Gorgeous streams towards end! 10/10. PM me when ur ready for mods and i'll gladly mod it!
Thanks for the mod!
-Faded- wrote:Hey, m4m from your queue!
- Your soft-sliderslide99 is unused, which goes against the ranking criteria as it states that you mustn't have any useless files in the beatmap folder. Good catch. Mistake on my part, not necessary to have sliderslide99 when I only use 99 for sliderends (I think)
- Likewise, the following hitsounds have a delay >5ms: I remember doing this already, maybe you have old ones? Dunno. Interesting though is that this hitsounds is from osu! default skin iirc, making delay like this unexcepted. Anyways it should be fixed now, checked them.
This also goes against the ranking criteria, as it is important that hitsounds provide proper feedback. I would use a program like audacity to get rid of the delay.
- Combo colour 5 (the dark blue) is too dark. When using a 100% dimmed background, it blends in, causing reading difficulties. Not really having this problem, and I like the shade. Made it little lighter though, maybe it helps.
- 00:26:110 (1,2,3,4,1) - I'd tone these jumps down a bit, considering that the music is very calm right now. Although drums do make an appearance, the overall intensity of the song isn't enough to justify this spike in difficulty. It'll also make the sudden jumps at 01:16:650 (2,3,1,2) - stand out more. I think they are fairly fitting though. The sounds are very aggressive compared to what it has been so far, and the spacing is done in similar fashion to sounds of similar fashion later on. There's still some fat on them though so they can be trimmed little without hurting too much.
- 00:43:677 (4,1) - I would increase the distance between these two notes. (1) lands on a comparatively strong sound in the music, so it'll better represent the music that way. While it's true there downbeat with fairly strong kick there and whatnot, I like the feeling of this better, considering the most distinct instrument for that atleast for me is that bass with the line that feels like throwing smth that then slowly descends back to earth (or in the thematics of this map, how ship rises to the crest of the wave only to descend back down after -> spacing of this pattern. Also how loud it is aside, most of the time kick doesn't sound very aggressive, but is rather soft sound. Depends on context too though. No change
- 00:50:434 (1,2) - It'll flow better if you moved (2) so that it's in the trajectory of the cursor, as it won't have to do any awkward angle changes. Perhaps an area like x80 y40 would work? Not necessary in part like this. Also, imagine curve similar to 00:50:434 (1) - but upwards (or downwards, which would be the right way to say it) between them, continuing from 00:50:434 (1) - on smoothly and it's actually pretty much on the trajectory too.
- 02:24:488 (2,1) - I would change the shape/angle/position of (1) a bit, because it is directly overlapped by (2). I highly recommend you do this because the ranking criteria states that you should avoid directly overlap slider trails, and that players may have trouble reading it. Even if they could read it, these kind of directly overlapping sliderbodies look a bit out of place and finnicky. Same applies for 02:33:137 (2,1) - Good point in a way, but with density this low it will pose no problem. Thus actually, the completely overlapping patterning is the idea here. Think of how sometimes sailing against the waves you'd feel you ain't going anywhere but rather bouncing on the same wave again and again. (that's why it's also not used all the time)
- 02:45:299 (3) - Shouldn't this slider start on the red tick after? Because that is where the guitar strum starts, and it is the stronger sound. You've done it this way with 02:45:840 (3) - and etc. so I don't see why this should be any different. Same issue applies for 02:49:623 (3) - , 02:53:948 (3) - , 02:58:272 (3) - , etc. Hmm not quite. There is clear difference between those places. When this whole section begins, there is strong dominant guitar chord.
The first chug (this one you linked) feels rather like it ending than new beginning. Only when similar chugs are done so that they are the sound that breaks the silence of the guitars does it feel like they are the main thing, thus gaining control of the patterning as well.
- 02:49:894 (1,2,3) - You know, I think it would be really cool if you kept the circular flow for these sections going one direction throughout. The music is quite repetitive here, so I don't see why you're suddenly making the cursor change direction when the song doesn't call for it - there isn't a strong sound to justify the change in circular flow. Same with 03:02:867 (1,2,3) - , 03:15:840 (1,2,3) - , 03:55:840 (1,2,3) - , 04:00:164 (1,2,3) - etc. What is strong sound and what isn't? One could also say there are strong sounds almost every beat. That's not important here though. Allowing breaking the direction of the flow (that being said the flow ain't even circular all the time anyways) bring more variation possibilities to the table. Due the freedom objects don't collide as much or you don't run out of space. Imo even the thematics feel better with changing direction, since while using one direction each would remind of smth like whirlpool (I actually do it) I like changing the direction more often. It's kinda more like how raging sea kicks you around to all directions.
