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Remus
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Joined July 2015
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Remus

Protonori wrote:

From my modding queue~

01:46:269 (369) - d? The piano is still ascending, so I don't think you should use the same object for 01:45:969 (368,369,370). nice catch
02:34:344 (294) - d? In the previous stream, you changed the # of kats to match the piano. i made kk in the streams for emphasizing it and follow this concept almost all the map, so i guess this one i'll keep as it is now
02:50:019 (471) - d to emphasize the piano at 02:50:094 (472)? it starts right on the 471 x)
02:52:344 (498) - The piano is descending, so I think you should use d here. i'll wait for other modders to deal with that places all over the map,
but i'll keep your suggestion in mind
02:57:969 (560) - Move to 02:58:044? I think doubles would work well here. 02:58:044 - i would, but there is no sound right here :(
03:10:194 (693,694,695,696,697) - kkdkd? It flows better imo, and it still follows the piano. 03:10:194 (693) - changed this one btw
03:18:819 (792,793) - dd, to emphasize 03:18:969 (794,795)? right
03:27:369 (842) - k? The piano is mostly audible again, so I think you should add some variety. i'll keep it as it is, but if someone will suggest the same thing - i'll change
03:29:769 (844) - ^
03:32:169 (849) - ^
04:57:594 - Listening at 50% playback, I don't think 195 bpm is correct. 186 bpm seems to be more accurate, and it's used in the ranked standard map sure.

