This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Sunday, 27 May 2018 at 5:07:42 PM

Artist: SOSOSO (Tsukui Kazuhito)
Title: Try for Keeps (Album Edition) (feat. Hatsune Miku)
Tags: SOSOSO-P そそそP REBOOT Vocaloid Techno Pop jidai wa itsudemo loop suru ha Toorun12
BPM: 122
Filesize: 5138kb
Play Time: 03:58
Difficulties Available:

1. Futsuu (1.95 stars, 474 notes)
2. Inner Oni (4.34 stars, 1318 notes)
3. Kantan (1.11 stars, 223 notes)
4. Oni (3.42 stars, 1107 notes)
5. Toorun12's Muzukashii (2.65 stars, 743 notes)

Download: SOSOSO (Tsukui Kazuhito) - Try for Keeps (Album Edition) (feat. Hatsune Miku)
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Thanks to Toorun12 for the Muzukashii.

heya! m4m time

[Inner Oni]
00:56:419 (314,315,316,317,318) - this part bothers me a little, while it's impressively consistent with 00:56:419 (314,315,316,317,318) - later on, the lyric here is "gennjitsu" as opposed to "bakari", it's fine overall but "u" being represented by a sharp kat feels weird

01:47:445 (112) - these being the only points in the diff with dkdkd patterns feels a little bit out of place imo. Changing them to kddkkkd would fit with 01:43:879 (90) - and feel a lot nicer to play for me at least. (repeats at 01:55:683 (163) - , 03:45:847 (168) - and 03:53:716 (216) - )

02:07:978 (235,236,237,238) - change to kddk? Don't have much of a reason aside from me thinking dd ddkk makes for pretty poor flow :/

02:55:068 (1) - change to k? I think it'd incorporate some important drums while still following the vocal pattern.

03:08:592 - add note? feels a bit odd to stop using the 2-3-4 pattern pairs right at the end of the rap part.

Diff was really nice so I had to resort to mostly subjective stuff or I'd have nothing to write

[Oni]
02:07:978 (235,236,237,238) - change to kddk? Don't have much of a reason aside from me thinking dd ddkk makes for pretty poor flow :/

03:08:715 (67) - move to 03:08:592 - or make a kd dk at 03:08:101 - ? Again it feels a little weird to suddenly jump away from mapping to the rap.

stop making good diffs :^(

[Miss Kobayashi's Muzukashii]
00:30:478 (89) - move to 00:30:355 - for consistency with the rest of the kiai? (also the 2nd kiai, 01:42:773 - )

00:30:723 (90) - change to d for the "suru"? would look nice and consistent if you also did it at 01:42:773 (57,58,59,60,61,62,63) -

01:17:937 (262) - change to k? Think it'd flow better and not stick out as much since you havent used any "xxx o o o x" in this part.

01:59:002 (120) - k for kick emphasis and some late "ji" emphasis? Would also be consistent with 02:14:739 (182) - .
02:54:084 (90) - ^
03:41:297 (84) - ^

very nice diff

[Futsuu]
00:06:871 - add note? sounds cool going into the drop and makes the density increase at 00:14:248 - more predictable.

00:23:346 (38,39,40) - delete these? Might make it a bit anticlimactic but I really think this kiai could use at least 1 break point.

00:54:084 (105) - delete for another rest spot?

01:34:904 (182) - change to k to emphasise the "ha"?

01:36:133 (182,183,184) - same as 00:23:346 (38,39,40)

02:56:051 (2) - change to k to fit the "d k" pattern in most of this part?

03:02:937 (20) - delete for another rest spot?

03:09:822 (37) - same as 02:56:051 (2) -?

03:34:289 (35,36,37) - same as 01:36:133 (182,183,184)

incredibly nice diff but a bit dense at parts

[Kantan]
00:07:363 - same as my suggestion in futsuu, would sound nice and make the density increase less sudden.

00:22:609 (21,22) - delete these? could also use a break point here :S same as futsuu.

00:54:576 (51,52) - same as futsuu, could use another break point here.

01:35:396 (85,86) - same as 00:22:609 (21,22), although it might be on the edge of acceptable since there are no finishers at the start of the kiai this time.

01:51:133 (104,105) - if you dont add any breaks in the kiai you definitely need one somewhere in this part though.

03:02:445 (39) - delete for a nice rest spot?

03:07:855 (45) - move to 03:07:363 - ? Weird change of rhythm here. Move 03:08:838 (46) - to 03:08:346 - if you apply so it doesn't end up looking even weirder lol.

03:33:429 (18,19) - delete for another pretty needed rest spot?

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Incredibly nice set taiko needs more low bpm!

Raphalge wrote:

heya! m4m time

[Inner Oni]
00:56:419 (314,315,316,317,318) - this part bothers me a little, while it's impressively consistent with 00:56:419 (314,315,316,317,318) - later on, the lyric here is "gennjitsu" as opposed to "bakari", it's fine overall but "u" being represented by a sharp kat feels weird

01:47:445 (112) - these being the only points in the diff with dkdkd patterns feels a little bit out of place imo. Changing them to kddkkkd would fit with 01:43:879 (90) - and feel a lot nicer to play for me at least. (repeats at 01:55:683 (163) - , 03:45:847 (168) - and 03:53:716 (216) - )

02:07:978 (235,236,237,238) - change to kddk? Don't have much of a reason aside from me thinking dd ddkk makes for pretty poor flow :/

02:55:068 (1) - change to k? I think it'd incorporate some important drums while still following the vocal pattern.