While still mostly powering towards only couple (the shores / direction of circulation here). A lot of this will be relevant when you comment about the kiai time as well.
- 04:23:947 (1,2,3) - You should reverse the circular flow here, like you've done with 04:18:271 (1,2,3) - and 04:14:487 (1,2,3) - . The consistency is important because I thought you only reversed circular flow on the strong sound, or when the grizzly vocal kicks in, but this pattern breaks that idea. Same goes for 04:39:082 (1,2,3) - too, along with some areas in the second kiai as well. (such as 06:25:838 (1,2,3) - ). I kinda saw this coming.
Now to be fair, I had no logic in changing the direction (as in not a logic I'd use constantly). It's mostly random in some meaning of the word. Most dominant factor was how I felt (which was based on how I thought it flowed and what kind of space I had I could use for the following ones). Only when I happened to have more freedom in terms of flow and space I kinda thought about if I should implement some emphasis on important parts (which in the end lead most of the stronger parts getting emphasised). But in the end it's not under any logic. Of consistency, it would be fitting to say: "there's nothing constant except change". Similarly to what I may or may not have said above, it's supposed to be like sea raging around with whirlpool type shapes and aggressive direction changes here and there.
- 05:22:460 (2,1) - Perhaps you could move (1) so that it is directly in the middle of the end and head of (2). This'll make it structurally consistent, making it look nicer. It's already somewhat in the middle of 05:22:055 (1,2) - though (so in the middle of 2 waves instead of one wave so to say).
Also this way the spacing between 05:22:460 (2,1) - is more consistent with for example the spacing between 05:22:055 (1,2) -
- 06:48:540 (1,2,1) - Make it so 06:48:811 (1) - gets the most emphasis out of these notes. Right now, the most emphasised note is (2) which isn't that intuitive since it is on a comparatively weak sound. Moving (2) to an area like x356 y232 or x368 y316 should do the trick 06:48:540 (1,2) - are way more aggressive sounds than 06:48:811 (1) - (I think I have many other places mapped like this with the snares). That being said, 06:48:811 (1) - sure should be emphasised. And it is, in a way fitting for it imo. This of this pattern like how you are holding your breathe, tensing yourself in preparation for smth, steadily increasing the "intensity", until when the actual thing comes you let your breathe go, relaxing yourself. Similarly here the snares kick in the tension even higher than the kiai was, but then the theoretically emphasised point 06:48:811 (1) - actually feels less intense (with the sounds are less raw spacing) but it's still actually fairly emphasised with the structure. Also from purely practical reasons the spacing is slightly tuned down because the SV gets down so it's more comfortable to transition. And I did this before too see 04:43:136 (3) - while actually here the SV is fairly high, but the spacing is still lowered for the calmer guitar sound.
- 09:02:861 (1) - Can we please not do this? The map goes from being a highly aim orientated map for 9 whole minutes. And then suddenly at the end, you throw in a massive 100+ note spaced deathstream. Absolutely nothing in the song foreshadows the appearance of this stream later on, so it just appears sudden and unwarranted. Either get rid of this stream, which is what I would recommend; or find places in the song where you can place difficult streams so this doesn't appear so sudden. Is that graph of the density-related intensity in the map (as in which streams inflate). Anyways, even stream and whatnot aside, that graph ain't too far off from what the songs intensity is tbh lol. That aside, fair concern you have there. And to be fair, I actually have some concerns myself too about this stream too I'll be going over (at some point). But no, the existence of it in some form isn't one of those. If the song gives me a stream, it shall be a stream. I won't discuss about that. The real discussion should be about how I execute the stream (your comment about finding places to insert difficult streams before in the map isn't good idea though, since it's not like the intensity of the ending section makes the section before it any more intense. If there isn't sounds for intense streams before this, I shall not. Thus the real question should be how do I implement this stream that is in the music, while making it of relevant intensity compared to both the map and the song. Compared to song I feel it's cool as is. It has some problems in terms of map though (on which I have gotten some testplayer-feedback), and I'll need to see to that. If in the end changes are to be made, I'll figure out smth. But it's not going to get removed.
Good map. It represents the music quite well, with only a few small emphasis issues. However, you need to make the circular flow consistent in places. In the kiai sections, I see where you were coming from; but for sections like 02:45:029 (1) - and 06:00:973 (1) - then the changes in flow seemed random. Also, fix the stream. Placing an 8* stream on a 9 minute long, non-stream map right at the end isn't good. Well yeah for the flows, just think of it as using similar logic of change as the kiais but with less whirlpools. For the stream, even if it tilted you, the stream is still less than 7,2* lol (I think it's over 8*
with HR though, but the actual intensity of the patterns is more important than SR anyways)
Thanks for the mod!
