I can understand people saying it looks bad, but I can't understand people that don't understand what is the map following, its like so simple wtf.
I have trouble understanding what you are trying to make us understand the understanding.MaridiuS wrote:
I can understand people saying it looks bad, but I can't understand people that don't understand what is the map following, its like so simple wtf.
If all you people would actually criticize the map for all those errors that would be sweet as you might do something useful that way.Cloudchaser wrote:
Even if people says that it was made in 2011, not even the maps from that time were so inconsistent as this one. And not because it's too old we should justify bad mapping, for qualify, I mean.
Karen wrote:
qualified =/= ranked
i qualified this because i think it deserves a chance after i testplayed it, if you do think it's not suitable for being ranked, play it and explain why, stop shitplsting. ok i do agree that the shitposting needs to stop, but 80% of the posts are people asking how this even got through the process in the first place. There are now multiple mods, and I will be joining that after i post this.
for people who compare it with loved maps:
loved section is either for maps that no bns could judge or maps that contain unrankable patterms, this map doesnt fit i agree somewhat, but this map still needs a lot of work before it's even remotely ready imo.
As if it was of my business at all to actually mod this... But well, Another difficult could be done way much better. The intro, specially these parts 00:03:474 (6,7,8) - , 00:06:808 (2,3,4) - 00:08:308 (3,4,5) - just ignore the 1/4 beats but they use that rhythm here 00:10:474 (8,9) - (and it also has a ridiculous spacing too) and 00:12:807 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - as wellMaridiuS wrote:
If all you people would actually criticize the map for all those errors that would be sweet as you might do something useful that way.Cloudchaser wrote:
Even if people says that it was made in 2011, not even the maps from that time were so inconsistent as this one. And not because it's too old we should justify bad mapping, for qualify, I mean.
True. Let me explain few things. You found it funny after testplaying - that's great, that's 1st step, next you have to do it's to make sure it fits ranking standards -have reasonable playbility\spread\structure\proper hitsounding. On this step you could ask yourself if this beatmap structured well - it obviously lacks with randomly patterns\flow\transitions (lot of them mentioned already, even back then) pretending to be 2008 or whatever style, while as example actual "newmade old style" maps in ranked section don't. On third step you could ask yourself - hm I'm on probation period maybe that because I tend do something wrong with controversial stuff and ask for support\opinions before community apeshit on this.Karen wrote:
qualified =/= ranked
i qualified this because i think it deserves a chance after i testplayed it, if you do think it's not suitable for being ranked, play it and explain why, stop shitplsting.
for people who compare it with loved maps:
loved section is either for maps that no bns could judge or maps that contain unrankable patterms, this map doesnt fit
these aren't really valid mods, just saying you think the map is bad has no contribution to the improving the map, and there is nothing inherently wrong with overmapping either since mappers like skystar have made famous maps with this technique. So in some cases I can't quite agree that this map has been actually modded before if these are the kind of mods that have occurred.LowAccuracySS wrote:
Do I need to mod it? Oh, wait a minute. Whenever anybody mods it, small suggestions get fixed and major issues get a response like:
fair enough. gonna mod it in a second anyway :^)imbor wrote:
these aren't really valid mods, just saying you think the map is bad has no contribution to the improving the map, and there is nothing inherently wrong with overmapping either since mappers like skystar have made famous maps with this technique. So in some cases I can't quite agree that this map has been actually modded before if these are the kind of mods that have occurred.LowAccuracySS wrote:
Do I need to mod it? Oh, wait a minute. Whenever anybody mods it, small suggestions get fixed and major issues get a response like:
Saying just "no" , "It's my style", "it's not overmapped", it's not even close to be an excuse. The problem nowadays is that the mapper play defensive to criticism. In other hand, some BN are too mild respect to subjective aspects. So, in the end, technically for the mapper NOTHING IS WRONG, because it is the mapper's style. Where goes the modders opinion? where's the criteria? where goes the quality content?imbor wrote:
these aren't really valid mods, just saying you think the map is bad has no contribution to the improving the map, and there is nothing inherently wrong with overmapping either since mappers like skystar have made famous maps with this technique. So in some cases I can't quite agree that this map has been actually modded before if these are the kind of mods that have occurred.LowAccuracySS wrote:
Do I need to mod it? Oh, wait a minute. Whenever anybody mods it, small suggestions get fixed and major issues get a response like:
no they arent, wtf, ask toy or anyone involved with the loved section.Karen wrote:
for people who compare it with loved maps:
loved section is either for maps that no bns could judge or maps that contain unrankable patterms, this map doesnt fit
AyanokoRin wrote:
Do you guys realise that complaining about the map without bringing in any constructive criticism is completely useless ? If you do think there are issues with it, feel free to post a mod explaining why you don't think this map is fit for a ranking standard bringing in objective arguments for why the concept was not executed properly.
