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Matsuda Akito - After After [Taiko]

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Rossi
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Tuesday, 14 August, 2018 at 22:38:12

Artist: Matsuda Akito
Title: After After
Source: ディーふらぐ!
Tags: ゲーム製作部CD(仮)~サントラ② game seisakubu cd (kari) ~ sound track 2 d-frag d-fragments fdjv yuzu__rinrin tyistiana
BPM: 185
Filesize: 7377kb
Play Time: 01:25
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.32 stars, 243 notes)
  2. Muzukashii (3.09 stars, 366 notes)
  3. Oni (3.83 stars, 488 notes)
  4. Tyis' Kantan (1.54 stars, 121 notes)
  5. yzrin's Inner Oni (4.71 stars, 582 notes)
Download: Matsuda Akito - After After
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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3rd Taiko Map

Tyis' Kantan by Tyistiana
yzrin's Inner Oni by yuzu__rinrin

Find mania version here
BG by [Exotica]


yuzu__rinrin
hi~ done my Inner diff! :)

https://puu.sh/y3xbF.zip

add tag "yuzu__rinrin" please~ ></
Topic Starter
Rossi

yuzu__rinrin wrote:

hi~ done my Inner diff! :)

https://puu.sh/y3xbF.zip

add tag "yuzu__rinrin" please~ ></
wow,, so fast xD thank you yzrin~ ^^/
update
Diva Days


[ General]

i think current offset isn't match on song, 560 is correct.

+ last kiai time is under 5 secs, i recommend to delete.

[ Muzukashii]

00:01:380 (4) - i think it's fine to delete this since there's no note at 00:03:975
00:06:569 (21) - ^

00:18:083 (70),(71) - did it for variety or mistake?
00:20:191 (78) - ^
00:20:840 - this triple kats should be dons as 00:10:624 also don't forgot change (85) to don

00:26:515 (108) - change to d as (97), u might mistake.
00:29:759 - blank for what? it's break note following. add don please
00:31:046 - and this triple dons should be kats as sound, also don't forgot change (129) to kat

- kiai time


add D at 00:42:245 and (178)-(186) should be added finisher all as u did it on second kiai part. it's wrong not did that here.

00:45:326 - ^
00:47:272 - ^
00:49:218 - ^
00:51:894 (223) - it could be delete cuz many finishers here, but this is muzu so should be deleted.
00:53:759 - change to K, same sound as (245)
00:54:488 (236) - same as 00:51:894 (223)
00:57:083 (249) - ^
00:58:299 - KDK DDK
00:59:678 (262) - same as 00:51:894 (223)
01:00:245 - KDK KDK KDD

01:02:840 -


01:08:515 - move to 01:08:678 and delete 01:09:164
01:11:272 - same as 00:29:759
01:13:218 -


01:16:299 - same as 01:08:515
01:19:542 - add kat and delete 01:19:867
01:21:651 -


01:23:597 -


should be added finisher all.

i'm out of time now, i'll re-check Futsuu or Oni later.
Topic Starter
Rossi

Diva Days wrote:

From Queue (i forgot image...)


[ General]

i think current offset isn't match on song, 560 is correct. I think my offset is good. But I will accept what you say xD

+ last kiai time is under 5 secs, i recommend to delete. Want to keep it. If some modder have a same opinion, I will fix that

[ Muzukashii]

00:01:380 (4) - i think it's fine to delete this since there's no note at 00:03:975 Fixed
00:06:569 (21) - ^ ^

00:18:083 (70),(71) - did it for variety or mistake? I make it variety, think its emphasize, maybe
00:20:191 (78) - ^
00:20:840 - this triple kats should be dons as 00:10:624 also don't forgot change (85) to don I fixed that, but did (85) you mean is 00:21:154 (83) - ?