AyanokoRin wrote:get mv2 reee I don't even know how to get mv2 for older maps LUL. That being said I like mv1 anyways, so you just have to bear with it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
reee the overlapping object has disappeared long before the next comes lol. Hell, it's almost disappeared before the object before that too. Srsly though, what's your mindset on overlaps? Things like this has absolutely no matter. And this mindset is fairly bad considering there are literally bound to be "unseen overlaps" like this since the playground is so small.
- first of all, notice how ctrl + a doesnt cover the entirety of the grid, but rather a kind of round-cornered rectangle ; i didnt notice difficulties with moving around the playfield, but keep in mind to use the entirety of the space thats given to you when mapping because it can give you even more liberty regarding object placement First of all, after skimming through few ranked maps for reference, this is actually better than fairly many. It's pretty much almost all the way used anyways. Actually, imho, using it all the way to the corners just for the sake of using it will more likely create those "difficulties with moving around the playfield" lol. I don't see any poin in this. You shouldn't force the usage of full playfield on mapping but rather comment if the mapper didn't naturally use most of it but rather stuffed his map to specific parts.
- 00:50:434 (1,2) - 2 doesnt follow implied slider flow unlike the other iterations of this rhythm, meaning that the flow logic set up throughout the phrase should place it here. thats of course blatently offscreen, so i suggest playing around with 00:50:434 (1) - to find a workaround ( and at the same time avoid the overlap with 00:48:272 (1,1) - since you seem to be preferring perfect stacks when it comes to sliders ) Where to begin? Flow isn't really any problem here, section is so calm and sparse flow is almost nonexistent anyways. That's not even relevant though since how it flows is fairly similarly done to the rest, not like it should be to the same direction compared to the slider just for the sake of it. Point is just that the path of the cursor is fairly smooth and the distance is 'bout the same. Now for the overlap, not really gonna happen. Not only are they far away from each other (the former disappears for good before the latter appears. Even in editor.) but there are actual visible pattern ideas I want to preserve (see the fading blanket on 00:49:353 (2,1) - and triple on 00:49:353 (2,3,1) - and then the constant spacings. It's not possible to combine all these with stacking those, and when it's not particularly important issue it'll get skipped)
- 01:03:677 (2,5) - again, this overlap/closeness contradicts the cleaner aesthetics of its context, and there surely is the space to move it slightly upwards I don't think it's overlapping? But anyways since here I actually can execute it (somehow, it's not "just move it" I have fairly strict things goin on here y'know) I moved it a little
- 05:56:109 (3) - this particular circles aesthetics stand out because the overlap with 05:55:568 (2) - is different from your usual ones ( they are closer to the sliderend theyre overlapped with in the other cases ) ; that is fine in itself, but it becomes a problem at 05:58:676 (3) - when the same overlap is used with an entirely different rhythm since the player will have associated it with a 1/2 gap instead of a 3/2 one Okay so hold on a second, I didn't quite get what you mean. I see your concerns about 05:55:568 (2,3) - in comparison to other similar places done slightly differently and whatnot and then in comparison to different rhythm such as 05:57:730 (2,3) - getting done differently. That part makes sense, but how'd the change be from 1/2 to 3/2 and not 1/4 as it is there? Typo? Doesn't matter, I don't really see problems with this, so here comes the
essayexplanation part. Since you didn't have problems with slightly different ways of these for the same rhythms in different places I'll skip that and tackle on the rhythm instead. First, let's compare 05:56:109 (3) - and 05:58:676 (3) - ; actually no need for that much of an explanation, there's no way any player of this maps level would misread 1/4 for 3/2 or the other way. Lol. Also for more overall way, 1/4 always end up with the slider on tick (or rather, the sliderend not on tick) while rhythms up from that have sliderend on some actual sound (not sure if actually 100% of the time but pretty much, and if not, it's still on some more decipherable tick making more sense). Then for more difficult question, like how'd I differentiate 1/1 like 05:27:460 (3,4) - and 3/2 like 05:57:730 (2,3) - ? Well, I'm positive that's still not fairly big of a challenge for actual capable players (that you need to be to actually try to pass this). But skipping that, there's actually what you could use to see the difference, and it's to listen to the music. For examples these places I linked, the 1/1 is in a section that's based on it (or 2/1 or 4/1 or whatever you wanna use for it, point being it's straight) while 3/2 is in section where the base rhythm is 3/2, more swingy and containing those kind of leading notes like the example actually is itself too. TLDR: no change
