I'm not a CTB player, but I think it would be better if the conversion system was reworked instead to prevent it from creating unplayable patterns. It's way too broken atm.
MillhioreF wrote:
A few things I'm still surprised about in Sayaka difficulty.
00:42:474 (7) - How does this make any sense? Not only is there no musical cue for such a sudden jump, but the flow coming onto it is completely backwards, and it feels like something you'd see in a TAG4 map.
I made this from what I feel when I playing this bms by controller,it's not so hard,like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/38966 00:56:207 (1) -
00:53:808 (11) - The spacing is noticeably off here compared to the rest of the stream, it should be one grid lower on grid4.
Fixed
00:57:558 (1,2) - The slider velocity here doubles with completely no warning, unless you're able to read the approach circles of the next sliders and see that they're slightly more dense. I know this kind of stuff happens all the time in older maps, but that doesn't make it magically readable.
It's easy to get them,don't want to change it
01:16:974 (4,5,1) - The overlapping here is ugly as sin. I mean, I guess it flows well, so it doesn't need to be changed, but it still makes me barf to look at.
01:50:141 (1) - The end of this slider is actually outside the grid by one or two osupixels. Pretty sure that's unrankable.
Fixed
01:50:141 (1,1,1) - This feels really horrible to play with the way you keep having to snap back. Could just be me, but I just can't get behind it.
There's plenty more stylistic choices that I don't really like (as well as really janky distance spacing on most streams due to grid snapping) but most of them are excusable as a relic of the time. Someone should really check that one slider though, at the very least.
I can't get why some people keep justifying this. Beatmap can perfectly stay in non ranked status and people who want to play 2010 style maps will still get their joy. Why you need to force this to ranked, to cause more dramas?Shiro wrote:
let this get ranked and let players decide whether or not this is good ?
I'm not entirely convinced with the 5/4 at 01:21:307 - .ziin wrote:
Please please please please fix the time signature this time.
Well yeah. Luckily there are only a few badly converted pattern and these can be avoided if someone just put auto on and play it on CtB before qualify. There is no need to rework something if it can be done on easier way imo. And by the way, maybe there will be worst patterns after the system fix than before, like at the pixel jumps. Now we have HDash (in rare cases) on the first beat of a "hold" note (good example: Big Black).Default wrote:
I'm not a CTB player, but I think it would be better if the conversion system was reworked instead to prevent it from creating unplayable patterns. It's way too broken atm.
So if a map can't be fc'd in another mode than that is irrelevant? lfmo Yes, we have a broken system but don't you think there is always a possibility to change it? Cases like this are really rare and as I said already, it can be handled easily with turn x a little or shorten y a bit.Lach wrote:
Converts are irrelevant for modes other than the one they are intended for. If one map does not convert well, that's unfortunate, but it matters not.
1) Because scoreboard motivates people to play mapsSieg wrote:
I can't get why some people keep justifying this. Beatmap can perfectly stay in non;. Why you need to force this to ranked, to cause more dramas?
I checked the two BMS (the -WITCH- version and the original version) and it indicates that it's 5/4 and not only a timing signature reset, as you can see here:Charles445 wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced with the 5/4 at 01:21:307 - .ziin wrote:
Please please please please fix the time signature this time.
WITCH is just a diff name,this song didn't have been arranged or remixed so it's still original song,do you know what is sabun?Sayaka- wrote:
so um
well I think we can say that the song is "arranged" since it's a bit different from the original version (looking at the voice samples and intro)soulfear wrote:
WITCH is just a diff name,this song didn't have been arranged or remixed so it's still original song,do you know what is sabun?Sayaka- wrote:
so um
Stop comparing this to old maps. This doesn't feel like an old map. Old maps play differently because they don't abuse the shit out of the song to make it "artistic", they just do what the song tells (and they barely ever go over 5 stars because of that). This isn't old mapping.joolomasta wrote:
This map brings back vibes from older maps, and even though all people might not appreciate the oldschool mapping style, this map shouldn't be judged by it's style only. There are indeed some weird choices that should maybe get revised, but please don't try to squash every single map into the same mold.
HahaKurokami wrote:
01:54:974 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,1,1,1) - Charles forgot how to map. \o/ /me runs
Check unsnapped objects, when i select an object i just have this feeling.Thanks for the mods!
Did a recheck with a diagnostic program http://puu.sh/hs0Ft/4e045d0daa.png oh no 5 unsnapped, fixed. Now it looks like this http://puu.sh/hs0J6/7684a186ca.png
00:08:808 (1,2,3) - Something minor but, make a better equilateral triangle here to give a better impression.
Fixed and others that were the same triangle
00:30:308 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - Here this stream follows both different sounds, and this can work well. But i don't really think that it is a good idea for a soft Insane concerning note density. I'd say ok if it is supposed to be a Insane diff, not a soft Insane diff. You should follow what you can hear the most, so the piano, if you really want to keep these ticks 00:30:641 (1,2,3) - followed, it could be nice if you use a 1/4 reversed slider instead.
This stream is meant to fit with the rest of the set more, as it is the 7 length stream that caused a little bit of confusion earlier. Its purpose is to bridge the gap between the piano into the next instrument like you said. Yes it's a tad long this early on into the map but I think people can handle it.