00:26:515 (108) - change to d as (97), u might mistake. No, I put it k but still waiting for modder (your) opinion for this xD
00:29:759 - blank for what? it's break note following. add don please Think to keep it, actually I dont know how to tell why I make it blank xD
00:31:046 - and this triple dons should be kats as sound, also don't forgot change (129) to kat Thinking about this

- kiai time


add D at 00:42:245 and (178)-(186) should be added finisher all as u did it on second kiai part. it's wrong not did that here. too many note if I add note at 00:42:235 - ? Because have triplet at 00:41:424 (170,171,172,173,174,175) -

00:45:326 - ^
00:47:272 - ^
00:49:218 - ^
00:51:894 (223) - it could be delete cuz many finishers here, but this is muzu so should be deleted.
00:53:759 - change to K, same sound as (245) I make it D because want to make it heard from low beat to high beat
00:54:488 (236) - same as 00:51:894 (223)
00:57:083 (249) - ^
00:58:299 - KDK DDK Fixed
00:59:678 (262) - same as 00:51:894 (223)
01:00:245 - KDK KDK KDD Fixed

01:02:840 -


01:08:515 - move to 01:08:678 and delete 01:09:164
01:11:272 - same as 00:29:759 I have same reason too xD
01:13:218 -


01:16:299 - same as 01:08:515
01:19:542 - add kat and delete 01:19:867
01:21:651 -


01:23:597 -


should be added finisher all.

i'm out of time now, i'll re-check Futsuu or Oni later.
Thanks for your mod :) so helpful <3 some mod that not have my comment is still in process
Protonori
From my modding queue~

[Kantan]
00:48:560 (72) - Change to d? You did this at 00:58:938.
01:05:425 (93) - Use k instead?

[Futsuu]
00:04:127 (9) - Change to d? It inverts the last pattern kdk.
00:09:316 (20) - ^

[Muzukashii]
00:04:451 (15,16,17) - Use dkd or kdk? I think it fits better since the pitch is high-low-high.
00:09:640 (32) - ^
00:11:100 and 00:11:181 - Add k? You did this at 00:16:289 and it sounds the same to me.
00:22:451 (89) - d?
00:28:938 (117) - k?
00:31:857 and 00:31:938 - Add k? Same reasoning as 00:11:100.
00:46:776 (196) - Change to k?
01:01:532 (266,267,268) - All K? It sounds like the same pitch to me.

[Oni]
00:04:451 (17,18,19,20) - Try kkd k instead?
00:18:154 (87) - Move to 00:17:992 and change 00:18:235 to d? The current pattern sounds strange to me. [Probably because you used dkkd at 00:13:046 (58,59,60,61)].

00:21:641 - I think this section needs more breaks. Maybe try something like:
00:23:424 (118) - Delete.
00:26:019 (135) - ^
00:28:614 (152) - ^

00:38:911 (214) - Same suggestion as 00:18:154.
00:41:424 - This is just a suggestion, but shouldn't you use something easier since this isn't Inner Oni? Maybe try kkddkdk.
00:44:019 - Use the same pattern as 00:46:614? You did this with 00:49:208 and 00:51:803.
00:54:397 - ^

Good luck with ranking this! :)
Marm
nm from queue

Mm, last kiai doesn't make sense, it's just a place that's good for finishers, not the chorus or anything, and lasting less than 2 seconds is just awkward.
yzrin inner
  1. 00:08:181 (38) - the pitch gets really low here, you could change to don.

    ooo looking good, very consistent overall, gj.

oni
  1. 00:04:614 (19,20) - invert those as 20 is similar to 17 and there's even a clap sound there. you could maybe change only note 20 to kat if you want.
  2. 00:09:803 (39,40) - same as above as it's just copy and paste.
  3. 00:31:046 (166,167,168,169,170) - kkkkd fits better than ddddk as the "telephone" sound is high pitch and the last sound is going down in intensity if you listen to it.
  4. 00:44:019 (243,244,245,246,247) - this and parts similar to this are inconsistent with yz diff as the inner diff has only simple kdkdk and dkdkd patterns and oni has more complex patterns. have a dialogue between you two and try to fix this, shouldn't be hard tbh.

