Lasse wrote:

seems like something is wrong with ayyri's diff metadata as it shows up like https://i.imgur.com/L7XZnfK.jpg for me lol hmmmm that's not a big deal imo, as long as the map is still there

i think 00:45:357 - could be a finish on all diffs since it stands out so much there ok


inner oni
https://i.imgur.com/HCMawSe.jpg
00:19:760 - wouldn't it make more sense to move the color change here to emphasize the 1/2 melody? (even though it would make the whole pattern a bit more boring..) I'm using the same k pattern through this part.

00:37:368 - 00:40:955 - seems kinda overdone since the intensity of the part is still similar to before but you suddenly map it with a wayyy longer chain of objects made a break
undermapping 00:39:162 - would work well since guitars and vocal stop there and you ignored similar things before too

00:56:118 (340) - how about using a finish here? i think it lacks a bit compared to start of the chorus where you mapped a triple (which wouldn't fit well here). could also consider using k since right now it doesn't feel differentiated at all from 00:55:629 (337,338,339) - which seems weird ok

02:46:184 (31,32) - finish on these would be great since it seemed nice on 02:39:662 (2) - which is quite similar ok



oni
00:54:325 - 02:58:738 - two 1/1 gaps right after each other seems really unfitting with how intense it is considering drums also still play here, adding a note would reflect the song much better and still should be fine difficulty wise ok

00:56:118 (293) - same comment as inner oni // 02:46:184 (27,28) - too no to first, yes to second

01:54:035 - 02:00:892 - don't see a reason to ignore these when you map the other 1/4s here, the part is so slow that difficulty wise it doesn't make much sense to me eh, the 11/6 woulda been too close to the inner but changed

02:04:714 - did this get deleted on accident? seems really weird to put a 2/3 gap when the song plays 1/3 drums and you had things like 01:57:857 - before yup lmao

03:05:749 (28,29,30,31) - 03:07:053 (37,38,39,40) - making these into 5 note streams would work pretty well with the 1/4 spam drums while not making it too hard sure



ayyri
00:12:586 (42,43) - don't get why this is mapped differently from the other 1/2 doubles when it's basically the same thing. if you wanted some variety why not change 00:13:564 (46,47) - too since that would make seem it more fitting

the 2/1 gaps in your chorus (besides 00:55:792 - ) seemed really underwhelming. really think you could make that part more dense overall by mapping them (and maybe even a few additional 1/2). even the contrast within the section itself is really big with such highly varied density
similarly, adding a note on 01:01:825 - would work really well to match the overall intensity better since 2x 1/1 gap seems really undermapped for the drum spam

02:04:857 - 02:11:714 - second one is pretty different because of the cymbal (which you also seemed to empohasize before) so making 02:11:571 (505,506) - into a dk 1/3 double would work well, sicne the part is so much slower that should still fit totally fine difficulty wise too

02:34:119 - how about finish on this? it's the only cymbal like this in the whole part, I think it deserves to stand out more

02:48:303 (633,634,635,636,637,638,639,640,641,642,643) - so much 1/4, seems like a pretty big spike compared to the similar 00:54:488 (223,224,225,226,227,228,229,230) - so I think it should be toned down a little

02:59:064 - similarly spike here also seems a little too much in context of the whole diff, could just delete 02:59:390 - which would also go well with the vocals

same comments for chorus 2 as for the first one

03:06:890 - could be mapped for similar reasons as before and there's also melody on it

03:09:662 (724,725,726,727) - how about using ddkk here instead? starting with kk when you spam k only before seems a to not fit the change in drums well, this also puts a color change on 03:10:314 - which would be nice with the guitars didn't apply the 1/3 point because 1/3 happens so little in this map, that I think colouring it would make it more confusing than it could be, based on the rarity of it, and in such a small burst too.



futsuu
00:50:249 (132,133,134,135,136) - 00:54:814 (148,149,150,151,152) - both of these map such different things, so I think using a different pattern for either would be cute
same for when this happens in chorus 2

