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17:38 Nepuri: Heyhey!
17:38 Genjuro: hi
17:38 *Nepuri is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1431487 t+pazolite - Intro - Dockaaaahhhnnn!!]
17:38 Nepuri: Do you mind if i mod this per chat? :o
17:39 Genjuro: ehh
17:39 Genjuro: im kinda busy now
17:39 Nepuri: Oki
17:39 Genjuro: but if u can do NM then i guess i can stop what m doing for irc?
17:39 Nepuri: I wanted to NM
17:40 Nepuri: Sooo
17:41 Nepuri: First of all, the unrankable issues
17:41 Nepuri: lemme quote the wiki
17:42 Nepuri: The spread in the entire set is not even ata ll
17:42 Nepuri: *at all
17:42 Nepuri: Looking from the starrating itself
17:42 Nepuri: Where futsuu is 2,73 and muzukashii is 3,08
17:43 Nepuri: That is way too close
17:43 Genjuro: yeah i dont know how to deal with this..
17:43 Nepuri: Okay
17:43 Nepuri: one second
17:43 Nepuri: Before i tell you something
17:43 Nepuri: Its usually a good idea to have a difficulty below 2* in your spread
17:43 Genjuro: oh
17:43 Nepuri: its not a must, but it was a thing you had to have
17:43 Nepuri: in the old ranking criteria
17:44 Genjuro: you mean i should make a kantan diff or just nerf futsuu
17:44 Nepuri: Let me look at the futsuu a bit
17:44 Nepuri: The futsuu is way too hard compared to what muzukashii has to offer
17:44 Nepuri: first of all
17:45 Genjuro: you mean these right 00:54:969 (129,130,131,132,133,134,135,136,137) -
17:45 Nepuri: exactly
17:45 Nepuri: have you looked at the guidelines for a futsuu?
17:45 Nepuri: also in the wiki
17:46 Genjuro: no i dont know whats this D:
17:46 Nepuri: ill send a screenshot one second
17:46 Genjuro: https://osu.ppy.sh/help/wiki/Ranking_Criteria/osu!taiko you mean this page?
17:46 Nepuri: yesyes
17:47 Nepuri: "1/2 patterns should not be longer than seven notes"
17:47 Genjuro: oh
17:47 Nepuri: Even though its not a must that they have to be seven notes or smaller, but its a good idea
17:47 Nepuri: dont break the guidelines unless you have a lot of experience ^^
17:47 Genjuro: ok so ill nerf these
17:47 Nepuri: and if you nerf these
17:47 Genjuro: 00:43:302 - everything before that is ok?
17:48 Nepuri: not really
17:48 Nepuri: ill come to that in a sec
17:48 Genjuro: okay
17:48 Nepuri: the 2nd half in the futsuu has no 2/1 breaks whatsoever
17:49 Nepuri: players need these rests every once in a while
17:49 Nepuri: "You should insert at least 1 rest moment that is 2/1 or longer after 16/1 to 20/1 of continuous mapping"
17:49 Genjuro: 2/1 means 2 white lines right?
17:49 Nepuri: yes
17:50 Genjuro: ok i see, i will do that but i dont know where it's fitting
17:50 Nepuri: before a downbeat is usually a good place to do so (downbeat = big white tick)
17:51 Genjuro: ok so from what im seeing, will have to remap this
17:51 Nepuri: You will most likely have to
17:51 Genjuro: cause it is really bad now i mean idk
17:51 Nepuri: Its okay, just take a look at futsuus from other sets, and keep a closer eye on the guidelines
17:52 Genjuro: ok i will not use more than 7 notes in a row and make space for rest
17:52 Genjuro: but what should i keep in mind for the rest of the map
17:53 Nepuri: Dont make it too hard
17:53 Nepuri: and make it fit the music, preferably the melody
17:53 Nepuri: Dont make silent parts in the music harder than intense parts in the music
17:53 Nepuri: Stick to some guidelines
17:53 Nepuri: thats all
17:53 Nepuri: if you want to go safe
17:54 Nepuri: A diff can always be easier than the guidelines provided, but never harder than its guidelines
17:54 Genjuro: ok so im remaping this lets go to muzu diff ;D
17:54 Genjuro: ill try to make it just below 2 stars i guess
17:54 Nepuri: and another tip
17:55 Nepuri: dont trust starrating
17:55 Nepuri: its kind of broken and lies a lot
17:55 Nepuri: look at other futsuus
17:56 Nepuri: and youll get a general direction
17:56 Nepuri: ok now
17:56 *Nepuri is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1431486 t+pazolite - Intro - Dockaaaahhhnnn!! [Muzukashii]]
17:56 Nepuri: This muzukashii probably has to be nerfed too
17:56 Nepuri: I would almost consider it as hard as an oni
17:57 Genjuro: i agree
17:57 Genjuro: the thing is
17:57 Nepuri: hmmm?
17:57 Genjuro: i dont know why its hard
17:57 Nepuri: it is hard because:
17:57 Nepuri: it has long 1/2 chains with lots of 1/4 in them
17:57 Nepuri: thats all
17:57 Genjuro: i see
17:57 Nepuri: you can reduce the density of 1/2 and the amount of 1/4
17:57 Nepuri: And if you wanna do that
17:58 Nepuri: you can also make the map less boring
17:58 Genjuro: if i only use 1/4 in kiai is it ok?
17:58 Nepuri: yes, id suggest so
17:58 Genjuro: or on the section before that as well since its similar
17:58 Genjuro: but i guess less than kiai
17:58 Nepuri: the kiai is almost always the hardest point of the map
18:01 Nepuri: also
18:01 Nepuri: dont try to copypaste in taiko ^^
18:01 Nepuri: the one pattern you always use in kiai and before kiai is repetitive
18:02 Genjuro: you're talking about muzu right?