muzu
  1. 00:04:614 (16,17) - invert for the same reason as oni.
  2. 00:09:803 (33,34) - ^
  3. 00:31:046 (124,125,126) - same as oni, change to kat.
  4. 00:42:073 - during the first half of the kiai you didn't place any triples, however in the last half you did even though the intensity nor the melody changed. You should choose to keep the whole kiai with or without the triple notes.

futsuu
  1. 00:04:776 (11) - kat for the same reason as the previous diffs
  2. 00:09:965 (22) - ^
  3. 00:14:830 (34,35) - ctrl+g to not break the d k d k d 1/1 rhythm, the 3/2 note after it still goes ok so don't worry about that. muzu and oni are okay with this change because the excess of notes cover it with other artificial rhythms that work, but futsuu doesn't have that excess.
  4. 00:20:019 (48,49) - ^
  5. 00:35:587 (91,92) - ^
  6. 00:40:776 (105,106) - ^
  7. 00:42:073 - the same thing I said on muzu goes for futsuu, make the kiai structure more consistent as the first and second halves are similar in the song but very different in the map.
  8. 01:18:073 - missing note here breaks the d k d k d 1/1 rhythm, place a kat here and maybe change 01:17:748 (206) - to don if want to avoid the repetition of kats.

kantan
  1. try to find some places for 4/1 breaks after 00:21:316 - as there's a very long continuous section of mapping without it (next break is only at 00:35:587 - ) and it's necessary on kantan diffs.
  2. 01:11:911 - this section is way too dense and without 4/1 breaks, try to nerf the amount of notes here.
  3. 01:23:262 (125) - this note fits better at 01:22:938 - as it's the beginning of the new drum sound, being more notable than 01:23:262 - which is jujst in the middle of it.

that's it from me, good luck on this set o/
yuzu__rinrin

Marm wrote:

nm from queue

Mm, last kiai doesn't make sense, it's just a place that's good for finishers, not the chorus or anything, and lasting less than 2 seconds is just awkward.
yzrin inner
  1. 00:08:181 (38) - the pitch gets really low here, you could change to don.
    no, for consistency 00:02:992 -

    ooo looking good, very consistent overall, gj.

that's it from me, good luck on this set o/
Thanks modding~ :D
Topic Starter
Rossi

Protonori wrote:

From my modding queue~

[Kantan]
00:48:560 (72) - Change to d? You did this at 00:58:938. You right. Fixed
01:05:425 (93) - Use k instead? Fixed

[Futsuu]
00:04:127 (9) - Change to d? It inverts the last pattern kdk. Fixed
00:09:316 (20) - ^ ^

[Muzukashii]
00:04:451 (15,16,17) - Use dkd or kdk? I think it fits better since the pitch is high-low-high. use kdk fixed
00:09:640 (32) - ^
00:11:100 and 00:11:181 - Add k? You did this at 00:16:289 and it sounds the same to me. is triplet 00:16:289 - is able to play? I think to remove that triplet ._.
00:22:451 (89) - d? Fixed
00:28:938 (117) - k? Fixed
00:31:857 and 00:31:938 - Add k? Same reasoning as 00:11:100. I have same reason too ^
00:46:776 (196) - Change to k? Thinking about this
01:01:532 (266,267,268) - All K? It sounds like the same pitch to me. hmm,, maybe you right. Same with yzrin Inner for this

[Oni]
00:04:451 (17,18,19,20) - Try kkd k instead? Fixed
00:18:154 (87) - Move to 00:17:992 and change 00:18:235 to d? The current pattern sounds strange to me. [Probably because you used dkkd at 00:13:046 (58,59,60,61)]. Looking good

00:21:641 - I think this section needs more breaks. Maybe try something like: yeah I think it too but I dont know what note that will I delete xD I will delete it
00:23:424 (118) - Delete.
00:26:019 (135) - ^
00:28:614 (152) - ^

00:38:911 (214) - Same suggestion as 00:18:154. Fixed
00:41:424 - This is just a suggestion, but shouldn't you use something easier since this isn't Inner Oni? Maybe try kkddkdk. Fixed
00:44:019 - Use the same pattern as 00:46:614? You did this with 00:49:208 and 00:51:803. I see,, I forgot it xD
00:54:397 - ^ ^

Good luck with ranking this! :) yeah :)
Wow, thank for mod xD so helpful, but just 1 kudos,, why..