- 05:56:649 (1,3) - ew overlap
stream seems fine to me except maybe the section at 09:05:023 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - cause chain 5 note streams kill stamina due to demanding a lot of finger control on top of the aim, also would probably turn 09:12:050 (9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16) - into 4 kicksliders since having the longest stream where the guitar isnt at its highest pitch seems contradictory of the intensity ( rhythmically fine because of the drum kicks as well ) Let's begin with the "longest stream". Okay so first of all guitar = stream, pitch ≠ stream. Pitch is only used for spacing, since regardless of the pitch, the guitar is still shredding (if the pitch went really down I'd prob change shit though since the intensity would go down way more than what constant stream would be, not the case here). "But then it's going to be more intense than the higher spaced parts". Is it? In one way true. And anyway, the song is thematically "intensifying" in some way all the way until 09:15:843 - even though the way we perceive it it would have already went down little. No change. For the 5 note groups then. What to say, I sure know it's taxing, but so what? This is what the song gives me. Actually, since I haven't used my thematic metaphors in this mod answer yet (I think) lemme give one here: imagine those drums being like the harsh hits the ocean gives you while you are trying to survive, draining you of energy. Without great focus they'll drown you in a sec. Also, combine with the long stream you had a problem with after this, I think the sections overall intensity is in fairly good balance actually, shifting to slightly different things with these 5s and the longer streams before and after.
Good luck !
i pointed it out because it stood out to me in the editor and i think avoiding these makes for a cleaner structure overall, but its fine if your focus is how it looks in gameplay
TheKingHenry wrote:[*]05:56:649 (1,3) - ew overlap[/list] reee the overlapping object has disappeared long before the next comes lol. Hell, it's almost disappeared before the object before that too. Srsly though, what's your mindset on overlaps? Things like this has absolutely no matter. And this mindset is fairly bad considering there are literally bound to be "unseen overlaps" like this since the playground is so small.
Rather than focusing on gameplay, I mentioned gameplay as in how in there it disappears even more so quickly than in editor, in which the object still doesn't basically exist on the screen at the time the overlapping one appears. Even more so in this timestamp than the other, earlier one (which is why this one doesn't have comment about the gameplay versus because the time of disappearance is so much before that it's not even relevant anymore to differentiate the two (which you can see from the comment about the object before it too). Basically "unseen overlap" means that as in literally, not in the sense of not being visible in gameplay.
AyanokoRin wrote:i pointed it out because it stood out to me in the editor and i think avoiding these makes for a cleaner structure overall, but its fine if your focus is how it looks in gameplay
Thanks for the mod!
frogyfro wrote:Mod from my queue
Please make that dark blue color even lighter. I still can't see it at all when I play the map, and I don't even use 100% dim. tuned it slightly
00:09:894 (4,5,6) - I dislike that 4 5 6 form a wide angle. It encourages players to flow through 5 to 6 which diminishes the suddenness of the snare drum. If you moved 6 up-right of 4 5 or stacked 4 5 I think it would make 6 a lot more striking. While it's not bad suggestion at all, I think it's fine the current way. The whole pattern in the music which is 00:09:353 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - (and repeated) is as a overall arching lower in intensity towards the end, even though the final sound is fairly strong each time. Thus I made the angles smoothen towards the end, only emphasising the snare with spacing. That way it feels more like it brings the phrase to end, while sharp angle would be kinda too aggressive for that, since the intensity is supposed to die for the break between 00:10:434 (6,1) - (so the patterns are like occasional waves crashing to the shore)
00:42:867 (1,2,3,4,1) - I love how this pattern decelerates but it feels weird that 3 4 and 4 1 have the same spacing. Move 1 closer to 4 to bring the deceleration all the way to the downbeat. wouldn't be bad idea either, but the downbeat got more going already again (bass drum beat and whatnot, it's like more intense than the one before it; so in the end I decided to triangle it which looks pretty good visually as well
01:15:299 (1,2,3,4) - You should really do something here to reflect the crescendo in the hi hat. Just increasing spacing on each note would probably work well. The crescendo (only with 01:15:569 (2,3,4) - , the first one is stronger) is kinda minor to reflect with spacing difference here, since adding enough spacing for it to be meaningful with 1/1 would end up larger spacing than necessary for sounds like that so I think it's cleaner this way