03:08:592 - add note? feels a bit odd to stop using the 2-3-4 pattern pairs right at the end of the rap part.

Diff was really nice so I had to resort to mostly subjective stuff or I'd have nothing to write

Applied all but the first, I want keep consistency with patterns, plus I think the pitch matches better.

[Oni]
02:07:978 (235,236,237,238) - change to kddk? Don't have much of a reason aside from me thinking dd ddkk makes for pretty poor flow :/

03:08:715 (67) - move to 03:08:592 - or make a kd dk at 03:08:101 - ? Again it feels a little weird to suddenly jump away from mapping to the rap.

stop making good diffs :^(

Applied both. Also made some changes to be consistent with changes in the Inner Oni.

[Futsuu]
00:06:871 - add note? sounds cool going into the drop and makes the density increase at 00:14:248 - more predictable. Feels a little out of place to me. No change here.

00:23:346 (38,39,40) - delete these? Might make it a bit anticlimactic but I really think this kiai could use at least 1 break point.

00:54:084 (105) - delete for another rest spot?

01:34:904 (182) - change to k to emphasise the "ha"?

01:36:133 (182,183,184) - same as 00:23:346 (38,39,40)

02:56:051 (2) - change to k to fit the "d k" pattern in most of this part?

03:02:937 (20) - delete for another rest spot?

03:09:822 (37) - same as 02:56:051 (2) -?

03:34:289 (35,36,37) - same as 01:36:133 (182,183,184)

incredibly nice diff but a bit dense at parts

I think the high density during the kiais is fine because of the low bpm, and since all but the last have gaps right before and after them. Applied the rest.

[Kantan]
00:07:363 - same as my suggestion in futsuu, would sound nice and make the density increase less sudden.

00:22:609 (21,22) - delete these? could also use a break point here :S same as futsuu.

00:54:576 (51,52) - same as futsuu, could use another break point here.

01:35:396 (85,86) - same as 00:22:609 (21,22), although it might be on the edge of acceptable since there are no finishers at the start of the kiai this time.

01:51:133 (104,105) - if you dont add any breaks in the kiai you definitely need one somewhere in this part though.

03:02:445 (39) - delete for a nice rest spot?

03:07:855 (45) - move to 03:07:363 - ? Weird change of rhythm here. Move 03:08:838 (46) - to 03:08:346 - if you apply so it doesn't end up looking even weirder lol.

03:33:429 (18,19) - delete for another pretty needed rest spot?

No changes for the Kantan, I honestly think that the density is fine and the gaps I have a plentiful enough because of the low bpm

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Incredibly nice set taiko needs more low bpm!

Thanks for the mod and the kind words I'll get your mod done within a few days.

Thank you very much for your modding.
I am grateful !

Raphalge wrote:

heya! m4m time


[Miss Kobayashi's Muzukashii]
00:30:478 (89) - move to 00:30:355 - for consistency with the rest of the kiai? (also the 2nd kiai, 01:42:773 - )
What a nice suggestion! Indeed, I don't consider the consistency of 1st kiai & 2nd kiai. Applied.
00:30:723 (90) - change to d for the "suru"? would look nice and consistent if you also did it at 01:42:773 (57,58,59,60,61,62,63) -
thanks. if I heard that, I thought it is better to change to d (front part) rather than to change to k (later part). and I did so.

01:17:937 (262) - change to k? Think it'd flow better and not stick out as much since you havent used any "xxx o o o x" in this part.
Yes. Perhaps it is because the change-point of "k to d" exists at a position different from "Bar line". Thanks.
01:59:002 (120) - k for kick emphasis and some late "ji" emphasis? Would also be consistent with 02:14:739 (182) - .
I didn't know you say so.... that's right. Applied.
02:54:084 (90) - ^
03:41:297 (84) - ^
For Muzukashii player, I think, is better at beating "d_d_k_d_ddd_K" rather than beating "d_d_d_d_ddd_K", because of my old experience. The factor of this is that It is difficult for them to beat them while counting the numbers of d.
Easy to recognize "d_d" and "d_ddd", but not easy about "d_d_d_d_ddd".
and I want to set a easy part in front, and a difficult one in later. Therefore, I selected no change about this.


very nice diff

Heya, m4m here






1/6 on 122bpm is interesting

Marm wrote:

Heya, m4m here

inner

1. 00:22:855 (117) - change to kat? would keep the kd/dk doubles consistency Sure
2. 00:38:101 (207) - kat to keep up the consistency with 00:32:199 (173) - , 00:34:166 (185) - and 00:36:133 (195) - . Might also be interesting changing 00:37:486 (203,204,205,206) - to kddd or kkdd if you don't want to have 3 consecutive kats from 00:37:855 - . That is if you agree on the suggestion. Same for 00:45:969 - and similar parts at 02:00:478 - . The pitch seems to decrease for this measure, so I'll keep this as a don to reflect that.
3. 00:50:887 (282) - or 00:51:010 (283) - to kat to follow the change in the vocal pitch? same for 00:58:755 (329) - or 00:58:878 (330) - and the section from 02:22:117 - . Changed 282 and the corresponding note in the other patterns.
4. 00:54:576 (303,304,305,306,307) - kddkd for the same reason as above. the d on the last note would also fit with the drums. Sure.
5. maybe moving 03:09:084 (81) - to 03:08:961 - would fit better the structure of doubles you're following. I think I prefer this as is.
   
