There's a certain amount of healthiness in "I want to be prettier for my other half", but that's taking it too far heh.
You know I once told Firo that brown hair and curly hair were not my favorites, it did not go well. If you're curious, favorite is black straight hair, bonus points if an unnatural color or black with pink highlights/streaks.failboat wrote:
What i mainly want is to get into his head that if your looks doesn't go with ones preference, then that does not in any way mean that you are ugly.
Don't know what world you live in buddy, but being overweight isn't attractive at all. Anyone that says looks don't matter are in serious denial. Then again I guess that's their defense mechanism of coping with their own looks. Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.Shiirn wrote:
It's natural for certain types of body styles to garner sexual attention more than others - however, humanity has evolved to the point where these instinctive hormonal cues are no longer enough to truly desire another person as a long-term mate. You can also attribute social pressures, both telling people that "you should want to bone / be boned by THIS type of person" AND "personality is more important than a nice ass".
Things like this are utterly contradictive, so confusion is natural. It's up to the person in question as to whether they will follow certain social cues or not.
Clearly, your friend is too stuck up on the "looks make the person" side, to the point that his personality is also being affected.
Being told you are appealing means nothing if you don't believe it yourself, so what he needs is...well, he needs to find that.
I for one hate how tall and large i am, but apparently that's something that a lot of people like in a man. I'll let the social cue for that go since it's not being negative to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Beautiful_WomanNeverDie wrote:
being overweight isn't attractive at all.
I'd like to see hot guys going out with fat chicks. Ugly people will go out with ugly people, and good looking people will go out with good looking people. Bird of a feather, flock together. Sure there's some exceptions, kind of like how some polar bears have mated with grizzly bears, but those are nothing more than just that, exceptions, and will never be the norm. It's evolution's way of weeding out weak and bad genetics and promoting only the best in the long run.Vext wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Beautiful_WomanNeverDie wrote:
being overweight isn't attractive at all.
The importance of being physically fit of course are not logically needed too much in this day and age, but evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years. It does not change the fact we still feel great sexual urges for someone that's fit over someone that isn't. That's not going to change for thousands of years to come. But I understand that you're trying to find ways to justify it all, but sadly that just isn't reality. And I remember how you told me your height and body weight. You're over 50 pounds overweight. Last time I checked, that's a lot of fat to be carrying around.Shiirn wrote:
Just saying, i think Darwin was thrown out the window when a handful of human beings built an atomic bomb. Scales kind of tipped ever since we started burning coal and charged a bundle of copper wires from a rotating water mill, it's no longer survival of the fittest. Humanity isn't based off of "who can run fastest" or "who can hit the hardest" anymore - heck, we've actually reverted those practices into sport rather than serious living.
As such, while obesity and other health issues surely do exist, and social standing despises it, it remains at the source simply instinctive. It's "bad" and all, but I hardly see any reason to consider yourself better than someone less healthy than you when they're just as likely to be smarter or "make up for" it in other ways.
You seem to be under the impression that being able to bench-press your own weight will save you from a financial crisis - it won't.
I'm not going to argue with you specifically about this, neverdie - since you're under the impression i'm severely overweight (have you seen me?)
@Ephemeral: appearances, while being secondary or tertiary, are also rather important as more often than not it shows how much a person cares for their own body (or, conversely, does not care about who they are on the inside if they over-do it [cough, we all know a person like this]) which is a rather important part of a person's psyche.
Can't agree with that one either, Firo is beautiful and I'm nothing special.NeverDie wrote:
Ugly people will go out with ugly people, and good looking people will go out with good looking people. Bird of a feather, flock together.
Shush. That's not true.Vext wrote:
Can't agree with that one either, Firo is beautiful and I'm nothing special.NeverDie wrote:
Ugly people will go out with ugly people, and good looking people will go out with good looking people. Bird of a feather, flock together.
I like the same kind of men as you~ My dream man is someone who is calm, intelligent, cocky, witty, optimistic and caring. I prefer some sort of muscular build and I don't really like skinny men unless they're short and cute. They usually need to have nice hair and they can't be feminine because I don't find femininity attractive. I like some arm hair and some leg hair. Skin isn't a huge issue for me, but there is a limit for how much I can take. I don't like curly hair though.YellowerYoshi wrote:
I definitely am into the brawnier guys. Not huge muscle heads or anything... bigger guys that have a little definition. Also a nice gut is glorious for me. My tastes would be considered far out of "the norm" to mainstream society, in part because I like dudes and in part because my tastes aren't "hunky guys with no fat and huge pecs" like you usually see in the media.