01:16:921 (1,2) - This is a completely pedantic suggestion but I don't really like how the stacks in this section feels. Forcing the player to stop moving entirely for 1/1 makes this part feel a lot less intense than I think it should. Forcing the player to (almost) stop is kinda the idea of the pattern, I use plenty of these in this map to emphasise the 1/1 and I think they work pretty well imo
01:19:893 (2) - There's no sound here. You need to do this like you did at 01:56:380 (1) -. Same problem at 01:28:542 (2) - 01:37:191 (2) - 01:41:515 (2) - 01:45:840 (2) - and so on. oh shit Nvm seems fine, it's just that they get kinda like drowned by the cymbal reverberations; it's the same quiet pattern like 01:15:569 (2) - ; and even with the most quiet ones like 01:24:218 (2) - it's not really bad even as a filler rhythm (like the most simple out of them all, 1/1 lul); this is since I want to keep the 01:54:218 (1) - type stuff not only for how the drum pattern slightly shifts for less clear 1/1, but how it at the same time begins giving more highlight to the guitar which is coming to take the center later on
03:26:921 (6,7,1,2) - I think this spacing is a bit much. I get you want to emphasize the guitar at this part, but it makes 03:28:001 (5,6) - weak by comparison which is problematic. Agree (sort of) but to keep the guitar spacing same with the other ones (which I think they are), buffed 03:28:001 (5,6) - little instead; I don't think it needs to be massively changed since unlike 03:27:056 (7,1) - which is one-way trip with "break" in both sides, 03:28:001 (5,6,1) - is subsequently back-and-forth 2 jumps, which makes it "faster" and thus more intense. Same with the later patterning of this stuff (which already has better spacing comparisons than this so needs no changes I think
03:29:353 (1,2,3) - The guitar drops out entirely during 1 and 2 and there's just two weak bass drum hits before the crash + guitar entrance on 3. The way you currently have this arranged gives way too much importance to 1 and 2 and doesn't really reflect the lull in the song imo. I'd just space 1 and 2 down to better contrast them with the drum fill prior and the guitar entrance after. Obviously this doesn't apply to 03:38:002 (1,2) - because of the vocals. I don't think the bass drums are weak though, they are actually about as strong as bass drum can get (wihtout sounding fucked up); they are more intense than for example 03:38:002 (1,2) - (important is that the latter sounds like stream-kinda while former doesn't since it sounds like the hits are emphasised individually. Other than that you point is pretty valid so I tuned them little down and switched some emphasis to the following slider instead (same with earlier 03:20:704 (1,2) - you missed)
04:47:460 (1,2) - I don't really see what's justifiying cutting the SV in half here. The ones later on like 05:04:757 (1,2) - fit the guitar surprisingly well, but these are a much smaller decrease in SV and they're supported by the guitar. This first one is such a sharp decrease it feels extremely unexpected for no good reason. Personally I'd make the SV decrease the same as the one later on, or just rework this pattern entirely and wait for the guitar to enter before throwing in these SV changes. Nah it's good; since the guitars are pretty much drone here, this SV change is pretty much combination of two things: the cymbal sounds (which should already be pretty clear here, I can't be the only one hearing the difference) combined with the influences from the contextual sections. First the cymbal sounds. Kinda tough to put into words, but tldr the first one sounds a lot more intense than the latter, with "active" sound throughout it, while the latter (especially compared to the sound before) is more passive background type sound. This contrast with these cymbals is where I also put the transition between sections/patterns from the not intense but atleast something (especially the drum sounds leading to it 04:47:190 (2,3,1) - ) that is before it to the very calm one that comes after (1/1). To comment on your comparison to guitars, you ain't wrong, though at the same time fine tuning SVs is easier with guitar tones and thus making reasonable emphasises for stuff like cymbal sounds needs more drastic measures, or the change just goes unnoticed.
05:48:001 (1,2,1) - The long sliders and the pause after 2 is causing you to lose a lot of the momentum this solo has built up. I'd use the accompaniment for some filler rhythm and make this part more rhythmically dense so it doesn't feel so underwhelming. The long sliders and pause are pretty much what the song offers though. I woulda actually added some filler rhythms if it could work somehow here, but I think the current one is actually better than forcing some stuff there. I'll just let the solo be what it is, it's not like it's bad if the momentum gets down if the momentum gets down in the music as well.