Good stream map. Good luck with ranking this! :) thanks
Thank you so much owo
I'll mod yours after passing my exams x)
iloveyou4ever
825 posts
Joined September 2014
iloveyou4ever
irc mod about patterns choices and sv
20:32 Remus: Hello owo
20:32 Remus: Don't you need M4M?
20:33 iloveyou4ever: oh I want to talk you also lul
20:34 Remus: Oh?
20:34 iloveyou4ever: emm no need because I am too lazy to handle mapset zz
20:34 iloveyou4ever: your map is very good owo
20:34 Remus: Oh, thank you so much x)
20:35 iloveyou4ever: forgot to rate lol...
20:35 iloveyou4ever: btw you need m4m?
20:35 Remus: It's ok :D
20:35 Remus: Ye
20:35 Remus: On ascension to heaven
20:35 iloveyou4ever: oh I heard of that map from somewhere else XD
20:36 iloveyou4ever: your map
20:36 Remus: D:
20:36 Remus: Where? D:
20:36 iloveyou4ever: forgot...maybe let me testplay once first
20:36 Remus: Sure
20:42 iloveyou4ever: computer lags lol
20:42 Remus: So much of complex patterns i guess :D
20:42 iloveyou4ever: idk why pause
20:42 Remus: Oh wow
20:42 iloveyou4ever: fuck what're the notes
20:44 iloveyou4ever: sv could be smoother
20:44 Remus: Yeah, i thought about that
20:44 Remus: But idk how to make them smoother
20:44 Remus: I guess 1.2 for 200 bpm is too high
20:44 iloveyou4ever: 02:44:169 - maybe add 1.16x,1.17x before 1.2x
20:44 Remus: Or maybe make transition smoother?
20:44 iloveyou4ever: 1.2x is ok to me,just make transition smoother yes
20:45 Remus: Make 1.16 right here or on the beginning of stream
20:45 Remus: 02:43:419 (393) - here
20:45 iloveyou4ever: yeah maybe 1.155x,1.160x,1.165x sth like this
20:46 iloveyou4ever: 03:22:569 - and the calm part has so many d
20:46 Remus: Oh wow, i can make it more than 2 digits after dot? D:
20:46 iloveyou4ever: 03:27:369 - maybe change this to k
20:46 iloveyou4ever: yeah
20:46 Remus: hm, kat will suit, right
20:46 iloveyou4ever: in-game it shows 2 decimal places,but in notepad there're differences
20:46 Remus: Fixed it
20:47 Remus: Got it
20:47 iloveyou4ever: 03:31:569 (847,848) - change these to k OR 03:32:169 - change this to k
20:47 iloveyou4ever: a bit odd to have d d d d d here
20:47 Remus: I think those two better then
20:48 Remus: because 4 dons are a bit different in tonality
20:48 iloveyou4ever: 04:03:069 - change this to k
20:49 iloveyou4ever: as you put k at 04:02:619 (23) - here
20:49 iloveyou4ever: or maybe you could keep it for emphasizing purpose?
20:49 Remus: Emphasizing here, yeah
20:50 iloveyou4ever: 04:36:594 - to d?
20:50 iloveyou4ever: to emphasize high-pitched piano sound on 04:36:669 (431) - 
20:51 Remus: I hear piano hear
20:51 Remus: Hm
20:51 Remus: Or maybe i am wrong D:
20:51 Remus: Check it with 25%
20:51 Remus: 04:36:594 (430) -
20:51 iloveyou4ever: all timestamps have piano XD
20:51 Remus: Haha, i mean stronger one
20:52 iloveyou4ever: oh ok
20:52 iloveyou4ever: I think some patterns choices could be done better,but overall is good
20:53 Remus: When you played it
20:53 Remus: Often changes from doubles to triples or just notes isn't too intensive?
20:53 iloveyou4ever: but some patterns are hard for alt players like 03:19:644 - 
20:53 Remus: Oh, here i can do don exactly
20:53 Remus: 04:36:594 (430) -
20:53 Remus: Oh
20:54 Remus: 03:19:794 (802) -
20:54 iloveyou4ever: starting streams at blue tick is a bit weird...
20:54 Remus: Or it's the same
20:54 Remus: What about making triple on white tick
20:54 Remus: then gap on blue
20:54 Remus: and starting stream with double d?
20:55 iloveyou4ever: yeah maybe try moving 03:19:644 (800) - to 03:19:569 - ?
20:55 Remus: Sure
20:55 iloveyou4ever: oh wait
20:55 iloveyou4ever: sounds a bit weird
20:56 Remus: Don maybe?
20:56 iloveyou4ever: and ok but also changing to d is better
20:56 iloveyou4ever: yes
20:56 Remus: Or
20:56 Remus: i guess i can do here stream of 7 notes, then gap, and then stream again
20:56 Remus: According to music
20:56 Remus: 03:20:094 (806) - here gap
20:57 iloveyou4ever: nice! yeah starting a stream on the most intense timestamp
20:57 Remus: Dealed with it x)
20:58 iloveyou4ever: you may also want to changes places that have similar melodies :o
20:58 Remus: Hm, i'll check them
20:58 Remus: You mean similar to this change i did previous time?
20:58 Remus: 03:20:094 - ?
20:59 iloveyou4ever: moving some notes to previous 1/4 blue tick to make the stream more user-friendly
21:00 Remus: Okay, nice, fix them then
21:00 iloveyou4ever: 04:18:069 (199,200,207) - change to k?
21:00 iloveyou4ever: feels a bit weird for kkkddddd pattern XD
21:02 Remus: what about kkkdddkdkkk...?
21:02 Remus: Or it's too technical
21:02 iloveyou4ever: would be good too
21:02 iloveyou4ever: btw bpm is wrong according to the ranked version>
21:02 iloveyou4ever: ?
21:03 *iloveyou4ever is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/807074 xi - Ascension to Heaven]
21:03 Remus: It's 200 as in ranked, but there are some inconsistencies in the end
21:03 Remus: It changes so often
21:04 iloveyou4ever: yeah the red lines of your version are different from the ranked version at the end
21:04 iloveyou4ever: need to be changed
21:05 Remus: Is ranked version have the same mp3?
21:05 Remus: Because as i heard
21:05 Remus: They can be different :0
21:06 Remus: Also wanted to ask you about 03:41:019 (863,864,865,866,867,868,869,870,871,872,873) -
21:06 iloveyou4ever: I wonder why you didn't stole the mp3 and redlines of the ranked version lul
21:06 Remus: Should i do SV change here?
21:06 iloveyou4ever: oh I also thought about this place
21:06 Remus: Meh, idk :D
21:07 iloveyou4ever: emm I would add it if I were you
21:07 iloveyou4ever: can act as a transition
21:07 Remus: From slow to fast
21:07 Remus: Or from fast to slow?
21:07 iloveyou4ever: from slow to fast?
21:07 iloveyou4ever: maybe try both XD
21:08 iloveyou4ever: in terms of pitch,from fast to slow
21:08 iloveyou4ever: but in terms of progression,from slow to fast
21:08 Remus: Hmhmhm
21:08 iloveyou4ever: 1. Offset: 5,769ms	BPM: 200.00
21:08 Remus: What to choose, what to choose...
21:08 iloveyou4ever: *your own decision...
21:08 iloveyou4ever: oh just keep it
21:08 iloveyou4ever: *or
21:08 iloveyou4ever: make it simple XD
21:09 Remus: i'll make build up by 0.02 SV
21:09 Remus: from 0.90 to ~1.06
21:09 iloveyou4ever: would it be too large?
21:09 iloveyou4ever: 0.02x is quite large
21:10 Remus: Okay, by 0.01 :D
21:10 iloveyou4ever: just my opinions XD need not listen to my bullshit always
21:11 Remus: Oh, 0.01 is too slow LUL
21:12 Remus: Anyway
21:12 Remus: Thanks for mod :D
21:12 Remus: I'll be glad you posting it on forum
21:12 Remus: For modlogs
21:12 Remus: modlog*
21:12 iloveyou4ever: oh then just keep it as 0.02
21:12 iloveyou4ever: the actual effect is more important than the theory
21:12 iloveyou4ever: ok I will post it XD