   I like the part after the kiais :p

oni

1. 00:38:101 (173) - same suggestion as inner. also applies on similar parts Same reasoning as in Inner.
   
   This one looks fine for me.

futsuu

1. from 01:23:101 - to kiai I think you can add some notes to make the note spread between futsuu and muzu better. (or nerf muzu)
2. 01:44:740 - I think this section has similar problems with the note spread between this and muzu.
3. Mm, I don't know if this is me but maybe you guys should talk a bit and decide where to nerf/buff on futsuu and muzu because it seems a bit uneven. Futsuu seems too close to kantan and muzu seems too close to oni, with a gap between them.
   
   There may be a few individual sections where there's a pretty large disparity between the densities of the two diffs, but I think overall the spread is okay. I might try to get some more opinions about this.
   
   I also made a couple of changes here in the kiais for more consistency.
   
   If the spread problem isn't actually a problem then this looks fine tbh.

kantan

• 
  seems good too o/

1/6 on 122bpm is interesting

Thank you for the mod <3

What a usuful modding this is!

Marm wrote:

Heya, m4m here

muzu

1. 01:09:084 (229) - maybe this can be deleted since no other diff has a note here.
   Muzukashii mainly consists of some patterns, which is different from other diffs. Probably it's no problem
2. 01:28:510 - might be better to add a note here since there's one on futsuu.
   You're strictly right....!
3. on the sections after the kiais, more precisely at 01:46:707 - , 01:50:642 - and similar parts, you use different patterns with different snappings for equal parts. You follow the drums on the first one and the vocals on the second one for example. It might be better to choose one and stick with it to keep the consistency through the map.
   Acutually, first I did. but I felt more monotonony / boredness than the sense of unity. this time I'll keep my thought.
4. 02:18:182 (191) - maybe change to kat? same goes for 02:21:379 (198) - . I think that kdk feels more dynamic on calm parts. Also, on the second one it fits with the vocals.
   idk but it was already changed to kats....!
5. change 03:13:756 (5) -, 03:16:585 (11) - and 03:17:937 (15) - to don for the dynamic and vocals too
   from Interlude to the last, I want to add don gradually, from "no don & all kats" state. so I changed 03:17:937 (15) and keep rest.
   
   

M4Mありがとうございます
PC使える時間が限られていて完成するまでに時間がかかってしまったことをお詫びします。
普通に難しいそうな日本語使ってしまったのでわからないことがあれば聞いてください
Good Luck

komasy wrote:

M4Mありがとうございます

Mod

Don = d │ Kat = k │ Big Don = D │ Big Kat = K

[General]
Inner Oni　OD5->5.5？
[Kantan]

1. 01:31:461 - add d. サビだからもっと密度上げるべきではないでしょうか、現状だとAメロ00:46:707 - の方が密度高くてバランスが悪いような気がします
2. 01:39:330 - ＾最初のkiaiに合わせるようにこれは今のままでいいと思います。
3. 01:43:265 (93,94) - or 01:45:723 (96) - delete. 休憩が少なすぎるので4/1の休憩を用意すべきです 確かにguidelinesにそんなことは書いていますが、こんなに低bpmにならこれは大丈夫だと思います。
4. 01:51:133 (103,104) - 音程が全然違うのでctrl+gしてkdkにして差異を表現したほうがいいと思います。ボーカルをちゃんと聴くと「な」と「い」の音程は一応同じだと思います。そうは言っても、ここは01:46:707 - と結構な違いがありますからこれをkkkにしました。
5. 01:59:986 - をkに変えて01:57:527 - に移動。　ここ休符にしてdの五連にする意味を見出せなかったです、素直に音に従う方が自然だと思いました。02:00:478 - で4/1の休憩ありますし… 01:57:527 - にkを入れるだけにします。
6. 03:08:838 - Kantanで6連って見たことないですし短くした方が賢明だと思いました。ノーツラインは長いしそこそこリズムも複雑なので6連はKantan適正者的には優しくないです。03:10:805 - 消すとしたらここですかね 低bpmだからこれは大丈夫です。
7. 03:19:166 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - 全部Dはとても違和感…　プレイしていて変化が全く変化がなく面白くないので面白さを見出すためにいくつかKに変更するべきです ちょっと危ないパターンになってたけどそうしました。
   これからの提案はその前と同じ提案と同じようにしました。
8. 03:29:494 - 一番と同様add d
9. 03:37:363 - ^
10. 03:41:298 (27,28) - 03:43:756 (30) - どちらかdelete, 4/1の休憩が必要です
11. 03:49:166 (37,38) - 前述のとおり同様にctrl+g?
12. 03:58:019 - kに変えて03:55:560 - に移動。一番と同様です

[Futsuu]

