Mio Winter wrote:

I use PP as an indicator of skill of other osu!players all the time. If a player on the forums asks "why can't I stream above 1 bpm?" I take a quick look at their profile before I reply. If it says they are 6k PP or something, then I respond very differently than if it says 1k PP. If it says 6k PP, I think "huh, that's weird that they can't stream above 1 bpm even with that level of skill; maybe there's something wrong with their hand?" whereas I would just tell the 1k PP person to stream more.

But I also see a stronger form of the PP-judgment, and that's how low-PP players are generally treated with much less respect on the forums than higher-PP players. Making PP a better indicator of skill won't really solve this problem, it will just guide the disrespect more reliably towards players who are bad at playing. If anything, making PP a better indicator of skill will worsen the problem.

repr1se wrote:

personally i couldn't care what someone's rank is (provided they're looking for help and not just shitposting)

Mio Winter wrote:

How do you define "shitposting"?

Mio Winter wrote:

How do you define "shitposting"?

repr1se wrote:

Mio Winter wrote:

How do you define "shitposting"?

(1) "what's the secret to being like [insert player here]?"
(2) "what is cookiezi's tablet area?"
(3) "i started playing this game 4 days ago and can't pass freedom dive"
(4) "2k PP you're trash player"
(5) "do i have rsi?"
(6) "filthy dt pp farmers"
(7) "i never play tv size maps and they should be worth no pp"
(8) "stop caring about your pp... but you should be gaining ranks"
(9) "how do i pass this map?"
(10) "change the pp system so what i'm good at is weighed more"

examples.

Emersyne wrote:

Maybe these questions are endlessly asked because we have failed to make the answers accessible enough.

I have been thinking for a while about writing a FAQ for the subforum, one that is more complete and better written than the ones currently available.

Mio Winter wrote:

At least 1, 2, 3, 5, 9 (especially 5) all seem like legitimate questions that have some probability of receiving good answers when asked in the forums, so it's rational to post the questions. Why do you think people shouldn't post these questions?

(I ask because I worry that people are being attacked for "shitposting" even when their posts are fine by my standards.)

Emersyne wrote:

Maybe these questions are endlessly asked because we have failed to make the answers accessible enough.

I have been thinking for a while about writing a FAQ for the subforum, one that is more complete and better written than the ones currently available.

repr1se wrote:

Mio Winter wrote:

At least 1, 2, 3, 5, 9 (especially 5) all seem like legitimate questions that have some probability of receiving good answers when asked in the forums, so it's rational to post the questions. Why do you think people shouldn't post these questions?

(I ask because I worry that people are being attacked for "shitposting" even when their posts are fine by my standards.)

i respectfully disagree.

1) there's no secret, just practice. specific questions about practice (for example "what are good stream maps") aren't shitposts... but there's no real answer other than "keep practicing if you want to be [insert osu player here]". with the number of people asking this question, it's a shitpost
2) if someone wasn't trying to copy cookiezi or [insert osu player here] they wouldn't ask -- and none of us know.
3) no one becomes an olympian after 4 days, it's absurd to expect to pass [insert 7 star map here]
5) no one here is a doctor, if it hurts then stop. pretty common sense imo
9) get better? don't let hp drop to 0? there's no way i could possibly give an answer to a question like that. specific questions like "how do you deconstruct squares into two pairs of jumps" is a meaningful question, and one i can answer.

Mio Winter wrote:

But people asking don't already know whether you are able to answer or not. If they already knew that no one could provide them with a good answer, they wouldn't ask, so asking is a good way of finding out that no one knows the answer. Imagine a teacher, upon being asked a question by a student, replying "I don't know the answer, therefore the question is stupid and you shouldn't have asked it."

repr1se wrote:

Mio Winter wrote:

How do you define "shitposting"?

"what's the secret to being like [insert player here]?"
"what is cookiezi's tablet area?"
"i started playing this game 4 days ago and can't pass freedom dive"
"2k PP you're trash player"
"do i have rsi?"
"filthy dt pp farmers"
"i never play tv size maps and they should be worth no pp"
"stop caring about your pp... but you should be gaining ranks"
"how do i pass this map?"
"change the pp system so what i'm good at is weighed more"

examples.

Mio Winter wrote:

Making PP a better indicator of skill won't really solve this problem, it will just guide the disrespect more reliably towards players who are bad at playing. If anything, making PP a better indicator of skill will worsen the problem.

N0thingSpecial wrote:

I am shit posting.

Mio Winter wrote:

Making PP a better indicator of skill won't really solve this problem, it will just guide the disrespect more reliably towards players who are bad at playing. If anything, making PP a better indicator of skill will worsen the problem.

Making Asians do more stereotypical Asian things will just guide the racism more towards Asians, not because people are racist

B1rd wrote:

Agreed, I hate Asians too.

chainpullz wrote:

Osu is a rhythm game (a game where a player's intended inputs are precisely determined by the rhythm of a song) therefore accuracy in regards to rhythm should be the most important factor.

Note that this argument is not at all circular and that you and your provided example arguments all suffer from extremely imprecise definitions. Note that the above argument does not as accuracy and precision are two completely unrelated things that are commonly sought in tandem with each other.

B1rd wrote:

It's putting the cart before the horse; it is not defined by its label, its label is defined by it. The term "rhythm game" is just a description that helps identify a game of a broad genre by similarities, it's primary function is to categorise games, not define their gameplay. I could easily identify all "rhythm games" as "finger stamina games" and argue that that label justified more in-game focus on stamina. You can see how only stupid people use that argument.

repr1se wrote:

OT: there's a reason people have to refer posters to the FAQ... because no one reads the FAQ

Emersyne wrote:

repr1se wrote:

OT: there's a reason people have to refer posters to the FAQ... because no one reads the FAQ

I feel like the reason that nobody reads the FAQs are not because they are devoid of info, but because they are long as fuck, poorly written and boring as hell to read.

t/187364

Like, seriously. If you wanted help with something, would you want to read through all this long winded childish rambling in the hope of gaining a few nuggets of info, especially if you are not fluent in English? You could condense all the information in this mess to a document that is a tenth of the length and lose nothing of value.

N0thingSpecial wrote:

You could rewrite the FAQ, but you’ll still get the same guy with no ability of self evaluation asking the same fruitless questions, you can’t blame an inanimate object for people’s laziness lol