Good Luck :)
HomieLove
Beatmap Nominator
305 posts
Joined July 2016
HomieLove
IRC log with the mapper
19:32 Remus: Gratz on score :^)
19:32 Greenshell: thanks :^)
19:32 Remus: By the way, Greenshell
19:32 Remus: Do you need m4m?
19:32 Greenshell: hmm
19:32 Greenshell: do you need a mod on ascension to heaven?
19:32 Remus: Sure :D
19:32 Greenshell: np the map, I'd like to testplay
19:33 *Remus is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1453460 xi - Ascension to Heaven]
19:33 Remus: here /o/
19:38 Greenshell: hm
19:39 Greenshell: honestly the sv feels a bit overdone in the kiais
19:39 Greenshell: makes the streams pretty frustrating to read
19:39 Remus: Yeah
19:39 Remus: That's the thing i wanted to ask experienced mappers
19:39 Remus: Should i do smoother transition
19:40 Remus: Or just make kiai a bit lower in SV change
19:40 Remus: Anyway it still looks rough
19:40 Greenshell: 1.2x is really hard on 200bpm, even if the map is meant to be hard
19:41 Remus: Hm
19:41 Remus: Maybe i can do transition 1.05 -> 1.1 -> 1.15?
19:41 Remus: Or 1.15 is hard too?
19:41 Greenshell: 1.15x is good for the second kiai
19:41 Greenshell: 04:01:035 - 
19:41 Greenshell: for the first one 1.1x
19:42 Greenshell: because the second one is more intense
19:42 Remus: Yeah, right
19:42 Remus: Well, need some time to think how to low a bit other parts :thinking:
19:43 Remus: Something else?
19:43 Greenshell: by the way, you could add some more variation in the breakcore part
19:43 Remus: Except of SV
19:43 Greenshell: felt pretty stale
19:44 Remus: In streams?
19:44 Remus: Or wait
19:44 Remus: Did i get "breakcore part" wrong
19:44 Greenshell: it's the beginning
19:45 Remus: Ah
19:45 Remus: Got it
19:46 Greenshell: 700:34:260 (113,114,115,116) - dkkd instead maybe? since there's no significant percussion following piano would make more sense
19:46 Greenshell: it's different than 00:29:235 (61,62,63,64,65,66,67) - 
19:47 Remus: Fixed
19:47 Remus: Here you are right
19:47 Greenshell: 00:38:610 (153) - kat for consistency
19:47 Remus: Isn't that clear don sound? :o
19:48 Remus: 00:28:935 (56,57) - comparing with that one
19:48 Remus: here i can hear really kat-related sound
19:48 Greenshell: 00:38:610 - is the same sound
19:48 Remus: Also, wanted to ask you
19:48 Remus: d k dddk(1/6) is not too complex?
19:48 Greenshell: not at all
19:49 Remus: Okay then
19:49 Remus: Well, if they are similar
19:49 Remus: Fixed
19:51 Greenshell: 00:44:235 - for this whole part I feel like you could fill in some rhythms you left empty
19:51 Remus: I thought it should be less dense
19:52 Remus: Than next one similar
19:52 Greenshell: I understand that you map drum / sound related for the most part but that sometimes leaves a weird impression playability wise
19:52 Remus: Hm
19:52 Remus: Need to fill empty gaps?
19:52 Remus: Or make some doubles as triples
19:52 Remus: Or both? :D
19:52 Greenshell: some of the gaps are fine
19:53 Greenshell: I just feel like rhythm is pretty awkward at some spots
19:53 Remus: I'll look at this part later, then
19:54 Greenshell: actually I wanted to map this song too
19:54 Remus: Ow :>
19:54 Greenshell: I'll probably work on it when I'm done with my GDs and the set I'm working on right now
19:55 Remus: Hm
19:55 Remus: Song is good
19:56 Greenshell: I agree
19:56 Remus: And complex too
19:56 Remus: Much of space for imagination :^)
19:57 Greenshell: 02:04:785 (1) - shorten this spinner to 02:05:385 - and add a kat finish on 02:05:535 - like you did at the beginning?
19:57 Greenshell: same goes for 03:59:985 (1) - this
19:57 Remus: Wouldn't it be too short?
19:58 Greenshell: not really
19:58 Remus: Well, let's try
19:59 Greenshell: 02:43:785 - I hear 1/6 here
19:59 Remus: Fixed spinners
19:59 Remus: Kat suits i guess
19:59 Greenshell: tho if you add this you might want to split the stream 
19:59 Greenshell: the sound is not as prominent as 03:59:385 (936,937,938,939) - but it's still there
20:00 Remus: Added 1/6
20:01 Greenshell: 02:47:310 - don maybe? piano is going down, contrast like 02:46:635 (432,433,434,435,436,437,438,439) - would be cool
20:03 Remus: DidHmmm
20:03 Remus: Well, let's try
20:03 Remus: Change to other parts?
20:03 Greenshell: goes for other parts too, yeah
20:04 Remus: Okay then
20:07 Greenshell: 03:54:135 - why no kat here?
20:08 Greenshell: and 03:53:835 - to don
20:08 Remus: not sure about it
20:08 Remus: but ok
20:08 Greenshell: emphasizing the cymbal on the 1/6 sounded pretty off as you lose impact on the other drum sounds
20:08 Remus: let's see how it will work
20:09 Remus: 03:58:335 (926,927,928,929,930,931,932) - is that too intensive
20:09 Greenshell: it's fine
20:10 Remus: Ok
20:10 Greenshell: would change these to don tho, kats sound quite heavy
20:11 Remus: Hm
20:11 Remus: well
20:11 Remus: 03:58:860 (933,934) -  are dons
20:11 Remus: so maybe you are right