1. 00:51:133 - change to d? ボーカルが前のkdkよりも低くなっているので
2. 00:59:002 - same^
3. 01:47:445 (214,215) - ctrl+gすることでボーカルの音程をフォローするのはどうですか？今のままは十分にボーからの音程に合わせていると思います。
4. 01:51:379 (221,222) - SAME^
5. 01:55:314 (228,229) - ^
6. 03:32:937 (32,33) - ctrl+g? ボーカルの音程を考えるとこちらの方が合うように思いました
7. 03:45:478 (64,65) - same same
8. 03:49:412 (71,72) - same same
9. 03:53:347 (78,79) - same same
   Good Diff imo どうも
   残りはapplied。

[Oni]

1. 00:22:732 (99,100) - 多分ctrl+gしたほうがボーカルの音程に合うのでベターだと思います d dd dはあまり気に入らないからノーチェンジ。
2. 00:30:232 - dk kd change to kd dk　同じ理由です ok
3. 00:48:920 - change to dk and 00:50:887 - kd + 00:51:133 - delete　ボーカルの同じリズムをキープしつつ、色を逆にすることで音程の差異をしっかりと表現できるうえ、プレイヤーも予測しやすくなります。そんなにマッピングをボーカルと合わせると叩くのはつまらなくて、感じ悪くなると思います。だから、これはノーチェンジ。
4. 00:53:101 - 　move to 00:52:978 - 　ボーカルのリズムは揃えた方がいいかなと思います。
5. 00:58:756 - ここも同じくkdを置いて00:59:002 - delete. 理由は前述のとおりです
6. 01:00:723 (279,280) - これはctrl+gしてパターンをそろえるべきです ok
7. 01:01:215 (281) - delete?　kのような目立つ音はなく、不自然な感じがしました このノートがないとなんか空っぽって感じになります。ノーチェンジ。
8. 01:03:428 - からkiaiスタートまで、Innerと配置がほとんど一緒なような…　Spreadを考えると、notesをいくつか消したり易化するべきじゃないかなと思います。コンボ数を見てもOniはもう少し削れるはずです こんな地帯ならInnerと大体同じでも問題ないです。もうかなり簡単だからノートを消したらつまらなくなると思います。
9. 01:35:519 (32,33) - 最初の方にした提案を同じくパターンを添えるためctrl+g ok
10. 01:50:396 - 03:48:428 - kが4連続していて01:50:150 - と01:50:642 - のボーカルの高音が強調出来ていないのでdに変更するといいと思います。この提案を考えながらちょっと違うようにしました。
11. 01:52:363 - 03:50:396 - ここも同じくkが連続しすぎていて味気ないのでdに変更…？でも今回はもっと高い音程だから今のままでいいと思います。
12. 02:17:691 - Innerと同様です 前に言った通りボーカルマッピングはあまり好きじゃないからこれは今のままで残しておきます。
13. 02:19:658 - ^
14. 02:20:150 - ^
15. 02:21:502 - ^
16. 02:27:281 - 一番と同様で、kdをおいて02:27:527 - をdelete
17. 02:29:248 (292,293) - 一番のと同様で、ctrl+g
18. 02:29:740 - 一番と同様で、delete?
19. 02:31:953 - からkiaiスタートまで、一番と同様の内容です。
20. 02:59:002 - 高い声が聞こえるのでchange to k ok
21. 03:17:445 - ボーカルのリズムをフォローしないとここだけリズムがほかの部分と違うので違和感が大きいです。03:17:199 - からk_kd_dk_がいいと思います。またInnerとのSpreadや休憩を考慮して03:18:183 (6,7,8) - をdeleteすることを推奨します。
22. 03:20:887 - 03:22:855 - Innerと同様の理由でchange to d
23. 03:33:182 - 03:41:051 - ここのボーカルのリズムも03:17:199 - のやつと同じでkd dkにしないと違和感が大きいです。

[Inner Oni]

1. 00:22:978 - move to 00:22:732 - and 00:23:101 - add note.　このパートではボーカルをメインで拾っているのにここだけ違ったので、違和感を覚えました。これは00:30:601 - 01:35:519 - 01:43:387 - 03:33:551 - 03:41:420 - でも同様です。
2. 00:48:551 - 01:00:355 - 02:28:879 - このパターンはボーカルにフィットしていないと思います。dkddkやdkkdkの方がより自然です
3. 01:57:281 (172,173) - ctrl+g　kに一定のリズムを保たせることで一貫性が生まれます。
4. 02:17:691 - これは消してボーカルをフォローして直感的なプレイ感を表現する方がベターかなと思いました。
5. 02:19:658 - move to 02:19:535 - 同じ理由です
6. 02:20:150 - ddk or kdk　02:16:215 (283,284,285) - と同じような配色にしないと違和感が大きいです k d k。おににもそうしました。
7. 02:21:502 - change to k and 02:21:625 - 02:21:871 - delete　これはさっきのと同じ理由です。02:22:117 - からのバスドラが入ってくるところを強調することもできます。
8. 03:17:199 - d_k_d_k_ change to k_kd_dk_　なんでここだけボーカルのリズムを無視しているのかが良くわかりませんでした…　このパートではボーカルにフォローした配置をしているのでここだけ違うとなると違和感が大きいです
9. 03:20:887 - 03:22:855 - ここはdに変えてバスドラムをフォローしたほうが周りの音取りを考えると自然です。次のDを強調するためにkにしているのかもしれませんが、前のボーカルパートとは違ってドラム音の主張が強いのでしっかりフォローしたほうがプレイ感は良いと思います。
10. 03:25:437 - 03:25:928 - これはkに変えた方が良いと思います。1/6の始点と前の音符の色を同じにしてしまうとプレイヤーはリズムの変わり目を意識しづらく、プレイ感の低下につながります。現状だと叩きにくいのと、低音があまりない所でdが多いので、この提案をしました。