02:07:857 - whole part followed cymbals with k so I don't get why this wouldn't :c probably 02:14:714 - too both changed around



kantan
01:21:879 (136) - seems really weird since drums start earlier, unlike 01:19:270 (133) - moving it to 01:21:716 - should still be fine difficulty wise and would be much more intuitive rhythm wise with what happens in the song. or maybe just remove it entirely. the others after seemed to work better because of the vocals on the white tick. you could map 01:24:488 - instead which is cute with vocals changed a few things here

Protonori wrote:

From my modding queue~

[General]
Copy/paste the tags to Ayyri's Muzukashii.
Don't forget to find a preview point for all diffs.

[Kantan]
00:08:836 (10) - d to follow the drums? k to follow guitar which is louder than drums.
00:28:727 (47) - Move to 00:28:564? The vocals and drums are here. I'm sacrificing accuracy for simplicity here. The white tick follows what the drums are communicating at this section so it's justified.
00:33:944 (56) - Move to 00:33:781? Same reason as above.
00:47:640 - Add k? There are no vocals here, but the drums sound the same as 00:46:988 (79). breaks my dude.
00:58:075 - Add d? Same reason as above.
01:29:053 (10) - Move to 01:28:890? There are no vocals at 01:29:053, so mapping the guitar is a better choice imo. I'm mapping drum.
01:31:662 (15) - Same as above. It's up to you.

[Futsuu]
00:24:325 - Add d? nah
00:28:564 (72,73) - Swap these? Sounds better if the vocals are mapped with k imo how would you imagine I map that cymbal and snare hit, then?
01:21:716 - Add d? You had a note here in Kantan. well I changed the kantan.
02:45:858 (216) - Consider changing to d. I hear the drums, but using k would emphasize 02:45:858 (216). It doesn't... really matter, so nah.

[Ayyri's Muzukashii]
Just a quick suggestion here.

01:01:662 (251,252,253,254,255,256) - Try dkd kdk? It flows better imo, since you use dk doubles after this. notified ayyri applied

Good luck with ranking this!

Nepuri wrote:

fAM iM hERE

[General]
Ding dong! Timing is not consistent across diffs my man! Check it up my dude cuz thats unrankable! 02:18:142 - Please add a timing point to lower diffs like you did in the higher diffs EVEN if you didnt map anything to it.
Always remember, you time a SONG, not a MAP c:

02:18:794 - A red and a green line overlapping is only allowed for SV changes! This changes volume though and should be changed so volume stays consistent on both of them. This issue is only in Oni and Inner Oni.

Delete the unused SV lines on Oni REEEEEE GOT IT BUB

[Inner Oni]

00:11:444 (41,42) - I believe those 2 should be crtl+g'd, as the quite noticable ting sound lies on 42, while no particularily strong sound that has been mapped as a kat before lies on 41. sure

00:10:140 - Why is this sound unmapped when the same sound was just represented 1/1 before this by 00:09:814 (36) -? I suggest you either delete note 36 or map out the missing sound to keep consistency. If your goal was to keep a break before the stronger hihats kicked in you could delete 36 to achieve a break and additional consistency with it. Anyhow this is kinda inconsistent and should be solved any way or another \:D/ changed

00:13:483 (58) - consider coloring this to d? Having this kat in the 1/4 to reflect a minor sound difference in the music doesnt work very well considering you also used single kats in 1/4 to represent a stronger sound such as a snare hit (seen at 00:13:238 - and 00:12:260 - ; emphasized by a single kat)
There would be multiple approaches to solve this problem, and i think its up to you how to do it.
For example you could represent the snare hits with 2 kats in the 1/4 and make a kkd instead of a kdd etc. and keep the single kat for the minor pitch variation in the 5-let, resulting in a kkdkd.
Or you could just neglect the minor variation and only watch out for the snares for now, making this 5-let a kdddd. I mean, the pattern is less boring than kdddd and even if it's only a slight pitch change in the guitar I'll take it.