08:49:618 (7) - Shouldn't this be 2 jumps instead of a slider to accentuate the guitar? You did that later on at 08:53:942 (7,8,1) - . While it is similar, it's not nearly as distinct as 08:53:942 (7,8) - mostly because here pitch change only once (in the red tick) while with 08:53:942 (7,8) - it changes 3 times, with every red tick pretty much. Thus to reduce the already highly demanding tapping I'd prefer to keep it as is (like all the other measures there are too)
09:02:861 (1) - I think there's a lot going on this stream you could emphasize better. At 09:07:185 - when the guitar is mostly just the same note over and over again constant spacing makes a lot of sense, but that isn't the case at 09:02:861 -. There's clear peaks at 09:03:537 (11) - and 09:04:145 (4) - that really aren't getting any attention at all. I understand that you don't want to make this stream any more difficult than it already is, but I think making the stream accelerate into 11 instead of using constant spacing would better accentuate what the guitar is doing here, as well as making the transition into the stream less harsh than it currently is. Not necessary. First of all, it's constant tremolo picking (with constant pitch except the obvious changes); the peaks you hear (that aren't really audible unless you slow down) are just due the human player not being able to do constantly the exact same motion, and the guitar reacting to that with small changes (like more "open" sound at some notes for example). Like I said, these changes are inaudible with playing speed and aren't actually supposed to theoretically exist in the music either so I think going straightforward is better, also making the already challenging section perhaps little more lenient. Your comment about transitioning to the stream section is valid though (the context of its usage here aside) and it's pretty much the only real concern I've gotten from testplays so far (as a first try effect though I guess);
but whether or not I change is up to more feedback or if I'd make up a better alternative for the beginning of the streams
Thanks for the mod!
Alexsander wrote:Sorry for the delay, the net doesn't cooperate when sending
[Colossus, the Wrath of the Ocean]
- I think these reverse wasn't a good choice because the sound at 00: 07: 191 - may need to be clickable even if it isn't strong Not necessary. Not only is the sound pretty much a drone with occasional edges, the particular one you linked isn't strong at all, not even among this sound,
since basically this (the edges) get quieter and softer the more it goes on.
- 00:10:164 (5,6) - those moments where 6:10:434 (6) - is strong you could impose a greater distance to emphasize even though 1/1 I think would be interesting First of all I think your links are fucked up lol. Anyways, I think it's fine currently. Small tuning to 1/1 doesn't make enough change to be worth and large changes aren't really desirable since not only is this supposed to be calm section, it would lessen the impact of the actual 1/2 which are supposed to be more important than the 1/1 even if these particular 1/1 sounds are fairly strong.
- 00:26:650 (1,2) - I didn't understand because it has a distance below 00:28:813 (1,2) - since it's the same sound and this happens throughout the session I recommend you leave the same Can't say I'm 100% sure I understood completely what you meant, but if it's about 00:28:813 (1,2) - having larger spacing than 00:26:650 (1,2) - (and some others) then it doesn't really matter at all. Not only is it small difference in when talking about how 1/1 work, but it's also due the objects getting stacked with surrounding ones, not just without any reason. No need to change it
- 00:28:813 (1) - the sound of it is strong, I think it deserves an emphasis on distance to differentiate from 00:27:732 (2,3) - (repeated throughout the session)
- 02:22:326 (2) - how about this slider being more open as: https://prnt.sc/ifk6jp Yeah why not actually, it looks nice and wavey so it fits the thematics. Tuned little with your pic in mind
- 04:14:082 (1,2) - maybe a 1/2 slider is better to follow vocal Nah no; I prefer following the instrumental ideas here
- 04:12:596 - the jumps that you did in this kiai are similar and something not varied which can be bad (04:13:677 (1,2,3,1,2,3) -, 04:15:568 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - etcs) could have more variations This is pretty much the idea of the kiais though. You can read more of this from mods before (I think)
but basically just think of them as whirlpools of sorts. Also it's not like there isn't any variation, not only are the halves of kiais differentiated, but same pattern ≠ no variation. The angles between transitions and so on can change and the resulting movement may actually go rampant even if it mostly consists of the same triangles. Also worth noting that the music is fairly repetitive/constant as well, so I don't think overly variation is even good for song expression.
- 08:33:131 (1,2,3) - I don't understand the increase of this sudden distance since it does not have any important sound, I suggest keeping the same distance used in 08:27:726 (5,6,7) - in this session Since in this section guitar pitch is the only thing that changes, when it changes, the impact on music is significant. So here (as you probably noticed), pitch = spacing
- 08:45:564 - Should a stream start here? No? Drums stay 1/2 for pretty much whole section and guitar is 1/1 all the way until the shred which is where the stream currently starts, 09:02:861 -
I think this last kiai was badly structured with these circles, I think it should have a stream.
The rest of the map is fine with some inconsistencies.
Sorry for the english errors and the short mod
Don't mind it, mistakes happen
Alexsander wrote:I was wrong on the last suggestion, sorry
Thanks for the mod!