Good luck!
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus
Took 2 IRC.
Dealed with timing points at the end, so it finally looks normal.
Changed some patterns in slow part, still need to diversify breakcore part (first one).
frukoyurdakul
638 posts
Joined December 2015
frukoyurdakul
Important note:

Something happened with the map's timing I guess. Change the first offset to 5793 and move the others between the initial and new difference, the notes are coming very early right now.
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Important note:

Something happened with the map's timing I guess. Change the first offset to 5793 and move the others between the initial and new difference, the notes are coming very early right now.
Ah, thanks for pointing that, i'll check it when i'll have free time :>
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Important note:

Something happened with the map's timing I guess. Change the first offset to 5793 and move the others between the initial and new difference, the notes are coming very early right now.
Finally, I am free to answer and map a bit.
So, i checked timing but didn't find anything wrong...
Are you sure about 5793? :0
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus
IRC stuff :
Moved note from 01:47:835 (373) to 01:47:685
Changed 02:05:535 (1) (don) to kat.
Deleted 02:44:610 (409) in therms of density. (maybe I put note here randomly, idk lol)
frukoyurdakul
638 posts
Joined December 2015
frukoyurdakul
Upon the requests of timing change, a clarification is required. I realized that the mapper changed the .mp3 bitrate with Audacity and I was testing it with it's old mp3 file. Therefore I was finding the wrong offset as 5793. The offset is fine now.
Skylish
1,070 posts
Joined June 2013
Skylish
IRC mod, Jan 12, 2018
23:08 Remus: Hello, Skylish o/
23:08 Remus: Do you have some free time?
23:08 Remus: I wanted to ask you about some SV and density problems in one part of a map
23:08 Remus: I don't know how to fix them D:
23:09 Remus: So i really need help of someone experienced
23:40 Skylish: sorry I was afk
23:40 Skylish: np the map
23:40 Remus: No problem :D
23:40 *Remus is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1453460 xi - Ascension to Heaven]
23:41 Remus: 02:43:485 (393) - starting here, comes pre-kiai section. I tried different ways in attempts of fixing SV here and making this moment smoother for players.
23:42 Remus: The final version is icnreasing 0.05 for each note in that part, but anyway, the end of this part at 02:44:085 - looks "rough" in transition to 02:44:160 - .
23:42 Remus: What do you think? Can i adjust somehow to make this part better?
23:44 Skylish: 02:44:235 - is your finalised Kiai's SV is 1.1x?
23:45 Remus: yep
23:45 Skylish: okay give me some time to make some SV testing on the section you mentioned above
23:45 Remus: Sure
00:00 Skylish: Sorry for long waiting:
00:00 Remus: It's totaly ok :)
00:00 Skylish: https://puu.sh/yZ5TR/f35f3ef947.txt
00:01 Skylish: Please read the text, I wrote everything on it already
00:01 Remus: wow :o
00:01 Skylish: oh Vulkin is working on that too I guess, he is checking your map too :P
00:01 Skylish: I will wait for your response about my suggestion
00:01 Remus: Ye, i asked him to mod it 10 mins ago :D
00:01 Remus: Sure
00:01 Remus: And
00:01 Remus: While i am cecking your
00:01 Remus: Last ask
00:02 Remus: If you don't mind
00:02 Remus: About density in one part
00:02 Skylish: not sure if it fits your taste, I will have a shower now, brb 10 mins (yes sure before I walk into bathroom)
00:02 Remus: Sure
00:02 Skylish: okay how'bout let me enjoy the shower first then we'll be back on the map
00:02 Skylish: so you can have time to digest my suggestion as well
00:03 Remus: Of course :)
00:03 Skylish: won't it be too late for you arh? We've still got time I guess
00:03 Skylish: brb
00:06 Remus: Damn, i checked it
00:06 Remus: And it looks awesome
00:06 Remus: Exactly what i needed
00:08 Remus: I guess i learned new way of thinking about SV LUL
00:08 Remus: It will help me in mods
00:08 Remus: By the way
00:08 Remus: To the second point
00:09 Remus: Next one starts from 02:26:085 (189) - and ends at 02:41:685 (378) - here. The main problem is density here: i know, that it's almost pre-kiai, but by the way, not kiai actually...
00:10 Remus: There are a lot of sounds here, so i decided to not miss them, because instrumental here emphasized very well. As we look on intense, we can see difference
00:10 Remus: 1 - https://puu.sh/yZ3S3/9bdefcf312.jpg
00:10 Remus: 2 - https://puu.sh/yZ3SX/e6b17667d3.jpg
00:10 Remus: It is almost the same with kiai streams. I am doubted.
00:10 Remus: I had the same problem in Demetori map, but this one is a way more complex imo
00:22 Skylish: I am back, glad to see that my SV suggestion help you (reading the words above)
00:22 Remus: Ye, really helped
00:24 Skylish: okay so... about the density, what do you want to express there?
00:24 Skylish: you want to maintain the density of the pre-kiai section?
00:24 Skylish: or you want to keep a relatively low density but not to harm the tension there?
00:24 Remus: Yes, stabilize, if i can put this word here
00:25 Remus: Is this piano on background, isn't it?
00:25 Remus: So
00:25 Remus: There are really high piano sounds in this parts
00:25 Remus: (for me maybe, but anyway)
00:25 Remus: They are higher, than drums
00:25 Remus: I tried to emphasize them here
00:25 Remus: But after it
00:25 Remus: I broke density
00:25 Remus: Cause kiai has the same density, and it's wrong
00:25 Skylish: I see....
00:26 Skylish: yes they are piano
00:26 Remus: once tasuke said, that i just need to delete some notes in that kind of parts
00:26 Remus: or find another pattering for that
00:26 Remus: But it was for demetori
00:26 Remus: Here i don't want to sacrifice sounds
00:26 Remus: And don't want to break structure
00:26 Remus: Haha
00:27 Remus: Dilemma
00:27 Skylish: I got it, thinking a way to deal with it (another waiting time)
00:27 Remus: As i know, this kind of parts should be "build-up" parts
00:27 Remus: Not that intense
00:27 Remus: Sure
00:40 Skylish: I tried mapping the section you stated there
00:41 Skylish: the density is remained https://puu.sh/yZ7eW/99eaceadee.osz
00:41 Skylish: It's just a sample
00:41 Skylish: to display how the density should be expected in a large extent of keeping a as high as possible density
00:41 Skylish: 02:25:035 - to 02:41:835 -
00:42 Skylish: I am a slow mapper obviously :P
00:44 Remus: Hm, i look at your part
00:45 Remus: And suddenly thought about how i can low a bit density on my part
00:45 Remus: except of remapping all the part
00:45 Remus: 1 min
00:45 Skylish: yes just a demonstration
00:45 Remus: I think that i need to make more gaps
00:45 Remus: As first option
00:46 Remus: For example here 02:26:760 -
00:46 Remus: No need in that long stream for no reason
00:46 Remus: And gap here will help player to adapte to next pattern too
00:46 Skylish: well notice
00:47 Remus: 02:28:811 - lol and here i hear doubles now
00:47 Remus: BRAIN WTF
00:47 Remus: why now
00:47 Remus: haha
00:50 Remus: Ye, fixed that moment
00:50 Remus: Thank you a lot for that help today!
00:50 Remus: Didn't even think about that deep help :D
00:50 Skylish: npnp :D
00:51 Skylish: mind me jot down some notes on your thread?
00:51 Remus: Sure
00:51 Skylish: *post the discussion here to the thread
00:51 Skylish: good