Marm wrote:

nm from queue

Mm, last kiai doesn't make sense, it's just a place that's good for finishers, not the chorus or anything, and lasting less than 2 seconds is just awkward.

oni
  1. 00:04:614 (19,20) - invert those as 20 is similar to 17 and there's even a clap sound there. you could maybe change only note 20 to kat if you want. Fixed
  2. 00:09:803 (39,40) - same as above as it's just copy and paste. Fixed
  3. 00:31:046 (166,167,168,169,170) - kkkkd fits better than ddddk as the "telephone" sound is high pitch and the last sound is going down in intensity if you listen to it. Fixed
  4. 00:44:019 (243,244,245,246,247) - this and parts similar to this are inconsistent with yz diff as the inner diff has only simple kdkdk and dkdkd patterns and oni has more complex patterns. have a dialogue between you two and try to fix this, shouldn't be hard tbh.

muzu
  1. 00:04:614 (16,17) - invert for the same reason as oni. Fixed
  2. 00:09:803 (33,34) - ^ ^
  3. 00:31:046 (124,125,126) - same as oni, change to kat. Fixed
  4. 00:42:073 - during the first half of the kiai you didn't place any triples, however in the last half you did even though the intensity nor the melody changed. You should choose to keep the whole kiai with or without the triple notes. Actually I not too understand, but I will do something about this

futsuu
  1. 00:04:776 (11) - kat for the same reason as the previous diffs Fixed
  2. 00:09:965 (22) - ^ ^
  3. 00:14:830 (34,35) - ctrl+g to not break the d k d k d 1/1 rhythm, the 3/2 note after it still goes ok so don't worry about that. muzu and oni are okay with this change because the excess of notes cover it with other artificial rhythms that work, but futsuu doesn't have that excess. ah you know it xD
  4. 00:20:019 (48,49) - ^
  5. 00:35:587 (91,92) - ^
  6. 00:40:776 (105,106) - ^
  7. 00:42:073 - the same thing I said on muzu goes for futsuu, make the kiai structure more consistent as the first and second halves are similar in the song but very different in the map. actually I not too understand ._.
  8. 01:18:073 - missing note here breaks the d k d k d 1/1 rhythm, place a kat here and maybe change 01:17:748 (206) - to don if want to avoid the repetition of kats. I change with other style

kantan
  1. try to find some places for 4/1 breaks after 00:21:316 - as there's a very long continuous section of mapping without it (next break is only at 00:35:587 - ) and it's necessary on kantan diffs. ok
  2. 01:11:911 - this section is way too dense and without 4/1 breaks, try to nerf the amount of notes here. ok
  3. 01:23:262 (125) - this note fits better at 01:22:938 - as it's the beginning of the new drum sound, being more notable than 01:23:262 - which is jujst in the middle of it. Nice xD

that's it from me, good luck on this set o/
Wow, thank for mod xD so helpful, but just 1 kudos,, why..

all diff updated
Diva Days
[ Futsuu]

00:25:695 (60),(61) - swap this, (61) should follow (62)'s kat sound
00:52:451 ~ 01:01:857 - better change like u did before, those finishes are strange.
01:06:599 (164),(165) - same as 00:25:695 (60),(61)
01:23:587 - D_k_D_k is better

*Do not give kudos in this post
Topic Starter
Rossi

Diva Days wrote:

[ Futsuu]

00:25:695 (60),(61) - swap this, (61) should follow (62)'s kat sound Fixed
00:52:451 ~ 01:01:857 - better change like u did before, those finishes are strange. eh,, I think I not make change from this
01:06:599 (164),(165) - same as 00:25:695 (60),(61) Fixed
01:23:587 - D_k_D_k is better Fixed

