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schoolboy

Joined July 2016

Topic Starter

schoolboy 2017-12-03T13:21:47+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Lasse

Hard
00:16:302 (1) - I think it's better to have this as a circle since you're mapping the drums with 00:15:617 (1,2) . It would match the drums more and the pause would give more emphasis to the beat at 00:16:988 i prefer current one, works better with that noise

In the verse 00:27:959 to 00:38:931 , you have a lot of 1/2 sliders spams that don't follow the drums eg 00:28:817 (4,5,6,7,8) . If you're going to tell me that you're trying to follow the drums then I would say it doesn't really fit well since your rhythms follow the drums very closely before and after the 1/2 slider spams. For 00:27:959 (1) - you could try something like https://i.imgur.com/2fFFBpw.png Where the new rhythm has a sliderhead on every snare. There are a few ways to go about this but your current one isn't really nice. i focus on vocals here, not on drums.. tho i changed some moments here,
so should be better now

01:45:102 (1,2) - Snapping way too awkward for this diff. Better to just delete. 01:45:788 (3) - circle would fit nicer too a circle for the first one, keeping the second one since i kept 00:16:302 (1) -

01:11:159 (4) - I can't really explain why but when you have this as a slider ending on the white tick it takes away a lot of the emphasis from the final circle 01:11:845 (1) . Imho having 01:11:159 (4) - as a circle or an even longer slider like the top diff would fit better a circle now

02:16:302 (1,2,3) - rhythm suggestion https://i.imgur.com/oSeUwc6.png sure

01:43:388 (1) - the double reverse plays a bit awkward and no one is really going to expect it ok

Normal
Err, This is pretty much an advanced (the rhythm feels like a hard in some places). If you want me to push this forward you would have to be willing to nerf the rhythm in places, especially the verses. nerfed

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-05T22:35:14+00:00

ok about the rhythm in your normal. It's mostly the density but it also could be a nicer step up from the easy. Try not to have long sequences like 01:59:159 (7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) . Adding a few 1/1 gaps every now and then really helps. Also I don't really want to see 3 1/2 sliders next to each other like 00:24:188 (6,7,8) or if you're going to use it, use it sparingly. Also

00:49:902 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - This rhythm is perfect so use this as a basis
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other stuff
01:10:817 (4) - delete reverse
02:29:331 (6,1) - don't have beat gaps < 1/2
[]ok celerih is about to go on hiatus soon so I'll be checking this as much as possible so he can qualify it immediately after my bubble

schoolboy

571 posts

Joined July 2016

Topic Starter

schoolboy 2017-12-06T12:20:25+00:00

i kept 3 1/2s only in verses since i cant really think of a rhythm that would work with vocals as well as the current one
other than that i think i should satisfy u with my changes

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-06T18:19:04+00:00

Easy

00:43:559 (5) - This beat is incredibly weak, it would make it much easier to follow this if you incoperated it in a slider. something like this https://i.imgur.com/YdwgUF8.png The slider repeat is where 5 used to be
01:09:102 (1) - You can have map this as a 2/1 slider if you want to map the held vocals
01:00:874 to 01:06:359 - A few things. First off I would like some more consistency between the 2 measures here. Second the way you've mapped a 2/1 slider on 01:02:245 makes me think you're trying to map the vocals and if you're doing that there is a better way, since the vocals are actually on the red tick. Here is an example rhythm https://i.imgur.com/excUSZb.png . The measures are more consistent here and to the vocals more accurately. Also if you really want to make the drum rolls stand out at 01:05:674 you can try https://i.imgur.com/2DwqOE7.png or https://i.imgur.com/2wtcKgo.png
02:13:559 (1,2,3,4) - I going to suggest to delete these objects and extending the break for several reasons. This goes for other kiais too
A longer resting break would be quite nice for beginners to sit back and regain a little.
This object 02:18:359 (4) doesn't play too well as it comes from a long break from 3 and it takes away a lot of emphasis from the downbeat 02:19:045 (1) 02:14:931 (3,4) - the long gap between these objects skews hp
02:13:559 (1,2,3) - this rhythm follows the vocals really weakly
And lastly I just think it would fit the music better
02:40:988 (5) - Deleting this would create a nice break before the final kiai
02:47:159 (4) - 2 circles here would be nice for variety and to map the drums
03:06:702 (1) - Really weird rhythmically the way you mapped the downbeat with a slider end when you haven't dont it elsewhere. It flows really awkwardly
Parts like 00:16:988 to 00:27:959 - I find the rhythm you've used in these sections a bit awkward because of the varying different snaps you've used. Also it incoperates a few big drum sounds but misses out on the big drum snare which is way more audible than the kick. Maybe you could use something like this repeating https://i.imgur.com/AF4RfUn.png ? These parts are quite tricky to map rhythmically for an easy but you're way is too complex imo for an absolute beginner

Normal

Komore wrote:
i kept 3 1/2s only in verses since i cant really think of a rhythm that would work with vocals as well as the current one
other than that i think i should satisfy u with my changes

for the first 2 you can turn the last 1/2 slider into a 1/1 slider.
for the last one you can do this 00:43:045 (4) - https://i.imgur.com/dX3VRjV.png