> Fixed the 'rough' SV usages from 02:41:835 - to 02:44:235 - .

> Discussed about the density issue at 02:25:035 - and Kiais.

[Timing]

I timed this music once before in https://osu.ppy.sh/s/355162 .

Please refer to the BPM changes at the last part.
Vulkin
1,602 posts
Joined September 2014
Vulkin
owo

-Ascent-
1)00:33:285 - why not try something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9981804 ?
2)00:50:235 - could add either a d or a k to follow the background piano
3)01:01:035 - d ddk dk kd k could be used to buff that part a little bit, for the incoming stream
4)01:11:460 - a d could be added here and maybe make 01:11:685 - a k?
5)01:20:760 - why not add a k here? could follow that kick sound (?) better
6)01:26:835 (337) - could be made a k tbh, reflect raise of pitch
7)01:27:435 (339) - could use a finisher imo, strong sound
8)01:27:735 - why not add a d here? consistency with 01:32:535 -
9)01:31:635 (346) - why not d? i know that it has same pitch as the next note, but this one is the sound of one key, not two like the next one
10)01:35:835 (354,355) - imo sounds better if ctrl+g'd, idk how to explain it orz
11)01:40:035 (362) - why not k? near same pitch as next note, which is a k
12)01:46:335 (373) - why not d? could give some emphasis on the next note
13)01:46:635 - why not http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9981894 (374 is finisher)? consistency with 01:27:435 -
14)01:50:235 (380) - could be made k too, consistency with 01:31:035 -
15)02:01:185 - why not add a d here? feels a bit weird with a doublet there, and most of that part is with triplets so
16)02:05:835 (1) - could be made a finisher too, strong sound
17)02:25:035 (180) - could also be made a finisher for the strong sound
18)02:33:585 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9981924 could be used to show the decrease on pitch
19)03:10:410 (695,696) - these could be made d's, to differentiate it from 03:10:635 -
20)03:22:635 (840) - could also use a finisher imo
21)03:29:835 (844) - why not k? higher pitch than 03:28:635 (843) -
22)03:31:935 (848,849) - ctrl+g maybe? to give some emphasis on 03:32:235 -
23)03:41:835 (873) - why not finisher? strong sound
24)03:44:235 (874) - k could be used here, the pitch is so high there lol
25)03:46:635 (876) - k sounds better there imo
26)03:51:585 - a d could fit here tbh, consistency with the incoming triplets
27)03:58:335 - why not 1/6 kkkdddk? imo its more comfortable to play
28)04:39:285 (467,468,469) - these could work as ddk imo, for the last note because its kinda strong
29)04:44:235 (471) - why not k? kinda high pitch compared to next note
30)04:48:435 (476) - k could work here, sounds more comfortable
31)04:51:435 (479) - ^