*Do not give kudos in this post
Thanks for mod again :)
all diff up to date
ASPIRIN

hello there



the mod
[yzrin's Inner Oni]
  1. 00:00:803 (3) - change to d
  2. 00:02:749 - i hear lost sound here
  3. 00:05:992 (27) - change to d
  4. 00:11:100 (53,54,55) - invert colors
  5. 00:12:397 (63) - change to k
  6. 00:15:316 (87) - change to K
  7. 00:20:992 (130) - change to d
  8. 00:21:478 (133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143) - change to kkddkkddkkd
  9. 00:22:614 (145) - change to k
  10. 00:22:776 - lost sound
  11. 00:24:073 (154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164) - change to kkddkkddkdk
  12. 00:26:667 (175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185) - ^
  13. 00:29:262 (196,197,198,199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206) - ^
  14. 00:27:641 (186) - color=#0040FF]k[/color]
  15. 00:28:127 (188,189) - ctrl + g
  16. 00:30:559 - maybe lost sound
  17. 00:41:424 (291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299) - change to ddkkddkkd
  18. 00:44:505 (313,314) - invert colors
  19. 00:47:100 (328,329) - ^ (and same moments....)
  20. 01:03:235 (421,422) - ctrl + g
  21. 01:13:532 (493,494,495,496,497) - ddkdk
Sorry, i can't mod this song more. This music is killing my brain.
Good luck! <3
yuzu__rinrin

ASPIRIN wrote:

hello there



the mod
[yzrin's Inner Oni]
  1. 00:00:803 (3) - change to d
  2. 00:02:749 - i hear lost sound here
  3. 00:05:992 (27) - change to d
  4. 00:11:100 (53,54,55) - invert colors
  5. 00:12:397 (63) - change to k
  6. 00:15:316 (87) - change to K
  7. 00:20:992 (130) - change to d
  8. 00:21:478 (133,134,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143) - change to kkddkkddkkd
  9. 00:22:614 (145) - change to k
  10. 00:22:776 - lost sound
  11. 00:24:073 (154,155,156,157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164) - change to kkddkkddkdk
  12. 00:26:667 (175,176,177,178,179,180,181,182,183,184,185) - ^
  13. 00:29:262 (196,197,198,199,200,201,202,203,204,205,206) - ^
  14. 00:27:641 (186) - color=#0040FF]k[/color]
  15. 00:28:127 (188,189) - ctrl + g
  16. 00:30:559 - maybe lost sound
  17. 00:41:424 (291,292,293,294,295,296,297,298,299) - change to ddkkddkkd
  18. 00:44:505 (313,314) - invert colors
  19. 00:47:100 (328,329) - ^ (and same moments....)
  20. 01:03:235 (421,422) - ctrl + g
  21. 01:13:532 (493,494,495,496,497) - ddkdk
I tried it all.
all no changed, Because it is a flat map with no flow or variation.


Sorry, i can't mod this song more. This music is killing my brain.
Good luck! <3
Thanks modding~
Raytoly
yo NM form my modding queue
I think Kantan,Futsuu look good for me
Muzukashii
01:10:451 add ddd?
Oni
seem fine
yzrin's Inner Oni
00:01:370 from here try my pattern.I hear many 1/4

00:03:559 add d
00:04:046 and 00:04:532 add k
00:06:559 ^ seem here too.you can change some pattern
00:22:532 add k
00:25:046 change to kdk or dkd
00:27:722 ^
00:30:235 ^
01:08:830 how about change to dkd and 01:09:154 change to k
01:19:203 ^
simple map
good luck~~~ I'm not good for map low diffi @e@ sad
yuzu__rinrin

Cocoaaa wrote:

yo NM form my modding queue
I think Kantan,Futsuu look good for me

yzrin's Inner Oni
00:01:370 from here try my pattern.I hear many 1/4

00:03:559 add d
00:04:046 and 00:04:532 add k
00:06:559 ^ seem here too.you can change some pattern
over mapping

00:22:532 add k
00:25:046 change to kdk or dkd
00:27:722 ^
00:30:235 ^
Because we have arranged Notes according to the sound of Drum