ボーカルよりリズムに合わせてノートを入れたんだからボーカルにに関することは今のままで残しておきます。残りはapplied。

PC使える時間が限られていて完成するまでに時間がかかってしまったことをお詫びします。
普通に難しいそうな日本語使ってしまったのでわからないことがあれば聞いてください
Good Luck

ありがとう！できるだけ早くkomasyさんのmodを完成します。

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komasy wrote:

[Muzukashii]

• 
  全体的にまんべんなく1/4を使っているのが気になりました。Muzuでこの曲の様な低テンポで長い曲では1/4を使わないパートとかあってもいいんじゃないかな～とは思います。使える配色も限られていて繰り返しになってしまうので。またボーカルや裏の音が偶数だったりするので所々1/4の二打とかも混ぜても面白んじゃないかな～とは思います。そのあたりは無限のパターンがありますのでお任せいたします

1. 00:22:486 (61,62) - ここ全部dだとなんとなく悲しいのでkに変えませんか？
2. 00:30:355 (89) - 上とのパターン化のためk
   上記二つを加味して62番だけkに変えたよ
3. 00:22:855 - と00:30:723 - で1/4の一が違うのが気になりました。無理にリズムパターンを崩す必要はないように思ったのでどちらかに揃えてみてはどうでしょうか
   1/4を使わないパートを作るために，ここでの1/4を消去し，1/2として統一を図ったよ
4. 01:35:273 (30,31) - 最初の提案と同様
5. 01:43:142 - ^
   3回存在するサビのために，徐々に変化することを再現したい，そのため，ここはこのままでいこうと思う！
6. 01:44:740 - ここから間奏まで、dddが多すぎるかな～と思いました。
   Muzuってddk,kkdでも結構難しいと思われるらしいから，あまりにも極端になりすぎてしまった
   このくらい遅い曲なら，kkd,kkdを使っても許されると考えたほうがよいと考えて見直したいと思う
7. 01:44:986 - delete ここはボーカルのリズムが1/2から1/1に代わっているので、初めから1/2のパターンは合わないと思います。また同じような密度が続くのを防ぐことができます。kiaiも終わってますし密度を下げるのにちょうどよいのではないでしょうか(ここからの提案は 03:42:773 - と同様なので変えた部分はこちらも同じように変更してください)
   すばらしい！d k ddkの1/1主体リズムに変更することができた
8. 01:45:232 - 合わせてchange to k
9. 01:45:969 (69,70) - ボーカルの差異を考えるとctrl+gした方が合うと思いました
   前後が大きく変わったので，それに合わせて変更したよ
10. 01:46:953 - ここではなく01:47:445 - に音符が欲しい感。提案を受ける場合01:48:182 - をkにして01:48:428 - delete?
11. 01:47:199 - は01:47:076 - に動かすのはどうですか？01:51:010 - ここが青線にあるので
    付点(3/4)をあまり多用したくないので，前半はそのとおり変更し，後半は保留とした！
12. 01:52:609 - からの4小節も上の提案と同じ感じに統一しましょう
    OK，ただし，ラストだけ(3/4)を多めに使うように変えた
13. 02:07:609 (154,155,156) - ここはkkkの方がマンネリ化を防げそう
    まったく気が付かなかったけど，その意見が圧倒的に正しい
14. 02:20:150 (195) - は02:22:117 - からのバスドラが入ってくるのを考えるとkの方が合いそうです
    その通りだ，自分が2小節区切りでしか譜面の判断をしていなかったことを後悔した
15. 02:31:215 (1,2) - move to 02:31:584 - リズムの多様化＆ドラムの音合わせ
    kkkを1/2だけ後ろに持っていくということ？だと思ったので，そのようにしたよ
16. 03:17:691 - move to 03:17:568 - + 03:17:937 - change to k + 03:18:182 - delete?　直前と同じくボーカルのリズムを正確に拾いつつ03:19:166 - からの音圧の変化に対応するためにdは使わない方針という感じです
    リズム難なパートになってしまうと，後半に行く前に一回切らなければいけないと思う．そのため，ボーカルのリズムを正確に拾う代わりに，dの直前に大きな休憩を作成することにした
17. 03:33:305 (52,53) - これも一番等と同じでk?
    52だけ変更して，前半との整合性を大切にしたよ
18. 03:37:363 - 1/4の位置は03:37:855 - からの方がMuzuプレイヤー的には1/4の場所のパターンが読めて叩きやすいと思います。例えば03:27:035 - からでは、3拍目に1/4というのがそろっているのでいい感じだと思ったのでこちらもそのような感じにして欲しい感じです。でも現状のパターンだと03:39:822 - には1/4が置けない状況なのでここのノーツラインでは2拍目に1/4の3打を置くといった感じでもいいと思います。
    非常に参考になった．最後の部分は1/4を入れずに，手前だけ揃えることにした．
19. 03:41:297 (84,85) - 同様にk　特にここは音の変化のなさに対して配色の偏りが気になります