- This suggestion is regarding your chorus and it’s mostly a subjective mapping perspective. Before let me tell you that your mapping is not wrong, the rhythm is correct, the aim intensity and flow changes are according to the song. My issue with the kiai is mostly because rhythm/visual/play wise it is too repetitive. I know the song is pretty much following those repetitions, but the way you mapped it and considering the difficulty you’re aiming with this marathon, feels too much repetitive. That in itself isn’t a problem, since I actually don’t mind repetitive maps. But the context here is not old mapping/insane difficulty. Here you’re mapping a progressive metal song in a 7* difficulty map. I truly feel like the chorus should be done in a more interesting way at least pattern wise, to avoid making the players feel underwhelmed by what the map presents in one of its most important sections.
If you compare how you made the patterns in other sections like 03:20:704 - ~ 03:38:002 – they seem way more dynamic as a matter of comparision. Hope you can take this criticism in a positive way. Valid points (kinda similar to what I've gotten already on those, along with multiple similar "well,
it's the song" as well lol). Even though one could label this (or In Mourning in general) to progressive metal, it doesn't in the end mean their stuff makes for varying map experience, similarly to many other similar style bands. The songs may contain lots of cool stuff and variation and all that, but they also contain lots of repetition of possibly all the said things or atleast the main themes, and often sections that are only accompanied by more simplistic musical soundscapes. This section you linked as interesting just not really coincidentally happens to be one of the best sections in the song for mapping (aside prob some of the solo sections), with lots of subtle little ideas with not too much repetition and so on. For example on the other hand, the kiais or the ending "solo" parts don't work quite the same.
Actually the only "progressive" gimmick with the kiais are the 7/4 other than that they are pretty much the same constant 1/2 as most of the verses (with actually less interesting guitar lines for rhythm game). The solo on the other hand feels more like atmospheric side of stuff, with pretty much everything going with standard stuff on instruments but strong feeling of the finale with what they do. This doesn't quite transfer to map without more raw mechanical patterns which then end up quite draining like what the song could possibly feel as well with the drain. Now these couple points could also be taken into account when thinking of the thematics I tried putting up for this which is some sort of battle against the sea. First of all, it's long af like the neverending sail of your life.As for what there are in the sail, that's the contains of the map and song: lots of calmer sections combined with more intense ones, some more "bubbling" sections with more airy touch with light trickery on rhythms and such but also more grim heavy sections with raw force against you usually as prolonged periods of sustained rhythm and soundscape and so on. I tried expressing these things in some way in the map, which might've been good or bad idea, might've worked or not, dunno. I don't really know what the kiai for example feels like, if it's underwhelming or not, but repetitive pattern with more straightforward challenge is what I made it to be (with the single idea mostly used in it basing on the thematics I'm using). All in all these are fair concerns since what's the point of having strictly "music based" map if due it no one will enjoy playing it. That being said the testplay I got from Rohulk for example ended up in feedback of about these lines "it's pretty repetitive. I didn't really mind though since I liked the song". I guess it kind of can end up with tastes like that as well.[ Colossus, the Wrath of the Ocean ]Couldn’t really point a lot because the map is very consistent and well made. Hitsound and music representation are really great in this map. But like I said, the repetitions and the rhythm are part of the structure you choose to use and those are the things I could potentially see as elements that could make the map not so enjoyable for some people. Hope you keep on mapping progressive metal and best of luck with this map and your future projects ^^
- 00:00:705 (1) – Use a slidertick hitsound with lower volume in this repeat slider imo Not really necessary. While it's kinda like "why not indeed" it's almost inaudible as is and the slight feedback of how many ticks it cover may be helpful to someone so I'll keep it as is
- 02:11:515 (2) – You don’t need that huge amount of points to make a slider like that; just compare this two designs; your version https://puu.sh/zwajj.png with something like this https://puu.sh/zwajL.png . The fewer amount of points, better it is to control the visual. You're right, dunno why I originally made it like that. That being said as it's ready already I don't really see the need to change it anymore lol
- 02:18:002 (2) – This slider should be consistent with 02:24:488 (2) - imo They are intentionally not the same, like waves in the ocean are everchanging atleast slightly. Sure there are some same shapes here and there used in these sections as exact the same but most of the time not
- 02:24:488 (2,1) – Cool idea btw really liked this
- Again slider consistency 02:26:650 (2) -/02:28:813 (2) - ^
- You could make the spacing here a bit more consistent 03:18:542 (1,2,3,1,2,3) – with 03:01:245 (1,2,3,1,2,3) – specially on the second repetition 03:01:786 (1,2,3) - /03:19:083 (1,2,3) -. No need, the DS are almost the same already. That's fairly strict you're going considering I'm fairly sure my map uses more DS than most lol
- Personally I think the way you placed this two sliders 04:28:001 (3) -/04:28:541 (3) – works better compared to 04:29:893 (3) -/04:30:433 (3) – it’s visually more organized Don't really see what'd make any clear difference in visuals, the ideas are pretty much the same. I mean I see what part you're looking at here but I don't see the need, the looks compare fine as is
- Same thing mentioned about a lot of points when you could have done fewer and achieve the same visual result 04:43:136 (3) – Not actually many fewer mind me (I tested). Anyways pretty much the same as above
- 05:22:055 (1,2,1) – This could be more polished visually if the slider end of 05:22:055 (1) – and 05:22:460 (2) – along with 05:22:460 (2) – sliderhead formed a triangle with 05:23:136 (1) – as the center of it. Quick comparision; https://puu.sh/zwaSy.png and https://puu.sh/zwaWe.png The circle isn't perfectly in the middle in your pic though *triggered* also I'd rather keep the little larger spacing for it. Tuned the sliderend for more along the triangle shape though.