01:08:830 how about change to dkd and 01:09:154 change to k
01:19:203 ^

Though I get the impression that ddk is a lot, I am planning to change with 1/2.
simple map
good luck~~~ I'm not good for map low diffi @e@ sad
Thanks modding~
Topic Starter
Rossi

Cocoaaa wrote:

yo NM form my modding queue
I think Kantan,Futsuu look good for me
Muzukashii
01:10:451 add ddd? I think no
Oni
seem fine

simple map
good luck~~~ I'm not good for map low diffi @e@ sad
Late update xD
Thanks for mod Cocoaaa
kiminokokoro
from Komodo chan's queue

disable the Widescreen Support in Oni, Futsuu and Kantan

Oni
01:09:235 (379) - move to 01:08:911 , and change to d
01:10:370 - add a k ?
01:16:532 - add a d ?

good luck
Topic Starter
Rossi

kiminokokoro wrote:

from Komodo chan's queue

disable the Widescreen Support in Oni, Futsuu and Kantan Forget to disable this xD ok

Oni
01:09:235 (379) - move to 01:08:911 , and change to d looking good, fixed
01:10:370 - add a k ? ok
01:16:532 - add a d ? ok

good luck
thanks for mod kokoro-chan :)
Benjamaster
Hi! Here's my M4M :3

Kantan:

00:04:127 (4) and 00:09:316 (9) - I'd move these each forward a beat to the big white ticks. It makes the pattern simpler for players at this level and matches up more with the three high notes each time.
00:43:046 (63,64,66,67,69,70,72,73) - Moving these back one beat follows the feel of the song more closely and is simpler for a kantan diff. You might want to leave the patterns in the second half of the kiai time the way they are for contrast (since they are following the percussion).
01:24:884 (119) - Same as above, move back a beat (lands on the big white tick) to follow the feel of the song more closely, as opposed to the syncopated percussion.
01:17:100 (107,108,109) - Having this be 3 kats in a row feels weird since you haven't done that anywhere else. Don-kat-don matches the song better.

Futsuu:

00:28:938 (84) - I'd make this a don to better fit the music and differentiate from 00:26:181 (74,75,76) which has more emphasis on the first 2 notes.
01:07:208 (195) - Only a suggestion, but making this a don seems to follow the emphasis of the song a little better (though it works fine as-is, whichever sounds better to you)

Muzukashii:

00:36:722 (165) - I'd maybe make this a kat (it seems to match the music a little better)
01:19:695 (379,380,381,382,383,384,385) - Maybe try kdkddkk here to follow the melody a little more?

Overall very nice job :)
Topic Starter
Rossi

Benjamaster wrote:

Hi! Here's my M4M :3

Kantan:

00:04:127 (4) and 00:09:316 (9) - I'd move these each forward a beat to the big white ticks. It makes the pattern simpler for players at this level and matches up more with the three high notes each time. Fixed
00:43:046 (63,64,66,67,69,70,72,73) - Moving these back one beat follows the feel of the song more closely and is simpler for a kantan diff. You might want to leave the patterns in the second half of the kiai time the way they are for contrast (since they are following the percussion). Nice xD Fix with some change
01:24:884 (119) - Same as above, move back a beat (lands on the big white tick) to follow the feel of the song more closely, as opposed to the syncopated percussion. Fixed
01:17:100 (107,108,109) - Having this be 3 kats in a row feels weird since you haven't done that anywhere else. Don-kat-don matches the song better. Fixed

Futsuu:

00:28:938 (84) - I'd make this a don to better fit the music and differentiate from 00:26:181 (74,75,76) which has more emphasis on the first 2 notes. ok
01:07:208 (195) - Only a suggestion, but making this a don seems to follow the emphasis of the song a little better (though it works fine as-is, whichever sounds better to you) hmm,, maybe this is ok

Muzukashii:

00:36:722 (165) - I'd maybe make this a kat (it seems to match the music a little better) Fixed
01:19:695 (379,380,381,382,383,384,385) - Maybe try kdkddkk here to follow the melody a little more? For now will change this

Overall very nice job :)
Thanks for your mod :)
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