00:14:379 - to 00:24:814 -
Ok ok So i see you use a specific pattern on which you place kats on the white ticks.
I observed that there is a hihat-ish sound and a stronger snare sound alternating each 2 beats starting from 00:14:379 -. Now the part i do not quite understand is why you have given emphasis by a kat to the less noticeable hihat (as seen in 00:15:684 - ; 00:16:988 - etc.) but not to the snares, which you left completely as a don (as seen in 00:15:031 - ; 00:16:336 - etc.) which doesnt really sound right imo. Please somehow incorporate the snares in this pattern to your liking, as theres too many ways to do it for me to suggest one. hey, ur right

Same does apply to the part after the kiai. this part I did right tho

00:50:249 (300,302) - I feel like there is missing some emphasis on these snares. They dont differ much from the kats created by your vocal improvisation although they are something that stands out much more than those 'artificial' kats you used to express the vocals. They are a meaningful variation in the music but the map does not present them as such, please consider fixing this! This also applies to the Kiai shortly before the end! What can do I do emphasize them more without breaking the flow I already created, I'm not gonna make them finishers.

00:58:727 (361) - this should be a kat due to your vocal improvisation used beforehand, here lies a vocal, and also a faint cymbal. Id consider being a bit closer to the vocals than it is right now by making this a kat. oke

01:00:847 (377,378) - cojoin these 2 kats into a kdk? This will make them stand out more as a meaningful variation from the other sounds in the music, in similar vein to how you emphasized snares in this little section with a ddk (as seen at 01:00:357 (373,374,375) - ; 00:59:216 (364,365,366) - etc.) mmmmm, I feel like this is justified through it being right before a bunch of streams, to act as a break of sorts.

01:19:596 (527,528,529,530,532) - these kats, similar to the start of the map again are meant to represent a pitch change, which is compared to the snare hit on 01:20:901 (534) - an argueably less meaningful variation in the music, but it again isnt portrayed as 2 different patterns and thus are given the same emphasis when listening, which shouldnt happen.
Applies to similar occurences within the section too (example 01:21:716 (535,536,537) - and so forth) ok

This is a little bit more nitpicky. but alas its an opportunity to polish some detail.
01:52:428 (676,677) - These two sounds are mapped both as a kat, as to represent the hi hat being played as a filler. Although 676 has only a hi hat playing, and 677 has a strongish snare playing along with said hihat. It is up to you to listen to similar occurrences of this musical pattern (such as 01:55:857 (690,691) - or 01:59:285 (703,704) - ) And color the notes don and kat reliant whether a snare is playing along with it or not, making it in my humble opinion a bit more nuanced and detailed. nah this section is ok

02:43:575 (13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29) - I think this pattern would sound better as a kkkkddkkkkddkkddk ; Strictly due to the pitch at which the drums are playing here, and therefore suits it better. me too thanks

03:04:934 (155,157,158) - Again, reasoning from before, theres some emphasis missing here, you can maybe put a d between 155 and the d before, and a d between 157 and 158 to give the patterns some linkage and contrast to other patterns. eh but is there really

Whooo its pretty late already!
I honestly believe this top diff needs a better execution of the concepts at hand, especially contrasting your improvised patterns from the strict ones that are dominantly sounding over said improvised ones.

I will probably post a followup post tomorrow! (Also dont forgetti our M4M :thinking:)

Naotoshi wrote:

[inner oni]
00:02:803 (10) - d cuz that other type of drum hit is here imo i guess

00:13:646 - why not fill o.o to make the guitar feel special

00:57:423 - how about putting k on all of these cymbals having it on the beats i have it on is enough representation for such a small sound

01:08:183 - weird to skip this triple imo but my pattern

01:29:298 - k cuz guitar guitar isn't until the white tick

02:09:571 (744) - K? same as 02:06:142 (729) - oh, yeah

02:55:314 (91) - k here cuz vocals makes sense with how you're using k on vocals d reflects the major change in guitar and the vocal pitch

03:11:129 (1) - dont think spinner fadeout is a particularly good effect lol. better to just end it on the guitar hit.. it's definitely long enough for a spinner to be fine