sorry this mod cant help much, im so bad at stream maps
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus

Vulkin wrote:

owo


-Ascent-
1)00:33:285 - why not try something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9981804 ? i discussed those 1/6s with some people, but in the end i decided to keep it like this (because i don't want to make the beginning too dense and complex + first 1/6 isn't obvious
2)00:50:235 - could add either a d or a k to follow the background piano emphasized only drums here
3)01:01:035 - d ddk dk kd k could be used to buff that part a little bit, for the incoming stream fixed a bit different way
4)01:11:460 - a d could be added here and maybe make 01:11:685 - a k? afraid of breaking density here
5)01:20:760 - why not add a k here? could follow that kick sound (?) better fixed
6)01:26:835 (337) - could be made a k tbh, reflect raise of pitch for me don is better here
7)01:27:435 (339) - could use a finisher imo, strong sound fixed
8)01:27:735 - why not add a d here? consistency with 01:32:535 - cause there is no sound here
9)01:31:635 (346) - why not d? i know that it has same pitch as the next note, but this one is the sound of one key, not two like the next one here is strange place, yeah, but let's keep it with kat, for me tonality of sounds are more important
10)01:35:835 (354,355) - imo sounds better if ctrl+g'd, idk how to explain it orz i'll lose emphasizing on 01:36:435 (353,354) -
11)01:40:035 (362) - why not k? near same pitch as next note, which is a k 01:40:635 - has human's echo on the background and deeper reaf sound, so i decided to emphasize it by dk
12)01:46:335 (373) - why not d? could give some emphasis on the next note here sound is getting louder and there is something like noise,
so i decided to put kat to follow it
13)01:46:635 - why not http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9981894 (374 is finisher)? consistency with 01:27:435 - looks like i missed much of big notes xd
14)01:50:235 (380) - could be made k too, consistency with 01:31:035 - same as above
15)02:01:185 - why not add a d here? feels a bit weird with a doublet there, and most of that part is with triplets so i hear only double here even with 25%
16)02:05:835 (1) - could be made a finisher too, strong sound start with finisher is... strange, so i'll keep it like that
17)02:25:035 (180) - could also be made a finisher for the strong sound i'll think about this one, thx
18)02:33:585 - https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9981924 could be used to show the decrease on pitch i did that 'decrease' at the end streams, and here sound isn't that obvious to do that imo
19)03:10:410 (695,696) - these could be made d's, to differentiate it from 03:10:635 - fixed
20)03:22:635 (840) - could also use a finisher imo fixed
21)03:29:835 (844) - why not k? higher pitch than 03:28:635 (843) - to follow 03:32:235 (843) -
22)03:31:935 (848,849) - ctrl+g maybe? to give some emphasis on 03:32:235 - looks fine to me
23)03:41:835 (873) - why not finisher? strong sound same, have some doubts
24)03:44:235 (874) - k could be used here, the pitch is so high there lol fixed
25)03:46:635 (876) - k sounds better there imo idk, really
26)03:51:585 - a d could fit here tbh, consistency with the incoming triplets i decided to not do that as above
27)03:58:335 - why not 1/6 kkkdddk? imo its more comfortable to play well, one color 1/6 is a lot way easier to kddk players, not kkdd players... so idk yet...
28)04:39:285 (467,468,469) - these could work as ddk imo, for the last note because its kinda strong fixed
29)04:44:235 (471) - why not k? kinda high pitch compared to next note emphasizing
30)04:48:435 (476) - k could work here, sounds more comfortable for me i follow similar don sound, so...
31)04:51:435 (479) - ^ same ^