Other stuff

01:56:759 (5) - turning this into a circle would give more emphasis to the downbeat as it would remove the passive beat on the red tick
02:34:131 (4) - rhythm suggestion ~ https://i.imgur.com/A41tubG.png
03:02:588 (2) - for this you can turn this into a circle if you want to get rid of the 3 successive 1/2 sliders, because 03:02:931 (3,4) - have drum beats on the end
Some of your combo lengths are different like 03:04:302 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) . So check over the map and make your NC lengths consistent and tell me why you have different lengths in some places

FCL

FCL wrote:
Kisses wrote:
02:07:902 (2,3) - can you use the same spacing as 02:07:731 (1,2) - so the snapping wouldn't be misread? Something like https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9598754 would fit in with the structure of the whole pattern 02:06:874 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3) - the song moves to a more relaxed pace. 02:07:731 (1) - sounds more stronger than 2-3. I think it good fits for a song, and shouldn't create a some missreads

It's not that relaxed, I'd say it's even arguably as strong given the way there's a semi strong finish in the song and hitsounding. It's really enough to make a player assume that the same spacing has suddenly become a different beat snapping given that there are no abrupt changes in the song. If you really dont want to change the spacing then having 02:08:074 (3) - NC'd would definitely help.
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Komore wrote:
💋💋💋💋 wrote:
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00:49:217 (1) - ctrl g? Would give it a stronger emphasis if it flowed in the opposite direction this fix requires some adjustments for the further patterns and i dont really want to touch them since i really like them actually =\
thanks 💋💋💋💋

I actually didn't think you would need to alter anything after ctrl + g and that it would play just fine. Though if you don't want to change it that's fine ~
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Do you have a source?

FCL

1,478 posts

Joined July 2014

FCL 2017-12-06T19:28:53+00:00

nc has been added

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schoolboy

571 posts

Joined July 2016

Topic Starter

schoolboy 2017-12-06T19:49:28+00:00

why mapping normal is so hard
done all there anyway

also in extra i agree that ctrl +g wont affect gameplay anyhow but it will kinda affect visuals which isnt cool imo
so keeping this i guess
changed 2 shapes tho

thanks
http://www.oneokrock.com/jp/music/649 metadata

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-06T20:23:40+00:00

alrite, guess we're waiting on easy. Poke me you're ready

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 2017-12-06T20:42:55+00:00

Kisses wrote:
Easy
00:43:559 (5) - This beat is incredibly weak, it would make it much easier to follow this if you incoperated it in a slider. something like this https://i.imgur.com/YdwgUF8.png The slider repeat is where 5 used to be i just wanted to not repeat that like 3 times in a row? like 00:40:302 (4) - and 00:45:788 (4) - does that already, and as sliders are not as good as breaks as circles with a bigger gap, i'd prefer to keep this one if possible
01:09:102 (1) - You can have map this as a 2/1 slider if you want to map the held vocals i don't feel like the vocal holds the word "now" this much and not really fitting in my opinion, also works as rest and stuff (i know 01:04:988 (3,4) - also does the work but i like some)

01:00:874 to 01:06:359 - A few things. First off I would like some more consistency between the 2 measures here. Second the way you've mapped a 2/1 slider on 01:02:245 makes me think you're trying to map the vocals and if you're doing that there is a better way, since the vocals are actually on the red tick. Here is an example rhythm https://i.imgur.com/excUSZb.png . The measures are more consistent here and to the vocals more accurately. Also if you really want to make the drum rolls stand out at 01:05:674 you can try https://i.imgur.com/2DwqOE7.png or https://i.imgur.com/2wtcKgo.png

rhythm are consistent between the two measures doe, i just decided to change some sliders to circles and vice versa, i don't feel like it is a bad thing to do or something like that, you can drop your opinion here too but i just don't feel like changing it would do something else. Also about 01:02:245 (4) - i followed the guitar change and it seems fitting, i didn't try to follow the vocal cuz red tick here would not be the best option imo. Honestly i didn't really get ur third point here, the prints were a bit confusing to understand since 01:05:674 (4,5,1) - is pretty much vocals and i saw nothing covering the downbeat on your print so i went tilt mode
02:13:559 (1,2,3,4) - I going to suggest to delete these objects and extending the break for several reasons. This goes for other kiais too
A longer resting break would be quite nice for beginners to sit back and regain a little.
This object 02:18:359 (4) doesn't play too well as it comes from a long break from 3 and it takes away a lot of emphasis from the downbeat 02:19:045 (1) 02:14:931 (3,4) - the long gap between these objects skews hp
02:13:559 (1,2,3) - this rhythm follows the vocals really weakly
And lastly I just think it would fit the music better

