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BlackY - FLOWER -SPRING Long VER.- [Taiko]

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Marm
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on domingo, 4 de fevereiro de 2018 at 17:23:49

Artist: BlackY
Title: FLOWER -SPRING Long VER.-
Tags: marathon
BPM: 170
Filesize: 9094kb
Play Time: 06:05
Difficulties Available:
  1. Chrysanthemums (6,39 stars, 2727 notes)
Download: BlackY - FLOWER -SPRING Long VER.-
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hello there I'm marm and this is a taiko map.



boo


thanks to
Protonori
Cocoaaa
Ak1o
SilverCatalyst
Fallmorth
Protonori
From my modding queue~

[boo]
pls no scary diff name ;w;

00:45:131 (249,250,251,252) - kkkd for consistency? You normally map the downbeat with d.
00:54:779 (10) - d? I think it matches the piano.
00:57:426 - Add k? You can still hear the piano here.
00:58:484 - k? This is just an echo effect though, so you don't have to add this.
00:58:837 (26,27,28) - ddk? The pitch is ascending here.
01:00:381 (30) - Move to 01:00:337 since this is where the piano starts. I'd also recommend changing this note to d.
01:06:029 (52) - d?
01:08:602 (64,65) - Delete? I think you're trying to follow the piano here, but you can barely hear it during gameplay.
01:11:676 (74) - Move to 01:11:631 + change to d. Same reasoning as 01:00:381.
01:23:896 (128,129,130) - dkd? You used the same pattern at 01:14:896 and 01:17:720. I think you should do the same with 01:20:543 and 01:23:367.
01:49:367 (299,300,301) - kkkd? Same reasoning as 00:45:131.
01:54:249 (314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321) - dkdkkkdk? I think it matches the style you used at 01:59:896.

02:11:014 - This section sounds a bit strange without doubles. I'd recommend using doubles, at least until 02:13:837. If you disagree, then I'd suggest:
02:11:455 - Add a d for consistency with 02:12:867 (487)?

02:16:573 (521) - k, to emphasize the end of the stream?

02:33:249 - This whole section seems a bit overmapped to me. Suggestions, starting at 02:33:602 -




02:37:837 - Listening to the music, it sounds like the stream should start here.

03:18:779 - Same thing as 02:33:249. This section seems overmapped to me. This part is more understandable though, since the song's intensity is building.

Good luck with ranking this! :)
Topic Starter
Marm

Protonori wrote:

From my modding queue~

[boo]
pls no scary diff name ;w; I'll change it xD. boo is just the default diffname I put on my maps.

00:45:131 (249,250,251,252) - kkkd for consistency? You normally map the downbeat with d. This is true but I don't want all of the 3 1/6 to be k on this stream as it is very monotonous imo.
00:54:779 (10) - d? I think it matches the piano. ok.
00:57:426 - Add k? You can still hear the piano here. ahh sure. I wanted to focus more on the low key piano on this part for contrast but this should fit the song better.
00:58:484 - k? This is just an echo effect though, so you don't have to add this. meh, I prefer nothing here.
00:58:837 (26,27,28) - ddk? The pitch is ascending here. makes sense, applied this.
01:00:381 (30) - Move to 01:00:337 since this is where the piano starts. I'd also recommend changing this note to d. looks good. yes
01:06:029 (52) - d? sure, more consistent with the previous suggestions.
01:08:602 (64,65) - Delete? I think you're trying to follow the piano here, but you can barely hear it during gameplay. aaa I like this :C. I'll keep it but also change to kddk as it fits better imo.
01:11:676 (74) - Move to 01:11:631 + change to d. Same reasoning as 01:00:381. ok
01:23:896 (128,129,130) - dkd? You used the same pattern at 01:14:896 and 01:17:720. I think you should do the same with 01:20:543 and 01:23:367. ok too.
01:49:367 (299,300,301) - kkkd? Same reasoning as 00:45:131. I'll keep it for the same reason.
01:54:249 (314,315,316,317,318,319,320,321) - dkdkkkdk? I think it matches the style you used at 01:59:896. Mmm I'd like this pattern to begin with a kat. I did some changes to be more similar to that pattern though.

02:11:014 - This section sounds a bit strange without doubles. I'd recommend using doubles, at least until 02:13:837. If you disagree, then I'd suggest:
02:11:455 - Add a d for consistency with 02:12:867 (487)? Mapping the doubles makes more sense, I changed it and similar parts too.

02:16:573 (521) - k, to emphasize the end of the stream? ok, last note as different colour is better.

