we learn what is okay and not okay through where we live. If I was in East Texas, for instance, I may have more of a hankering for race-based humor than if I lived in Southern California. If you are able to pinpoint envionments where you either are receiving suicidal thoughts, or are having these thoughts supported, a break may be able to help with that.
3) Consult a fucking professional. I know I already said this but like man it's so important. Your friends are great and they can give advice but it can't compare to someone who is a neutral professional. And if they aren't working, do everything in your power to find another one, because professionals are all human and different people may work for you. You should not see a therapist as some sort of god that will solve all of your problems and is the devil if they don't, but rather a neutral party that is trained to help you through your situation to the best of their ability through their experience, knowledge, and education.
So that's sort of the first step. I can't force anyone to seek help but I can constantly give them the information they need to sort of seek help, and I personally am willing to assist people with finding the help they need, with my limited knowledge of the counseling world.
Going off what CDFA said, Eph I suggest you still allow dark humor in here but have a pinned thread on top basically saying you don't mind the shit, but also, since OT likes dark humor cake with a cherry on top, have the stuff CDFA said about seeking for help in case the person is actually in trouble.
Instead of just sticking it up there verbatim, it'd probably be best to go over it and revise it a bit. Not that I doubt CDFA's advice, but I think it'd be best to make sure we're covering everything.
I'm depressed but not suicidal.
Oh did not mean to imply verbatimcitremi wrote:
Instead of just sticking it up there verbatim, it'd probably be best to go over it and revise it a bit. Not that I doubt CDFA's advice, but I think it'd be best to make sure we're covering everything.
E m i
actually all of the potential mapper.abraker wrote:
half of the potential mapper base is in depression. that bird does nothingCDFA wrote:
Ephemeral is a licensed psychologist I think
This man knows his shit
The internet is so widespread now, it’s gotten harder to tell joking from seriousness somewhat, is it not?
I wouldn't say it's because the internet is widespreadDJ Enetro wrote:
The internet is so widespread now, it’s gotten harder to tell joking from seriousness somewhat, is it not?
Why do you think it’s harder to tell seriousness from joking then?
because when you talk over text like this, there's no emotion other than the words themselves, which might not even convey any kind of emotion either
face-to-face, you can tell from the look on their face maybe, but online there's no face to look at
it's almost robotic
face-to-face, you can tell from the look on their face maybe, but online there's no face to look at
it's almost robotic
To add onto what citremi said, it is possible to get a sense of emotion through writing like
this fucking dipshit shit word of fucking writing or
it's not like this writing is meant to trick your emotions or anything lol or
I'm not sure, but if this writing is expressing emotion, nvm or
I don't care what this makes you feel like just but you do you or
etc and so on
but it's not possible to get a real sense of the person's emotions writing those without seeing them face-to-face, like citremi said
It's easier to act online than in real life, and most of it is act for joking. Most, however.
this fucking dipshit shit word of fucking writing or
it's not like this writing is meant to trick your emotions or anything lol or
I'm not sure, but if this writing is expressing emotion, nvm or
I don't care what this makes you feel like just but you do you or
etc and so on
but it's not possible to get a real sense of the person's emotions writing those without seeing them face-to-face, like citremi said
It's easier to act online than in real life, and most of it is act for joking. Most, however.
you need add emotes (ﾉ´ヮ´)ﾉ: ･ﾟcitremi wrote:
because when you talk over text like this, there's no emotion other than the words themselves, which might not even convey any kind of emotion either
face-to-face, you can tell from the look on their face maybe, but online there's no face to look at
it's almost robotic
waaaaah that's saddening to hear :3Meah wrote:
OMG im so depressed, huhuhuhu
I dropped a 5 peso bill
abraker wrote:
Going off what CDFA said, Eph I suggest you still allow dark humor in here but have a pinned thread on top basically saying you don't mind the shit, but also, since OT likes dark humor cake with a cherry on top, have the stuff CDFA said about seeking for help in case the person is actually in trouble.
