Zektbach - Turii ~Panta rhei~ [CatchTheBeat]

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Spectator
I also agree with Kyuare that there're lots of long sliders which feels much better with tick rate 2, and 1/3 still works with one extra slider-ticks that's very close to the upcoming slider-ends at play-wise or whatever.

btw 01:24:365 (5) - clap should be on slider-head not tail so please fix it :D
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Kyuare

Sinnoh wrote:

anyways

Platter
It seems there's quite a few hyperdash into antiflows, these need to be changed fixed
01:06:731 (11,1) -
01:11:798 (1,2) -
01:13:419 (1,2) -

01:21:020 (4,5,1) - The high snap dash into antiflow is really challenging to play, it would make more sense to either use lower note density or change how flow works here to change direction nerfed from 2.70 to 2.50
01:47:271 (6,1) - This dash is pretty large, a small nerf would be appreciated alright reduced by ~0.10

JBHyperion wrote:

Tick Rate 1 works fine for both 1/2 and 1/3 rhythms, so it'd usually be the best option in such cases. If there are any especial sounds on either that you want to emphasise (which imo, there really aren't in places such as 00:19:906 (1,3,1) - 00:28:014 (1,2,3) - etc.), you could easily do so (on later difficulties at least) by adding a circle/slider/tail instead. Well I still prefer Tick Rate 2 because of long sliders, sorry.

That being said, the hyperdashes mentioned by Sinnoh in Platter do need to be fixed. The latter two points are not as crucial, but I would still be in favour of changing them at this time.

Some additional things to consider:

Salad:
  1. 00:50:514 (6,1) - 01:09:974 (8,1) - This dash distance is confusing since it's considerably smaller than your normal 1/2 spacing (~2.5x DS) and might appear walkable fixed
  2. 01:08:555 (1,2,3,4) - 01:15:040 (1,2,3,4) - These are clear triples so not sure why you mapped them as doubles leaving the equally important third sound unmapped added 1 more fruit


Platter:
  1. 01:51:325 (4,5) - 01:57:811 (4,5) - Not sure why you mapped these as 3/4 sliders but not 01:53:960 (1,2) - 02:00:446 (1,2) - given they have similarly stressed vocal sounds on the tails they are different, 01:51:325 (4,5) - are more in serious tones and fast while 01:53:960 (1,2) - are slower and more acute. I think it's a good opportunity to mark a difference here between salad and rain.


Rain:
  1. 01:08:656 (2,3,4,1) - 01:15:142 (2,3,4,1) - Hugely unexpected and quite uncomfortable to throw tap hyperdash patterns in here with no prior warning. Making (3,4) a more flowing horizontal doublet, or moving 01:08:960 (1,2) - to the left/right side respectively for an alternating pattern would play much better I can nerf it by bending the middle doublet a bit more but i really want to keep this pattern for a better Platter-Overdose spread, I also asked a lot of testplay from Rain players and they had no trouble with them. I also wanted it to be different than 01:06:122 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
  2. 01:11:595 (7,8) - Same applies here kinda, though I don't know why (7) even has a hyper since it's rather weak. A flowing regular dash would be more fitting, e.g. (7) at x:184 or so removed the HDash
  3. 01:18:081 (7,1) - Hyper here would really help to emphasise the kiai end sure


Turii:
  1. 01:52:339 (1,2,3) - 01:58:825 (1,2,3) - Nothing significant supports the 1/4 hyper to (2) here, and personally I wouldn't even have mapped it at all. At any rate, (3) is very close to the screen border in each case at only 9px distance, which is not recommended. If you can reduce the chance of border collisions in this otherwise calm section, players don't run the risk of an annoying flowbreak so close to the end of the map I want to keep the pattern, but I fixed the screen border problem for both of them.

Spectator wrote:

I also agree with Kyuare that there're lots of long sliders which feels much better with tick rate 2, and 1/3 still works with one extra slider-ticks that's very close to the upcoming slider-ends at play-wise or whatever.

btw 01:24:365 (5) - clap should be on slider-head not tail so please fix it :Dsure, fixed for every diff
Thank you very much ! :D
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Musty
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The map is pretty great and creative. But I think the part starting at 00:06:933 - to 00:19:906 - is running in 1/3 rhythms. STR 2 just produces senseless sliderticks at red ticks like 00:18:487 - 00:18:892 - 00:19:298 - etc. The actual tick should be on 1/3 ticks. While the other part of the song runs in 1/2 rhythm, you need to set STR to 1 to prevent such issue.

EDIT: alright seems like it's already pointed out and not fixed anyways. Even though I still cannot agree with that, let's see how it goes. In fact I've already seen 3 maps in the same case of being mixed with 1/3 and 1/2 rhythms. Simply skippng over it by saying "case by case" is not the best solution imo. We have to discuss it someday.

EDIT 2: A possible solution is to half the BPM of 1/3 parts so that ticks won't get showed but I'm not sure if it is rankable. Let me ask someone first.

EDIT 3: Yeah another solution is making all sliderticks in 1/3 parts silence. You need to add many green lines to achieve that tho. But in this way, STR2 is protected and gameplay experience is not affected to the most extent, which I can accept.
Sinnoh

F D Flourite wrote:

EDIT 3: Yeah another solution is making all sliderticks in 1/3 parts silence. You need to add many green lines to achieve that tho. But in this way, STR2 is protected and gameplay experience is not affected to the most extent, which I can accept.
Since default hitsounds are used it's easier to just use a custom sampleset with muted slider ticks for that section
Deif

Sinnoh wrote:

F D Flourite wrote:

EDIT 3: Yeah another solution is making all sliderticks in 1/3 parts silence. You need to add many green lines to achieve that tho. But in this way, STR2 is protected and gameplay experience is not affected to the most extent, which I can accept.
Since default hitsounds are used it's easier to just use a custom sampleset with muted slider ticks for that section
To be honest, even with the current hitsound sample the slider ticks in this section are barely hearable, so that's not necessary to do at all.

Both STR1 and STR2 could work to be honest. I didn't notice any difference on the slider shapes as others pointed out, and the sliderticks on the 1/3 section have almost no influence in the gameplay as they're quite close to the sliderends. It's up to Kyuare to lower the STR for the last difficulty.

@FDF: Halving the BPM only in that section is not a solution. The song has clearly a plain 148 BPM and we cannot just change the BPM to fix the STR.
Sinnoh
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Kyuare

Sinnoh wrote:

F D Flourite wrote:

EDIT 3: Yeah another solution is making all sliderticks in 1/3 parts silence. You need to add many green lines to achieve that tho. But in this way, STR2 is protected and gameplay experience is not affected to the most extent, which I can accept.
Since default hitsounds are used it's easier to just use a custom sampleset with muted slider ticks for that section
Well as Deif said slider ticks are nearly inaudible, without forgetting the fact they are really close to the slider tail so both sounds merge at full speed, that's why it's not necessary to mute them for only this section.

Because the sliderticks on the 1/3 section are just under the slidertail, the gameplay experience isn't affected to the most extent: droplet trajectory is still clear and easy to catch, even more intuitive than STR1.
Sorry for my bad english I tried to explain as clearly as possible ! :D
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