ありがとう
ここに，天才への敬意を示す！

Some suggestions for Toorun's diff:

[Toorun12's Muzukashii]

最初のkiaiにもう少し1/4パターンを入れて下さい。kiaiそれぞれに密度を増やしてるだと分かりますが、kiai地帯は曲の最も強い部分のはずだからこうして00:31:953 - のような他の地帯よりシンプルなパターンを使うのはなんだかおかしいです。


最後のkiaiの1/2以上のパターンは長すぎます。もう少し休憩を設けて、そのようなパターンを縮めて下さい。


低bpmだからこれは大問題ではないけど、ranking guidelinesを従うように3/2以上の休憩をもっと設ければいいです。


01:03:428 - 01:28:019 - この地帯はちょっと混乱しています。マッピングスタイルは色々で、ドラム、メロディー、ボーカルを同時にフォローしてるみたいで、プレイにくくなります。もっとシンプルなパターンにすればいいと思います。02:31:953 -の同じリズムのある地帯にも同じ問題があります。


03:12:650 - にkを入れればいいです。この地帯の他の同じリズムのところにそうしましたみたいです。


同じリズムのあるけどmappingは大違う地帯は多少あります。00:31:953 - と02:00:478 - 、そして01:44:740 - と03:42:773 - アンド 01:03:428 - と02:31:953 - の地帯を見て下さい。それから最初のkiaiの前半と後半も同じような問題はあります。

Aloda wrote:

Some suggestions for Toorun's diff:

[Toorun12's Muzukashii]
I read this and convinced.
I referred to all of your suggestions!

最初のkiaiにもう少し1/4パターンを入れて下さい。kiaiそれぞれに密度を増やしてるだと分かりますが、kiai地帯は曲の最も強い部分のはずだからこうして00:31:953 - のような他の地帯よりシンプルなパターンを使うのはなんだかおかしいです。
now I expressed a sense of unity in all kiai times. Only a possibility that said "that it is too similar" in there.

最後のkiaiの1/2以上のパターンは長すぎます。もう少し休憩を設けて、そのようなパターンを縮めて下さい。
I thought maps should be difficult as much as the last. Considering Muzukashii players, I realize that I was a devil anymore.

低bpmだからこれは大問題ではないけど、ranking guidelinesを従うように3/2以上の休憩をもっと設ければいいです。
two new break points added.


01:03:428 - 01:28:019 - この地帯はちょっと混乱しています。マッピングスタイルは色々で、ドラム、メロディー、ボーカルを同時にフォローしてるみたいで、プレイにくくなります。もっとシンプルなパターンにすればいいと思います。02:31:953 -の同じリズムのある地帯にも同じ問題があります。
I chose to value vocals the most. If my ears crearly working, this is just a mapping for vocals.

03:12:650 - にkを入れればいいです。この地帯の他の同じリズムのところにそうしましたみたいです。
It is just my thought that "not to put k that point". Despite this short section, I thought it should be a gradually change, but perhaps its too short to make a change.


同じリズムのあるけどmappingは大違う地帯は多少あります。00:31:953 - と02:00:478 - 、そして01:44:740 - と03:42:773 - アンド 01:03:428 - と02:31:953 - の地帯を見て下さい。それから最初のkiaiの前半と後半も同じような問題はあります。
I'll be careful about the sense of unity. But I devised not to be a copy machine from mapper...

I need to express my gratitude for your kindness and more than yours, because I'm Japanese.
I will give advice to the two diffs.

-Kantan-

01:28:019 - k here. The volume of the song changes greatly.

01:47:199 - k and 01:47:691 - d
I thought kdk was better than kkd. For Futsuu and Muzukashii you take melodies like "k_kdk" "k__k__d_k", but in Kantan I think kkk are going better.
In order to accept the proposal, it is desirable to change "01: 55: 068 and 01: 55: 560" as well.

01:59:986 (112) - In order to emphasize "ru" of melody pronunciation, I think that it is important to erase this note.


03:26:543 (8) - I felt this scene is somewhat intense, because 1/4 7 times has not appeared so far, and it is 1/4 9 times that first appeared. I recommend that you delete this note.

03:43:756 - It is the last part, I thought that you should add a note (d or k). Although it is outside Kiai Time, I personally think something is necessary here.
I will do the same advice to the following two points.
03:47:691 -
03:51:625 -


- Futsuu -


00:23:101 (36) - I thought kdkdd or ddkkd was more appropriate than kdkkd. If you feel uncomfortable starting this 5 combos from d, I think that it is one strategy to convert 00:22:609 's note to k.

01:29:002 (167) - At the point where the song changes, k to k feels slightly unnatural. it sounds nice to change from k___K to k_d_K


02:36:871 (313) - Since the melody's pitch rises, dkk and ddk felt more natural than kdk. The same situation is in the following point.
02:44:740 (324) -


02:53:593 (336) - I thought that the form of ddd + kkk is better than twice repeating of kkk. It will not be monotonous.


03:11:051 (40) - 　When there is Notes near Finish, the power of Finish falls down slightly. In my opinion, destroying or being weak the vol of this notes is better.


03:50:642 (73) - It was the starting point of the measure. d was more appropriate than k.