18:02 Nepuri: yesi
18:03 Genjuro: you are right
18:03 Genjuro: it feels the same
18:03 Nepuri: one second
18:03 Nepuri: for example
18:03 Nepuri: 00:44:303 (25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37) - this pattern
18:03 Nepuri: and
18:03 Nepuri: 00:46:969 (41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53) -
18:03 Nepuri: is almost the same
18:04 Nepuri: but the music behind it is quite differend
18:04 Nepuri: so you can try to change it up when the music is a bit different ^^
18:04 Genjuro: i only hear difference here 00:48:135 (50,51,52,53) - so i only change that
18:05 Genjuro: actually
18:05 Genjuro: idk maybe i just dont have much ideas for patterns
18:05 Nepuri: i think your way of mapping is a bit too strict
18:05 Nepuri: you dont always have to have everything the same
18:05 Nepuri: sometimes you can have 1 1/4 triplet in a combo, sometimes 0 1/4 triplets
18:06 Nepuri: it doesnt really matter aslong as it sounds good ^^
18:06 Genjuro: ok i see
18:07 Genjuro: so for this diff, i should nerf the density, make kiai harder than the previous section and make patterns more diverse
18:07 Nepuri: well
18:07 Nepuri: dont make the kiai harder
18:07 Nepuri: but make the part before kiai easier
18:07 Nepuri: other than that, about right
18:08 Genjuro: yeah i dont mean harder than it is now
18:08 Genjuro: just balance it better with the rest of the map
18:08 Nepuri: exactly
18:08 Nepuri: youre on the right track
18:08 Genjuro: also the rest if the map you think is ok?
18:09 Genjuro: i mean its slow part for the first half
18:09 Genjuro: 00:37:969 - here is where it starts to get more intense
18:09 Nepuri: its okay ^^
18:09 Genjuro: alright!
18:09 Nepuri: we will only be talking about the intense part because thats where the problems are :D
18:09 Nepuri: or most of them
18:10 Nepuri: okayy
18:10 *Nepuri is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1431487 t+pazolite - Intro - Dockaaaahhhnnn!! [Oni]]
18:10 Nepuri: in the oni
18:11 Nepuri: you already have the kiai harder than the part before
18:11 Nepuri: thats good already
18:12 Genjuro: imo the oni diff is ok but it doesnt feel very different from the inner oni
18:12 Genjuro: but it probaly has issues that i dont see
18:12 Nepuri: the oni diff is a bit better but you can polish it a lot
18:12 Nepuri: it should still have some 1/1 breaks every so often
18:12 Genjuro: just one question first, its ok to map this like this 00:11:344 (1) - ?
18:13 Genjuro: cause its snapped on 1/8 tick
18:13 Nepuri: I am not a timing expert, sorry
18:13 Nepuri: but your offset is a bit early...
18:14 Genjuro: ohhhhh
18:14 Nepuri: i would have the offset on 11.311 ^^
18:14 Nepuri: if i were you
18:14 Genjuro: i got the timing settings from already ranked map
18:14 Nepuri: link?
18:14 *Genjuro is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/997648 t+pazolite - Intro - Dockaaaahhhnnn!!]
18:15 Nepuri: did you take the exact same Mp3?
18:15 Genjuro: yeah
18:15 Genjuro: but my offset is off by 1ms oops
18:15 Genjuro: im dumb ;D
18:15 Genjuro: but this is easy to fix so its ok
18:16 Nepuri: honestly
18:16 Nepuri: that map has a little weird offest
18:16 Nepuri: use what i wrote you
18:18 Nepuri: by the way
18:18 Nepuri: 00:39:811 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - this is way too hard
18:18 Genjuro: ok i changed it
18:18 Nepuri: its in a very silent section of the song
18:19 Nepuri: the oni feels a bit repetitive
18:19 Nepuri: but my main concern is something different
18:19 Nepuri: 00:59:310 - from this point on in the kiai
18:19 Nepuri: you can hear snare drums building up the music
18:19 Nepuri: but the map is the same like the other half
18:20 Genjuro: so i should make this gradually harder
18:20 Nepuri: exactly
18:20 Nepuri: and also
18:20 Nepuri: a little bonus
18:20 Nepuri: 00:59:144 - you can remove this note
18:20 Nepuri: So the start of the buildup stands out a bit because there is a break before
18:20 Nepuri: and a break helps with the spread too
18:21 Genjuro: ok i will do that
18:23 Nepuri: Oooo
18:23 Nepuri: The inner is actually pretty well done
18:23 Genjuro: really? thanks :D
18:23 Nepuri: compared to the rest of the diffs its really good
18:23 Nepuri: differences in the song are mapped to ^^
18:23 Nepuri: i think ill skip it for now
18:24 Nepuri: i only wanted to clear out the biggest problems
18:25 Genjuro: so i just need to fix other diffs to make the spread more balanced
18:25 Nepuri: and deal with the problems inside of the diffs
18:25 Nepuri: and map a kantan too x)
18:25 Genjuro: i dont know how to make kantan but i will try
18:25 Nepuri: (Dont forget to look at the guidelines in the wiki while redesigning the diffs)
18:25 Nepuri: look at the wiki :3
18:26 Genjuro: thanks for the help man :D
18:26 Nepuri: No problem
18:26 Nepuri: After you redesigned it, you might wanna get some more mods/opinions on it
18:27 Nepuri: I post log now?
18:27 Genjuro: yeah it will have issues probably
18:27 Nepuri: But thats okay ^^
18:27 Genjuro: sure
18:27 Nepuri: oki one sec