sorry this mod cant help much, im so bad at stream maps no worries :^)
Thanks owo
Fantazy
190 posts
Joined August 2015
Fantazy
hihi~
english not vely wall(?)RIP Fanlazy
[General]
  1. 02:53:835 - 04:10:635 - quest for kiai <____________________>
    03:11:835 - make kiai close here, im not very suggest?
  2. 03:37:035 - keep here 20% or higher 30% ?
  3. 04:55:081 - so hard to litsen <__>|||
    04:55:081 - this timming is incorrect, delete, note change to 04:55:104 -
    04:55:887 - add a timming for it
  4. 04:59:112 - unneeded inherited point
[Ascent]
  1. 00:33:585 - i think here is a place can make 1/6 kkk
  2. 00:39:435 (165) - D is better
  3. 00:43:110 - spinner start here? 00:43:785 - end here, for player can reaction 02:04:710 - 03:59:910 - these also
  4. 01:03:285 (162,163,164) - dkD the D is better feeling at last
  5. 01:22:560 - add note?
  6. 01:25:035 - +d
  7. 01:26:235 - this part make more undulating sound here
    01:26:835 (336,337) - k d / d k / k k
    01:31:635 (344) - d
    01:47:085 (373,374,375) - d k k better? i think ?__?
  8. 02:28:935 - 02:29:910 - 02:30:060 - 02:38:010 - if follow piano add note?
    02:37:860 - dkdkd here? feel better?
  9. 02:43:410 - add note for like a is comming stream (?__?)
    02:44:085 (398) - d after going higher
  10. 02:53:835 - i like that kind small stream small stream and longer stream, that's a nice pattern, then 02:56:085 - make it a little long(?) stream
  11. 03:02:610 - +note
  12. 03:29:835 - d , undulating again ?___?
    03:50:835 (877,878) - ^
    03:34:635 (845) - k
    03:37:035 (851) - ah, if no 03:36:285 (847,848,849,850) - these 4 note i will say 03:37:035 (851) - change k?
  13. 03:57:135 (912) - k
    03:57:435 (914,915) - dk
  14. 04:14:985 - here is the finally part(for all), add more note here, make more exciting
  15. 04:48:435 (476,477) - u know it >__>|||
    04:49:035 (478) - use d or D is better
    04:51:435 (479) - k
  16. 04:55:104 (482) - "General"
  17. 04:55:887 (483,484,485,486) - and 03:38:985 (853,854,855,856) - hmmmmmmm, should..make them same? or?
  18. 04:59:036 - start here
sorry for a lot of thing if it no use >__>|||
Toorun12
22 posts
Joined June 2017
Toorun12
nice map.
I can give you little advice because of previous wonderful modders.
I thought this is more likely Impression than modding. Please use to know where is difficult for the #200~#300 player and to know what sound the map should follow of unfollow for that.

ascent
00:24:810 (19) - considering the notes-density ratio, it is better ddddk_k_d or ddddk___d, than ddddkkkkd.
perhaps, too follow the back sounds in the beginning.

00:29:385 (63) - and 00:29:610 (66) - I felt this beetmap intend even-notes. if so, split this short stream to cut this two notes.

01:46:635 (372) - plz to Change this to d, I want this notes to be different from priveous k, because it is the head of measure.

02:34:785 (293) - From here, even(3-2-4-2-4-2-4-3) is veeery difficult !
I suggest some......
now :d_kkd_kd_kdkd_kd_kdkd_kdk_...
sug1:d_kkd_kd_ddkd_kddkdkd_kdk_...
sug2:d__kd_d__ddkd_kdkddkd_ddk_...
sug3:d_kkdkd__kddk_kddkddk_ddk_...

02:44:235 - why not change 5-notes from 7notes?
now :kkkdd_kdkkkdd_kdkkddk_kdkkddd_
cng1:kkkdd_kdkkd_dkkdk_ddkdk_kkddd_
cng2:kkkdd_dkkkd_kkdkd_dkkkd_kkddd_ ...etc

03:03:435 - same (02:44:235)


03:22:560 (832) - Next is D(big), so imo this notes should be deleted.

04:39:360 (468) - same (03:22:560)

04:22:785 (262) - This is my most important request.
I furequently mistake this notes for d.
and , perhaps, a lot of player will do....I recommend changing.

I wish this map will be better and be more liked for osu!taiko players. go for it !
frukoyurdakul
638 posts
Joined December 2015
frukoyurdakul
Hi there.

[General]

The ending seems a bit inaccurate to me, I've made some adjustments, here is the redline diff.

5835,300,4,1,0,40,1,0
291435,302.762709726252,4,1,0,85,1,0
292646,303.030303030303,4,1,0,40,1,0
293861,310.880829015544,4,1,0,50,1,0
295104,315.789473684211,4,1,0,40,1,0
296367,319.148936170213,4,1,0,40,1,0
297641,324.324324324324,4,1,0,40,1,0

To apply this fastly, simply copy the values, open Editor, press F6, switch to Timing Points tab where it shows red points only, delete everything and paste what you've copied.