If I can overcome this week's research presentation, I'll be sure to write advice Oni and InOni!

Toorun12 wrote:

I need to express my gratitude for your kindness and more than yours, because I'm Japanese.
I will give advice to the two diffs.

-Kantan-

01:28:019 - k here. The volume of the song changes greatly.

ボーカルをフォローしていないからここにノートを入れない方はいいです。

01:47:199 - k and 01:47:691 - d
I thought kdk was better than kkd. For Futsuu and Muzukashii you take melodies like "k_kdk" "k__k__d_k", but in Kantan I think kkk are going better.
In order to accept the proposal, it is desirable to change "01: 55: 068 and 01: 55: 560" as well.

01:47:691 - の低ピッチの合わせるようにkkdの方は相応しいと思います。

01:59:986 (112) - In order to emphasize "ru" of melody pronunciation, I think that it is important to erase this note.

この前に書いたようボーカルをフォローしていないからこれを今のままで残して置きます。

03:26:543 (8) - I felt this scene is somewhat intense, because 1/4 7 times has not appeared so far, and it is 1/4 9 times that first appeared. I recommend that you delete this note.

これはちょっと難しい件ですが、ここは曲の最も強い一部だから最も難しいパターンを使いました。こんなに低bpmだからこんなパターンは問題ないと思います。

03:43:756 - It is the last part, I thought that you should add a note (d or k). Although it is outside Kiai Time, I personally think something is necessary here.
I will do the same advice to the following two points.
03:47:691 -
03:51:625 -

4/1の休憩をちゃんと設けたいからこの空白を残して置きました。

- Futsuu -


00:23:101 (36) - I thought kdkdd or ddkkd was more appropriate than kdkkd. If you feel uncomfortable starting this 5 combos from d, I think that it is one strategy to convert 00:22:609 's note to k.

kdkddにしました。

01:29:002 (167) - At the point where the song changes, k to k feels slightly unnatural. it sounds nice to change from k___K to k_d_K

01:27:035 (165) - をkにして、01:28:510 (166) - をdにしました。

02:36:871 (313) - Since the melody's pitch rises, dkk and ddk felt more natural than kdk. The same situation is in the following point.
02:44:740 (324) -

両方をdkkにしました。

02:53:593 (336) - I thought that the form of ddd + kkk is better than twice repeating of kkk. It will not be monotonous.

ピッチは大分同じだから同じパターンを使う方はいいと思います。

03:11:051 (40) - 　When there is Notes near Finish, the power of Finish falls down slightly. In my opinion, destroying or being weak the vol of this notes is better.

それはそうかましれませんが、フローを考えるとこのパターンは今のままで残せばいいと思います。

03:50:642 (73) - It was the starting point of the measure. d was more appropriate than k.

この地帯は01:44:740 - のよりピッチは高いってことを強調したいからこうしてkをよく入れたかったんです。

If I can overcome this week's research presentation, I'll be sure to write advice Oni and InOni!

modをありがとうございました！

It is the rest of modding!
This beatmap was very sophisticated in DETAIL !

--Oni--

00:15:478 (63) - I feel that kkd-kkd-kkd is not good, it will be better with changing kkd to ddk.
d_kkd_kkd_ddk ...

00:51:010　k is somewhat slow, isn't it?
ddk_d_k to ddk_dk ? or,
00:49:043 (222) - を ddk_dk__ to ddk_d_k
In brief, two rhythms are mixed.
(1) ***_**__....
(2) ***_*_*_....
in my opinion, it is better to unify to (1).

01:43:879 (71) - We recommend kddk than kkdd.
Changes of k to d, should be in a more dividable place.

01:59:494 (151) - change ddd_k_kkd → ddddk____ ! Finish after it is very-well conspicuous!

03:23:101 (17) - dkkkkkd is impressive.
However, I feel the position of d is unnatural.
I thought about such designs, how is that?
1) dkk_k_kkdkk_k_kk
2) d_kkkkkkd_kkkkkk
3) d_kk_kkkd_kk_kkk


03:26:543 (43) - I think that k is better than d.
But this has individual differences.


--Inner Oni--
00:38:715 (210) - I think that dkddk looks better than kkdkd. (d can be avoided from being present in the backbeat. In addition, the player can understand the changes of k to d more easily...!)

00:54:577 (303) - We recommend using the same kdddk as Oni. I liked kdddk. kdddk quite suit this song.

02:15:601 - This rhythm is not like this song.
I think I should join with other parts.
now) d_d_kd_dkdk_kdk_
1 ) d_d_kd_dkddk_dk_
2 ) d_d_kd_dk_dk__k_
3 ) d_d_kk_dkkdk_kkk


02:16:215 (283) - The density is a bit low. In addition, it is similar to Oni. I think Inner Oni needs to add notes a little more.

03:27:035 (52) - "Ta ta ka" three pronunciations must be picked up! My suggestion is, d_dkk_d_kkdk .... → d_dkd_d_kddk ....
There are similar situations in the following places ↓
03:29:002 (63) -
03:34:904 (101) -
03:36:871 (112) -

Toorun12 wrote:

It is the rest of modding!
This beatmap was very sophisticated in DETAIL !

--Oni--

00:15:478 (63) - I feel that kkd-kkd-kkd is not good, it will be better with changing kkd to ddk.
d_kkd_kkd_ddk ...