Can we come up with the actual points to post or are should I go back to circlejerking with CDFA?citremi wrote:
Instead of just sticking it up there verbatim, it'd probably be best to go over it and revise it a bit. Not that I doubt CDFA's advice, but I think it'd be best to make sure we're covering everything.
To be honest, everything that needs to be addressed has been posted well by each of you, especially on the second page.
(that and I don't have much to say regarding momi's disapproval of using professional therapist)
so it'd be better to just... lock? It's an announcement, after all. I don't see much of progression other than stating what has been stated.
One thing, anyway, that I'm open to listening if in any case someone just needs a pair of ears for it. I'd be glad that as a community we agree that we're supportive and will not consciously use one's depression as a shitpost material.
English is hard.
(that and I don't have much to say regarding momi's disapproval of using professional therapist)
so it'd be better to just... lock? It's an announcement, after all. I don't see much of progression other than stating what has been stated.
One thing, anyway, that I'm open to listening if in any case someone just needs a pair of ears for it. I'd be glad that as a community we agree that we're supportive and will not consciously use one's depression as a shitpost material.
English is hard.
O_OCDFA wrote:
gigantic wall of text nobody will read.
Shohei Ohtani
Seph
Sorry to hear about that (ok wf i sound like customer service) but then that whoever isnt a professional. That or the practice there isnt as good as I think it is, being a first world country and stuff.Momi wrote:
read opinions about them lolCDFA wrote:
1) Speak with a trained professional.
i have had horrible, nearly traumatizing experiences because my parents took me to whoever
Being a counselor/psychologist/psychiatrist isnt just something that people take up because it pays good, but rather, it pays when you help people with their stuff. I hope the next time you visit one you won't encounter the same uneasiness you probably felt before.
Also, trained professionals arent supposed to tell you what to do, but rather guide you to the steps on being okay. Anything else is a waste of time. And to everyone, being in the field of Psychology or not, lets be mindful of what we say or do, and be a helping hand to others who needs them.
I used to negative talk about myself about two years ago.
NOW IM PRETTY
But if anyone is sad I am here ily <3
NOW IM PRETTY
But if anyone is sad I am here ily <3
Ashton
Ephemeral wrote:
(serious thread)
there's been a frankly obscene level of self-depreciating or negative posts cropping up lately and i'm too old to fully fathom whether this is just some fad to be edgy and pretend to be hurting or whether people are legitimately hurting and just taking the opportunity to vent it in here (or maybe a bit of both)
while i don't wanna stifle stuff here, the level of "i'm gonna kill myself" and "my life is miserable and everything sucks" in this forum lately has exceeded any level that can be considered as "ironically amusing" by any standards, and i'm actually more than a little concerned about a few of you at this point
can we all universally agree to maybe tone back the self-dep and negging a little bit? being stupid and endearingly dumb is perfectly fine and well within the scope of OT but holy shit dudes, there's like five threads on the frontpage at the moment that are some variant of "i wanna die"
It’s important to note when he says it’s ok to be stupid he means stupid not to be stupid in a stupid way but stupid in a not stupid but still stupid way.
E m i
WAtCanadian Baka wrote:
Ephemeral wrote:
(serious thread)
there's been a frankly obscene level of self-depreciating or negative posts cropping up lately and i'm too old to fully fathom whether this is just some fad to be edgy and pretend to be hurting or whether people are legitimately hurting and just taking the opportunity to vent it in here (or maybe a bit of both)
while i don't wanna stifle stuff here, the level of "i'm gonna kill myself" and "my life is miserable and everything sucks" in this forum lately has exceeded any level that can be considered as "ironically amusing" by any standards, and i'm actually more than a little concerned about a few of you at this point
can we all universally agree to maybe tone back the self-dep and negging a little bit? being stupid and endearingly dumb is perfectly fine and well within the scope of OT but holy shit dudes, there's like five threads on the frontpage at the moment that are some variant of "i wanna die"
It’s important to note when he says it’s ok to be stupid he means stupid not to be stupid in a stupid way but stupid in a not stupid but still stupid way.