[Oni's Ascent]

  1. 01:36:435 (353) - I think you can change this to kat since the keyboard pitch is higher than the others.
  2. 02:40:635 (360,361,362,363,364) - Instead of kkddk, I think kdkkd works better because of how the keyboard sounds.
  3. 03:58:635 - Due to playability I recommend to change this note to kat.
Other than those I think this map is ready.
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus
Checked last two mods (Fantazy and Toorun12) and fixed only timing points, which were really unnecessary. Also fixed volume at the end + added 2 notes in first pre-kiai part to no confuse player by sudden double between two streams (it felt awkward, i know, sorry :<)
I decided to keep same concept of notes structure as i have now, so...


frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hi there.

[General]

The ending seems a bit inaccurate to me, I've made some adjustments, here is the redline diff.

5835,300,4,1,0,40,1,0
291435,302.762709726252,4,1,0,85,1,0
292646,303.030303030303,4,1,0,40,1,0
293861,310.880829015544,4,1,0,50,1,0
295104,315.789473684211,4,1,0,40,1,0
296367,319.148936170213,4,1,0,40,1,0
297641,324.324324324324,4,1,0,40,1,0

To apply this fastly, simply copy the values, open Editor, press F6, switch to Timing Points tab where it shows red points only, delete everything and paste what you've copied. Done. Looks almost the same for me, but it should be better for players, i guess

[Oni's Ascent]

  1. 01:36:435 (353) - I think you can change this to kat since the keyboard pitch is higher than the others. fixed
  2. 02:40:635 (360,361,362,363,364) - Instead of kkddk, I think kdkkd works better because of how the keyboard sounds. fixed
  3. 03:58:635 - Due to playability I recommend to change this note to kat. fixed
Other than those I think this map is ready.
Thank you :>
Last edited by Remus , edited 1 time in total.
frukoyurdakul
638 posts
Joined December 2015
frukoyurdakul
Keep up the good work, I wish you the best of luck.

Bubbled!
Surono
7,195 posts
Joined November 2013
Surono
I wish I can reach to heaven if me dont have sins just like newborn baby xd

01:20:910 - ok i hear that drum lol thats why its mapped as kat altho I wanted to change it as don to make flat emphasis with the burst. but ok its fine, doesnt need change lol

01:22:410 - its good as kat, so dem if you ignore this intense of the flow .. flat emphasis doesnt seem interesting imo. nevermind, already saw 02:24:810 - this in the next.. good variation, strong emphasis is already for this part. u can keep the strike sentences suggestion hahah X"D

02:43:710 - idk why but I recommended this as kat, various reaasons are.. alternate sound emphasis, to follow da flows and playable seems neat

03:51:435 - no finisher but strong emphasis piano ( dd 1/4 ) i guess n etc? 03:56:235 - at least give it finish since its standalone note and to make difference emphasis purposes which normal notes.

dem idk cant point out smth but yeah just satisfied <3

and drain time is gg, 04:39:510 - tho i wanted to place spinner here but yeah its already gud with single simple far gap patterns xd feels da flow and beat..

02:05:760 - maybe from here.. that structures pattern are really intensiv feelings.. yehaa just how da end of longstream emphasis.. 02:25:035 - like here and asdafsdfad idk

lets go, mostly just comment.. bolds the real mod
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus

Surono wrote:

I wish I can reach to heaven if me dont have sins just like newborn baby xd it's never too late :^)

01:20:910 - ok i hear that drum lol thats why its mapped as kat altho I wanted to change it as don to make flat emphasis with the burst. but ok its fine, doesnt need change lol

01:22:410 - its good as kat, so dem if you ignore this intense of the flow .. flat emphasis doesnt seem interesting imo. nevermind, already saw 02:24:810 - this in the next.. good variation, strong emphasis is already for this part. u can keep the strike sentences suggestion hahah X"D

02:43:710 - idk why but I recommended this as kat, various reaasons are.. alternate sound emphasis, to follow da flows and playable seems neat sure

03:51:435 - no finisher but strong emphasis piano ( dd 1/4 ) i guess n etc? 03:56:235 - at least give it finish since its standalone note and to make difference emphasis purposes which normal notes. made 03:56:235 (907) - that one as finisher

dem idk cant point out smth but yeah just satisfied <3

and drain time is gg, 04:39:510 - tho i wanted to place spinner here but yeah its already gud with single simple far gap patterns xd feels da flow and beat..

02:05:760 - maybe from here.. that structures pattern are really intensiv feelings.. yehaa just how da end of longstream emphasis.. 02:25:035 - like here and asdafsdfad idk

lets go, mostly just comment.. bolds the real mod
Thank you so much :>
Updated.
Surono
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Joined November 2013
Surono
really good
Raytoly
606 posts
Joined March 2016
Raytoly
^q^b
Uta
963 posts
Joined December 2016
Uta
gratzzz!!!
Remus
452 posts
Joined July 2015
Topic Starter
Remus
Thank you :>
tasuke912
Former osu!taiko Champion: 2018
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Joined June 2013
tasuke912
M4... oh, Ccongratz!
Namki
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Namki
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