[oni]
00:01:336 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - i think kk dd kk works better cuz then u higlight the different drums with the ds hey, sure

00:08:836 (28,29,30) - weird to have D here instead of K considering other 2 are K. how about kkddK hmm yeah it was meant to be mapped to the guitar but I see ur point

00:11:608 - seems way 2 loud 2 ignore yeah whatever I guess lmao

00:50:901 (259) - same as on inner they're just too faint to dedicate that much of the map to

01:00:357 (318,319) - k d makes more sense here with the drums huh? there's a snare and an unusual cymbal on 319

01:52:428 (579) - K? for cymbal would be too much, then I'd have to make 01:53:285 (580) - K and the rest of the cymbals in this section K
(same on others)

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Here comes da BN.

[General]

02:18:156 - Omit the first barline on the red tick, the measure line shouldn't exist there. And check aimod errors, you have plenty of them. yeah

[Inner Oni]

1. 00:23:849 - I think you can add a don here to start the rhythm on the hi-hat sound. Sounds pretty good if you ask me. also good for the background melody
2. 00:55:643 (347,348) - I recommend kats on these two due to the high-pitched cymbals. the guitar stands out more and these d's help emphasize 00:56:132 (351) -
3. 01:14:637 - Since you are following music mostly, 3 1/4 2 1/2 like kdd k d kdd k d or something like that works better until 01:15:697 - this spot. Seems a bit unneccessarily overmapped now. changed to kkd k ddkkd k since the ddkkd is in the music
4. 01:26:866 - I recommend don on this and 01:27:192 - kat on this because of the actual sounds on them. The 2nd one has snare while the 1st one has a slightly lower tom sound on it. agreeable
5. 01:29:311 - The triplet seems a bit random compared to the rest of the structure, consider going for full 1/2 there. me too
6. 01:32:409 - You can remove this one as well since there is not a drum sound on it. Optional though, because fits with the break afterwards. removed anyways
7. 01:40:228 - This requires a triplet since your focus is on guitar. It's not correctly snapped but the intention was 1/4 clearly. this is just a held guitar note, not 3 defined notes like the others
8. 01:46:121 - 01:46:549 - Add dons here to keep the focus on guitar with mixed vocals. first yeah, second no cause no defined notes, also the drums come in and I wanna make that important
9. 01:48:156 (702) - I guess kat works here better, since the sound is snare. Or, you can use DON.
10. 02:14:728 - I recommend don on this, the sound is different and there is no snare sound like others. 02:13:871 (792) - this is the sound I map k's to, it happens every 2 beats
11. 02:17:406 - This inherited point is unsnapped which makes the SV change non-smooth. Actually something is wrong with the whole SV change, all of the inherited points are shifted. Correct the snappings on them because I guess they have float values now. they've always been poopy float values ( mean when you're me and use 0.0075 changes you would hope so)
12. 02:36:741 - Why did you use 50% volume there? Sudden drop is not good I guess, since the drums are on equal volume. that's supposed to be 02:37:230 - here I guess
13. 03:08:698 - Please merge the stream thank you oh there is a kick there

Good diff, enjoyed it a lot!

[Oni]

1. 00:15:045 - Well I recommend emphasizing the snare like you did on Inner Oni, because this way it seems a bit underemphasized right now. This is for all occurences. changed
2. 02:04:442 - I think between Inner and this, this needs to be a bit simpler. Try removing 02:04:585 (625) - this one. removed both for simplicity
3. 02:07:656 - 02:14:513 - Considering your earlies usages, the 1/6 is missing there. However, I suggest deleting the other 1/6 and making them a bit simpler.
4. 02:16:871 - Green point snapping issues mentioned in Inner Oni. (This might be general so I'm gonna skip this later.)
5. 02:59:893 - I think you should match the structure with the 2nd kiai at 01:05:915 - this spot. Two triplets will solve the problem.
   
   everything else changed as well

[Ayyri's Muzukashii]