01:44:307 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - This is way more difficult than 01:46:974 (1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2) - and it could be better if you make them more balanced. These jumps 01:44:307 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - are a little difficult to handle because the sliders are horizontal and and transition between them is nice but the player needs much aim. And about 01:46:974 (1,2,3,1,1,2,3,1,1,2) - there is a closer angle between each combos and this pattern is more comfortable and easier to play.
ooooooo good point. Changed the circle jumps to both be 2.7x
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You can see the timing bars in the video:Charles445 wrote:
I'm not entirely convinced with the 5/4 at 01:21:307 - .ziin wrote:
Please please please please fix the time signature this time.
It's clearly there to bridge the double signatures at 01:21:307 - and 01:21:640 - , which would make sense, but to be honest it sounds like the song is deliberately stopping in place for a moment.
The only new beats introduced past 01:21:307 - is the attack of a beat that lands at 01:21:641 - .
I'm pretty sure that it's simply a reset, not 5/4 there, which is what the sections are now.
#06701:OH0000000000000000000000000000000000O400O500O600O7O8O9OAOB000000OC00OD00OE00OF00#06702:1.25 means that it's 5/4, aka 1.25 * 4/4. The 6/4 measures all have #***02:1.5
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Don't compare with Azul,Azul and Azul remix are obviously two different songs,I don't think you play BMSSayaka- wrote:
well I think we can say that the song is "arranged" since it's a bit different from the original version (looking at the voice samples and intro)
it's the same case as Azul, but why did the celas version (which is only a rearrangement of existing samples and a sabun as you say) got a "Remix" in his title then?
I do play BMS so *cough*soulfear wrote:
Don't compare with Azul,Azul and Azul remix are obviously two different songs,I don't think you play BMSSayaka- wrote:
well I think we can say that the song is "arranged" since it's a bit different from the original version (looking at the voice samples and intro)
it's the same case as Azul, but why did the celas version (which is only a rearrangement of existing samples and a sabun as you say) got a "Remix" in his title then?
<> - - is just diff names
http://puu.sh/hss0B/31ea3c1ac4.jpg
The title is アズール リミックス(Azul Remix)
When you play it
http://puu.sh/hss75/1b5330b6d5.jpg
http://puu.sh/hss8c/ee33c05651.png
And this is Sayaka
http://puu.sh/hsrPY/d1b228d2c9.jpg
When you play it
http://puu.sh/hss4n/9736a481e1.jpg
http://puu.sh/hsrX5/d6d492758b.png
Witch is just a diff name
Don't talk about the title anymore if you don't know BMS's metadata
I won't explain this anymore!!!
Sorry for thatSayaka- wrote:
I do play BMS so *cough*
Also you don't need to be so rude, I was just trying to help
Fixed a lot of them,and remapped some Normal's partsKurokami wrote:
A quick check because requested and I like the song. o/
[Normal]
00:03:308 (2,3) - Swap these on timeline please. It will follow the music better since the big white tick needs to be highlighted.
00:11:641 (2) - You should try to divide this into circle+slider.
00:19:641 (2) - ^
00:23:308 (6) - Make this slider completely vertical to make the flow better.
00:33:308 (1,2,3) - The flow here is a little bit weird. Try something like this: http://puu.sh/hrdj6/e413137e5b.png
00:49:974 (3,4,1) - The overlaps here looks a little bit awful. Try to move the notes a bit so there will be no overlap. (4) to x:280 y:28 (1) to x:104 y:228 for example.
I wonder why these two part mapped differently on timeline: 01:22:974 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) and 01:33:641 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,1,2,1,2,3,4,1). o.o They do sounds the same so the mapping should be as well. And by the way, even if the timeline repeats, you can do different patterns so it won't be noticeable.
01:22:974 (2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - Try something like this instead to follow the music better: http://puu.sh/hrdYb/0c2b781099.png Also, I tried to copy it later and works great so I think you should try it as well. Using red tick many times can be hard for beginner players.
01:28:308 (1,2,3,4) - How about using the same rhythm here as at 01:38:974 (1,2,3)?
01:41:474 (1) - Remove this note its not really necessary to have it.
I'm not sure why the star rating is high. It plays just fine and can be called as Normal imo. o.o
[Hard]
00:20:808 (6,8) - Remove these. Though its easy to play, they are not really necessary to have.
00:22:474 (3) - Same with this.
00:28:641 (4,5,6) - Try this instead: http://puu.sh/hrejS/f846739e8e.png
01:00:974 (7) - Remove the repeat and just add a circle to that big white tick.
01:22:974 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6) - Now, when you have a chance to use harder rhythm, you just forgot how to do it. Please, use the red ticks as well since they are contains useful sounds and they can be mapped at this level. Not much but here is a little example: http://puu.sh/hreEi/1861d35b43.png
01:33:641 (3,4,1,2,3,1,2,3) - If you applied the previous one, please do something here as well.
01:48:974 (5,6) - Same pattern as at 01:46:308 (1,2,3,4) would be nice imo.
[Hyper]
01:54:974 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,1,1,1,1) - Charles forgot how to map. \o/ /me runs
Seems fine to me though I'm not really experienced in standard so I maybe overlook something.
[]
Good luck~
I think the last timing offset is 82974Charles445 wrote:
I see the bms signatures now, that's really interesting.
Okay, so this will be the new timing then for soulfear http://puu.sh/hrZTj/163b6b5c6b.png
Some objects will need to be snapping fixed (because 1ms differences)
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Some BNs are not idiot.HolyNightmare wrote:
pls dont keep this graveyard ;-;
that map is a masterpiece D:
and the song is just beautiful ;-;
Kvantuma Rozo wrote:
Some BNs are not idiot.