個人的にkkDの方はいいと思いますし、その方はInnerに使ったパターンに合わせてあります。

00:51:010　k is somewhat slow, isn't it?
ddk_d_k to ddk_dk ? or,
00:49:043 (222) - を ddk_dk__ to ddk_d_k
In brief, two rhythms are mixed.
(1) ***_**__....
(2) ***_*_*_....
in my opinion, it is better to unify to (1).

00:51:010 - にボーカルをフォローするのは何だか直感ではない叩き方になります。詳しく説明できないけど今のままはいいと思います。

01:43:879 (71) - We recommend kddk than kkdd.
Changes of k to d, should be in a more dividable place.

Ok.

01:59:494 (151) - change ddd_k_kkd → ddddk____ ! Finish after it is very-well conspicuous!

このfinisherは大丈夫ですよ！

03:23:101 (17) - dkkkkkd is impressive.
However, I feel the position of d is unnatural.
I thought about such designs, how is that?
1) dkk_k_kkdkk_k_kk
2) d_kkkkkkd_kkkkkk
3) d_kk_kkkd_kk_kkk

ddkkkkdにしました。

03:26:543 (43) - I think that k is better than d.
But this has individual differences.

このパターンを完全に変えました (ddddkkkkddddkkkkdに)。

--Inner Oni--
00:38:715 (210) - I think that dkddk looks better than kkdkd. (d can be avoided from being present in the backbeat. In addition, the player can understand the changes of k to d more easily...!)

Ok.

00:54:577 (303) - We recommend using the same kdddk as Oni. I liked kdddk. kdddk quite suit this song.

Okay.

02:15:601 - This rhythm is not like this song.
I think I should join with other parts.
now) d_d_kd_dkdk_kdk_
1 ) d_d_kd_dkddk_dk_
2 ) d_d_kd_dk_dk__k_
3 ) d_d_kk_dkkdk_kkk

今のままはぴったり曲に合わせてると思いますけど...

02:16:215 (283) - The density is a bit low. In addition, it is similar to Oni. I think Inner Oni needs to add notes a little more.

ノートをもっと入れればこれはovermappedになるでしょう。

03:27:035 (52) - "Ta ta ka" three pronunciations must be picked up! My suggestion is, d_dkk_d_kkdk .... → d_dkd_d_kddk ....
There are similar situations in the following places ↓
03:29:002 (63) -
03:34:904 (101) -
03:36:871 (112) -

これはもうピッチにぴったり似てると思います。

今度こそありがとうございました。

Oni: I suggest removing 03:26:174 (40) - to split the ddddkkkk... stream. Although the BPM is low, the stream pattern goes off from the concept of having simple 5plet and doublet pattern.


resnap notes in the map and call me back

O.K.

Stefan wrote:

Oni: I suggest removing 03:26:174 (40) - to split the ddddkkkk... stream. Although the BPM is low, the stream pattern goes off from the concept of having simple 5plet and doublet pattern.


resnap notes in the map and call me back

I applied this btw

Beautiful Vocal improv with drums!

Qualified!

Talked to Aloda about the lower difficulties. Despite the song BPM being relatively low, some of the patterns used are deemed a bit demanding so it would be better to slightly simplify them.

• [Kantan]

1. 03:23:101 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - nine 1/1 pattern is in fact quite harsh especially when seven of them are finishes. You may remove 03:24:576 (4) - so the upcoming five big dons could be properly emphasized.

• [Toorun12's Muzukashii]

1. 00:39:084 (110) - move to 00:38:101 - and delete 00:39:330 (111) - for a longer break after the kiai? The pattern chain is a bit lengthy from 00:08:346 - 01:02:445 - so a rest in between would be more appropriate.
2. 01:56:051 (98) - similar to ^ , you may remove this note for a 3/2 break and highlight the upcoming vocal. Then 01:56:789 (101) and 01:57:035 (102) - could be moved to 01:56:912 and 01:57:281 - to follow the vocals as you did in this session for consistency.

You may call me back after that~

Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:

Talked to Aloda about the lower difficulties. Despite the song BPM being relatively low, some of the patterns used are deemed a bit demanding so it would be better to slightly simplify them.

• [Kantan]

1. 03:23:101 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - nine 1/1 pattern is in fact quite harsh especially when seven of them are finishes. You may remove 03:24:576 (4) - so the upcoming five big dons could be properly emphasized.

Removed both 03:23:592 (2) - and 03:24:576 (4) - to revert this to how I originally had it.

• [Toorun12's Muzukashii]

1. 00:39:084 (110) - move to 00:38:101 - and delete 00:39:330 (111) - for a longer break after the kiai? The pattern chain is a bit lengthy from 00:08:346 - 01:02:445 - so a rest in between would be more appropriate.
2. 01:56:051 (98) - similar to ^ , you may remove this note for a 3/2 break and highlight the upcoming vocal. Then 01:56:789 (101) and 01:57:035 (102) - could be moved to 01:56:912 and 01:57:281 - to follow the vocals as you did in this session for consistency.

Both were applied.

You may call me back after that~

I also took the opportunity to add a tag. Thanks for the modding <3

Rechecked and confirmed with the changes.

Rebubbled~

Changes look neat!

Requalified!