yea i agree with you that players needs a rest, although i don't feel like ignoring vocals would be a cool thing since the break climax changes on 02:13:559 - cuz background vocal starts (which definitely doesn't fit the music better to continue a break i guess?), also 02:13:559 (1,2,3) - is like 3 sliders and then another long break on 02:16:302 -, so yea maybe breaking the song climax wouldn't be the best choice for just this reason.
Also, i've tested the hp on editor, and the hp loss is minimal as far as i could see
I also can't agree that 02:13:559 (1,2,3) - follows the vocal in a bad way, 02:13:559 (1) - head and tail has a real impact, just note the syllables, also 02:14:931 (2) - this covers the background vocal and the main one, since head, reverse and tail has important tonic syllable too, same goes for 02:18:359 (3) - and so on.
02:40:988 (5) - Deleting this would create a nice break before the final kiai this sound is really important to me to just ignore
02:47:159 (4) - 2 circles here would be nice for variety and to map the drums ok
03:06:702 (1) - Really weird rhythmically the way you mapped the downbeat with a slider end when you haven't dont it elsewhere. It flows really awkwardly fixed
Parts like 00:16:988 to 00:27:959 - I find the rhythm you've used in these sections a bit awkward because of the varying different snaps you've used. Also it incoperates a few big drum sounds but misses out on the big drum snare which is way more audible than the kick. Maybe you could use something like this repeating https://i.imgur.com/AF4RfUn.png ? These parts are quite tricky to map rhythmically for an easy but you're way is too complex imo for an absolute beginner

uuh i don't thing we should just blindly follow white ticks, i always keep in mind the rule that at least 1/1 gaps should be used, but if an important sound goes through a red one, i simply switch with a slider tail and then the 1/1 gap continues perfectly, that's not really a big deal and it's only used so the players can have a better musical experience during their gameplays. I've done that on easies before and none of these were a trouble or something like that, so i guess we are safe

Looks like we have some conflicting points, so i'll be waiting for your response se we can reach an agreement
And sorry if i look rude, everytime i don't agree with some points people think i'm mad and idk why, i'm sorry if i look like that and that's not my intention in the first place

sadboy

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schoolboy

571 posts

Joined July 2016

Topic Starter

schoolboy 2017-12-06T20:47:56+00:00

g
edit forgot to say, i decided to revert celerih suggestion for 02:12:874 - since i kinda disliked how that worked
another music part starts here 02:13:559 - so even if i map vocals i should start mapping there and not on 02:12:874 - because otherwise there is no sense in break which separates 2 different parts

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-07T00:34:47+00:00

Easy

01:30:874 (1) - 1/2 sliders like these come off are so short they come off more difficult for an absolute beginner. To get rid of this one you can try having 01:29:674 (3) - as a reverse slider or something similar. The slider at the end of the map is fine tho 03:14:588 (4) -
00:30:531 (5) - ^
00:36:017 (5) - ^
01:26:759 (3) -
01:22:131 (5) - Having this as a circle would represent the music a lot better imo. Since the percussion and everything stops after this beat having objects stop too would match
03:09:445 (5) - Deleting this would represent the drum roll and pause after it well imo

Trynna wrote:
Kisses wrote:
Easy
00:43:559 (5) - This beat is incredibly weak, it would make it much easier to follow this if you incoperated it in a slider. something like this https://i.imgur.com/YdwgUF8.png The slider repeat is where 5 used to be i just wanted to not repeat that like 3 times in a row? like 00:40:302 (4) - and 00:45:788 (4) - does that already, and as sliders are not as good as breaks as circles with a bigger gap, i'd prefer to keep this one if possible

Sorry I just can't accept this. I'm following the rhythm and I just don't see it as natural or intuitive enough this to be ok for a beginner. The beat is just too minor and switches in between layers too much. The other reverses sliders are quite apart from this so I don't see it as being bland if you took my suggestion. Ofc you're free to try your own thing in it's place

Trynna

714 posts

Joined May 2013

Trynna 2017-12-07T01:31:51+00:00

ok no need to a response, everything was fully adressed
thank you, kisses

i hope my remap didn't fuk the colorhax up, i've tried to fix everything doe
also no hitsound issues, i've copied stuff again

edit: removed notes on 02:13:559 - till 02:18:359 - since Kisses explained me better why it would be cool and makes sense. Also NC'd 01:31:045 (1) - as we talked irc

komore save the world v2

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gl komore

_handholding

3,109 posts

Joined April 2014

_handholding 2017-12-07T18:29:50+00:00

Source here for those interested --> http://www.oneokrock.com/jp/music/649

Trynna wrote:
gl komore

celerih

617 posts

Joined July 2014

celerih 2017-12-08T03:58:13+00:00

Due to some personal stuff/final exams I won't be able to recheck this until at the very least the 12th, but probably to the 15th. I'm incredibly sorry for the delay, but I just don't have the time/energy to check this

schoolboy

571 posts

Joined July 2016

Topic Starter

schoolboy 2017-12-08T04:28:13+00:00

np, take your time

schoolboy

571 posts

Joined July 2016

Topic Starter

schoolboy 2017-12-11T19:38:50+00:00

y are u denying kisses kds?
since mv2 started providing them i think its too unfair to give only one kudos for a whole mod