02:33:249 - This whole section seems a bit overmapped to me. Suggestions, starting at 02:33:602 - There's drum sounds on this part. If you remove the notes you can hear I mapped where there are drums so I think I'll keep it.




02:37:837 - Listening to the music, it sounds like the stream should start here. I'm filling the drum sounds on this part.

03:18:779 - Same thing as 02:33:249. This section seems overmapped to me. This part is more understandable though, since the song's intensity is building. I'm keeping this one too. This has piano sounds too.

Good luck with ranking this! :) thanks o/ This probably needs some more mods though orz
Raytoly
yo I'm here for M4M
bg it's feel peaceful and dark
I offer the background I find if using a anime flower maybe it's look good than before
Chrysanthemums
00:15:779 I think sound it's end here please try my pattern

00:23:014 hey I think it's 1/6 maybe try it

00:54:779 it's ddk(1/8) note change it
00:56:543 move to 00:56:631 it's feel like this
01:00:381 it's 1/8 to please add d
01:04:573 it's 1/8 again. add k here
01:05:984 add d
01:11:676 ^
01:45:779 it's feel like kdk or dkd . maybe you should change pattern by yourself
03:27:955 kkdkk look work:3/
03:33:602 ^
03:28:484 change to k
03:34:131 ^
03:39:249 change to kkdkk too
03:39:779 change to k
04:22:131 try my pattern it's look work and 04:23:720 is K

04:38:543 - 05:42:779 use my mod in 03:27:955 - 03:39:779 because It is a repetition
I like your profile (uncle) and I think you knew.I'm 13
I'm sure it's helpful
good luck~~~ :D
Topic Starter
Marm

Cocoaaa wrote:

yo I'm here for M4M
bg it's feel peaceful and dark using the last one you suggested.
I offer the background I find if using a anime flower maybe it's look good than before
Chrysanthemums
00:15:779 I think sound it's end here please try my pattern Mm, I didn't like it as it isn't covering the heavy drum sound on the white line so I'll keep it unchanged for now.

00:23:014 hey I think it's 1/6 maybe try it strong beat at 00:23:102 - is still more important as the 1/6 is really slow (maybe it's even a continuous 1/8)

00:54:779 it's ddk(1/8) note change it no, ddk doesn't play well nor any 3-notes on 1/8 since they are bursts that doesn't fit on calm parts like this one.
00:56:543 move to 00:56:631 it's feel like this this plays well indeed but there's no sound there to fill.
01:00:381 it's 1/8 to please add d same answer.
01:04:573 it's 1/8 again. add k here
01:05:984 add d
01:11:676 ^
01:45:779 it's feel like kdk or dkd . maybe you should change pattern by yourself it's the same sound as the next patterns so I'll keep it unchanged.
03:27:955 kkdkk look work:3/ I'm not a fan of repeating patterns, there's already a kkdkk after this part.
03:33:602 ^
03:28:484 change to k I don't quite like repeated kdkdkdkdk and the synth changed from the previous notes.
03:34:131 ^
03:39:249 change to kkdkk too
03:39:779 change to k
04:22:131 try my pattern it's look work and 04:23:720 is K changed the patterns somewhere else that fits more the synth (04:22:661 - to k). About the finisher I'll try to avoid them at the end of streams so no for now. If 2 or more modders mention it I'll put it there.

04:38:543 - 05:42:779 use my mod in 03:27:955 - 03:39:779 because It is a repetition
I like your profile (uncle) and I think you knew.I'm 13 Ummm... uncle?
I'm sure it's helpful sure, mods always are.
good luck~~~ :D thaaanks o/
Ak1o
Here for M4M!

Note that all of these are suggestions, so feel free to only accept what you really want to.

I'm also really, really obsessed with variations, so don't hang me if I tried to hard on this one, okay? :(

01:07:131 (56) - this don is really weird to me; I'd rather change this to a kat because of the very noticeable, high piano note

01:30:249 - maybe add a don here, I feel like this would help the ongoing flow a tad more than a (forced?) pause just for the sake of variation (if that was your intention)

01:38:014 - I don't feel that there is a reason valid enough to justify this variation, it seems kinda out of place to me; I'd go with moving 01:38:102 (230) - to this red tick and maybe switch up some patterns instead (maybe something like kd kd on the first doublets and/or dk dk on the second, etc.). the finishers in this section should be enough to give a feeling of variety going on here.