Honestly, a little chubby is incredibly attractive to me.
Attractiveness is subjective. Clearly you didn't see my post about my own attractions, because in my eye a little fat is definitely attractive. I don't know where you got the idea that attraction is one global idea. You are only stating what is or isn't attractive to you. Everyone has a different idea of what they like, lumping everything together molded into your opinion is a little ignorant.NeverDie wrote:
Don't know what world you live in buddy, but being overweight isn't attractive at all. Anyone that says looks don't matter are in serious denial. Then again I guess that's their defense mechanism of coping with their own looks. Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.Shiirn wrote:
It's natural for certain types of body styles to garner sexual attention more than others - however, humanity has evolved to the point where these instinctive hormonal cues are no longer enough to truly desire another person as a long-term mate. You can also attribute social pressures, both telling people that "you should want to bone / be boned by THIS type of person" AND "personality is more important than a nice ass".
Things like this are utterly contradictive, so confusion is natural. It's up to the person in question as to whether they will follow certain social cues or not.
Clearly, your friend is too stuck up on the "looks make the person" side, to the point that his personality is also being affected.
Being told you are appealing means nothing if you don't believe it yourself, so what he needs is...well, he needs to find that.
I for one hate how tall and large i am, but apparently that's something that a lot of people like in a man. I'll let the social cue for that go since it's not being negative to me.
My statement still applies based on the simple fact you wouldn't go for someone 100 pounds overweight. I'm still right because any girl will obviously prefer a great body with nice muscles over one that has 25+ pounds of extra fat. Just because you'll settle for less doesn't change anything. Different people have different standards and what you settle for says a lot about you to everyone.YellowerYoshi wrote:
Attractiveness is subjective. Clearly you didn't see my post about my own attractions, because in my eye a little fat is definitely attractive. I don't know where you got the idea that attraction is one global idea. You are only stating what is or isn't attractive to you. Everyone has a different idea of what they like, lumping everything together molded into your opinion is a little ignorant.
I agree with this entire sentiment here. Should looks truly matter as long as they are still the person you fell in love with?Ephemeral wrote:
in my experience appearances are ultimately secondary or tertiary to other traits in a prospective partner. you simply don't care about the little things when you find a person you really like.
Statements like this are quite annoying. Emphasizing the points I will be addressing the most. Oh wait, that's most of your statement right there. I'll go piece by piece, to avoid confusion.NeverDie wrote:
Don't know what world you live in buddy, but being overweight isn't attractive at all. Anyone that says looks don't matter are in serious denial. Then again I guess that's their defense mechanism of coping with their own looks. Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.
Anyone that says looks don't matter are in serious denial.What about asexuals? Would you claim that asexuality is a conscious denial of these urges or is it truly something that cannot be helped?
Then again I guess that's their defense mechanism of coping with their own looks.It's people like you that cause situation like the OP's friend, you're the enablers. It makes them believe that unless they reach this extremely high standard, regardless of body type and metabolism, that they look absolutely awful.
Going out with fat people is like rewarding bad behavior. Shows that you don't care even for your own health, and that's not very attractive.Do you understand how the human body works? Or the fact that there are different body types and metabolism rates?
I know several women who are not attracted to muscles. I know quite a lot who love the skinny scrawny nerd as well. For myself, I would rather they be overweight than underweight. Also I like how you forget that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and changes every day. Years ago the ridiculously large booty was standard as the utmost sexiness. Before that they thought being fat was attractive, not overweight, fat. Find another country and those long droopy earlobes get you so much booty. The fact that your opinion on beauty is so stereotypical and bland without acknowledging that not all men love huge boobies on blonds with super model bodies, and not all women love tall muscle-bound men says volumes about your maturity. You have my pity good sir.NeverDie wrote:
My statement still applies based on the simple fact you wouldn't go for someone 100 pounds overweight. I'm still right because any girl will obviously prefer a great body with nice muscles over one that has 25+ pounds of extra fat. Just because you'll settle for less doesn't change anything. Different people have different standards and what you settle for says a lot about you to everyone.
