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Darkan996 wrote:

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Anything on the second to last paragraph?

abraker wrote:

So does this mean FL is overated? Yes and no. You should know that difficulty calculation is fucked as hell and very inaccurate at times. More so that star rating doesn't consider FL. Flat multiplier also doesn't do justice when you consider repetitive/technical map, which may need less effort to memorize than a more chaotic map with same star rating. I am always an advocate in abolishing the flat multipliers, but before that can be done, difficulty calc needs to get its shit together.
The whole reason we are having this argument in the first place is how out of wack scoring and difficulty calc is. I would start by fixing those, and you do that by examining how hard it is memorize a map- How many retries it will take would be difficulty. And compare that to how many retries a new player will need to memorize how to move finger and hand to aim and tap notes as basic skills needed for osu!. Compare that to how long it takes for a player to become efficient enough to do higher AR. And compare that to how long it will take for a player to lean how to FL a multi-hour map.
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abraker wrote:

The whole reason we are having this argument in the first place is how out of wack scoring and difficulty calc is. I would start by fixing those, and you do that by examining how hard it is memorize a map- How many retries it will take would be difficulty. And compare that to how many retries a new player will need to memorize how to move finger and hand to aim and tap notes as basic skills needed for osu!. Compare that to how long it takes for a player to become efficient enough to do higher AR. And compare that to how long it will take for a player to lean how to FL a multi-hour map.
Thats a cool idea.
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Why complain about FL and not HD, though.
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Rayne wrote:

Why complain about FL and not HD, though.
Im complaing about FL and HR hipocresy, not if HR, HD or FL are over or lowerated.
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A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????
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L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????
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Paper wrote:

L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????
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L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????
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Sundae wrote:

L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????
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u should take a look at scorev2 multipliers - the fl nerf u wanted is already planned! i believe under scorev2 fl only would give much less score than DT or HDHR, also HDFL would no longer be able to beat HDDT (i had a screenshot of all exact mod values but i can't find it)

as for the specifics, i don't think u should be talking about the exact numbers of multipliers or pp when you're an only-nomod player. please get a first place rank on a map and hold it for at least a week, because until then you wouldn't be able to appreciate the true difficulty of fl.

this is a nice post and you have an interesting idea - some aspects of which i can agree with - but sadly i don't think it's worth such a long post when you don't have much experience with what you're talking about
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Yes I definitely think 1 trick pony hddt scores should beat hdhrfl scores where people actually put effort into the score 8-)
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Darkan996 wrote:

I will make another post on how to kinda fix FL problem, I have think about it and the best option it's just delete it from the game, it's has a lot of controvensyal involved if you think heavely arround it.
u should consider with another mode

In Mania..

I need FL for reducing heavy notes appeared..
This mod help me to not panic when facing massive notes..

i think...
feature request means add new features. Not delete old features.
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edgerrdz wrote:

How do you post this and shoot 5 stars to this request? I don't get it.

CoffeeLatte- wrote:

u should consider with another mode

In Mania..

I need FL for reducing heavy notes appeared..
I'd like to think anything OP wants to do with FL would be specific to standard and not other gamemodes. If not, this is gonna burst into flames and be nuked even faster
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abraker wrote:

I'd like to think anything OP wants to do with FL would be specific to standard and not other gamemodes. If not, this is gonna burst into flames and be nuked even faster
i shitposting like the others do Im just replied his specific sentences and not agree with delete FL mod.
There are still have another ways rather than delete it from the game.
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L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????
Im not complaining about FL, not in this post at least. It's was just a comment with no arguments to argue in the hole other coment, i say why i think that should be eliminate it and a lot of stuff but i bet you and any other who paste this don't read the other coments. In that I explain miself, but the point of the comment wasnt complaing about FL, that's why don't have arguments supporting that. Idk that complaning about FL will make a lot of peaple salty LOL.