01:48:955 (295) - I'd change this to a kat to amplify the pitch of the rising melody here

01:54:073 - 02:16:661 - (first kiai):

I had fun analysing this part, so I just wanted to point out some things that came to my mind while doing so:
  1. patterning didn't really matter much to me, I noticed that you varied a lot here so I didn't bother to try and find more optimal stuff (all gucci if you want to call it like this)
  2. what I focused more on is the note placement tho. after quartering the kiai and playing around, I thought of something like this:
    1. since the song is relatively repetitive here, I think that the first and second quarter should play the same (or, at least, very very similar). there is not much lost when doing so, since you variated enough inside those quarters itself to sustain a relatively good flow.
    2. since you did variate a bit more in the third and fourth quarter overall, I don't think there is anything major that needs to be changed, at least not in comparison with the first half.
idk, I just wanted to give this a closer look, so I did. you can either care or not, but this is what I made to compare the parts:
SPOILER
01:54:073 - 1 8-- 5--/1 9---- 4---/1 2 5 2 1 /16------------/ 01:59:631 - 
01:59:720 - 1 8-- 2 2/10---- 5----/1 2 5 2 2-/16------------/ 02:05:279 -
02:05:367 - 1 2 5 2 2/9---- 1 4---/1 2 5 2 1 /1 2 2 8-------/ 02:10:926 -
02:11:014 - 1 2 5 2 2/1 2 4 1 1 1 /1 5 1 3 1 /8-----(3)2(3)2/ 02:16:573 -
02:16:661 - 1
by doing so I also just realized that the thing that bothers me the most is 02:03:867 (408) - this note; take everything I said above as reasoning to delete it (that was so much useless stuff only for that note haha holy shit) if I only were this productive with my uni stuff

03:24:426 - 03:47:014 - (second kiai):

I found this to be kind of lazy by you when comparing it to the first kiai, where you variated almost every bit of music although the song becomes very repetitive on its respective parts. I just think you could do a bit more in terms of patterning, since it's also noticeable while you're playing the map, which gives off a feeling of staleness (at least to me).

Again, this might be me just overanalyzing things, but this is what it looks like if you note it down:
SPOILER
03:24:426 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkd-kdd--k-kkd--d/ 03:29:984 - 
03:30:073 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkd-kdd--k-kkd--d/ 03:35:631 -
03:35:720 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkd-kdd--k-kkd--d/ 03:41:279 -
03:41:367 - k kkdkkkdk kd kkd kdddk dkddkdkkk ddk d k ddk d kddkddkd(kkkd)k(kddk)d/k 03:47:014 -

04:35:014 - 05:42:779 - (third kiai):

same thing as above, playing the same pattern over and over again gets kind of stale and boring after a while. imo it would suffice if you just changed the patternings of the second kiai and ctrl+v them over where the duplicated parts are. you can also leave the parts that are not copypasted as they are, since they fit into their respective section very well; the duplicated patterns are what bothers me the most.

Just so you can see what I mean:
SPOILER
04:35:014 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
04:40:661 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
04:46:308 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
04:51:955 - k kd dkkdk dk kkd kd kkkd d d d k ddkkd k ddk d kddkddkdkkdkdkkk/

04:57:602 - d kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:03:249 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:08:896 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:14:543 - k kkdkkkdk kd kkd kdddk dkddkdkkk ddk d k ddk d kddkddkd(kkkd)k(kddk)d/
05:20:190 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:25:837 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:31:484 - k kd dk dkdkkkdkd dk kd dkddkkdkk kd dk dkddk dkd dk dk kddkdkdk/
05:37:131 - k kd dk dkdkkkdkd dkddk d d kdkkk ddk d k ddk d kddkddkd(kkkd)k(kddk)d/k 05:42:779 -

05:49:573 - I'd add a note here, since you're adressing the piano in this part and there is a 1/4 playing here


All in all I wanted your map to be less boring towards the end, since I had the impression that you got really lazy after your first kiai. If this was your intention though, the only thing I can say is that it would be a waste not to variate more when you can, bc your possibilities are literally endless, especially if it's kiai-time. Besides that I found your map to be pretty solid already, maybe after this mod you just have to look for a few more tweeks and optimizations (considering that you care to accept my bigger issues with your kiai, that is).

Note that I didn't give any suggestions on how you should change your patterns, bc I think this is something you should change yourself, as I'm pretty sure you're very able to do this yourself.

I hope I could somewhat help, and I really hope you can get this map ranked!
Topic Starter
Marm

Ak1o wrote:

Here for M4M!