00:27:600 - I think you can add a don here. The kick sound is enough to add one.
00:48:306 - I don't support this finisher, there is not a special crash cymbal or a prominent change on it. 00:53:524 - Same on this one. 00:58:741 - 01:01:350 - These too.
01:37:871 - I kinda disagree with the SV usage here. It's not because the decrease but the BPM change seems undetectable at that spot. I think you should decrease the SV suddenly like Nifty's diffs.
01:48:156 - DON fits better since KAT has a reverb sound on it.
02:44:078 (624,626) - Ctrl + g on these to emphasize the snare sounds.

response: https://i.imgur.com/qpmGj2z.png

[Futsuu]

1. 01:28:903 (11,12) - You can swap these to emphasize the snare. Did something like this
2. 01:48:155 (60) - I think DON suits better there, as mentioned in Inner Oni.
3. 02:41:143 - I think you can delete this to differentiate with 02:43:589 - this part, since the latter has a strong drum attack on it.
   
   Accepted alll

[Kantan]

1. 00:14:393 - I think you should make the rhythm much more simpler there because of two issues: Until the verse part there is no 3/1 break which is too intense for a beginner. So, I recommend 00:15:045 (20,21) - deleting these two and 00:15:697 - adding a kat here. I think you'll understand the structure with this change so make the other sections similiar. Applied to all similar sections
2. 00:17:980 - I don't hear a sound that is prominent enough to map the triplet again. Deleting this will be good.
3. 00:24:828 - I think the verse should be less intense, because it's Kantan and you need simpler rhythms on this. 1/1 usage seems too much, consider reducing.
4. 01:07:219 - Delete this note to put a break, it's too continuously mapped.
5. 02:23:698 - I recommend kat on this due to the snare on it.
   
   Accepted all, also simplified some other sections.

Overall, I think Kantan can be simplified even further, since some of the rhythms are actually hard. Besides that, I think the mapset is promising.

Call me back when you fix the issues. fosho

Stefan wrote:

[General]
02:18:156 - Doubt the barline is necessary to have, enable the omit barline thingy. this was only on ayyri's diff rip

[Muzukashii]
00:30:860 (126,127,128,129,130,131,132,133) - What about dk d kdd? Rhythm feels more defined and has a good mix of improvisation and follow to the song.

ayyri response

[Futsuu]
00:39:827 (95,96,97,98,99) - that's not a part that feels okay to map so dense in a Futsuu. Song is relatively weaker than other parts, remove 00:40:317 (98) - . removed
01:04:284 (166) - could move to 01:04:936 - to emphasize vocals than bgm. the only vocal at that part is the singer breathing in, which I don't think needs to be mapped. Those two k's map a very prominent cymbal in the music as well.

[Kantan]
00:49:936 - add a note here to work corresponding to Futsuu's combo chain at this part.
00:50:263 (85,86) - may be switched after the addition. added d so it's ok
01:00:371 - another don note for the same reason like 00:49:936 - .
01:03:632 - might add a don note here as well to support the vocals more.
02:37:067 (113) - don sounds better to me, it differs it better from 02:36:415 (111,112) - . accepted this and all above

Taikocracy wrote:

what in tarnation is the spread between the kantan and futsuu

just by going a few seconds into the modding assistant, the kantan and futsuu do not spread very well with each other at all, almost immediately at 00:14:393 the spread goes haywire:


as you can see you're plotting mainly 2/1 in the kantan and then jumping immediately to 1/2 in the futsuu, mainly stuff at 00:19:610 - is the main reason for such a huge gap between these two diffs, one diff has a 4/1 break and the other has... some neat 1/1 breaks. i highly recommend adding some notes to the kantan and deleting a few from the futsuu to fit the spread, because it's not very good right now

as ari and i have already said, i won't be rebubbling until Stefan comes by because apparently he's going to, so mind as well get some extra input.

if you need more pictures or extra help hmu i think it's self explanatory bc all the other issues are basically congruent to the one in the picture, but i'm happy to help more if needed

Mancuso's Edit: Go to the new forum design if you want to edit your post. Double post removed.