Dagresha wrote:

u should take a look at scorev2 multipliers - the fl nerf u wanted is already planned! i believe under scorev2 fl only would give much less score than DT or HDHR, also HDFL would no longer be able to beat HDDT (i had a screenshot of all exact mod values but i can't find it)

as for the specifics, i don't think u should be talking about the exact numbers of multipliers or pp when you're an only-nomod player. please get a first place rank on a map and hold it for at least a week, because until then you wouldn't be able to appreciate the true difficulty of fl.

this is a nice post and you have an interesting idea - some aspects of which i can agree with - but sadly i don't think it's worth such a long post when you don't have much experience with what you're talking about
Oh that's nice, idk that about scorev2. I really don't need to have much exp to say playing FL to say that the multp are wrong. I mean, or you make FL give more PP or you make HR give less or you change the multp it's not about playing or not the mod, it's just logic. I just expresed one form to do it, but you can fix this making FL give more PP than HR, becouse it's should, taking acount FL has a higher mulpt.

Jatie wrote:

Yes I definitely think 1 trick pony hddt scores should beat hdhrfl scores where people actually put effort into the score 8-)
This is probably sarcasm. So.. i don't say that in my post, HRHDFL plays will beat HDDT, check the mulpt that I suggest.

CoffeeLatte- wrote:

Darkan996 wrote:

I will make another post on how to kinda fix FL problem, I have think about it and the best option it's just delete it from the game, it's has a lot of controvensyal involved if you think heavely arround it.
u should consider with another mode

In Mania..

I need FL for reducing heavy notes appeared..
This mod help me to not panic when facing massive notes..

i think...
feature request means add new features. Not delete old features.
I was thinking only in Osu! standar, since that's why I play only, but I will take this into account now, thanks.
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Before I am going to ask if you're actually capable to understand the mods you put in critic, I'd suggest to put this stuff in Gameplay & Rankings in future. Yes, this is a thread about changing mods' calculation but this is by far more sensitive than changing the behaviour of a feature or to optimize utilities in the client.

Since this thread reads like something you usually find in the G&R forums it'd also be good involve people in this discussion who has experience with said mods. And by all honesty, I don't think you can provide enough experience to carry the complaint towards Flashlight mod.
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Sundae wrote:

L-a-m-e-y [ B ] wrote:

A person complaining about a mod what he has never truly played?????

Stefan wrote:

And by all honesty, I don't think you can provide enough experience to carry the complaint towards Flashlight mod.
very nice. :3
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Stefan wrote:

Before I am going to ask if you're actually capable to understand the mods you put in critic, I'd suggest to put this stuff in Gameplay & Rankings in future. Yes, this is a thread about changing mods' calculation but this is by far more sensitive than changing the behaviour of a feature or to optimize utilities in the client.

Since this thread reads like something you usually find in the G&R forums it'd also be good involve people in this discussion who has experience with said mods.
That was nice! I will check that out soon, thanks! Im think I am very capable to understand the mod at least for what im asking, its a hipocresy about this 2 mods, the thread isnt for talking if FL it's easy or not, that's another thing that comes for a missunderstand of the thread and a separede comment of it. You don't need a lot of experience with the mod if you are going to say that the multp of the mod it's wrong, comparing to other mods, that's base on the mulpt should be easier but the PP system dosen't think like that. It's an hipocresy, im not talking about the mod being easy or harder, not in the main thread at least.

Stefan wrote:

And by all honesty, I don't think you can provide enough experience to carry the complaint towards Flashlight mod.
The experience that I have with FL it's 0. But, even so, tell me why I need experience with FL when Im talking to change the mulpt of it?
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Darkan996 wrote:

The experience that I have with FL it's 0. But, even so, tell me why I need experience with FL when Im talking to change the mulpt of it?
just change your op to focus on how bad the multipliers are instead of focusing mod(s) which people accuse you for not having enough experience with. I know there is multiplier talk in there, but the slightest mention of talking what is easier and harder and who can do what like here:

This was only an introduction for the actual hipocresy, i mean, get an FC with FL it's easyer im some way that get an FC with HR, and that's is demostrated in the PP. FC with HR will give you more PP that FC with FL. A guy with hundreds of tries can FC a map with FL, but if the same guy dosen't have the skill to do it with HR he will never FC the song, that's why FL plays are easier in some way, a low level player can FC FL plays but not HR FC the same play, becouse he dosen't have skill.
is gonna attract eyes and will cause people profile check whoever wrote that. Obviously they see your profile and agree that your judgment of which player can do what makes sense for someone who has no experience with the thing at hand.
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