- Really cool stuff 05:24:217 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) –
- In this section 06:50:973 - ~ 07:26:645 – you repeat the same slider shape for 36 seconds in a row. You could implement a distinction from the parts with longer gap 06:50:973 - ~ 07:06:108 – and the faster one 07:06:108 - ~ 07:26:645 – Intentionally so. Actually so much so, that the slider shape even "changes" due to SV but you didn't notice it. As in, when the gaps the faster as you said, the SV gets higher but I wanted to keep the slider shape the same, just more aggressive patterning other than that (since, well, the sound of the guitar chug stays the same). Well the shape is very similar still, just longer and little more curved with the length addition (iirc)
- The final solo is a really big spike. Depending on your mapping perspective that can be an issue or not, so I’m just objectively pointing that it is a big spike. If you think that’s positive then this is not an issue ^^ It's not actually as big of a spike as you think. Depending on according to what you think. In terms of actual playing it's fairly big spike, with not only highest spacing in the map but also relentless stamina demands on both singletapping and streaming. If you look at the SR though, it's not actually that large of a spike (well, not like SR is really relevant but just mentioning for comparison). The jump part of the solo raises it about 0,2* and the stream part about another 0,2* (when I was mapping) thus lining fairly well with how the actual intensity of the song goes up. The harsh stamina part might not line up with the repetitiviness of the song quite as well even though repetition is a form of emphasis too,
but it's not really out of the left field either.
- Regarding the stream itself I recommend that the kicks 09:05:023 (1) – should be using slightly curves instead of straight shape, mostly for visual improvement and to also help indicate the implied movement you’re going for in sections like this 09:05:023 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Not really necessary. Not only do I like kicksliders mostly straight for their looks too (sliders short in both visual and timing length aren't too great curved imo) I like their straightforwardness in the playing aspect as well. Not like either way it'd make that much difference on that though imo
Good luck again
Net0 wrote:[ Colossus, the Wrath of the Ocean ]
- In this section 06:50:973 - ~ 07:26:645 – you repeat the same slider shape for 36 seconds in a row. You could implement a distinction from the parts with longer gap 06:50:973 - ~ 07:06:108 – and the faster one 07:06:108 - ~ 07:26:645 – Intentionally so. Actually so much so, that the slider shape even "changes" due to SV but you didn't notice it. As in, when the gaps the faster as you said, the SV gets higher but I wanted to keep the slider shape the same, just more aggressive patterning other than that (since, well, the sound of the guitar chug stays the same). Well the shape is very similar still, just longer and little more curved with the length addition (iirc)I really recommend you reconsider this point, the distinction you're talking about is so small in terms of slider design that is not enough to avoid the repetitive feeling of this section, the element of distinction SV change has impact, but not as much because you kept using the curved slider idea. Again, this suggestion is mostly aimed to break the repetitive of it, but since I read your reply it seems this is what you're aiming for, so yeah, feel free to apply only if you trully believe it won't break your concept.
- 05:22:055 (1,2,1) – This could be more polished visually if the slider end of 05:22:055 (1) – and 05:22:460 (2) – along with 05:22:460 (2) – sliderhead formed a triangle with 05:23:136 (1) – as the center of it. Quick comparision; https://puu.sh/zwaSy.png and https://puu.sh/zwaWe.png The circle isn't perfectly in the middle in your pic though *triggered*Hey it's perfectly in the middle, I went to geometry class! xD