It's a really hard map to judge, though. You've been warned.
Before you guys post mod posts,please read the old pages of the topic,there are may the same mod of yours,and also Me&Charles445 responed them already,it's no need to answer again again and again,and now here is AM 5:55,I need to sleep first qwqKuron-kun wrote:
let's just wait for any response from either the QAT or soulfear, as me and Kin provided a lot of explanation about why we find some things questionable and how they should be properly fixed.
unnecessary comments won't help with positive feedback from both parts.
Or just answer them because who wants to read 20+ pages? Also, if things get mentioned over and over and over, don't you think it's time to change something? Just because a lot of time passed since the last qualification with no changes made after the disqualification it doesn't mean you can just try it again without doing anything at all, of course people will point out the same things again...soulfear wrote:
Before you guys post mod posts,please read the old pages of the topic,there are may the same mod of yours,and also Me&Charles445 responed them already,it's no need to answer again again and again,and now here is AM 5:55,I need to sleep first qwqKuron-kun wrote:
let's just wait for any response from either the QAT or soulfear, as me and Kin provided a lot of explanation about why we find some things questionable and how they should be properly fixed.
unnecessary comments won't help with positive feedback from both parts.
Read the whole topic is QAT&BN or good modder's work first right?Stjpa wrote:
Or just answer them because who wants to read 20+ pages? Also, if things get mentioned over and over and over, don't you think it's time to change something? Just because a lot of time passed since the last qualification with no changes made after the disqualification it doesn't mean you can just try it again without doing anything at all, of course people will point out the same things again...
I really don't want to sound mean since I'm legitimately not being snarky but I have no what you mean by thissoulfear wrote:
Read the whole topic is QAT&BN or good modder's work first right?Stjpa wrote:
Or just answer them because who wants to read 20+ pages? Also, if things get mentioned over and over and over, don't you think it's time to change something? Just because a lot of time passed since the last qualification with no changes made after the disqualification it doesn't mean you can just try it again without doing anything at all, of course people will point out the same things again...
Sorry,I maen,if any people don't like some parts but they're rankable,please read old pages,probably I or charles445 have responed them why I make them like that already,and also sorry about my poor English that I can't anwser them agian&again qwqCDFA wrote:
I really don't want to sound mean since I'm legitimately not being snarky but I have no what you mean by this
That's fine about your English that's why I wanted to clarify what you meant before people responded.soulfear wrote:
Sorry,I maen,if any people don't like some parts but they're rankable,please read old pages,probably I or charles445 have responed them why I make them like that already,and also sorry about my poor English that I can't anwser them agian&again qwqCDFA wrote:
I really don't want to sound mean since I'm legitimately not being snarky but I have no what you mean by this
The problem is with this attitude everyone could basically rank everything and just use excuses for literally everything. This game is a community-driven game so all you can do is changing what other people want to see changed, unless you manage to convince them with your explanations. If they keep questioning your ideas after explaining it to them then there is something wrong most likely. I for myself definitely wouldn't go back multiple pages just to check one out of many possible timestamps, which is understandable I suppose. But since you wanna go for Loved instead of Ranked (apparently) this discussion doesn't matter too much I guesssoulfear wrote:
Sorry,I maen,if any people don't like some parts but they're rankable,please read old pages,probably I or charles445 have responed them why I make them like that already,and also sorry about my poor English that I can't anwser them agian&again qwqCDFA wrote:
I really don't want to sound mean since I'm legitimately not being snarky but I have no what you mean by this
There are many examples of "community driven events" that are extremely prejudiced, this kind of argument is ridiculous. Can we please stick to properly modding this mapsetStjpa wrote:
The problem is with this attitude everyone could basically rank everything and just use excuses for literally everything. This game is a community-driven game so all you can do is changing what other people want to see changed, unless you manage to convince them with your explanations. If they keep questioning your ideas after explaining it to them then there is something wrong most likely. I for myself definitely wouldn't go back multiple pages just to check one out of many possible timestamps, which is understandable I suppose. But since you wanna go for Loved instead of Ranked (apparently) this discussion doesn't matter too much I guess
yeah, you need ~2 beats between the spinner and the following object on a diff of this level as said on the ranking criteriasdafsf wrote:
01:41:640 (1,1) - spinner recovery? in normal
lol if you say sliderend then how about my trash maps wwwMomi wrote:
this, those sliders are just for luck if you get a missed sliderend or not