Note that all of these are suggestions, so feel free to only accept what you really want to.

I'm also really, really obsessed with variations, so don't hang me if I tried to hard on this one, okay? :(

01:07:131 (56) - this don is really weird to me; I'd rather change this to a kat because of the very noticeable, high piano note Mm, I'd rather keep this as don as it has a better structure with the previous don 2/1 behind.

01:30:249 - maybe add a don here, I feel like this would help the ongoing flow a tad more than a (forced?) pause just for the sake of variation (if that was your intention) makes sense, added the don.

01:38:014 - I don't feel that there is a reason valid enough to justify this variation, it seems kinda out of place to me; I'd go with moving 01:38:102 (230) - to this red tick and maybe switch up some patterns instead (maybe something like kd kd on the first doublets and/or dk dk on the second, etc.). the finishers in this section should be enough to give a feeling of variety going on here. made a kdk triple instead, covering that gap.

01:48:955 (295) - I'd change this to a kat to amplify the pitch of the rising melody here Mm, I like the way it is right now, the k there would make too many kdkdk on the stream, which I don't like much.

01:54:073 - 02:16:661 - (first kiai):

I had fun analysing this part, so I just wanted to point out some things that came to my mind while doing so:
  1. patterning didn't really matter much to me, I noticed that you varied a lot here so I didn't bother to try and find more optimal stuff (all gucci if you want to call it like this)
  2. what I focused more on is the note placement tho. after quartering the kiai and playing around, I thought of something like this:
    1. since the song is relatively repetitive here, I think that the first and second quarter should play the same (or, at least, very very similar). there is not much lost when doing so, since you variated enough inside those quarters itself to sustain a relatively good flow.
    2. since you did variate a bit more in the third and fourth quarter overall, I don't think there is anything major that needs to be changed, at least not in comparison with the first half.
idk, I just wanted to give this a closer look, so I did. you can either care or not, but this is what I made to compare the parts:
SPOILER
01:54:073 - 1 8-- 5--/1 9---- 4---/1 2 5 2 1 /16------------/ 01:59:631 - 
01:59:720 - 1 8-- 2 2/10---- 5----/1 2 5 2 2-/16------------/ 02:05:279 -
02:05:367 - 1 2 5 2 2/9---- 1 4---/1 2 5 2 1 /1 2 2 8-------/ 02:10:926 -
02:11:014 - 1 2 5 2 2/1 2 4 1 1 1 /1 5 1 3 1 /8-----(3)2(3)2/ 02:16:573 -
02:16:661 - 1
by doing so I also just realized that the thing that bothers me the most is 02:03:867 (408) - this note; take everything I said above as reasoning to delete it (that was so much useless stuff only for that note haha holy shit) if I only were this productive with my uni stuff >.> thanks for that. I'll remove the note :p

03:24:426 - 03:47:014 - (second kiai):

I found this to be kind of lazy by you when comparing it to the first kiai, where you variated almost every bit of music although the song becomes very repetitive on its respective parts. I just think you could do a bit more in terms of patterning, since it's also noticeable while you're playing the map, which gives off a feeling of staleness (at least to me).

Again, this might be me just overanalyzing things, but this is what it looks like if you note it down:
SPOILER
03:24:426 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkd-kdd--k-kkd--d/ 03:29:984 - 
03:30:073 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkd-kdd--k-kkd--d/ 03:35:631 -
03:35:720 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkd-kdd--k-kkd--d/ 03:41:279 -
03:41:367 - k kkdkkkdk kd kkd kdddk dkddkdkkk ddk d k ddk d kddkddkd(kkkd)k(kddk)d/k 03:47:014 -

04:35:014 - 05:42:779 - (third kiai):

same thing as above, playing the same pattern over and over again gets kind of stale and boring after a while. imo it would suffice if you just changed the patternings of the second kiai and ctrl+v them over where the duplicated parts are. you can also leave the parts that are not copypasted as they are, since they fit into their respective section very well; the duplicated patterns are what bothers me the most.