Haha, you earn cool points. You're the second person that I've run into with my tastes. <3animask wrote:
I like the same kind of men as you~ My dream man is someone who is calm, intelligent, cocky, witty, optimistic and caring. I prefer some sort of muscular build and I don't really like skinny men unless they're short and cute. They usually need to have nice hair and they can't be feminine because I don't find femininity attractive. I like some arm hair and some leg hair. Skin isn't a huge issue for me, but there is a limit for how much I can take. I don't like curly hair though.
Who said I wouldn't go for guys 100 pounds overweight? I find a gut extremely attractive. As for what girls want... haven't you heard of chubby chasers?NeverDie wrote:
My statement still applies based on the simple fact you wouldn't go for someone 100 pounds overweight. I'm still right because any girl will obviously prefer a great body with nice muscles over one that has 25+ pounds of extra fat. Just because you'll settle for less doesn't change anything. Different people have different standards and what you settle for says a lot about you to everyone.
Firo Prochainezo wrote:
ITT: Describe your ideal woman/man
;_;Vext wrote:
Firo Prochainezo wrote:
ITT: Describe your ideal woman/man
Perfection.
The moustache really brings out her eyes.Vext wrote:
Firo Prochainezo wrote:
ITT: Describe your ideal woman/man
Perfection.
i think a lot of girls would prefer me to you even though I'm somewhat overweight just because you have tits and you look like you tan to the point of wannabe guido. also you seem like a major douche.NeverDie wrote:
My statement still applies based on the simple fact you wouldn't go for someone 100 pounds overweight. I'm still right because any girl will obviously prefer a great body with nice muscles over one that has 25+ pounds of extra fat. Just because you'll settle for less doesn't change anything. Different people have different standards and what you settle for says a lot about you to everyone.YellowerYoshi wrote:
Attractiveness is subjective. Clearly you didn't see my post about my own attractions, because in my eye a little fat is definitely attractive. I don't know where you got the idea that attraction is one global idea. You are only stating what is or isn't attractive to you. Everyone has a different idea of what they like, lumping everything together molded into your opinion is a little ignorant.
What a goddamn asshole, seriously. How old are you again?NeverDie wrote:
I'm still right because any girl will obviously prefer a great body with nice muscles over one that has 25+ pounds of extra fat. Just because you'll settle for less doesn't change anything. Different people have different standards and what you settle for says a lot about you to everyone.
It is true, in fact, that everybody has their own taste for what they think a "good or bad looking person is", what it is slightly different is the common taste from a % people, let's call it statistics. Since, we can't make an statistics for obviously reason, we can just "cheer him up" by telling our own taste or giving him some "tips". This is my own opinion, when socializing he should really take in consideration that almost all the people think about you like this: 1) First impression 2) Appearance 3) Personality 4) Other shits. <-- This order can vary.failboat wrote:
So basically, tell me your opinion of what an appealing or "not bad looking" person is, and you most likely by now understand what I'm on about. I just want him to know that he should stop being so immature and listen to what people have to say. Most people dislike their own looks in one way or another, but what might be unappealing to you can just as well be very much appealing to someone else.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Shellghost wrote:
Everyone is ugly and deluded.
I'm ugly. I make myself think that I am average looking through observational comparison and self serving compromise.
"Beautiful" people are ugly. People have instinctive influence in their preference for other people's appearance such as fitness and strength, however most of this has been overcome with media advertising and peer pressure basically telling us what we should think is attractive and placing those people on a higher social status than others. It can be easily presumed that this is where your friend's self loathing originates from.
You all know this, you knew what I was going to say as you were reading it, but we seem to have trouble retaining the idea outside of discussion.
5/5foulcoon wrote:
i think a lot of girls would prefer me to you even though I'm somewhat overweight just because you have tits and you look like you tan to the point of wannabe guido. also you seem like a major douche.
Asked for in the OP.hoihoisoi wrote:
Frankly, how did this discussion turn from talking about failboat's friend's prob to what kind of person do you find attractive......I mean, just wondering, seems kinda derailed a wee bit.
I didn't see that. Sorry, I'm blur very often......failboat wrote:
Asked for in the OP.hoihoisoi wrote:
Frankly, how did this discussion turn from talking about failboat's friend's prob to what kind of person do you find attractive......I mean, just wondering, seems kinda derailed a wee bit.
Not implying that there is anything wrong with what you wrote, just posting to let you and the rest know that it is on topic.