Just so you can see what I mean:
SPOILER
04:35:014 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
04:40:661 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
04:46:308 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
04:51:955 - k kd dkkdk dk kkd kd kkkd d d d k ddkkd k ddk d kddkddkdkkdkdkkk/

04:57:602 - d kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:03:249 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:08:896 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:14:543 - k kkdkkkdk kd kkd kdddk dkddkdkkk ddk d k ddk d kddkddkd(kkkd)k(kddk)d/
05:20:190 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:25:837 - k kd kkdkdddkdkkd kddkkdkd dkkdkddkdkkddkdkdkdddkkdkkdkdkddkkkdd/
05:31:484 - k kd dk dkdkkkdkd dk kd dkddkkdkk kd dk dkddk dkd dk dk kddkdkdk/
05:37:131 - k kd dk dkdkkkdkd dkddk d d kdkkk ddk d k ddk d kddkddkd(kkkd)k(kddk)d/k 05:42:779 -

05:49:573 - I'd add a note here, since you're adressing the piano in this part and there is a 1/4 playing here okokok.


All in all I wanted your map to be less boring towards the end, since I had the impression that you got really lazy after your first kiai. If this was your intention though, the only thing I can say is that it would be a waste not to variate more when you can, bc your possibilities are literally endless, especially if it's kiai-time. Besides that I found your map to be pretty solid already, maybe after this mod you just have to look for a few more tweeks and optimizations (considering that you care to accept my bigger issues with your kiai, that is). eh, yeah I got quite lazy after the first kiai. I'll make changes here and there on the kiais to make it fun to play :p

Note that I didn't give any suggestions on how you should change your patterns, bc I think this is something you should change yourself, as I'm pretty sure you're very able to do this yourself. indeed xD

I hope I could somewhat help, and I really hope you can get this map ranked! yes! this was really helpful. I'll look over the repeated parts and make them gud.
Raytoly
I want to map it too
so hope you can ranked it:)
Your style and my style
Soon o/
SilverCatalyst
hi
m4m that's long overdue, very sorry about that
00:58:926 (27) - i think this should be k, dkk sounds better considering the piano is so high pitched
01:55:396 (333,334) - ctrl + g, pitch goes down
01:56:367 (343) - delet and add a d or k at 01:56:455 (343)
02:27:955 (574) - not a big deal, but i don't see a reason why this should be a finisher
03:30:867 (1123) - i think this is supposed to be 1/4 to the left
03:57:161 (1341,1342,1343,1344,1345) - uhhhhhhhhhh remap this part, they don't represent anything
04:57:602 - also not a big deal but i think the kiai should start here, or it should at least fade out and come back in at this point. i feel like it's a bit too long

i think the timing offset is supposed to be 1128 but i might be wrong
great map! hope to see you work on this again!
Topic Starter
Marm

SilverCatalyst wrote:

hi
m4m that's long overdue, very sorry about that
00:58:926 (27) - i think this should be k, dkk sounds better considering the piano is so high pitched I see, agree with that.
01:55:396 (333,334) - ctrl + g, pitch goes down
01:56:367 (343) - delet and add a d or k at 01:56:455 (343) ah, this is for variety. I'm having some trouble doing the kiais as I don't want them to be the same. It also flows quite well when playing so I'll keep it
02:27:955 (574) - not a big deal, but i don't see a reason why this should be a finisher tbh it actually looks weird. would make more sense with more finishers around it but since there isn't I'll remove it.
03:30:867 (1123) - i think this is supposed to be 1/4 to the left
03:57:161 (1341,1342,1343,1344,1345) - uhhhhhhhhhh remap this part, they don't represent anything I'll keep it for now unless it's actually really bad. It's a repetition of rhythm from 03:55:484 - to 03:56:720 - so it's very intuitive for the player to hit it as he/she just played that same rhythm.
04:57:602 - also not a big deal but i think the kiai should start here, or it should at least fade out and come back in at this point. i feel like it's a bit too long

i think the timing offset is supposed to be 1128 but i might be wrong aaaa I had doubt in this too. but listening closely to other parts of the map I can hear that even though the sound begins there, the heavy strong beat comes a bit later. might actually be 1128 or 1130 though
great map! hope to see you work on this again!
Topic Starter
Marm
changed last kiai 13/01/2018
Fallmorph
Hi! :)
Man, this map is amazing! I like it so much! I really can't find anything that can be changed.
There is only one suggestion:

01:06:025 (53,54) - move to white tick 01:06:069 (53) - like you made it here 00:54:775 (10,11).

No kds of course and GOOD LUCK WITH RANK IT! ~~~
Topic Starter
Marm

Fallmorph wrote:

Hi! :)
Man, this map is amazing! I like it so much! I really can't find anything that can be changed.
There is only one suggestion:

01:06:025 (53,54) - move to white tick 01:06:069 (53) - like you made it here 00:54:775 (10,11). adsadad thanks!

No kds of course and GOOD LUCK WITH RANK IT! ~~~
Ay thanks man
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